[TravelerKai]

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Ok, I think I got you on how Chinese guys think and feel. But still, seems a bit different than other countries -- or maybe not, and maybe I'm learning something new everyday, lol.

South Korea is alot like this as well. Maybe even worse in a way. Cockblocking in SK is worse than in China or many other places in Asia. If you keep a low profile for the most part and you do not brag and show off everywhere what you have, no one truly gives a shit. Peacocking in a night club with hot girls will invite cockblocking, but walking down the street will not invite someone to spit on you or something. At worse someone might talk shit. That has happened to me just twice.

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Ahhh right, that's what I was meaning to say, living there but not "from." So then the Hunan women have a somewhat stronger look, more slender and even sporty, perhaps even masculine sometimes? I actually always liked chicks with short hair, even though Roosh and much of this forum is so against it. I also remember you said it's one of the possible "signs" in your writeup, as well as she seems to smoke a bit, which most guys understandably don't care for at all.... Off topic but said girl looks very much like the chick I dated while living in Bangkok -- CHinese Thai, educated, had manager job at a high-end sports fitness facility, grew up playing sports and now as a 26yo manager still has the sports body but executive clothes. Best of both worlds, man. I'm not a tit's guy, I'm more legs and that whole thing. Anyhow we ended up both cheating on each other so that relationship mutually ended. She was super sociable (in addition to physical strength) so she moved right on along -- she might have even cheated on me first, lol. Or maybe not, cause I was the one that told her first.

Hunan women have very strong looking calves and sometimes thighs like Guangzhou women and other South Chinese women. Their skin is somewhat darker and they smile alot compared to other region's women. Hunan women have a reputation for being very sweet and traditional women. They are not always the smartest ones but they make up for it in other areas. My wife is from there. She has/had hair like that lady, which is something I prefer as well. In my guide I probably should have written "Pixie cut" and gave that a much different score and lowered the score for short hair. Girls with hair like that lady, are a bit independent like. They are no where near feminist, but they are still a little bit like a rebel tendency wise. Pixie cut girls are a big red flag and they are probably very liberal and also gay. If they are very young with a pixie cut, they are probably bi-curious and very rebellious. If they are 27+ looking like that, they are much harder to flip over from the dark side or to the penis side for that matter.

Asians keep short hair for reasons that differ greatly from the West in general. Lots of them prefer that hair style because it is easier to do work like that. Some schools even make girls keep shorter (like medium length) hair, so that they do not play and get distracted with their hair. Some parents even make their girls do that when they are kids. When they get out of school, that is when they tend to either grow it out or keep it to attract a guy, because Chinese men highly prefer the long hair. Others will either grow it longer if they are a stay at home wife or cut it if they must work alot again. Some just like the way that style looks period. 8% of Chinese men prefer that look in a poll I saw this year and that was an increase from last year. The bottom line is that it has no ties to feminist mindset. Chinese women would not know what a feminist is if it slapped them in the face. Most think it means women can get a job or something like that. Japanese women have the same kind of thing going on. Koreans actually have short hair in their culture as a thing for young girls that are school age. In North Korea young girls must have a short hairstyle and it's mandatory. In the West women reject femininity so much that it has gotten to the point that chasing women with short hair is like playing with fire. That is why most of RVF is anti-short hair. Don't let that stop your from finding your own short-haired Asian. I have one and I am very happy with her. She will keep it as long or as short as I choose. She always asks me what style do I prefer when I take her to a salon. Right now it is long because I wanted to see what she would look like with that.

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Yah when I saw him I was like, oh hell, she's sittin next to a rather sharp looking shaved-head white guy, looks like she has "options." Sitting next to those folks like it's no big deal -- probably is spinning numerous other guys just like him every few days. But then like you said, he went and kinda messed it up, I was like "huh, Philippines, what is he saying?"

She does not have as many options as you think she has. I would not be surprised if she is completely single right now at all. In fact, if you were to track her down, you probably could get a date right off the bat. Alot of foreigners are not the romantic and smooth players like yourself or other RVFers. Those Russian dudes over there pump and dump those girls and can be a prick to them. They cling to them because they know the local men don't want them. I stole one of those from a Russian man without even knowing it until I told her I was going to be letting her go. Then she told me all about her mean Russian boyfriend in a desperate plea so that I would not leave her. I was like WUT? When did this happen? That girl was an office manager, late 20s, educated, great English, etc. She was a 5/6 ish chick like the one in the video. I liked her alot. She would have made a great wife, but I had even more and much better options than her. There are lots of girls like this.

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Hunan -- I wonder what language they speak there. Wikipedia says "Xiang" among others. Is it like Cantonese, as it seems close to Guangdong on a map.

No its hard to explain. For example with my inlaws. My father in law speaks HoShan hua. My mother speaks HengYang hua. He cannot speak Hengyang hua, but she can speak HoShan hua. My wife can speak and understand both as well as Mandarin. Ho Shan is right next to Hengyang city. It makes almost no sense to an outsider but China has 300~ dialects because people spoke whatever their region used. Some of them have similar sounds in standard Mandarin, but most of them do not. The lady in the video speaks something similar to Hengyang hua accent wise, but it is still different a little bit.

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By the way, that girl's mom looks like a nice enough friendly woman, but her dad looks like he's legit enough to take your head off if you did something stupid. I guess that would be a "tiger dad" haha, but I don't know. Smile is friendly though.

Chinese men are not pussies. The ABCs and immigrants that have masters degrees would never get into a fight with a Chinese farmer or mountainside man. Those guys have 6-12 packs. Piss on the side of the road and drink alot of baijiu. They have strong grips. They are gentle but do not fuck with them. My grandfather in law is 80 and rides up a mountainside with a big bee box on a motorcycle. He cut his leg bad once and refused to let anyone treat it and just let it bleed. None of my grandfathers lived to 80 to be that hardassed and my grandmothers are nowhere near the stamina of them either.

[TravelerKai]

Also in regards to the scoring scale, you have to use the whole thing and not pick just one thing as a warning sign. Also it's just a guess or a tendency. There is probably a girl out there that has a tattoo and would make a great wife, mother, and have traditional values. Most of them probably won't. None of them are completely traditional good girls though which is what that test is all about.

[clever alias]

most dialects are found in southern china. the majority of northern "dialects" are pretty close to standard mandarin. in fact, when people classify different chinese languages, they even classify them into different "families," so a city near guangzhou speaks cantonese, but all of guangdong speaks yue, of which cantonese is a subset. cantonese is a dialect of Yue, and not of mandarin.

[elcidcampeador]

There are a ton of dialects, and there are also a ton of accents.

I basically learned my Mandarin when I was running a logistics business in Tianjin, so I sound like a complete blue-collar northeast construction worker. Sounds very authentic though.

Would like to give a bit of an input - it's been a couple of years since I was really in China.

Chinese girls are both easy and tough. I preferred 5'8" pale girls who Chinese guys dreamed of marrying. I had a semi LTR with a girl (5 months) who was too rich, and parlayed that guanxi into some good business connections. Anyways, she liked me, I liked her, but other guys were flat out offering to buy her houses and benzes just for dating them. Kind of a pain in the ass when she's telling me that other guys are offering to buy them cars to break up with me.

The other side is that the other girls are easy. The cute short girls with less pale skin aren't valued as highly by the locals, and we foreigners don't usually give a shit about skin color. As long as you convince them you have some value (i.e, not an English teacher), then they will all want you. Even if you are an English teacher, they will probably still want you.

The negative from both kinds of Chinese is a general lack of social skills, an addiction to selfies and technology, and a complete obsession with status. Definitely one can get away coming to China to game, but it's a lot easier if you pretend you are working. Taipei is the easiest place to game away from my experience. I've gotten asked out by girls on the MTR and HSR in Taiwan at least 10 times.

[TravelerKai]

(09-29-2014 12:28 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  

There are a ton of dialects, and there are also a ton of accents.

I basically learned my Mandarin when I was running a logistics business in Tianjin, so I sound like a complete blue-collar northeast construction worker. Sounds very authentic though.

Would like to give a bit of an input - it's been a couple of years since I was really in China.

Chinese girls are both easy and tough. I preferred 5'8" pale girls who Chinese guys dreamed of marrying. I had a semi LTR with a girl (5 months) who was too rich, and parlayed that guanxi into some good business connections. Anyways, she liked me, I liked her, but other guys were flat out offering to buy her houses and benzes just for dating them. Kind of a pain in the ass when she's telling me that other guys are offering to buy them cars to break up with me.

The other side is that the other girls are easy. The cute short girls with less pale skin aren't valued as highly by the locals, and we foreigners don't usually give a shit about skin color. As long as you convince them you have some value (i.e, not an English teacher), then they will all want you. Even if you are an English teacher, they will probably still want you.

The negative from both kinds of Chinese is a general lack of social skills, an addiction to selfies and technology, and a complete obsession with status. Definitely one can get away coming to China to game, but it's a lot easier if you pretend you are working. Taipei is the easiest place to game away from my experience. I've gotten asked out by girls on the MTR and HSR in Taiwan at least 10 times.

This is spot on. The local men go nuts over ultra pale women to the point that she could have a busted face and they would rather take her over a slightly darker one with a 8-10 face. It's so absurd it isn't funny.

You got Chinese people calling girls that look like this "black"



Compared to something like this:



Seriously. What is the difference? That may not be enough difference, shade-wise, to tell if some Anglo person is Irish or French in the West! They make a huge deal out of skin shade to the point where it handicaps their own game and could make them end up with a less desirable woman. Then again, they know they can have a mistress, p4p, and xiaosan since they know the culture enough. Another reason why p4p in any form is not good for men. They use it as a crutch and never maintain quality levels.

More for us I suppose. Hot is hot. Color be damned. An 8-10 is still and 8-10 regardless of where she is from. If she did not get plastic surgery, she should still produce a good looking kid as long as you are not too ugly. Walking around China with a cute woman makes them look at you regardless of if she is too dark or not. Like I said earlier, the Chinese have that saying that the food in another person's bowl always tastes better.

[clever alias]

sucks to be 娄婧

[DVY]

I got to say mad props to you TravelerKai.

I play Asia on EZ-mode. Half-white, half-asian 6'2 mid 20s.

One thing I have to echo is the 5-7 filtering themselves out. They will literally be rude to you for no reason (especially night-game). Don't take it personally. And Ill have 8s-9s throwing themselves AT ME.

What you look like matters a lot. When traveling/living there I get mostly models, hotties, students. 95% of these girls tend to be rich. C'est la vie. If you want to be a playboy in Asia, better stick to the upper middle class and up.

I've gotten the reverse dowry offer as well. $1 million in cash + guaranteed good job. I turned it down.

As buffett said, "There is nothing more pointless than marrying into money when you already have it."

[extracube]

At TravelerKai.

Ok your recent posts are fair enough to understand, so thought I would start with another question. This one isn't the best one, but it is one that I was wondering about the other day as I was going through your very long writeup.

"Some rich and most filthy rich Chinese women are “White God Factor/Syndrome Resistant” in a lot of ways."

Just making sure I got it right, you mean to say most of the wealthier ones aren't intrigued just because you're white?

Another question: "9.Beware of the ones looking for Boy Toys. These women want their own male version of a bottlegirl. They will never give you any pussy and will constantly waste your time talking to you and hanging out. Follow the 3 strike rule with rich girls. After the 3 close attempt, throw them out into the pasture."

Wondering what a "bottlegirl" is. Is that like a woman that just brings bottles of beer and then stands around you for a long time to give you face making others think you have a HB (hot babe) next to you?

Oh yah, took your advice in your post and signed up for both the chinalovematch and chinalovecupid last week. Both are paid sites though if a guy wants full access, but already got a few quick messages and several winks.

And, sending you a quick PM after this.

[TravelerKai]

(09-29-2014 04:50 PM)extracube Wrote:  

At TravelerKai.

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Just making sure I got it right, you mean to say most of the wealthier ones aren't intrigued just because you're white?

Yes that is correct. Why would a white guy be a top choice pick when you have a ton of money and power in China? Marrying another powerful or rich Chinese person ensures that your family stays relevant and also protects against political and business enemies. Allying yourself with the right people also protects against purges whenever the current Chinese president goes on a "Corruption Purge".

Also, rich Chinese are not all that crazy about what white Westerners are into or doing. Don't get me wrong some do, but many see the shit going on here or came here to study at universities and are not impressed with our "decline". Many criticize American foreign and business policy privately and with friends. If you build some good circles yourself, you can see this for your ownself. They know China is not perfect, but like DVY said, they live on EZ mode. If you are rich in China, you live like a fucking king. Very little will impress them. What can you show them that they have not seen or done yet? White skin? Pffft.

What impresses them is a white guy that speaks Mandarin and follows Chinese culture and lives in China. That never fucking fails.

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Wondering what a "bottlegirl" is. Is that like a woman that just brings bottles of beer and then stands around you for a long time to give you face making others think you have a HB (hot babe) next to you?

Oh yah, took your advice in your post and signed up for both the chinalovematch and chinalovecupid last week. Both are paid sites though if a guy wants full access, but already got a few quick messages and several winks.

And, sending you a quick PM after this

Correct. A bottle girl is a girl that is hired to serve you drinks at a KTV, or just sit, keep company, and singalong with the patrons. Just like in Japan or Korea, etc. They are not for sale pussy-wise (Usually). There are usually other girls upstairs or whatever that do that. Alot of these girls are highly forbidden to date the patrons, so it can even be risky exchanging info with them. These girls are 5-6's sometimes a rare 7.

Yep those sites are great for doing pre-work before you take your trips out there. Some guys like to just wing it, but I strongly recommend not doing that. Preperation always makes a trip successful. You can always day game if your known gals flake and you can use WeChat for other stuff. I bet you won't, but it's there if that happens.

[Cowboy Rooskie]

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[WalterBlack]

(09-29-2014 05:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 04:50 PM)extracube Wrote:  

At TravelerKai.

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Just making sure I got it right, you mean to say most of the wealthier ones aren't intrigued just because you're white?

Yes that is correct. Why would a white guy be a top choice pick when you have a ton of money and power in China? Marrying another powerful or rich Chinese person ensures that your family stays relevant and also protects against political and business enemies. Allying yourself with the right people also protects against purges whenever the current Chinese president goes on a "Corruption Purge".

Also, rich Chinese are not all that crazy about what white Westerners are into or doing. Don't get me wrong some do, but many see the shit going on here or came here to study at universities and are not impressed with our "decline". Many criticize American foreign and business policy privately and with friends. If you build some good circles yourself, you can see this for your ownself. They know China is not perfect, but like DVY said, they live on EZ mode. If you are rich in China, you live like a fucking king. Very little will impress them. What can you show them that they have not seen or done yet? White skin? Pffft.

What impresses them is a white guy that speaks Mandarin and follows Chinese culture and lives in China. That never fucking fails.

I went to college in the US and there were some very wealthy mainland Chinese and Taiwanese in my class. The vast majority of them never gave a fuck about non-Chinese men. The mainlanders and the Taiwanese never mingled with each other either. There were some hookups between the ABCs (American born Chinese).

I banged a mainlander, but she had already been in the US for over 10 years, and she wasn’t from a wealthy background. The hottest Asian in the class was actually a Japanese woman, every guy in the program wanted to bang her - she ended up with a very rich Taiwanese guy.

The Taiwanese women were hotter than the mainland girls, but they had bitch mode stuck up to 10. They never spoke to me unless they needed something. The mainland women were a lot sweeter and down to earth. I developed a very negative attitude towards Taiwanese women for a while after grad school because I was so burned the ones I studied with…I’m OK with them now and I’ve banged some since I left college.

I’m a brown guy and I’m very familiar with Chinese culture, I know a bit about their history and I know a few words of Mandarin. I even did a presentation on Taiwan at grad school. I find that with mainland Chinese women, they either ignore me (because I’m not Chinese) or they LOVE me because I know a lot about their culture. This has got me a couple of bangs before… I suspect I would do very well daygaming in China, if I can improve my Mandarin. I seem to click with mainland women very well.

From my experieces I never, ever talk about sex with mainland Chinese women or sexualise the conversation – this is to make them think that I am NOT after the bang (even though I am). Many of them are pretty “innocent” and not very sexual, if you known I mean. I get my bangs from just cracking jokes, making them laugh, then kissing them and escalating from there.

[Swooper]

I'm an ABC and I just wanna say TravelerKai knows his stuff. I've been in China for 2 years now and I can confirm most of the knowledge he is dropping is pure gold.

[TravelerKai]

(09-29-2014 07:10 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 05:15 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(09-29-2014 04:50 PM)extracube Wrote:  

At TravelerKai.

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Just making sure I got it right, you mean to say most of the wealthier ones aren't intrigued just because you're white?

Yes that is correct. Why would a white guy be a top choice pick when you have a ton of money and power in China? Marrying another powerful or rich Chinese person ensures that your family stays relevant and also protects against political and business enemies. Allying yourself with the right people also protects against purges whenever the current Chinese president goes on a "Corruption Purge".

Also, rich Chinese are not all that crazy about what white Westerners are into or doing. Don't get me wrong some do, but many see the shit going on here or came here to study at universities and are not impressed with our "decline". Many criticize American foreign and business policy privately and with friends. If you build some good circles yourself, you can see this for your ownself. They know China is not perfect, but like DVY said, they live on EZ mode. If you are rich in China, you live like a fucking king. Very little will impress them. What can you show them that they have not seen or done yet? White skin? Pffft.

What impresses them is a white guy that speaks Mandarin and follows Chinese culture and lives in China. That never fucking fails.

I went to college in the US and there were some very wealthy mainland Chinese and Taiwanese in my class. The vast majority of them never gave a fuck about non-Chinese men. The mainlanders and the Taiwanese never mingled with each other either. There were some hookups between the ABCs (American born Chinese).

I banged a mainlander, but she had already been in the US for over 10 years, and she wasn’t from a wealthy background. The hottest Asian in the class was actually a Japanese woman, every guy in the program wanted to bang her - she ended up with a very rich Taiwanese guy.

The Taiwanese women were hotter than the mainland girls, but they had bitch mode stuck up to 10. They never spoke to me unless they needed something. The mainland women were a lot sweeter and down to earth. I developed a very negative attitude towards Taiwanese women for a while after grad school because I was so burned the ones I studied with…I’m OK with them now and I’ve banged some since I left college.

I’m a brown guy and I’m very familiar with Chinese culture, I know a bit about their history and I know a few words of Mandarin. I even did a presentation on Taiwan at grad school. I find that with mainland Chinese women, they either ignore me (because I’m not Chinese) or they LOVE me because I know a lot about their culture. This has got me a couple of bangs before… I suspect I would do very well daygaming in China, if I can improve my Mandarin. I seem to click with mainland women very well.

From my experieces I never, ever talk about sex with mainland Chinese women or sexualise the conversation – this is to make them think that I am NOT after the bang (even though I am). Many of them are pretty “innocent” and not very sexual, if you known I mean. I get my bangs from just cracking jokes, making them laugh, then kissing them and escalating from there.

Rich Taiwanese that come over to the US are almost always hotter than the rich Mainlanders. They are definitely much, much harder to get with too. (If you are not white and sometimes even if you are) All of them are hard to get with regardless. If you are not white, tall, and very handsome, I would recommend going directly to the source every fucking time.

I get lots of PMs about gaming these women in the US, UK, Australia, etc. and perhaps it is a good time to clarify again. Go to the source! Forget those women. They are usually not worth the enormous amount of effort for getting laid and many of them know how to use the friendzone techniques their Western counterparts use. You can also risk tearing up your social circles that includes these girls trying to escalate with one. They will tell the others what you did in Mandarin and spread rumors without you realizing it. It's very hard to manage and has too many factors. That's why I do not and will not offer advice on how to game FOBs or rich immigrants. Their wealth and possible deep CCP goverment connections put you in a difficult position from the beginning. They will almost never disobey their parents if you want LTR or marriage.

If you want to practice on them, fine. Nothing wrong with that, but you will never, and I say this truthfully, you will never get anywhere near the quality that can be found inside China. One street corner can have 10-15 8's in the same second at the exact same time. A tourism spot will have 20+ 7's walking around. An area outside of a university I walked by had more 7,8's, and a few 9's than any other place I have ever seen. I once saw a 10 in an elevator in Beijing that almost gave me a heart attack. I got dizzy and had to go sit down for a few minutes. I'm not kidding here. Some of the 8's or 9's I saw walking around places would probably be 10's to some of you guys. I dropped my jaw, in front of my now wife, when I went to a small town in Hunan and saw nothing but dressed to kill women walking around with umbrellas. None of them uglier than a 6. There must have been 60-80 of them walking around in this area the size of 2 blocks. My wife just laughed at me. This was not Changsha either. Changsha was even more ridiculous. Cute 6's tried to approach me in malls while out with my wife, she had to shoo them away.

Here is the kicker. Your typical 6 maybe 7 in China looks like all these rich Chinese and Taiwanese in the US. No Taiwanese in the US can compare to a Mainlander when they like wearing shit like blue jeans and North Face like a white girl. They would never wear a short dress or skirt, boots, and a low cut top, just to please a man. They want a masters degree in business or engineering, equal pay, more money than you, buy real estate, and the same comforts you are used to. Only one Taiwanese girl in my own circle that dresses on level with a Mainlander, has a 60,000 dollar engagement ring, and she is an arguable 9 on a USA scale. Her future husband is tall, rich, and Taiwanese, he is pretty good looking too minus his acne problem. How can you get women on her level against those odds? They are not commonly carousel riders like white and black girls, so what are your odds of getting even a mere one night stand? In this same circle, a girl from Mongolia dresses fob-ish and very feminine, but she does not have a 7-10 kind of face. She is cute as hell all in all, but it's not close enough to the mainland. If I never went to China, I would have been humping her leg thinking she is the best thing ever. I saw her after half of my trips, I just shook her hand instead and went on about my business.

Asia itself sets the bar for your own personal knowledge of what is a hot woman. It's a good thing. Trying to find ignorance in the bliss of sticking with local Asian women, is just going to cause you to jump back to white, black, and latinas in the US eventually. Asia is not just raw numbers. It is also higher overall quality. You won't be begging or hoping that the woman will put on a dress when you go out either and that means something, big picture wise.

[Sonsowey]

Kai,

You say they are hot in China, and plentiful. I have never been to Asia, but always lived near lots of Asian Americans. My University had lots of foreign exchange students from China and Korea as well.

Looking on sites like china cupid or whatever, I do not really see any chicks that seem that cute to me. Lots of chicks have a pic or two that looks good, then one without makeup that shows they really are not cute. I have been with Asian girls, and think many are attractive, but everything I have seen of Chinese girls really is underwhelming in terms of attractiveness compared to white, black or latina girls.


Can you post some pics that you think are representative of cute girls you would see walking around a mall or something? Not models, you know, normal cuties. I have several job offers in China but until I see actual cute girls, I have no real interest...

[WalterBlack]

(09-30-2014 09:49 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Asia itself sets the bar for your own personal knowledge of what is a hot woman. It's a good thing. Trying to find ignorance in the bliss of sticking with local Asian women, is just going to cause you to jump back to white, black, and latinas in the US eventually. Asia is not just raw numbers. It is also higher overall quality. You won't be begging or hoping that the woman will put on a dress when you go out either and that means something, big picture wise.

I went to a singles night held by my old college a couple of weeks ago. The Asian women there were nothing special – the white women were way better looking and now my dick is swinging towards white pussy again...I will never give up Asian though! There wasn’t many Asian women there, but the ones that were there mostly Asian-American.

For shits and giggles I spoke to a MILF FOB from Macau and spoke about all the shit I know about Chinese culture. She got super excited and gave me her number. She has been texting me most of the last week wanting to meet. She’s kind of old, so I don’t know if I can be bothered, unless it’s just for the notch.

(09-30-2014 10:51 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Kai,

You say they are hot in China, and plentiful. I have never been to Asia, but always lived near lots of Asian Americans. My University had lots of foreign exchange students from China and Korea as well.

Looking on sites like china cupid or whatever, I do not really see any chicks that seem that cute to me. Lots of chicks have a pic or two that looks good, then one without makeup that shows they really are not cute. I have been with Asian girls, and think many are attractive, but everything I have seen of Chinese girls really is underwhelming in terms of attractiveness compared to white, black or latina girls.


Can you post some pics that you think are representative of cute girls you would see walking around a mall or something? Not models, you know, normal cuties. I have several job offers in China but until I see actual cute girls, I have no real interest...

I live in the US & I’ve been to China and Japan. Asian Americans are nowhere near as good looking as the women in their home countries. I remember walking around LA in an area with lots of Asian-Americans a few days after I got back from Tokyo. The Tokyo women were on another level.

Most of the Asian FOB girls you see on campus in the US are not the good looking ones. You basically get the bookish type – the type that like to party and sex themselves up don’t really come to the US to study.

A lot of the Chinese-American women have origins in SE China, and those women are not considered the best looking in China. I visited Hong Kong a couple of years ago and I was distinctly unimpressed with the standard of the average HK woman. When I crossed the border and went into Shenzhen in mainland China, the quality increased dramatically – the reason why? There are women from all over China, not just Cantonese.

It’s a similar thing with Indian women in the US – most of them are nerdy students with no dress sense and/or ugly south Indians. There’s not many attractive north Indians in the US.

I have a Chinese-American FB with origins in NE China, she looks half white and was given shit by Chinese kids when she grew up (in the US) because they though she wasn’t a “pure” Chinese . She told me that when she was about 8 year old, she was sitting in a cab with her mother in Taiwan, and the cab driver called her mother a whore and told her to get out of the cab. He assumed the kid was half white! This same friend jokes that adopted Chinese kids in the US are all ugly because they are Cantonese.

[Sonsowey]

Walter black,

I have always gotten the impression that Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans are cuter than mainland Chinese.

Again, I have looked on those sites for girls in hunan, sichuan, etc. and thought they all looked unfuckable. Could you put up some pictures of notmal, cute, fuckable non-models to represent what you might find in mainland china?

[El Chinito loco]

(09-30-2014 11:34 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

A lot of the Chinese-American women have origins in SE China, and those women are not considered the best looking in China. I visited Hong Kong a couple of years ago and I was distinctly unimpressed with the standard of the average HK woman. When I crossed the border and went into Shenzhen in mainland China, the quality increased dramatically – the reason why? There are women from all over China, not just Cantonese.

This is so true. A lot of Singaporeans, Malaysian-Chinese, etc.. have those southern chinese roots too. That's why the men and women are so frail and bookish looking for the most part. A lot of southern chinese culture was centered on mercantilism and academics and they are by nature shorter, darker, and skinner. Native Taiwanese are also quite frail but the bloodlines are more diverse there because it's a mix of a broad demographic of mainland chinese blood too. The mainland immigrants that went there post-revolution as the KMT are called wai sen roun. The women from this category and their descendants generally look better than the native taiwanese.

Most chinese-americans have those southern chinese roots which is why there are so many bookish frail types. That's also why a lot of ABC girls can tan so dark when they want to. They have those southern chinese roots where they can naturally get like that. This isn't so much the case with northern chinese.

[WalterBlack]

(09-30-2014 11:44 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Walter black,

I have always gotten the impression that Japanese, Taiwanese and Koreans are cuter than mainland Chinese.
Again, I have looked on those sites for girls in hunan, sichuan, etc. and thought they all looked unfuckable. Could you put up some pictures of notmal, cute, fuckable non-models to represent what you might find in mainland china?

I agree with you in principle – but I’ve only been to SE China and Japan…
The Chinese tourists in Tokyo were definately worse looking than the Japanese women.

I have no idea where to look for pictures of women. I’ve never searched for pictures of Chinese women online.

[Sonsowey]

Ok lets just rate the girls in these pics, 1-10

[TravelerKai]

(09-30-2014 10:51 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

Kai,

You say they are hot in China, and plentiful. I have never been to Asia, but always lived near lots of Asian Americans. My University had lots of foreign exchange students from China and Korea as well.

Looking on sites like china cupid or whatever, I do not really see any chicks that seem that cute to me. Lots of chicks have a pic or two that looks good, then one without makeup that shows they really are not cute. I have been with Asian girls, and think many are attractive, but everything I have seen of Chinese girls really is underwhelming in terms of attractiveness compared to white, black or latina girls.


Can you post some pics that you think are representative of cute girls you would see walking around a mall or something? Not models, you know, normal cuties. I have several job offers in China but until I see actual cute girls, I have no real interest...

I got love for you Sonsowey, but I gotta drop a bomb on ya brother, no offense.

For starters China cupid sucks. That site is barely better than dateinasia.com. Get on a paid one like Extracube did, but even then, a dating website is not going to be fully indicative of what is on the ground there, but it can still help provide a small sample.

I wanted to do a write up on how to target models in China, but I haven't really gotten around to it yet.

Here is one of them. She is a "starving model" per se. Average as far as models inside China is concerned, however she is way hotter than a typical Chinese woman in the US. Click on her friends and check them out too. Alot of these girls take photos at 5 star hotels hoping to get noticed by someone. It could be you, but hey.... if you think your domestic stuff is better than this, I don't know what to tell you. Sign up for an account and message her if you are interested. If you are not, I bet someone else in RVF will.
http://weibo.com/shaitogether



Under 35% of Americans have passports I read somewhere before. That just goes to show you the level of arrogance and ignorance American's have when it comes to anything outside of America. Would you think it is possible that NYC has just as hot of Russian girls as in Russia itself? Go ask Roosh, DaveR, or Akula. I doubt anyplace in the USA has hotter Russians than anywhere else in Russia. Same goes for Asians. The "talent" that comes here are not the cream of their crop, in beauty that is. These people you see and know at your university are the eggheads and bookworms. This is not representative of their home country's physical talent.

Let me ask you another question as well. When you are done with university, will you continue to have the same access to these girls as you did when you were younger? I had the same kind of access you had, maybe even more. We had students from Iraq and almost every single country. My school is very well known for international diversity. After you graduate, shit changes man. These girls wanna hang out with their classmates. "Creepy Old Alumni" can take a hike! It's bad enough they all hang out in their "Chinese Students Association Clubs" or Taiwanese Students Clubs and sometimes just date each other. Alot of them refuse to date anyone! How can you easily penetrate these circles forever? You might be young and in the cool clique right now, but what happens when you are 30-35? Just gonna go back to carousel riding white, black, and latina ladies eh? There is alot of competition for FOBs and ABCs. Older white guys with money as well as older rich Chinese men look out for these women and can steal them in the blink of an eye. Social Dregs/Losers who import wives in on a K1 Fiancee visa have been tricked on occasion by getting their woman stolen by a savvy white or Chinese guy that knows the game.

Think about this from a logical perspective. Why would equal or hotter women from another country be even bountiful in America? Name one country where that is the case. I bet there is not even an African country that could claim that. Are there hotter Sudanese women here than in Sudan right now? Who knows, but we are talking about Asia and China specifically. It's no contest. Do the math. Half of 1.5 billion people, and their best looking women are in the US near you? A country with only 300,000 good looking women of all races?

If you think you can find hotter Japanese women in California than in Japan you need to put down the dope. At least in Japan, pictures of their average women are all over the place. China is not like that. I could ask more China expats and vets around here to come in here and back up my claims, but what good would that do? Would you still go? Or would you rather stay home and frustrate yourself on gaming white-girl wannabes that wear pants, have alot of attitude, and have narcissism? All because they speak English better? If you look like Christian McQueen, I can see you not giving a fuck about traveling, but even if you did, you would be surprised at the quality abroad, and you would enjoy it better.

You do not have to teach English in China. I never did. If you want to go, just go visit for a week. I do not have some arbitrary folder full of girl photos off the street. This was before Google glass. Maybe if I get one of those someday, maybe I can take photos of talent I see walking around. Until then use logic and reasonable deduction and figure it out yourself. The rest of us did. Now it is your turn. If you don't go, someone else will.

[Sonsowey]

Kai,

Man I appreciate your in-depth breakdowns. I think we have a misunderstanding.

I understand completely what you are saying. I did not say that Chinese women here are better looking than in China. I have never been to Asia but from my travels to other parts of the world I 100% agree with you that women in their home countries are better looking than those who have come to America. No doubt at all.

I am just saying, nowhere have I found any info directly showing what a normal, nice looking Chinese girl looks like. I have seen models which look killer, but every country has models, and the top .1% of the best looking chicks are not indicative of what you would see just walking around on the street.

Specifically with Asian girls, you have the issue of ones whose makeup can completely change how tehy look. Indeed, the girl on weibo you posted is heavily heavily made up. I am talking about things like this:




I would just like some pics, of normal girls in everyday situations, who you think look cute. A pic from a photoshoot tells you very little about how cute the girl is. I know tons of girls, white, black, latina, who have pics from photoshoots that show you can easily bump a girl up 2 or 3 points with makeup, lighting, wardrobe, editing, etc.

I understand you loved China and Chinese girls. I just want some pics, I dunno, from facebook, from weibo, from google image, that shows what you think is a representative kind of "cute girl on the street".

Here are some google image results from "Chinese girls shopping". Do you think this is representative of "cute" girls you'd see out on the street, at the mall? What would you rate the following girls 1-10 in China?

[TravelerKai]

No those pictures are terrible. Google was banned in China. How does a Google search reveal anything like what you are asking? You are just cherrypicking photos of stuff that is merely easy to access from your physical location (the US).

I don't have photos and I am in position to convince someone with a photobook like presentation of what a street block looks like from my own eyes. That Weibo girl while made up in the sample pic I provided, had some photos with no make up on. I saw them months ago, but if you could understand Chinese you could "pipeline" from her page onto others and get more ideas when you find the friends they have that are not models.

Outside of that, I cannot help you much with that. You throwing up pics of random scammers and some generic girls on the street and asking people to grade them is intellectually dishonest and ridiculous. That's the same shit Wutang does when he was to debate martial arts styles as fake or something. You could do the same thing in one of the Ukraine or Russia threads around here and no one is going to care enough to try and fix your perception because it is disingenuous, if not impossible. The purpose of this thread is to assist with the dating of Chinese women inside Mainland China. Not anywhere else, nor is this thread a place to debate whether or not women here are real or hotter than American Asians. The pictures in my guide are for getting an idea of the kinds of physical features a certain region's women have to offer. That's it. A catalog of hot Chinese women is best suited in another thread. We can start some Chinese beauty thread and pack it with pictures of hot or plain women, but I would appreciate it if you do not stuff my thread with plain jane girls in some vain attempt to somehow discredit the beauty of Chinese women. It is immature and sophomoric.

[WalterBlack]

Sonsowey, those girls are even plainer than the ones in Hong Kong! They look like the dregs of mainland China. You can tell from the pictures that they’re bookish nerdy women who don’t give a fuck about their looks.

(09-30-2014 01:55 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Let me ask you another question as well. When you are done with university, will you continue to have the same access to these girls as you did when you were younger? I had the same kind of access you had, maybe even more. We had students from Iraq and almost every single country. My school is very well known for international diversity. After you graduate, shit changes man. These girls wanna hang out with their classmates. "Creepy Old Alumni" can take a hike! It's bad enough they all hang out in their "Chinese Students Association Clubs" or Taiwanese Students Clubs and sometimes just date each other. Alot of them refuse to date anyone! How can you easily penetrate these circles forever? You might be young and in the cool clique right now, but what happens when you are 30-35? Just gonna go back to carousel riding white, black, and latina ladies eh? There is alot of competition for FOBs and ABCs. Older white guys with money as well as older rich Chinese men look out for these women and can steal them in the blink of an eye. Social Dregs/Losers who import wives in on a K1 Fiancee visa have been tricked on occasion by getting their woman stolen by a savvy white or Chinese guy that knows the game.

The Chinese students (mainland, Taiwanese and Chinese American) in my grad school program were very cliquey. This actually ruined my experience in a way because almost half of my class was ethnically Chinese and they didn’t mix with non-Asians. It’s not a nice experience when half of your class silently says “fuck you” and doesn’t want to know you. The Korean FOBs were even worse - at least the Chinese would engage in a conversation now and again, the Koreans just acted like they couldn't speak English at all and didn't talk to me.

I’m barely in touch with any of them now, but when I look them up on Facebook (everybody in the class friended each other) there’s still big groups of them getting together and socialising. I honestly don’t give a fuck about race or religion, I’ll hang out with anyone if we click on a personal level.

(09-30-2014 01:55 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

If you think you can find hotter Japanese women in California than in Japan you need to put down the dope. At least in Japan, pictures of their average women are all over the place. China is not like that. I could ask more China expats and vets around here to come in here and back up my claims, but what good would that do? Would you still go? Or would you rather stay home and frustrate yourself on gaming white-girl wannabes that wear pants, have alot of attitude, and have narcissism? All because they speak English better? If you look like Christian McQueen, I can see you not giving a fuck about traveling, but even if you did, you would be surprised at the quality abroad, and you would enjoy it better.

There’s very few Japanese FOB women turning up in LA nowadays, and the ones I’ve come across are nothing special. Many of these women wouldn’t make good long term partners because they hate Japanese culture and want to be more “western”. That’s why they’re in the US in the first place! Some of them are so desperate to be in the US they work for small Japanese companies in the Torrance/Gardena area, that will sponsor them to work in the US for shitty wages. Many of them are also in the US to ride non-Japanese cock!

Here’s another thing regarding Asian-Americans vs Japanese. Obviously this is not a representative sample, but look at their adult movie stars – if you saw most Asian-American adult actresses walking down the street in normal clothes, you wouldn’t look twice at them. I actually have seen many of them in real life - I went to an AdultCon (It's similar to a Comicon, except that there's adult film stars signing autographs) in downtown LA a couple of years just to see what it was about. Most of them are 5-6s. A lot of Japanese adult actresses are 7-9s.

My favourite Asian-American adult stars (Evelyn Lin and Alina Li) were both born and raised in China!

[Sonsowey]

Kai, why is it that you can post pics of Chiense models but nothing else? I am just trying to get an idea of what a normal cute Chinese girl looks like, but you seem upset that I ask and that I tried to post what pictures I could find after you refused to show anything but models.

Whatever, I started a thread asking my specific question.

Walter Black, thanks for answering saying the girls I posted looked plain to you.

[TravelerKai]

Just to clear stuff up about that model I posted, she is just a regular chick that recently has been trying to become a legit model. She took amateur photos in a hotel I stayed in once in Changsha maybe 6 months back or so, I forget, but regardless. She is mid 20's and just average for a model in China. She is not a .1% girl there. She has a small window of opportunity to make it big. Her height more than anything will probably keep her small time and local. Many girls like her just want a good man to take care of them. Nothing wrong with that. Cannot fault her for trying. I found out about her through my wife actually.

If you can read Chinese and look at Weibo you can see lots of wanna be amateur girls asking everyone or people location wise close by, to give feedback on their photos. This is a nice opportunity to snatch a few pearls without doing alot of work. Pipeline their Weibo or Qzone and then there are even more girls to talk to. I gets ridiculously easy after a while and like shooting fish in a barrel.