[gringochileno]

Just ran the formula on a girl off of OKCupid. No bang (wouldn't let me take the panties off) but got her back to my place and got a BJ out of it.

The girl was underage (turning 21 in a few weeks) so we met at the cafe near my apartment where I usually start off dates and then venue change. We chat and the vibe is playful/flirty but with it being a coffee shop I don't get to escalate at all. I casually drop the liquor I have back at my apartment and when she finishes her coffee I get no resistance to her coming back to my place for a drink.

We get back to my place, get her on my couch listening to music over vodka/orange juice, make out, and move to the bedroom "because she almost knocked my computer over." Standard escalation from here. I get the "I don't want to have sex" pretty quickly and do my usual "OK no problem" while continuing to escalate and even get her to let me put a condom on (had to go to level 2 of Roosh's condom line). The plan was to pull her panties to the side and bang but she pulled her pants up far enough to make that impossible. Eventually made her cum from fingering her and settled for a BJ.

No notch from this one but I don't think I would have gotten this far if I hadn't played it according to the formula. The logistics in particular were pretty key in making it an easy decision for her to come back with me since it was the only way she could drink. Intentionally not using the "makeout token" never came into play since we were in a coffee shop, but there could have been the same plausible deniability at work since she could tell herself she was coming back for a drink and "just to make out." Props to Tuth and everyone else who's helped hash this out.

[Deluge]

What's Roosh's condom line?

Also, it sounds like her being underage cockblocked you. If she was 21 and you had gone to a couple bars instead of just one coffee shop before heading back to your place your chances probably would've been higher. But that was completely out of your control so don't worry about it.

[gringochileno]

(04-02-2012 04:04 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

What's Roosh's condom line?

"Let me get something, just in case." If they say no, follow up with "for rubbing, just so we're completely safe." In my experience, if you have to go to level 2 there's a high likelihood that she really doesn't want to have sex.

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Also, it sounds like her being underage cockblocked you. If she was 21 and you had gone to a couple bars instead of just one coffee shop before heading back to your place your chances probably would've been higher. But that was completely out of your control so don't worry about it.

Very possible. I think it might have also worked in my favor, though, by giving her an iron-clad excuse to come back with me (she can't drink anywhere else). Not sure whether the benefits outweigh the costs.

[Lothario]

Yo ! P Dog

(04-02-2012 04:04 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

What's Roosh's condom line?

Something along the lines of

Wait a second , let me get something, If girl acts surprised, say just for rubbing so I do not touch my fluids to your body......

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If she was 21 and you had gone to a couple bars instead of just one coffee shop before heading back to your place your chances probably would've been higher.

P Dog in US under 21 can not enter places where alcohol is served.....

[at350zguyy]

(04-02-2012 07:47 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Yo ! P Dog

(04-02-2012 04:04 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

What's Roosh's condom line?

Something along the lines of

Wait a second , let me get something, If girl acts surprised, say just for rubbing so I do not touch my fluids to your body......

Quote:

If she was 21 and you had gone to a couple bars instead of just one coffee shop before heading back to your place your chances probably would've been higher.

P Dog in US under 21 can not enter places where alcohol is served.....

Lothario,

This 2nd point you make isnt necessarily true. In New Orleans people under 21 can enter bars during the day. At night, they are only a little more strict, but with girls it is not strict at all. That has to be one of the easiest places to pull.

[Lothario]

(04-02-2012 09:47 AM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 07:47 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Yo ! P Dog

(04-02-2012 04:04 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

What's Roosh's condom line?

Something along the lines of

Wait a second , let me get something, If girl acts surprised, say just for rubbing so I do not touch my fluids to your body......

Quote:

If she was 21 and you had gone to a couple bars instead of just one coffee shop before heading back to your place your chances probably would've been higher.

P Dog in US under 21 can not enter places where alcohol is served.....

Lothario,

This 2nd point you make isnt necessarily true. In New Orleans people under 21 can enter bars during the day. At night, they are only a little more strict, but with girls it is not strict at all. That has to be one of the easiest places to pull.

Well then I will have to visit New Orleans sometime to test what you say is true my friend, So far in my book this is the easiest place to full, field tested and pulled ......

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11692.html

[_DC_]

Great Post!

What, if any, altercations would you make if their was making out on the first meeting. Let's say we were at a bar, hung out for a few hours, did some making out, but could not secure the bang?

I'm at least pretty sneaky with my makeouts. I don't like making public displays anyway and I think most of the quick little makeouts were between a few bars.

Is it too much to suggest to just meet at your place, have a few drinks, and "hang out"?

[WesternCancer]

I'll hopefully be using this today, sadly shes only 18 so she can't go to any bars (they are really strict about IDing around here) so I'll have to substitute with some other kind of initial venue. Then transition back to my place for some "wine I drank when I was in spain last summer" (I've never been to spain but my old roommate was spanish so I know enough about spain). She is from OKC and has a few pictures that are making me worried shes a secret internet fatty. Lets hope not.

[TheBulldozer]

(04-29-2012 04:42 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

I'll hopefully be using this today, sadly shes only 18 so she can't go to any bars (they are really strict about IDing around here) so I'll have to substitute with some other kind of initial venue. Then transition back to my place for some "wine I drank when I was in spain last summer" (I've never been to spain but my old roommate was spanish so I know enough about spain). She is from OKC and has a few pictures that are making me worried shes a secret internet fatty. Lets hope not.

Always look at a girl's arms in her profile pictures if her size is ambiguous. The arms give it away. Chances are if you can't see her whole body, there's a reason why. But hell, she's 18. Have fun bro.

[WesternCancer]

Thanks for the words of wisdom, but fatness was not the only problem. She was slightly overweight, but more "thick" than anything, pretty congruent with her online pictures. This bitch had bad skin and greasy hair, one of the hugest turn offs for me. Because she was 18 we went to the mall, she dropped 200 on a bag maxing out her credit card, she never made eye contact, I flirted with the store attendants because i was that damn bored. I didn't even run much "game" I just rambled like a motherfucker because she was giving me nothing to work with. Eventually we head back to my place and she complains about being hungry and wants to go to this place that is way out of my budget (I'm a poor university kid, mcdonalds is over budget for me). We go to dairy queen because it looked delicious as shit and I always think of younger girls wanting to get ice cream (bitches love ice cream). She nearly budges in front of me in line to get in on my order, luckily I had cash in hand and handed it over before she ordered. She gave me a look. STILL NO EYE CONTACT. Whatever, we walk around more (I figured she needed the exercise). She complains again about being hungry (how does a large blizzard not satisfy you? I was done after a mini). We get back to my place and I employ the methods described here. After about 10 minutes I go for the makeout, like described in the recipe she tries to eat my face, she makes out horribly and her teeth scrape my lip every time she goes at it. Total highschool makeout, and on top of that her mouth tastes funny. My boner is pathetic at best so I suggest we drink a bit and watch a movie. 2 hrs and a bottle of wine later I stillcant get it up. She won't leave my house so i have to tempt her with more fast food and walk her to the bus stop on the way. She also would talk about exes or guys who are really creepy to her (betas) and I felt bad for my sex. 5 minutes after she gets on the bus I get a text "I had a lot of fun today and you're really sexy" I go home, look in the mirror and confirm my sexiness, I have the perfect amount of stubble, I should have been on a date with a girl I could have been day gaming.

Highlight of the date:
- me: I always find that people either act or look like their favorite animal...
- her: I like belugas!!!111
- me: /stares at forehead
her forehead was like a 5 head but stuck out like she had just been hit there. I think thats what killed my boner.

[Veloce]

oof, that's rough

[WesternCancer]

Yeah, but there are some positives.
- Back in the day I'd be hard pressed to soberly go for a makeout, hell I even had trouble in the past going for one after some drinks. Now I just visualize it and tell myself I have to do it there is no other time, or you'll never see her again.
- beginning to see patterns in female behaviour/speech
- I didn't ask her to come to my place, I just took her there. Again reinforcing the concept of making her decisions for her. and not asking for permission. If she doesn't want to come to my place she'll say so when she realizes shes on the way there.

[Tuthmosis]

(04-30-2012 12:09 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

Thanks for the words of wisdom, but fatness was not the only problem. She was slightly overweight, but more "thick" than anything, pretty congruent with her online pictures. This bitch had bad skin and greasy hair, one of the hugest turn offs for me.

This is proof that if you have misgivings about an online date, the chances are very high that your instinct is correct. Only once do I remember the reverse happening: the girl drastically exceeded my somewhat low expectations. She was, in fact, considerably skinnier and prettier than in her pictures.

[scorpio]

yeah, I mean the odds of a hot slampiece in her prime hooking up off OKC is pretty low. Even if they contact you. In fact, if they are stating that they are looking for casual sex, take that with a grain of salt. A good chance is that they are looking to attention whore and string guys along.

Take Exhibit A.

This hot slampiece visited my page, so I sent her a message. Just based on her responses, I could tell she was full of shit and canned her after three sent messages.

   

Take Exhibit B.

This chick is not as hot as Exhibit A, but claimed to have an open marriage. This chick didn't merit more than one message sent.

   

[Gmac]

I would say you're mostly correct scorpio. Most of the time the hotties steer clear of dating sites. In my experience this trend is changing, online dating is becoming more commonplace and acceptable. Though generally speaking, you won't find 9s or 10s because they get swamped with messages and scared away. Or yeah, they become attention whores.

[Spike]

delete

[Spike]

(05-01-2012 06:33 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

[quote] (01-25-2012 05:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Thanks, man. Let me know how your experimentation works out. Seriously. I'm continuing to hone this knife and seeing results. I'd actually like to add a small insight to this that I've been observing recently.

Addendum:

So, one interesting twist that I've noticed lately is that the invitation back to your place after one round of drinks can work on another level: girls' cheapness (or general broke-ness, especially with younger prospects in today's economy). Girls are way more aware of money, I think, that we tend to be. We expect to spend money on pussy. We, in fact, budget it in as "bitch money." They often get away with never having to drop any coin. Plus, girls--especially the cute, young ones we're after--tend to have shitty, low-paying jobs, if any at all.

If you've dropped the I'll-grab-the-first-round line and then, at some point, suggest you get a second round elsewhere, she's anticipating having to open her wallet. But if you suddenly follow that up with the suggestion that you grab that second round at your place, she recognizes that she might not have to pick up the tab after all. Second round is also on you. Of course, she knows this will mean going back to your place, but combined with the fact that you haven't made out yet (so that she has that all-important plausible deniability), saving $15-20 and having a little innocent make-out session makes a lot of sense.

It's kind of hard to describe, but I've had a couple of girls jump all over the idea in a way that suggested this. This is insight, I think, worth keeping in mind.

Man, this advice rocks ! Since i'm specialized in travel game and booze is cheap abroad i never thought about this much but this is some rock solid advice. I usually have a bottle of the local booze in my (hotel)room and say i want to try it out with a local. This sometimes pulls them over the line.
But playing into the cheapness of the girl is very cunning advice especially in countries where girls don't make a lot of money.

[HiFlo]

yo whats queued up on ur playlist man?

[anewtypedude]

What if I know an ONS isn't happening. Is it better to kiss her in the venue or wait until the second date to get her back to my house and then escalate?

[dk902]

(05-16-2012 08:41 AM)anewtypedude Wrote:  

What if I know an ONS isn't happening. Is it better to kiss her in the venue or wait until the second date to get her back to my house and then escalate?

How do you know? Did you try and invite her to your house? Did you get her sat next to you looking at pictures on your laptop then you tried to bang her and she resisted?

Only if you've tried all the tricks in your book to no avail, then you can surely say a one night stand is not happening.

[slubu]

I've been having a lot of success with this. But there are two things that keep coming up that I need help with:

1. How long do you try to bust through LMR? Last night for example, I reinitiated like 5x, kept trying to push over the course of 60 minutes, but she would pull back and come back then pull back again. Kept saying she had to leave, if she stayed bad things would happen, etc. Which I obviously saw as a sign to keep going but after like 5x of her pushing my hand away from her vag I gave up.

2. In my experience, when she does NOT go all the way, then one of two things happen: 1) I bang the next date, or 2) I never hear from her again. My question is how do I minimize the second one? My feeling is that she gets buyer's remorse and feels like a slut for getting on my bed, pulling her tits out, etc., and/or thinks all I want is sex (which I do). And because of that she rationalizes that and does not want to come back again. What are some tactics against that? Is there something you can text/say that makes her more likely to not get in that frame where she's ok with coming back?

[Praetor]

This is some of the best shit I've ever read. I can't wait to score a nice place in Philly / NYC and run the gamut myself, and confirm that it will indeed work for me too. It's thanks to contributions like yours that this community is still going so strong

[DLuzhin]

Here's something on taking good pics; apparently the key to being photogenic is the jawline:

http://lifehacker.com/5906963/instantly-...pular=true

[soup]

God, I love this thread. Total masterpiece. I'm about to run it right now in fact.

To distract her from using the iphone, I'm going to have her watch a cool music video when I go in to the kitchen to make the drinks this time.

I wish there was a trick to get them to turn the iphone off earlier in the date.

[Tuthmosis]

(06-01-2012 09:09 PM)soup Wrote:  

God, I love this thread. Total masterpiece. I'm about to run it right now in fact.

To distract her from using the iphone, I'm going to have her watch a cool music video when I go in to the kitchen to make the drinks this time.

I wish there was a trick to get them to turn the iphone off earlier in the date.

Why would you leave her in the living room? I'd bring her in with me and ask her "to help" (which just means sitting around and listening to more of your rap while you slap some drinks together). Leaving a girl alone, regardless of what video you put on, is a sure-fire way to have her:

1. Check her phone
2. Check the time
3. Over-think being "in some random guy's house"

Short-circuit the hamster until you two start drinking. By the time you take your first bathroom break (usually right before making your first make-out move) she will have disengaged from her distractions a lot more and engaged with the experience you're putting together.

Not only that, having her observe you making the drinks makes it that much less likely that she can manufacture a fiction that you "slipped something into her drink," if things happen to go south. Even though a chick who is determined to invent something will anyway, a lot of these broads start to believe their own lies.

I aim for transparency and clarity. It's like a restaurant that shows you how clear its kitchen is: you trust them more.