[xmlenigma]

(02-28-2012 11:41 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 01:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Tuth, what are your fixed responses? I usually just say nothing or am like "ok," or "You're right, we shouldn't be doing this."

I take a funny tack, since that's my game anyway. Needless to say, it's all in the delivery.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: Whatever, dude. If not having sex with you. Stop flattering yourself.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: You're such a disgusting person. Always thinking about sex.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: I'm not having sex with your-ass. I'm not some dirty man-whore who just sleeps with whoever. I wan't you to respect me as a man.

Etc. Etc.

Whatever I say, I say it while I'm biting her neck, fingering her, and/or sucking on some titties. It's the funniest shit to me. They almost always laugh and get more into it. It's uncanny.

I like. Funny. Not sure if/ when my brains will say this

[Tuthmosis]

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers.

I won't lie: I'm one chatty-ass cathy. That's my game, from first approach to nut-busting. I live and die by my mouthpiece. Some chicks dig it, others don't.

I've actually always admired you laconic players. While, I can tone it down and adjust for different situations, that's not my natural state. I'm a natural story-teller and jokester.

[drymarro]

(02-28-2012 11:09 PM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 11:19 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-26-2012 03:54 PM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

basilransom-

I took a look at your College Game Guide and it looks really solid, but you recommended kissing the girl on the dance floor before you've gotten her back to your room/place, while Tuth recommends the opposite (even though the 2 are slightly different scenarios). Do you think kissing her earlier is better for college game, since if you wait her friends might break up the tension that gets her back to your room in the first place (for both the kiss and bang), or do you think trying to get her back to your place before trying anything is a better idea (SEE: above comment)?

Haha I'd probably be embarassed by what I wrote then... But as for college night game - your best bet is to start talking to a girl, and then getting her on the dance floor after a few minutes of conversation, make out after a few minutes of grinding. You'll probably have to stay out until the bars close or the party starts clearing out. Try and jump too early and you might seem hungry/creepy. You can also do it in reverse order, dance and kiss, and then talk, if you see a girl you like on the dance floor, but youre make-out to bang ratio will probably be lower that way. If you start with the dancing first though, you still should talk a little, whisper funny things in her ear, etc.

I don't think Tuth's "wait to build tension" approach is appropriate for college night game because 1) there's tons of competition ready to pounce and 2) she's hammered and the music's blaring. The freshmen girls are easier to impress, but harder to separate from their friends, at least at my school. You may want to test their willingness to part with their friends, early on in the seduction, to ensure they won't leave you empty-handed at game point. Maybe try isolating them to a different part of the party/bar. If you have any other questions, ask.

I tried the kiss later approach advocated by Tuth, and I like it. Going to try it some more. +1.

Yeah, I thought it might be hard to apply in college, thanks for confirming.
Unlucky how this type of thread/strategy pops up right as I'm heading towards a situation where it doesn't really apply, oh well. I don't wanna derail the thread so I'll just PM you questions about college game or bump one of the other threads.

EDIT: Anyway, +1

Well you could still apply it if you take the girl out somewhere on a date.

[Giovonny]

(02-28-2012 11:41 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.

Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: Whatever, dude. If not having sex with you. Stop flattering yourself.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: You're such a disgusting person. Always thinking about sex.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: I'm not having sex with your-ass. I'm not some dirty man-whore who just sleeps with whoever. I wan't you to respect me as a man.

Etc. Etc.

Whatever I say, I say it while I'm biting her neck, fingering her, and/or sucking on some titties. It's the funniest shit to me. They almost always laugh and get more into it. It's uncanny.

I love this reverse psychology shit!!

[gringochileno]

(03-01-2012 02:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers.

I won't lie: I'm one chatty-ass cathy. That's my game, from first approach to nut-busting. I live and die by my mouthpiece. Some chicks dig it, others don't.

I've actually always admired you laconic players. While, I can tone it down and adjust for different situations, that's not my natural state. I'm a natural story-teller and jokester.

I admire you cats who are seemingly never lacking for a good story or a witty riposte. I can get into that state but I naturally gravitate toward being more chill and going with the flow instead of trying to force it by endlessly bullshitting. One of my weaknesses to this day is that I can run out of gas when I'm dealing with a chick who can't at least partially hold up her end of a conversation.

Reminds me of one my favorite movie scenes:

[Samseau]

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers. My late game is very minimalist--I go on the theory that once clothes start coming off you're more likely to hit her hamster trip-wire with something you say than you are by just disengaging her verbally while you concentrate on heating her up. When I get the "I'm not having sex with you" line I almost always say "OK no problem" and keep going like I'm a caveman who got unfrozen yesterday and barely speaks her language.

If you're gonna use your mouth for talking once you're on the home stretch you'd better know what the fuck you're doing, which obviously both of you do, or you're just as liable to shoot yourself in the foot. It seems like it works if you use words to either hit her funny bone (Tuth) or get her hornier (Samseau). I'd say it's advanced move though, and when in doubt the right thing to do in this situation is shut the fuck up and make her want the dick.

It depends. If the girl is giving a real bitch-vibe or difficult attitude, then going silent usually isn't going to work to well. She'll just push you away or something like that.

So you gotta soften them up with words, and humor is a good way through it. If she's just shy or nervous, silence is usually the good way to go.

[oldnemesis]

(02-26-2012 01:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Yes, but I've had a lot of girls lose their sexual drive when high. It's a psychoactive drug, so there's no telling how they'll react to it.

Correct. That's why you give them some crappy schwag. Leave the good stuff for your and your friends. As long as you are taking the grass from an impressive-looking jar and telling her how you bought it right in Amsterdam and smuggled it into US through the customs, she won't say a thing even if she thinks you're lying.

You can share some good weed with her once she gives you an exceptionally good head and swallows - as this is what female friends should do, so she's a friend now.

[soup]

Just got back from a failed first date.

In general this recipe has worked like a charm. The only thing I did different was meet up with her at 8pm. Also, I bounced her to another bar instead of my place because she didn't seem ready.

The girl had a pretty face, but was progressive and kind of tomboy like (chin length hair). I tried to make sure to do a lot of takeaways.

When dealing with that kind of girl, is it better to ramp up the attraction with negs etc.?

[Deluge]

(03-01-2012 02:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers.

I won't lie: I'm one chatty-ass cathy. That's my game, from first approach to nut-busting. I live and die by my mouthpiece. Some chicks dig it, others don't.

I've actually always admired you laconic players. While, I can tone it down and adjust for different situations, that's not my natural state. I'm a natural story-teller and jokester.

You and me both. Plus I've always been a really confident public speaker/presenter. Already having those skillsets is a godsend gamewise.

[Sebastian]

Thanks for lots of good info.
I set up the date with this blonde (8.5~9) whom I met at the club.
I was thinking about kissing her at the bar to impress the crowd (there would be some girls I know)
but I guess I should hold it.
How about just kissing on the forehead? I usually do that when teasing them and they giggle like a little girl.
'come here little sister, kiss, that's all you gonna get tonight, smile' (they usually say 'OMG that's all you gonna get too!!')

I have a ice cream store so it won't be a problem to bounce to my shop (after business hours)
because they think it's a Public Place, not my house I will throw 'have you tried ice cream with Baileys?' as a hook.

However, I def want to avoid Buyer's remorse. I'd rather bang her on 3rd date and keep banging her than just banging her once on first date. Is there a way to avoid this? If I act like a gentleman 'hey just make out tonight', what are the consequences?
She is a hot woman with a brain, not some slutty looking hot chick.

[oldnemesis]

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers. My late game is very minimalist--I go on the theory that once clothes start coming off you're more likely to hit her hamster trip-wire with something you say than you are by just disengaging her verbally while you concentrate on heating her up.

Why do you need the clothes to come off? All you need is to lower her pants a little. If she wears a skirt - as she should - nothing might need to come off at all. It is psychologically easier to have the first time sex with clothes on. Then after you fucked her for ten minutes clothes typically come off without any resistance anyway.

[Moma]

(03-01-2012 05:40 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

(03-01-2012 02:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers.

I won't lie: I'm one chatty-ass cathy. That's my game, from first approach to nut-busting. I live and die by my mouthpiece. Some chicks dig it, others don't.

I've actually always admired you laconic players. While, I can tone it down and adjust for different situations, that's not my natural state. I'm a natural story-teller and jokester.

I admire you cats who are seemingly never lacking for a good story or a witty riposte. I can get into that state but I naturally gravitate toward being more chill and going with the flow instead of trying to force it by endlessly bullshitting. One of my weaknesses to this day is that I can run out of gas when I'm dealing with a chick who can't at least partially hold up her end of a conversation.

Reminds me of one my favorite movie scenes:

John was so high in that film that I think speaking was a difficulty for him. That skag had him twisted on another level...

[Lothario]

Alright Tuth and All, I am reporting a case that your recipe was applied to and l got 2 quarters of a bang, I think ?

Bare with me Players this is going to be long winded but seriously need y'll to giude me .............

Twist to the recipe is location wasn't my hometown , Location is East Village NYC, I got a loft apt all to myself through airbnb. Apt was perfect, Living room with TV / audio system that I can plug in my I phone to, Bed slightly separated from living room and a lot of character to the apt, I think the owner read tuth's recipe too all the lights had dimmer switches to it as well .....................

Target: American born Indian girl thet I met a year ago at a educational meeting, she was giving me doe eyes at that meeting, logistics weren't right and we stayed in touch q 3-4 months via email/text.

I was travelling to NYC and set up plans to meet her............... Huge Virtual + 1 to caligula who helped me with spots to go to and putting a lock down on places. I visited all the places a day before and had a drink or two and memorized the doorman's/Bartenders names , Potent drinks they serve etc.....

Met at 8:00 PM at a Bar not too busy not too slow, so we can talk and get into comfort phase, she got a potent cocktail, I got a watered down drink she wanted to pay, insisted and paid for it bounced Next place I had booked a table at a Speakeasy kind of a place and got her a Mui Thai , By now she had warmed up already and lots of kino was going on, She puts her head on my shoulder, started rubbing my arm .... I could have easily kissed her there but didn't , hardest part for me was not kissing when things are going well but managed to stay cool...

Bounced to the third place Hookah Bar/Food/Dance , Had fun for about 1.5 -2, and started walking to my place while smoking cigs.... and as per pre-planned Anchor told her to lets go to my place and try that Spanish wine we talked about earlier, no resistance going to apt.

Got to the apt, told her to take shoes off/house rules (I told her that this is my sisters's friends apt who I know from my childhood) , On to the Sofa, started a soft play list, puored a glass of wine , 10- 15 min Later , I Kiss her, Ramped up the Kino and started advancing like a mofo......., Lift her up on to the bed, take her dress off , take my shirt off and we are all over, and she goes wait, I donot even know you very well, I told her me neither, got back to kissing, sucking her titties, she started breathing heavily, wouldn't let me take off her panties and stops and tells me "She's Traditional " I told her so am I and went bak to kissing her , Panties came off, she is grabbing my Junk , she goes "it's ok we can fool around but we are not having sex" i was like what ever That's fine .. started feeling third base , my hand was drenced , finger banged her , My cock about an Inch from Target and she says donot put it in , she started stroking my Penis and with all that built up tension I went kaboom , shit i ejaculated pre maturely................Ding it.......... She was fine with it..., We are cuddling again, I finer bang her she climax, I knew I had One round left in me, she started sucking my nipples and I got hard again but damn she wouldn't let me put it in, After about an hour of all this she gave a nice Hand job again.......

No Bang but Hand Job X 2, Not exactly the way I would have liked this to end but pretty good consolation prize......

I apologize you guys had to read my long winded sort of lay report but what's the lesson here for me, What I did I do wrong ?

I think I will get the bang next time we meet, we went in to deep comfort after our mutual release and talked for about an hour and also texted me when she got home and thanked me for a wonderful time

Seriously lay it to me how I could have converted this into a Lay ?

[Tuthmosis]

(03-10-2012 11:33 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I apologize you guys had to read my long winded sort of lay report but what's the lesson here for me, What I did I do wrong ?

You did nothing wrong. If like 99 percent of guys, you had fallen into the trap of kissing her at the venue, that's all you would have gotten that night. Instead, you busted a nut on your first date. That makes it that much more likely that you'll bang on the second. As I mention in the OP, this either gets you the bang or gets you a lot closer than you would have gotten with the conventional wisdom. Nice work. Keep us posted.

[Samseau]

Quote:

My cock about an Inch from Target and she says donot put it in , she started stroking my Penis and with all that built up tension I went kaboom , shit i ejaculated pre maturely................Ding it

The only advice I can give to you, Lothario, is to work on your control. Had you more sexual stamina you would have gotten the bang.

[Deluge]

"I'm traditional" - gets naked in front of you and rubs you off twice. As a brown guy, this shit makes me laugh SO hard.

Anyway, great work dude. Will you be in NYC to set up another date? Also, I'm guessing using airbnb in Manhattan is ridiculously expensive? (airbnb prices look overinflated everywhere to me).

[Blaze Frazier]

Lothario, like Samseau said, you just came too quick. Work on that. I laughed my ass off once I read that. I knew something was going to happen and that was that.

[at350zguyy]

I have a related story in NYC but I don't think it counts as an first date bang.

When I first joined the forum, I posted about a girl I met at the airport and went on a date with the next evening. I've stayed in touch with her on and off, usually when I find myself in NYC I hit her up but she's either been away or sick.

Fast forward to roughly a year later and I hit her up again while I was in town for work. I had some courtside seats to the Knicks game and didn't really feel like bringing my boss with me so I hit this girl up and asked her if she wanted to go. Turns out she could get off work early that night and she joined me for the game. I figured I could capitalize on the Linsanity craze and turn it into a bang.

This girl got tipsy at the Garden off of a few beer. I don't drink, so any time she bought one for me she ended up drinking it. After the game we walked on the MSG floor for a little bit and then bounced outta there to a small pub nearby where she gets a little more liquor into her. The whole time at the pub and in MSG there was a lot of kino going on and I knew I was gonna get it as long as I didn't kiss her until getting into her place. We huddled up next to one another in a booth at the pub and she kept trying to undo my pants right then and there. I knew it was time to get back to her place, so we hop in the car and drive to her place in Queens.

I didn't have to ask to use the bathroom or anything she just took my by the hand and said you're spending the night with me. She couldn't even close the door before she was unzipping my pants. This girl was a 23 year old virgin with a killer body. Best bang of my life. Don't think I would have been able to pull it off without this forum. I don't think it would have been good for me to spend the night with her because I probably would have skipped work the next 2 days to bang her some more.

[Lothario]

@ Tuth : Thanks for posting the blueprint to the First Date bang which maximizes the chance for a Bang.....

@ Samseau : Yes I need to work on my sexual Stamina, Guide me homes......., I know first round I cam quick, second round We fooled again for 45 min or so , but she wouldn't ley me put it in, I settled for a Hand-Job, Did I compromized early ? or my Goal should be Bang or Nothing

@ P-Dog: Shit Desi/Brown Girls say is no different then shit test given by any other girl....... " I'm Traditional" was funny though, I was like Bitch please spare me......

[soup]

(03-12-2012 07:54 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

@ Tuth : Thanks for posting the blueprint to the First Date bang which maximizes the chance for a Bang.....

@ Samseau : Yes I need to work on my sexual Stamina, Guide me homes......., I know first round I cam quick, second round We fooled again for 45 min or so , but she wouldn't ley me put it in, I settled for a Hand-Job, Did I compromized early ? or my Goal should be Bang or Nothing

@ P-Dog: Shit Desi/Brown Girls say is no different then shit test given by any other girl....... " I'm Traditional" was funny though, I was like Bitch please spare me......

Lothario- it's probably an anxiety thing if you don't have any kind of medical dick problems. You might have an enlarged prostate. You can get an exam for that. The cure (this is what my doc told me) is to have a lot of orgasms and take hot baths for 45 min every day.

Anyway, you got to listen to your dick. If he's ready to come before he's in the pink, then slow down. At least slowdown enough to get one notch pump in.

Then you can recharge and bang her out the rest of the night.

[Lothario]

(03-10-2012 12:21 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

You did nothing wrong. If like 99 percent of guys, you had fallen into the trap of kissing her at the venue, that's all you would have gotten that night. Instead, you busted a nut on your first date. That makes it that much more likely that you'll bang on the second. As I mention in the OP, this either gets you the bang or gets you a lot closer than you would have gotten with the conventional wisdom. Nice work. Keep us posted.

Howdy Tuth you asked me to keep you posted, here is an e-mail I received from this Chica, a Little pretext....... Close to ending the date she told me I give off the vibe of James Deen in " Rebel without a cause"
I didn't knew who the Fuck he was at that time and the first thing I did when she left was to see Wikipedia page on James Dean,

Quote:

Hi ...... ,

Thanks for the info about ....... I had a great time that
night!! I think the words I would use to describe you are wild and fun
and a little bit crazy! (James Dean is a little different but you
remind me of him too sometimes). The next time you're in town, we'll
have to visit the Bulgarian bar.

Now that the show is over, I can pay more attention to Lex Luther.
I'll let you know how it goes. Good luck with the restaurants in
Florida!

Take care,
.........

I think it's a Bang next time

have I started giving off the right kind of vibe, What do you guys think ?

[MHaes]

On point post chap, on point.

[Samseau]

Quote:

@ Samseau : Yes I need to work on my sexual Stamina, Guide me homes......., I know first round I cam quick, second round We fooled again for 45 min or so , but she wouldn't ley me put it in, I settled for a Hand-Job, Did I compromized early ? or my Goal should be Bang or Nothing

Try masturbating if you notice you're especially horny the day you're going to meet up with a girl. Blow a load about 8-9 hours before you meet her. Helps relieve tension and should keep you horny, but not too horny.

[xmlenigma]

As someone once said, she has to (or you have to make her) THINK / VISUALIZE/ IMAGINE having sex with you before she will.

The IDEA has to popup in her head. e.g. Girls I've kissed have always told me they thought about it/ were ready BEFORE I did.

And I think this "not having sex" is the result of the following mental thought train..

Feeling attracted / sexual tension > tension/ attraction makes her feel sexual > thinks about sex.. (present or past experience from memory) > thoughts from her ASD part in brain + past emotional/ mental drama/ hurt from serious/ casual stuff.. > Mental/Emotionally WANTING SEX, but Logical Brain DENYING the WANT.. VERBALLY!

So if she said it after a certain point in the seduction.. It means she ACTUALLY is THINKING IT & wants it underneath, but she's afraid of doing it.. (logical brain)

(02-27-2012 01:56 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 01:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Yes, they say this verbatim almost everytime: "I'm not having sex with you."

What's beautiful about this recipe is that it so clearly reveals the vagina/hamster dichotomy. It's almost like the more they say they aren't going to, the more certain it is that the bang will take place.

Yeah, famous last words for sure. I get it almost every time too. I think they do it because it's "worked" in the past when they said it to some dude who didn't know any better and tried to argue with her instead of using the correct strategy of agreeing with her while continuing to escalate physically. At this point it's music to my ears when I hear her say that because it means I'm getting close.

Why are you more likely to bang the more she says it? Easy. The more she says she's going to have sex with you, the more she's thinking about having sex with you.

(02-27-2012 07:08 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-27-2012 01:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

Yes, they say this verbatim almost everytime: "I'm not having sex with you."

This line must have come down in some official memo, because they say that, word for word, to me too. I have a couple of fixed responses to it that I've used so many times I sometimes wonder if they can tell.

(02-29-2012 02:09 AM)gringochileno Wrote:  

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers. My late game is very minimalist--I go on the theory that once clothes start coming off you're more likely to hit her hamster trip-wire with something you say than you are by just disengaging her verbally while you concentrate on heating her up. When I get the "I'm not having sex with you" line I almost always say "OK no problem" and keep going like I'm a caveman who got unfrozen yesterday and barely speaks her language.

If you're gonna use your mouth for talking once you're on the home stretch you'd better know what the fuck you're doing, which obviously both of you do, or you're just as liable to shoot yourself in the foot. It seems like it works if you use words to either hit her funny bone (Tuth) or get her hornier (Samseau). I'd say it's advanced move though, and when in doubt the right thing to do in this situation is shut the fuck up and make her want the dick.

(02-29-2012 07:49 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

Maximum reply: Ok, sure. Whatever you want. (If its pre heating)
Once in heat.. No talk.
One step back, 2 steps forward. If you know how to turn her on, just keep it simmering, until she boils... then she'll rip her stuff off and want you..

"Sure..Whatever you want.." (so her logical brain hears that and thinks okay.. I am in control.. and he's gonna only do whatever I want, not more.. and he heard what I said.. & follow that..)

..Physical-Emotional-Sexual brain.. ( continues to get heated up until it overpowers the logical brain).

Girl has actually told me this.. Once I get turned on to a certain point.. I cant stop! you've got to stop me or do me

[soup]

I've got an idea on how deal with awkwardness that might arise when you bring up the possibility of going back to your place.

There are two things that could happen if you mention something like "..actually, why don't we go back to me place for round two. I live a few blocks from here."

a) She says "OK"

b) The awkward pause before she says "um.. I don't know" or something like that.

So, when the pause hits, you flip the script and preempt her response. Maybe say something like "But you have to promise that you're not going to try to pull any funny business." This way, you are letting her know that you can empathically read her (connect with her on emotional level), creating an us-against-on-the-same-team vibe, and you are sort of making fun of her over-blown 'fears' at the same time.

I haven't tried this yet, but I got this idea after watching the latest Californication where he's heading home with a girl and the whole time he's saying something like "Ok, but don't try to get me to sleep with you." I think something like this might work if you've already established a witty, joking rapport with the girl.

What do you guys think?