[TravelerKai]

(03-22-2017 12:57 AM)Baffled King Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 10:26 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 08:08 PM)Baffled King Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:59 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Apparently they only add guys that have been vetted or vouched for. BK seems to have met someone that met a solid forum member before. Maybe that is enough with your contributions. I could put in a word for you, but I cannot guarantee it. The nature of the forum's high profile issues with enemies means we all have to be alot more careful.

I've met tons of guys from the community and a few from Roosh. Please put me in contact or if they want to meet me first when I hit the ground in China I can do that. I have zero interest in drama or politics and I'm purely focused on having a good time and helping others have a good time.

Let me make a post to warn any others that think they want to join the private chat groups with the RVF Asia Crew in any capacity.

We are quite possibly the tightest knit group/faction on RVF. We watch each other's backs hardcore like hawks. We do not always agree on every little thing, but don't mistake that for discord in our ranks. If we pull in the rest of the Travel Crew in general, the bond is even stronger.

Do not fuck with us.

This poster wasted everyone's time and acted like a narcissistic 10 year old, insulting the forum, Roosh, and the Asia crew in particular. I honestly do not know why we bother with RSD guys here but it is not always exactly easy to spot them or notice them at first. This guy is hardly any different than that David Bond guy.

Anyway, don't waste our time and be respectful to RVFers off the forum otherwise, being ostracized will be the least of your worries. Furthermore, it also causes groups to become more invite only, making it much harder for new people to find new friends on the forum. Don't be a selfish jackass and ruin it for everyone else.

Are you trying to imply some sort of physical threat? LMAO

The laugh is actually on you. Almost no one is supporting you here. You have 3 datasheets and 4 rep points with two neutral rep points. That is the worst ratio I have ever seen of anyone in the history of RVF.

Even the recent cocky young kid in Bangkok banging everything in sight got 20 times more love than you did, even though he got banned for drunken posting.

You should go see a counselor for your NPD and go read this book:



It's a good book. Most CEOs have read it. It would even help with girls, if you truly cannot get over your disdain for other men.

Other than that, good luck to you.

[Transsimian]

(03-22-2017 06:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The laugh is actually on you. Almost no one is supporting you here. You have 3 datasheets and 4 rep points with two neutral rep points. That is the worst ratio I have ever seen of anyone in the history of RVF.

Even the recent cocky young kid in Bangkok banging everything in sight got 20 times more love than you did, even though he got banned for drunken posting.

Well, BlackUniform's thread was funny, and started a discussion about whether a burst of quantity over quality is worth it when you are young.

Baffled's threads seem highly exaggerated and full of bad info. They could actually hurt a beginner's game. I've left non-positive feedback to warn others.

[TravelerKai]

(03-22-2017 07:01 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:54 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The laugh is actually on you. Almost no one is supporting you here. You have 3 datasheets and 4 rep points with two neutral rep points. That is the worst ratio I have ever seen of anyone in the history of RVF.

Even the recent cocky young kid in Bangkok banging everything in sight got 20 times more love than you did, even though he got banned for drunken posting.

Well, BlackUniform's thread was funny, and started a discussion about whether a burst of quantity over quality is worth it when you are young.

Baffled's threads seem highly exaggerated and full of bad info. They could actually hurt a beginner's game. I've left non-positive feedback to warn others.

Yeah it was pretty funny to see some guys not see value in just getting mere bangs to solidify experience in dealing with women. That experience is invaluable when starting out.

A young man under 23 with zero game or a beginner just often times needs to get into the game first. A mere 5 out of 10 is more than adequate. They are not in any real position to bang high quality or get uppity and picky about women. Crawl before you walk, walk before you run. It's just life.

I got kids. It takes you aback whenever they are stumbling through very tiny movements and actions. I have to put my hands on their hands to guide their fingers around closing in on an object for a good grip. 3 months old or 2 years old. Doesn't matter. Humans learn through repetition and that can take a very long time to master.

Why did the karate master make Daniel paint the fence so much?

Going back to game, it is not good game to stubbornly insist on a facet of game no matter what. Insisting on nightgame in the worst nightgame country on earth (quite possibly), is possibly not game at all! It certainly is non-optimal game at the very least.

We gotta understand what game actually is in the first place. Game is taking what the woman or the environment gives you and making adjustments to work things in your favor.

Social Dynamics (aka Game), is not rigid. It's fluid. It's ever-evolving and changing.

It does not stop when you get a girlfriend, a promotion on the job, open a business, get married, lose a relative to death, birthing new children into the world, and certainly it does not stop when dealing with groups of people and being involved with politics.

Let's talk about mindset for a minute. Probably best suited for a thread in the Game subforum, but it's okay to chop it up here too within context.

You gotta ask yourself sometimes. What would Archie do? What would 20Nation do? What would Suits do? What would Beyond Borders do?

Let's say Archie goes to a nightclub in <insert country>. There is a long line. Do you think he is the type to just stand there quietly until it is his turn? He is very likely to start gathering intel and talking to whoever is receptive around him. He might find out about a party or an area where women might be hanging out, from others that are more interested in getting into the club so they can pop X and dance all night. He might even pull a chick out the line, on his way to that party, and go somewhere else more quiet for the night and skip out of the other party. A change of plans....

You will not see or hear Archie report: "Stood in line at this top club for 2 hours, got bored and left.

You gotta take what the situation gives you and make something out of it.

Not beating a dead horse, but going back to BK:

1. Wants models. Did he ever think about asking Suits, or myself to translate Chinese media to find out when the next modeling expo or event will be in Beijing or Shanghai? They hold shit like this all the time all over China. The Auto Shows got cracked down on, but there is other stuff. He could have then changed his trip time to target those.

Who knows, Suits maybe would have offered to wing with him to an event and assist with translating. His approaches if thinking with elite game tactics: Suits is his agent, here is my business card, I am a model. Want to see some of my work? Let me get your contact information. (Get their wechat). Work on them more until you get those bangs.

Sometimes determination is is own reward. Suits might not think about helping a guy like this, but if someone came up with an interesting plan, maybe he would change his mind and tag along to see how it goes. Maybe he might feel like he could learn a trick or two. People react to warm and positive energy, even other stone cold players.

2. Nightgame in China sucks.

Now this is something that plenty of us beat to death for years on RVF. The late great BadWolf was the first here to blast Chinese nightclubs as pure garbage. He is an elite dancer (in my opinion. He once sent me a vid of him dancing....) He loves to dance and has spent YEARS trying to get folks pumped up to dance with him in China, only to mostly fail. Others have chimed in on this for a long time. Shanghai and HK have better scenes than the rest of China and this is common knowledge here if you use the search feature first. Taiwan is supposedly leaps and bounds better, but that is not China. If you are not going to clubs in China, why not go to Tokyo or Seoul?

Does this mean nightgame in general is trash in China? Not exactly.

You can night game young people that hang out in certain areas in T1-T4 cities. Gotta watch out because sometimes they might be highschoolers, but university students have their spots, and 2-3 year college kids have spots as well. You can catch them going to snack places at night.

All this requires at least a little time though. You stay here or live here long enough and it becomes obvious. You still have to change your mentality and habits to bother trying things outside the box.

Also back to the club scenes. KTVs and club/bars are full of xiaojie or what I call, soft xiaojie (you can pay them for time, but not sex). Some are paid by the club and some are being pimped by someone with connections or stake interests in the venue. Some are gambling and playing cards at tables and smoking. Not all are like this and there are some foreigner style clubs/bars in Shanghai and HK, but the minute you see shit like this being explained on the forum, you gotta ask yourself:

* Can I build a strategy around this?
* Let me ask as many guys I can find on the forum and outside of it, what places they go and what alternatives they use to find action.
* Can I manipulate club promoters? Do they even have such a thing?
* I will need a backup plan in case nightclubs are terrible.
* Find another country nearby to nightclub in, since I only like nightclubs?

I was talking about this to another guy, and BK might even be one of those handful of guys that actually might do better back home, where a certain culture fits his lifestyle. Dan Bilzerian, regardless of whether he pays those bitches or not, has a lifestyle that would not add much, if anything to him, if he traveled to Asia. If he did, he is very likely to fly his instragram hoes to Asia with him.

You see it, in between dudes words, on the forum, especially guys that kill it hardcore in places like Los Angeles. Would guys like that get frustrated overseas? I think some of them would. Can you imagine Christian McQueen chopping up game in Manilla or Taipei? I can't. Some guys have surfer game on lock and live, eat, and breathe that lifestyle. Would those guys do well outside places that do not have great surfing like Australia, that are landlocked? Probably not.

One dimensional game or highly specialized game means that you need to be in predetermined environments to thrive, otherwise you will be forced to expand your game tool set.

Does having a one dimensional game hurt beginners? No not exactly. Even a beginner can learn something from a surfer dude that is constantly banging chicks around a beach area. Is it better to learn from guys with more well rounded game principles? Of course because it doesn't have a end ceiling. Tuthmosis famously said that he prefers to learn game from guys that are not tall, not handsome, etc. The only caveat to learning from guys like Archie is that you have to learn mindset completely to benefit first. Surfer guy could get you started with an actual surf activity or just let you hang out with him. You could eat his crumbs. Archie and guys like him are trying to teach you how to fish, so that you can catch your own fish someday.

Both ways can help you get to the end of the road someday, but you still have to work at it.

Madness or insanity is repeating the same actions over and over and expecting a different result.

No matter where any of you guys travel or visit, always do your homework properly, investigate thoroughly, and prepare alternative plans. Don't get Analysis Paralysis either, but failure to do these things will give you the results you actually deserve.

[Transsimian]

Why don't some girls shave/wax their upper lip?

I just went out with a 19 year old girl who dressed well and had light makeup on, but I could still see very fine dark hair on her lip.



This isn't the first time I've encountered this. Is it selective blindness?

I got a teacher to wax by playfully teasing her about it, but a teenage girl might not take it the right way.

[nzd]

How different Mainland Chinese from the Hong Kong Chinese, Singapore and ABCs? Can the latter be the same as Mainland Chinese for wife material? Where do I find Christian Chinese?

[Fortis]

An ABC is american.

HongKongers tend not to think of themselves as Mainlanders.
They've had culture for a few decades while china was floundering through the cultural revolution.

Singaporeans? I don't know, but probably similar to HK girls.

Outside of ABCs you can find wife material in any of these groups, but it'll be a bit different from what's posited by this dating guide. An HK girl is probably a tiny bit closer to a Western girl than a Chinese girl.

[Ethan Hunt]

(03-10-2018 08:54 PM)nzd Wrote:  

How different Mainland Chinese from the Hong Kong Chinese, Singapore and ABCs? Can the latter be the same as Mainland Chinese for wife material? Where do I find Christian Chinese?

Majority of Chinese Christians I have met have all been from Malaysia. 1 in 5 Singaporeans are supposedly Christian and most of them will be Chinese, when you exclude expats. More than 10% in HK are Christian. There are still some 30M Christians in mainland China which is more than in any other country. European Chinese may have an increased chance of being Christian.

[Transsimian]

(03-10-2018 08:54 PM)nzd Wrote:  

How different Mainland Chinese from the Hong Kong Chinese, Singapore and ABCs? Can the latter be the same as Mainland Chinese for wife material? Where do I find Christian Chinese?

Sorry for stating the obvious, but have you tried the local Chinese church? Sometimes they have English or bilingual services.

[SeaFM]

Anything worthwhile in the Tianjin area?

I did search.

[Suits]

(03-11-2018 04:43 AM)SeaFM Wrote:  

Anything worthwhile in the Tianjin area?

I did search.

I lived there for two years, which was a mistake, because it's really a city you can do in about a day.

It pales in comparison with Beijing. It's a city you only go to if you want to remind yourself about how culturally awesome Beijing is.

[SeaFM]

Let's say you roll in on a tanker and only have a couple of hours of free time. Anything decent relatively close by?

[Suits]

The place where tankers roll in is a considerable distance from the real Tianjin.

[SeaFM]

Even better. Ok, thanks.

[utterbbq]

A rich beautiful Chinese girl that I've been seeing for a while invited me over to live at her place in Beijing. Managed to pick her up in Hong Kong when she was on one of her business trips.

Since I'm Locally independent and always up for an adventure I'll visit her in the end of Mars.

Never been to mainland China, but wanted to go there for a long time. Won't do any gaming since I'm with the girl but we will probably go out often so I'll keep my eyes open and see how I feel about Beijing.

[SpursFan741]

I found Mainland Chinese girls very suitable for marriage ( and I lived more than a year in China). They are loyal, submissive and can cook very well and will support their husband in no matter what they're doing. Above of that, China is a very family orientated country. A girl who isn't married above about 25 will get a lot of social pressure. But there is one problem : if you want to get rid of her, Chinese girls turn into stalkers. I've had a LTR with a Chinese girl and she couldn't accept the break-up and called the cops several times to mention that I beat her. She cancelled it, then only if I could come back to her.

Another two things to mention are:
- If you have a family visa in Mainland China, you are nothing with it. You are not even allowed to work there legally. It's more like a long term tourist visa and if your wife doesn't support you with the right documents, you even can't. So if you don't match the criteria for the work visa ( for example, you don't have a bachelor degree, you're basically screwed). You can have your online business registered in your home country and live in China, but that kind of lifestyle doesn't fit to everyone. That's a major hurdle you need to keep in mind
- If you want to marry a really traditional Chinese girl, you will need to offer an apartment and a car or at least a huge financial offer.

I can say from my own experience that China is a good country for players and also for wife hunting ( although quality can sometimes be a problem). Although I would not recommend wife hunting in the tier 1 Chinese cities ( Shanghai, Beijing,..) or wife up a girl you met there unless she only has been there for a few months or if she never go out . ( You don't want to wife up the slut in the club who fucked all the laowei's before you). So if she says " I'm already living for 2 or 3 years in Beijing or Shanghai, HUGE RED FLAG, especially if you met her in a club. I just saw on wechat a big slut from Shanghai married to an Amercian beta, her notch count will be over 200 and the guy will think that he has married a traditional chinese girl. Screen well. ( let's say you met up a chinese girl in Shanghai or Shenzhen by daygame and she mentions she lives already there alone for more than 2 or 3 years, she will had a higher notch count than you have.If she just arrived in the city, then I would give it a shot)

[TravelerKai]

(03-11-2018 12:05 PM)SpursFan741 Wrote:  

I found Mainland Chinese girls very suitable for marriage ( and I lived more than a year in China). They are loyal, submissive and can cook very well and will support their husband in no matter what they're doing. Above of that, China is a very family orientated country. A girl who isn't married above about 25 will get a lot of social pressure. But there is one problem : if you want to get rid of her, Chinese girls turn into stalkers. I've had a LTR with a Chinese girl and she couldn't accept the break-up and called the cops several times to mention that I beat her. She cancelled it, then only if I could come back to her.

There is alot of bad information here.

For starters, you are the first I have ever heard of, as well as others I asked out of curiosity, that has reported a chick calling the cops on you for leaving. That is not the norm at all for China.

What is more likely is the following below:

1. You probably live/lived with her in the same apartment.
2. You may have promised or discussed marrying at some point.
3. You might have even met her parents before.
4. For you to state that she called the cops several times meant that you have very poor frame, as well as game, you do not speak Chinese at all, are selectively leaving out details of your story, do not know Chinese law very well or at all, and may not have been financially able to leave.
5. You did not set expectations at all during the relationship.
6. Brought bad game/beta mentality from France over to China with you. Changing locations does not fix bad game.
7. Shacked up with a poor/farmer/very countryside girl.

Just to elaborate a bit on those points. Chinese girls (especially from the countryside) get married at ages 16-19 all the time. They just don't get the legal papers (obviously because legal age limit is 20 for marriage license). They just get the papers once the first kid is old enough for school and needs the hukou to enroll, etc. Some of the poor ones are too lazy to even do that. Yes you heard that right. There are some Chinese walking around in the countryside with no hukou for their kids, like a ghost. It was much worse during one child policy.

The reason I bring this up is that if you moved in with her, she mentally figured you to be married already. You never checked her or put distance, or set boundaries at a minimum to avoid confusion on that matter. You probably got game-lazy from being fed and fucked daily to care enough about it.

If you met the parents already, you are defacto married in countryside people's eyes more or less.

Her calling the cops, likely meant you were in her apartment or she lived in yours. Too bad for you, cops in China regard spouse fights as domestic matters that requires no jail or investigation. They usually let people cool off and get over it. They only make you sit in the jail if you are out of control or someone got hurt bad. They usually send you out if you have calmed down. Since Chinese police only use physical evidence to make decisions on that, unless she had bruises or blood, they won't do anything.

The first time that happened, you should have gotten away from her, but yet you did not. You kowtowed each time. I even wonder if you said sorry in front of the police? I hope you did not get on knees and do that. That's really stupid if so. Are you an old school French guy that casually slaps a woman? I thought those kind of French men are extinct, but if not, you should not be doing that as a foreigner in China. Never good to test the professionalism of Chinese police officers.

You should have broke up with her earlier than when you did. I can tell by the way you wrote this story, you likely were with her for a year or more. That's too long for a Chinese chick you are not trying to marry, without letting her know that at some point. At that point, you need a new girlfriend or a new main at least.

Also, you may have missed out on a very big shit test, game wise. If you knew what you were doing, you could have turned the whole situation into a wife that lets you fuck outside the house anytime you want.

When guys get LTRs or go wife hunting with nongy-ish/super poor or very countryside women, this is what you get. Stick to the middle-upper to upperclass women, and these ridiculous stories will never happen. the only greencard hunters in China come from this group. They are so ignorant and aggressive about securing their future, they will diss a very well put together black or other color man for a potential date, for any kind of white guy, no matter how slovenly he looks or broke his ass is. Even if you are white, why would want a loser female like that around you?

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Another two things to mention are:
- If you have a family visa in Mainland China, you are nothing with it. You are not even allowed to work there legally. It's more like a long term tourist visa and if your wife doesn't support you with the right documents, you even can't. So if you don't match the criteria for the work visa ( for example, you don't have a bachelor degree, you're basically screwed). You can have your online business registered in your home country and live in China, but that kind of lifestyle doesn't fit to everyone. That's a major hurdle you need to keep in mind
- If you want to marry a really traditional Chinese girl, you will need to offer an apartment and a car or at least a huge financial offer.

I can say from my own experience that China is a good country for players and also for wife hunting ( although quality can sometimes be a problem). Although I would not recommend wife hunting in the tier 1 Chinese cities ( Shanghai, Beijing,..) or wife up a girl you met there unless she only has been there for a few months or if she never go out . ( You don't want to wife up the slut in the club who fucked all the laowei's before you). So if she says " I'm already living for 2 or 3 years in Beijing or Shanghai, HUGE RED FLAG, especially if you met her in a club. I just saw on wechat a big slut from Shanghai married to an Amercian beta, her notch count will be over 200 and the guy will think that he has married a traditional chinese girl. Screen well. ( let's say you met up a chinese girl in Shanghai or Shenzhen by daygame and she mentions she lives already there alone for more than 2 or 3 years, she will had a higher notch count than you have.If she just arrived in the city, then I would give it a shot)

Duh, that is why it is called a family visa and not a work permit visa.

I keep my businesses USA based. I have no need to create a China based one. Why would I do that anyway? Why would anyone want to put their online business into Chinese laws without being Chinese? That's insane! France's taxes on your business cannot be possibly bad enough to want full Chinese control of your business.

No you do not need to offer an apartment and a car for a wife in China. Again, stick with the middle-upperclass to upper class women, and her parents would maybe feel insulted if you tried to buy them that stuff. They don't need your money. Poor ones do. Only the very poor ones make you outright negotiate hard on the bride price. Also they think foreigners are suckers. Most of the time they are right about that, unfortunately.

Wrong again. The smart, wealthier, connected, and talented go to the big cities to work or go to school. They may be from a smaller province, but that does not change them any. What changes them is becoming old sheng nu with dogs and cats. Even then those women are still much better wives than the average Western woman, and that is really astounding within itself.

Again, Club girls = slut in the eyes of most good girls. That is not the place to hunt for a future wife. It is very common to meet a Chinese woman at 25, that has never stepped foot in a night club. To them, that is a place for "bitches" and soft pros. Girls with tattoos and the girlfriends of gangsters. While that is not exactly true, that is what they think, so it does matter.

You say screen well, but you made possibly egregious errors in screening your LTR. Did you actually learn anything game wise, other than using money, to find a wife from that ordeal?

Notch count obviously matters for wife hunting (not a China thing, it's universal), but that has nothing to do with years spent in a T1 city. Sounds like you need to, learn more Mandarin, switch to daygame only, and start aiming younger quite possibly.

[TravelerKai]

(03-11-2018 11:53 AM)utterbbq Wrote:  

A rich beautiful Chinese girl that I've been seeing for a while invited me over to live at her place in Beijing. Managed to pick her up in Hong Kong when she was on one of her business trips.

Since I'm Locally independent and always up for an adventure I'll visit her in the end of Mars.

Never been to mainland China, but wanted to go there for a long time. Won't do any gaming since I'm with the girl but we will probably go out often so I'll keep my eyes open and see how I feel about Beijing.

Enjoy her, but don't make Spurs' mistakes. Always have an out if things are not what you expected. Never feel like some bitch has you in prison and you cannot leave.

I never recommend living with women anywhere on Earth, that is not your wife. But hey, it's your thang, do what you wanna do....

[Fortis]

How does a girl call the cops on a dude several times and keep him around? I hope the blowjobs were that good, otherwise, I'm really wondering what you learned in 1 year in China, Spursfan. Hell, I don't even think most betas back home in France would put up with that sort of behavior. Do not let girls in China play you like that.

[giancarlo]

Awesome guide, thanks for all the value. I'm staying in Guangzhou now, I'm an ABC, any wings out there? Been able to close a few from online/daygame but always fun to go out with wings. Hit me up y'all.

[nycman]

Great post. I sort of stumbled across this as a born-and-bred NYer who met a prettty amazing lady from China visiting here this summer. I'm late 40s, imagining she is. Divorced for a year, very pretty, stylish,clearly comes from a lot of money and well-educated. Very cosmopolitan in some ways, very traditional in others. Great affection/attraction right out of the gate, clearly we wanted each other but at some point she said 'Chinese girls do not just invite men to their apartment and sleep with them we have boyfriends/relationships with one man'. Honestly, I was all aboard, she was pretty fantastic. Cooked for her a few times which she lovvvvvved. She took me to a few events with her inner circle of chinese friends (mostly married couples between say 30 and 60) who never ceased to tell me how amazing she said I was to her, how nice, what a gentleman, how I did everything for her, how happy I made her etc and she alway gushed how they loved me (nice, cultured, smart, well-dressed) etc

All sounds good right? The sad thing is she is about to go back home for 6 months and keeps inviting me to come stay with her and to boot lets me know I am the first man she has been with since her divorce a year ago, many suitors but she wants a relationship with me. Besides the fact I treat her really well and am 'such a gentleman' she thinks I am very smart, hard working, handsome, loves my body and if the sounds coming out of her mouth are any indication lovvvvvves sex.

Her friends start to ask me if I am serious about her and I say of coruse she is amazing but we do have language issues (she speaks a litle and is learning more each day, I speak 4 words one of which is 'Cheers' but I do try hard and for instanc asked if I could use her Chinese vs American name and when i greet her always say 'Nihao (Chinese Name)' and she is thrilllled. She shows me off at dinners just saying simple things and her friends seem awed that a) I can use chopsticks b) I love Chinese food c) I can say the basics (thank you, please, your welcome, hello and og course Cheers!)

She finds out her trip is extended a month and is thrilled and asks me to plan things for us and says over and over how thrilled she is we have another month together. Then BANG! she starts pulling back and hard. We have one more of those dinners with friends where I/we are center attention with her animately talking about us (she says you are so good to her, she says you worked so hard to build your business) etc. THe girl clearly doesn't need a drop of my money (which is pretty non existent since I just finally launched my business), her car alone is worth near 1/2 million. So she clearly really likes me and all her friends make sure I know. But... she has pulled back hard.

I sent her a letter reassuring her I wanted to visit her at home and I'd wait for her too since I assumed her friends all said 'this american guy isn't visiting you and he ain't waiting for you, you are going on 50 and he can date american girls all he wants". So finally today we are supposed to meet. her texts have lost all of their flirtatiousness and 'I'll miss you!" and "Dear this" and "Dear that". She is bringing a friend we hung out with to translate so I am somewhat trepidatious about what is happening.

If this was an American girl I'd say a) she was full of s*** about 'first man since my husband" and b) take "thank you for loving me!" a "I'm flattered but I don't" and c) pulling away as a bad sign and d) meeting at the place we met as a wrap-up of what we had. But it is impossible to figure her out, translations get lost, and I wonder if I was suppose to make some move other than what I did. Pretty sure if she'd moved on emotionally she' just block me; we don't hang out the same places and she goes home in ten days. I guess a little late for advice on this but any thoughts for our meeting with her translator friend? Pretty sure it means she has something she needs to communicate besides "bye it was fun". And to tell the truth; this is the first woman I've fallen in love with in 20+ years and the first woman I could see myself marrying since then too. Thus posting on a random forum for some cultural insight hopefully!

[hotmoney]

No offence I find data sheets like TK's long winded.

How should I play China route for a month go north, south, central or all. Im only interested in pretty ladies. I figure focus on three large cities from this list what do you guys think any on here i should avoid? Apparently they are taller in the north.

harbin (prettiest its been said)
dalian
chongqing
chengdu
suzhou
changsha
nanjing
guangzhou
hangzhou
xi'an
changchun
tianjin
shenyang
shenzen
qingdao

[thisguy]

Depends on when you plan to travel, but the North gets really cold during winter and it seems less people will / want to be outside during the season. This could directly affect daygame and options on taking girls out on dates.

Better to stick to the South if you plan on travelling to China between now and April.

(10-30-2018 09:23 PM)hotmoney Wrote:  

No offence I find data sheets like TK's long winded.

How should I play China route for a month go north, south, central or all. Im only interested in pretty ladies. I figure focus on three large cities from this list what do you guys think any on here i should avoid? Apparently they are taller in the north.

harbin (prettiest its been said)
dalian
chongqing
chengdu
suzhou
changsha
nanjing
guangzhou
hangzhou
xi'an
changchun
tianjin
shenyang
shenzen
qingdao

[hotmoney]

(11-01-2018 03:00 AM)thisguy Wrote:  

Depends on when you plan to travel, but the North gets really cold during winter and it seems less people will / want to be outside during the season. This could directly affect daygame and options on taking girls out on dates.

Better to stick to the South if you plan on travelling to China between now and April.

I get it colder in the north winter but if i go April-May am i better off going north?
Are the women more attractive friendlier in the north, south or same. Is the north really noticeably taller? Best cities?

North route: Land in Beijing --> Jinzhou --> Shenyang --> Changchun --> Harbin --> Dalian

South route: Land in Shanghai --> Nanjing --> Suzhou --> Hangzhou --> Changsha --> Chongqing --> Chengdu