[El Chinito loco]

China is huge so I don't see what the big deal is with guys jumping on this particular bandwagon. However, I see nationalism and ethnocentrism will eventually rear its head very soon. It's already starting in some hot spots but it hasn't reached a mainstream crescendo yet.

It's been a long time since anglo nations have seen any men flying over just to fuck anglo women so it's hard to understand this angst.

However, China will view it as an existential threat of sorts. They will circle wagons and put it all out in the media as foreigners looking to humiliate the han people again. They will use it as propaganda. The act of gaming will be recorded and put out there as evidence of imperialism and all sorts of stupid shit.

I don't care either way but I see these moves as pretty much par for the course in a geopolitical war.

[extracube]

(10-03-2014 02:19 PM)berserk Wrote:  

(10-03-2014 01:16 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

I'll just say one thing, and then I'll be on my way because I really don't think there's anything left to say.
......

it's getting pretty circlejerky over China, and it doesn't look like it will end any time soon. I'm out.

I appreciate other opinions on China and it would be detrimental to only get one side of the story, so please keep posting, it is appreciated.
..............
The thing is, the same could be said for field reports on most countries on this forum......

Berserk has said exactly what I was going to post about a day or two ago but didn't get around to -- I actually appreciate reading posts from users writing comments on each side of the fence and ironically, I felt that to a good extent they are probably both right. I really didn't see one "side" as being right and the other wrong. And like berserk said, not only is it more interesting to get an array of opinions (i.e. about beauty, or culture), it is detrimental as well.

Usually when I've been reading one user's or another's posts and opinions, it's more like "Ok I can see where he's going with this" rather than "this or that user has got him beat on that point." So, it's been good reading so far, guys.

[extracube]

(10-03-2014 02:50 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

......However, I see nationalism and ethnocentrism will eventually rear its head very soon. It's already starting in some hot spots but it hasn't reached a mainstream crescendo yet.

............
However, China will view it as an existential threat of sorts. They will circle wagons and put it all out in the media as foreigners looking to humiliate the han people again. They will use it as propaganda. The act of gaming will be recorded and put out there as evidence of imperialism and all sorts of stupid shit. ............

For example that ^^. That's some heavy stuff, and perhaps a possibility, and if it did happen, Chinito would be "right." Still, another person might have a take on it or way of viewing such an incident(s), and it's all good. Thanks.

[extracube]

(10-03-2014 11:35 AM)GyopoPlayboy Wrote:  

...a great resource is The Economist, which has a treasure trove of knowledge regarding China there....

Is this the section you are talking about in particular, or is it another. Any past issues? I recall a few years ago browsing some articles at random bookstores from Economist, and I thought I recall they were rather critical, but it's been several years. I'll browse their online section but I'm not sure which ones are key, yet.

[Global_Cocksman]

(10-03-2014 02:50 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

China is huge so I don't see what the big deal is with guys jumping on this particular bandwagon. However, I see nationalism and ethnocentrism will eventually rear its head very soon. It's already starting in some hot spots but it hasn't reached a mainstream crescendo yet.

It's been a long time since anglo nations have seen any men flying over just to fuck anglo women so it's hard to understand this angst.

However, China will view it as an existential threat of sorts. They will circle wagons and put it all out in the media as foreigners looking to humiliate the han people again. They will use it as propaganda. The act of gaming will be recorded and put out there as evidence of imperialism and all sorts of stupid shit.

They sure don't act like it, when they have this giant billboard ad plastered all over Chinese cities.

[Hornblower]

(10-02-2014 10:14 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 09:36 PM)Hornblower Wrote:  

I'm an ABC of full-blooded eastern Chinese descent myself. I don't speak Mandarin fluently but my native language is Shanghainese. Real Shanghai people have a strong level of contempt for people from northern Jiangsu and northern Anhui. Shanghainese people and other eastern Chinese even have a equivalent of the n-word for those people that is still considered to be extremely derogatory and offensive. And real Shanghainese often look down upon other eastern Chinese, which I think is hypocritical since they all share the same ancestors, speak dialects of the same language and share a similar regional culture. Only a tiny minority of 'native' Shanghainese are descended from the original inhabitants. Yes, there is a gender imbalance but a lot of women don't want anything to do with poorer men from the inland provinces. I tend to prefer eastern Chinese women because of cultural and aesthetic reasons, but to a large extent I'm put off by the Chinese culture in general. I've heard of stories where Chinese girls demand their boyfriends do ridiculous things. I'm not exactly sure how well I do in China since it's been a while since I lived there.

That might be your problem right there. Everyone knows Shanghainese are the more spoiled rotten Chinese women in China. I posted this in my last post:

Quote:

If anything, women might get a little more spoiled. How spoiled? Anybody's guess. One could say that they are very spoiled compared to 10 years ago. Can they get hyper spoiled like an American woman? I think it will be spoiled, but once again spoiled "Chinese Style". They will take selfies, want LV bags, and throw fits more. The Fu Er Dai (Second Generation Rich) are all like this now. That said, some of them still serve their men food and sex him or allow him to fuck other girls on the side. I know some like this now. How much worse can they get from that? I only turned some of these women down just for having a whiny voice or immaturity, I honestly did not care too much that they were rich. They were not anywhere near as bad as an American woman. They are still very loyal. Some that means alot more to me than anything else because American women stab people in the back too much and cheat. They are quick to tell the police you did something to them and hide behind daddy govt. Chinese women have no idea what that concept even means because you can never do that in China.

Even if they are spoiled, they are still very loyal and make decent LTRs and wives. Here is the trick to it though. Stay in your lane. Don't chase Ferraris, if you cannot handle them. If a BMW 3 class is something you can handle, that is still a good one. Get a chick that you can grow old with. A younger one is one you can mold and if you choose a sheng nu, get one that if she is spoiled, it's a spoiledness that means nothing to you.

My fatherinlaw tells my wife that she is so spoiled all the time after meeting me. To me she isn't spoiled at all. I still understand where he is coming from though because compared to how she was brought up, she lives like a queen. The values are still there though, and hammered in at that. If Chinese people, especially the women are stubborn about lots of things, use that to your advantage! Get one whose stubbornness is a sheer benefit to you.

Either do that or expand your horizons brother and date non Shanghainese. What's wrong with the surrounding area's women?

When I mean spoiled women, I mean women like this:

Southern Chinese women are generally not my type physically speaking. Their faces are often too round and their noses can be quite flat. I prefer women similar to my phenotype. If outside of Shanghai, then Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces even Anhui, Henan, Fujian and Northern China if I had to stretch it.

[Rawmeo]

My Asian girlfriend scored 47 on this evaluation grid, I guess she's not so bad after all.

[Papi Rico]

Major props for this Kai, +1

I'm currently in China and your insights are making a lot of sense right about now. I've got a scenario I didn't see covered here or elsewhere on the forum. A rich university girl just invited me to a sauna, and said we can "spend the night there eating and doing whatever we want."

What exactly goes down in a Chinese sauna?

[TravelerKai]

(10-25-2014 08:27 AM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

Major props for this Kai, +1

I'm currently in China and your insights are making a lot of sense right about now. I've got a scenario I didn't see covered here or elsewhere on the forum. A rich university girl just invited me to a sauna, and said we can "spend the night there eating and doing whatever we want."

What exactly goes down in a Chinese sauna?

Interesting.

A Chinese Sauna is probably in a Chinese "Bath House". Bath Houses come in a few types. They are all different. Some are extremely upscale and nice. Some are just cozy with too many people inside. Get my drift?

1. Ones with xiaojie for men
2. Ones for family or everyone and no xiaojie
3. Ones for family or everyone and still has xiaojie

Also never think a massage person that will even get the crack of your ass is a xiaojie either. They just massage everything.

This sounds like something a rich girl would suggest for fun. They always like doing weird dates or anything that is just different. We Westerners do well with that usually because we are more romantic and can come up with quirky date ideas they cannot come up with.

I would not pull alot of kino stuff inside that place unless you are alone in the rooms and no one else is around. Create sexual tension and intrigue with body language and words if possible. Goofy stuff kills Chinese women. shifting your eyebrows up and down and following up with winks, makes em wet. If they separate you guys inside then relax and enjoy. I would not buy a xiaojie inside if I were you. That could backfire if she checks on you or sees the bill....like that 14 year old boy whose mom found out he lost his virginity in one, although his dad did not mind paying the bill...

[Chewbacon]

(09-30-2014 01:34 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Ok lets just rate the girls in these pics, 1-10

Pic 1: 6
Pic 2: Oh god...
Pic 3: OH GOD...

[Chewbacon]

(10-04-2014 09:56 PM)Hornblower Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 10:14 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-01-2014 09:36 PM)Hornblower Wrote:  

I'm an ABC of full-blooded eastern Chinese descent myself. I don't speak Mandarin fluently but my native language is Shanghainese. Real Shanghai people have a strong level of contempt for people from northern Jiangsu and northern Anhui. Shanghainese people and other eastern Chinese even have a equivalent of the n-word for those people that is still considered to be extremely derogatory and offensive. And real Shanghainese often look down upon other eastern Chinese, which I think is hypocritical since they all share the same ancestors, speak dialects of the same language and share a similar regional culture. Only a tiny minority of 'native' Shanghainese are descended from the original inhabitants. Yes, there is a gender imbalance but a lot of women don't want anything to do with poorer men from the inland provinces. I tend to prefer eastern Chinese women because of cultural and aesthetic reasons, but to a large extent I'm put off by the Chinese culture in general. I've heard of stories where Chinese girls demand their boyfriends do ridiculous things. I'm not exactly sure how well I do in China since it's been a while since I lived there.

That might be your problem right there. Everyone knows Shanghainese are the more spoiled rotten Chinese women in China. I posted this in my last post:

Quote:

If anything, women might get a little more spoiled. How spoiled? Anybody's guess. One could say that they are very spoiled compared to 10 years ago. Can they get hyper spoiled like an American woman? I think it will be spoiled, but once again spoiled "Chinese Style". They will take selfies, want LV bags, and throw fits more. The Fu Er Dai (Second Generation Rich) are all like this now. That said, some of them still serve their men food and sex him or allow him to fuck other girls on the side. I know some like this now. How much worse can they get from that? I only turned some of these women down just for having a whiny voice or immaturity, I honestly did not care too much that they were rich. They were not anywhere near as bad as an American woman. They are still very loyal. Some that means alot more to me than anything else because American women stab people in the back too much and cheat. They are quick to tell the police you did something to them and hide behind daddy govt. Chinese women have no idea what that concept even means because you can never do that in China.

Even if they are spoiled, they are still very loyal and make decent LTRs and wives. Here is the trick to it though. Stay in your lane. Don't chase Ferraris, if you cannot handle them. If a BMW 3 class is something you can handle, that is still a good one. Get a chick that you can grow old with. A younger one is one you can mold and if you choose a sheng nu, get one that if she is spoiled, it's a spoiledness that means nothing to you.

My fatherinlaw tells my wife that she is so spoiled all the time after meeting me. To me she isn't spoiled at all. I still understand where he is coming from though because compared to how she was brought up, she lives like a queen. The values are still there though, and hammered in at that. If Chinese people, especially the women are stubborn about lots of things, use that to your advantage! Get one whose stubbornness is a sheer benefit to you.

Either do that or expand your horizons brother and date non Shanghainese. What's wrong with the surrounding area's women?

When I mean spoiled women, I mean women like this:

Southern Chinese women are generally not my type physically speaking. Their faces are often too round and their noses can be quite flat. I prefer women similar to my phenotype. If outside of Shanghai, then [b]Jiangsu and Zhejiang provinces even Anhui, Henan, Fujian and Northern China if I had to stretch it.
[/b]

That is still a shit ton of people - this would include major cities like Nanjing, Suzhou, and Hangzhou. I think you should be fine. And yeah, sure, stereotypically there might be phenotype differences, but I'm sure you will find plenty who fit your phenotype preferences even if they aren't native Jiangnan people.

As for Chinese girls being spoiled - yes, true. But as with all women, the rule is the same - any woman is capable of being a bitch if you let her. If you don't, and you do it tactfully, she will bend to your will. See, western girls are a bit harder to maintain hand with because their shit tests are more verbal, more psychological, and more within the parameters of plausibility ie. flirting with another guy in front of you, asking you stereotypically difficult questions. They are not radically unexpected but they can be grating and require you to be always on alert mode. With Chinese girls, my general impression has been that their tactics so childish, so unreasonable, and so batshit out of this world that you almost have to just laugh when it is thrown at you. My experience has been that when they pull a stunt like this, if you simply dismiss it as not even possible within your frame of reality, they will back down hard. As with the general saying here, the beta men in any society create the women in that society. Chinese women are spoiled like children because the betas around them spoil them like children. They are enabled to request crazy shit, but on the flip side, your shit test resistance bar is much lower.

[Sidney Crosby]

Chinese girls aren't my first pick, but I want to destroy all these girls from the first post... besides the 3rd from the left and right, They would still get porked though.

[Global Entry]

Are we going to dump another good (very) thread into the "what do you think is hot" hamster wheel conversation - we're gonna start rating girls from every location and make RVF Travel forum into a mindless (and pointless) "Hot or Not."

If you like to eat from this part of the buffet, please, grab a plate. If not, there's plenty to choose from elsewhere. Enjoy, but don't spit on the dishes here.

[Old Fritz]

When I finally start a family I will definitely give Chinese women an attempt.

[Travesty]

Have had two experiences with Chinese born girls, one that moved here for a master's degree and stayed the other a business owner Couchsurfing (24yo) from Guangzhou both mid 7's. Though the second one has a stellar personality and cute as a button she was indeed on Couchsurfing and decided to stay with me a lone male and cheated on her boyfriend back home of 3 months which does not speak to much of their loyalty lol. She is a business owner though so those girls in general are to be avoided.

I really like Chinese girls' personalities. You can feel they give attraction easily if they are into you. You also get the sense they want to be on the same team as you. They aren't about themselves. They want to be your partner which I like. They also are goofy and silly and like to have fun.

I have heard from Asia that Chinese and Filipinas make the best LTR material and I definitely believe after my two experiences with Chinese girls. My experience not dating, but just observing Vietnamese, Korean, and Thai born chicks in America is they are a bit more emotional and crazy and don't veil their craving of status as well as it seems more classy Chinese girls.

[Mentavious]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/06/company-of...r-5051689/

Quote:

A list of the unusual bonuses handed out by big Chinese firms this Chinese New Year included a night with the adult film star ‘Julia’, who has shown off skills that might well make the night unforgettable in multiple porn films released in China.

Has anyone seen her stuff?

[TravelerKai]

(02-06-2015 02:06 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/06/company-of...r-5051689/

Quote:

A list of the unusual bonuses handed out by big Chinese firms this Chinese New Year included a night with the adult film star ‘Julia’, who has shown off skills that might well make the night unforgettable in multiple porn films released in China.

Has anyone seen her stuff?

Me personally, no idea. Just another hot Japanese AV star. I am terrible at remembering their names and I don't collect porn anymore either, so I really would not know.

I know from first hand accounts just how nice it can be to work for a Chinese company as a man. They buy you xiaojies, handjobs, KTV girls, spa trips (which include happy endings), etc. Bonus time is usually cash, but I'm sure the same dudes that told me what they have gotten, would probably take a stab at the porn star. I think most would probably take that car though, if they have a place to park it at their apartment. Car + apartment = you can finally get married, once you hit 28-35 as a man in China. All decent cars are expensive as fuck in China.

A porsche means you can easily get a 8-10 type of chick or a modest 5-7 that does not give a shit what time you come home and where your dick has been because your boss orders you to party with them. No Chinese woman will tolerate a xiaosan though. Xiaojie? Just don't talk about it. Er nai? Maybe. Xiao san? Hell no. A car like a porsche is a bonafide poosy wagon. In China or anywhere for that matter. With that can you can get alot of "problems."

There are quite a few high quality girls that do not like the rich Chinese guy lifestyle, and the idea of their man running around town with his dick out because his bosses demand it, pisses them off. If you check out the online dating sites, you see rich or high quality (doctor, lawyer, managers, etc.) middle aged women (29-50), that got sick of that shit. Alot of them figure a laowai would not be like that. They know all this shit is about the culture and they hate that part of the culture. Anyone interested in stealing away a high quality 24-27 year old that has a wild Chinese boyfriend like that, and you want to keep her long term-ish and not play around on her, you can easily set that up. It is not hard to do at all. Remember like I stated in my guide, alot of these dudes are their own worst enemies.

[Swordfish]

damn.

If this is the new benchmark for data sheets, I think I need more time before attempting one myself

[TravelerKai]

(02-09-2015 09:27 AM)Swordfish Wrote:  

damn.

If this is the new benchmark for data sheets, I think I need more time before attempting one myself

It's not. I took this out of what has been shopped around as a small book deal.

Look at other datasheet formats and layout alot more than the amount of content.

[Global Entry]

Little do they know, some of the lao-wai are quick learners of Chinese culture.

For the uninitiated you should explain the distinction between xiaojie, xiaosan and er nai.

(02-09-2015 08:07 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:06 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/06/company-of...r-5051689/

Quote:

A list of the unusual bonuses handed out by big Chinese firms this Chinese New Year included a night with the adult film star ‘Julia’, who has shown off skills that might well make the night unforgettable in multiple porn films released in China.

Has anyone seen her stuff?

Me personally, no idea. Just another hot Japanese AV star. I am terrible at remembering their names and I don't collect porn anymore either, so I really would not know.

I know from first hand accounts just how nice it can be to work for a Chinese company as a man. They buy you xiaojies, handjobs, KTV girls, spa trips (which include happy endings), etc. Bonus time is usually cash, but I'm sure the same dudes that told me what they have gotten, would probably take a stab at the porn star. I think most would probably take that car though, if they have a place to park it at their apartment. Car + apartment = you can finally get married, once you hit 28-35 as a man in China. All decent cars are expensive as fuck in China.

A porsche means you can easily get a 8-10 type of chick or a modest 5-7 that does not give a shit what time you come home and where your dick has been because your boss orders you to party with them. No Chinese woman will tolerate a xiaosan though. Xiaojie? Just don't talk about it. Er nai? Maybe. Xiao san? Hell no. A car like a porsche is a bonafide poosy wagon. In China or anywhere for that matter. With that can you can get alot of "problems."

There are quite a few high quality girls that do not like the rich Chinese guy lifestyle, and the idea of their man running around town with his dick out because his bosses demand it, pisses them off. If you check out the online dating sites, you see rich or high quality (doctor, lawyer, managers, etc.) middle aged women (29-50), that got sick of that shit. Alot of them figure a laowai would not be like that. They know all this shit is about the culture and they hate that part of the culture. Anyone interested in stealing away a high quality 24-27 year old that has a wild Chinese boyfriend like that, and you want to keep her long term-ish and not play around on her, you can easily set that up. It is not hard to do at all. Remember like I stated in my guide, alot of these dudes are their own worst enemies.

[TravelerKai]

(02-09-2015 11:00 AM)Global Entry Wrote:  

Little do they know, some of the lao-wai are quick learners of Chinese culture.

For the uninitiated you should explain the distinction between xiaojie, xiaosan and er nai.

(02-09-2015 08:07 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-06-2015 02:06 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/06/company-of...r-5051689/

Quote:

A list of the unusual bonuses handed out by big Chinese firms this Chinese New Year included a night with the adult film star ‘Julia’, who has shown off skills that might well make the night unforgettable in multiple porn films released in China.

Has anyone seen her stuff?

Me personally, no idea. Just another hot Japanese AV star. I am terrible at remembering their names and I don't collect porn anymore either, so I really would not know.

I know from first hand accounts just how nice it can be to work for a Chinese company as a man. They buy you xiaojies, handjobs, KTV girls, spa trips (which include happy endings), etc. Bonus time is usually cash, but I'm sure the same dudes that told me what they have gotten, would probably take a stab at the porn star. I think most would probably take that car though, if they have a place to park it at their apartment. Car + apartment = you can finally get married, once you hit 28-35 as a man in China. All decent cars are expensive as fuck in China.

A porsche means you can easily get a 8-10 type of chick or a modest 5-7 that does not give a shit what time you come home and where your dick has been because your boss orders you to party with them. No Chinese woman will tolerate a xiaosan though. Xiaojie? Just don't talk about it. Er nai? Maybe. Xiao san? Hell no. A car like a porsche is a bonafide poosy wagon. In China or anywhere for that matter. With that can you can get alot of "problems."

There are quite a few high quality girls that do not like the rich Chinese guy lifestyle, and the idea of their man running around town with his dick out because his bosses demand it, pisses them off. If you check out the online dating sites, you see rich or high quality (doctor, lawyer, managers, etc.) middle aged women (29-50), that got sick of that shit. Alot of them figure a laowai would not be like that. They know all this shit is about the culture and they hate that part of the culture. Anyone interested in stealing away a high quality 24-27 year old that has a wild Chinese boyfriend like that, and you want to keep her long term-ish and not play around on her, you can easily set that up. It is not hard to do at all. Remember like I stated in my guide, alot of these dudes are their own worst enemies.

Xiaojie = Prostitute. Literally means Little Miss, in English. Never ever call a woman xiaojie + <their last name> as if you in the West. You would get slapped or worse.

Er nai = Second wife. Er means two, nai means wife. Basically a mistress. fairly common thing in China for Chinese men of means or affluence. Sometimes the wife knows much about the other, more often they do not. The Chinese man is not going to ever divorce the first wife to go be with the second, so sometimes an er nai is not a serious threat to their social/economic standing.

Xiaosan = Literally means 3rd wheel. Usually a younger woman a Chinese guy is fucking and the younger girl is trying to steal the man from the wife. The xiaosan usually refuses to share the man and wants him all to herself and will demand money, time, cars, house, a baby, his salary, etc. Xiaosan's can be little tigers quite often being very high maintenance. Sometimes they are just a quiet alternative from a bitchy tiger wife, the man refuses to spend anymore time with. Anytime you see women fighting in public in melees of 2-10 women, 9 times out of 10 it is a xiaosan situation and the other times an ernai. It is common to see wives beating the shit out of a xiaosan with a gang of her friends/sisters, from time to time.

[samsamsam]

Maybe not the right place to put it, but I heard that China is offering a 10 year multiple entry visa. The fees are not crazy at the moment but someone mentioned that China is considering raising the fees for these 10 year multiple entry visas.

So if anyone was interested in getting one maybe you should act on it. Just passing what little I know along. Hope it helps someone.

[clever alias]

(02-25-2015 10:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Maybe not the right place to put it, but I heard that China is offering a 10 year multiple entry visa. The fees are not crazy at the moment but someone mentioned that China is considering raising the fees for these 10 year multiple entry visas.

So if anyone was interested in getting one maybe you should act on it. Just passing what little I know along. Hope it helps someone.

Only two things to note: If it's your first visa to China I don't think the 10 year option is available, and each individual stay is the same as before.

[Global Entry]

As i reported in the SZ thread, 10 year visas are indeed available. I'm going to apply for one shortly, and will post it up as a report of some kind afterwards.

(02-25-2015 10:28 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Maybe not the right place to put it, but I heard that China is offering a 10 year multiple entry visa. The fees are not crazy at the moment but someone mentioned that China is considering raising the fees for these 10 year multiple entry visas.

So if anyone was interested in getting one maybe you should act on it. Just passing what little I know along. Hope it helps someone.

[Suits]

(10-03-2014 01:16 PM)clever alias Wrote:  

....Tim Budong English teachers...