[slubu]

This is unbelievable. I'm never doing another first date any other way.

Girl 1
Set up the date so she comes to my place at 8:30 and I drive us from there. She asked where we were going, and I even borrowed your line of a cool lounge by me. Came by and parked her car, had to bring her in for a second to register her for guest parking. Took off to a very nice bar/lounge by me, had a drink there and chatted a bit. Some kino, etc. On the menu asked her if she ever had a lychee martini and she said no. Of course I have the ingredients to make one, so that was my hook back to my place. Went back, made the drink, took her in the bedroom forgot why. Anyway got her down to her underwear and she gave too much LMR which I could have probably pushed through if not for being lazy. Some fingerbanging and off she went. Admittedly I did not do a good enough job on everything, no music set up, no lighting dimmed, etc. Sadly never saw her again because I'm also trying to go out with her friend too which I prefer so that closed down this avenue.

Girl 2
Same thing, came over, went to the same lounge. It was a Saturday night this time and super crowded so after one drink went to lounge 2 for another drink. Used the first round is on me line. Brought up the moscow mule drink I know how to make, told her let's go have it at my place after the 2nd drink. Came back, I have a 3dtv so that was what got her in the bedroom, went at it. Had music and lighting down. Full bang, and she gave a lot of LMR but I argued around it. Very annoying personality though. But as Akon says doesn't matter had sex.

Girl 3
Same thing. Came over, went to lounge 2 talked had 2 drinks each, then back to my place for the moscow mule/3dtv combo. Full bang again, no resistance whatsoever.

This was from Thursday, Saturday, Monday of last week. Had another girl lined up for Thursday again but she flaked. Now I'm almost as interested in the statistically success rate than the bang itself. Seriously though an abundance of thanks to Tuthmosis for developing and more importantly sharing this recipe.

If only I could figure out what the hell is wrong with me when approaching girls (I just don't do it many times, for no fucking reason) I could be having a lot more sex because everything after the approach I can handle.

[Basil Ransom]

Had a date last night that should've went a lot farther. I'm realizing that I need to impose a three drink minimum. I have to make sure they get at least three drinks so that they can't leave before I have a chance to escalate. These are chicks that have driven to my place. I've been getting these chicks who seem genuinely into me, but they have stupid reasons for leaving early. It almost seems like a power thing, that they have to leave on their terms. Or they know that if they stay any longer, they will lose control and bang me, so they leave before that can happen.

In combination with the three drink minimum, I have a suggestion for a possible tool for the player's arsenal:

   

The Breathalyzer.

You can try telling her that she should wait a little before she drives back, and she might say, "no, I think I'm fine." Whip out one of these, she blows higher than the legal limit (0.08), and she'd be hard-pressed not to drive. Hell, you wouldn't even need an accurate one. It could just blow 0.12 every time you try it, though if she asks to try it again an hour or two later and it hasn't gone down, she could get suspicious and stop believing it at all.

There are keychain ones, so it wouldn't be that weird to whip one out. Apparently there are also smartphone apps for calculating one's BAC, but these might be harder to butcher, plus they're probably less convincing. Good breathalyzers cost up to $300, but maybe I can find one that suits my purposes (exaggeratedly high readings) for cheap.

Edit: Having trouble finding any that are cheap and consistent. Best so far is this - http://www.amazon.com/BACtrack-Bt-ss08-5...817&sr=1-1 $4 a pop because it's disposable. Would prefer something that'll give consistently high readings though.

[YoungGunner]

I know this is designed for 1st date bangs but is it possible to apply the "withhold the make out until she's at your place" and "I need to drop off some stuff at my place/room" in the college party environment?

Say there are multiple parties going on at any given night; since girls go out in groups, I might have to kiss her and use up my
"make out token" to get her to come back to my room/place. If I don't, her friends might think she's not doing anything important and drag her to another location/party, or she might treat me as "one of dozens of guys I'm only gonna dance with tonight, nothing more since he didn't make a move." Even if I pre-empt her by telling her "you can't stay too late bc I've got work to do," her friends might still keep her from coming over. I could tell her "Let's go back to my room/place for more shots/so you can see my/so I can drop off my (guitar, art, etc.), but let's find your friends first so they know where you are."


So the dilemma here is whether or not to kiss her before getting her back to your place. If you don't, you run the risk of her getting distracted by her friends/other guys throughout the night, even if she likes you, since there are SO many thirsty dudes for her to get attention from, and in her mind she hasn't "actually done anything with you." If you do make out before, she might be more hesitant to go back to your place since she knows you two have already made out and doesn't have that plausible deniability.

[oldnemesis]

(12-24-2011 01:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Girls under 21 can just be invited back to your place for drinks/movie.

Or to smoke some weed.

[Samseau]

(02-25-2012 09:09 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 01:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Girls under 21 can just be invited back to your place for drinks/movie.

Or to smoke some weed.

Yes, but I've had a lot of girls lose their sexual drive when high. It's a psychoactive drug, so there's no telling how they'll react to it. It's better to use weed as a lure back to your apartment, but once there don't smoke till you've had sex.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-26-2012 01:57 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 09:09 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(12-24-2011 01:17 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Girls under 21 can just be invited back to your place for drinks/movie.

Or to smoke some weed.

Yes, but I've had a lot of girls lose their sexual drive when high. It's a psychoactive drug, so there's no telling how they'll react to it. It's better to use weed as a lure back to your apartment, but once there don't smoke till you've had sex.

A visual representation of what you kind gentlemen are talking about.

   

[Samseau]

[Tuthmosis]

(02-25-2012 04:32 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Had a date last night that should've went a lot farther. I'm realizing that I need to impose a three drink minimum. I have to make sure they get at least three drinks so that they can't leave before I have a chance to escalate. These are chicks that have driven to my place. I've been getting these chicks who seem genuinely into me, but they have stupid reasons for leaving early. It almost seems like a power thing, that they have to leave on their terms. Or they know that if they stay any longer, they will lose control and bang me, so they leave before that can happen.

Another solution is to pour heavy-handed drinks. I tend to make things a little on the stronger side, but not to the extent that it seems like an obvious attempt to get them drunk. When the invariably say, "whoa, this is strong," I respond with: "that's right! I take care of my guests. I'm not chintzy with the alcohol. And, that's good shit right there." I play up my generosity. I ham it up. Sometimes, if the vibe is right, I make a subtle rape joke: "just wait till the roofy kicks in. Oh, shit, wait...I hope I gave you the right one. Don't take advantage of me if I pass out." Also learn drinks that mask alcohol. Make fruity, sweet drinks. Use vodka. Right now, I'm starting to learn about which brands have slightly higher proof levels. Every little bit counts.

The I-suddenly-gotta-leave-for-something excuses are the inevitable cost of doing business. The best you can do is have a ton of responses and objection-removers in place. I'm currently staying in a place where people tend to rely on public transport, which stops running at a certain point. When they say, "I gotta make the last train/bus"--which is the bane of my existence--I respond with a totally casual, whatever tone: "fuck it. Hang a little longer. I'll split a cab with you." This has been working really well. You're on the hook, but not for the whole bill. It conveys, I think, just the right amount of interest and commitment to the night.

The hardest ones are "I have to work tomorrow" or "I have to get up a [insert obscenely early hour] tomorrow." I'm experimenting with a new (and probably controversial in this crowd) process for this that I'm planning on writing up as soon as I have enough data and can defend it properly.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-26-2012 02:25 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-25-2012 04:32 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

Had a date last night that should've went a lot farther. I'm realizing that I need to impose a three drink minimum. I have to make sure they get at least three drinks so that they can't leave before I have a chance to escalate. These are chicks that have driven to my place. I've been getting these chicks who seem genuinely into me, but they have stupid reasons for leaving early. It almost seems like a power thing, that they have to leave on their terms. Or they know that if they stay any longer, they will lose control and bang me, so they leave before that can happen.

Another solution is to pour heavy-handed drinks. I tend to make things a little on the stronger side, but not to the extent that it seems like an obvious attempt to get them drunk. When the invariably say, "whoa, this is strong," I respond with: "that's right! I take care of my guests. I'm not chintzy with the alcohol. And, that's good shit right there." I play up my generosity. I ham it up. Sometimes, if the vibe is right, I make a subtle rape joke: "just wait till the roofy kicks in. Oh, shit, wait...I hope I gave you the right one. Don't take advantage of me if I pass out." Also learn drinks that mask alcohol. Make fruity, sweet drinks. Use vodka. Right now, I'm starting to learn about which brands have slightly higher proof levels. Every little bit counts.

The I-suddenly-gotta-leave-for-something excuses are the inevitable cost of doing business. The best you can do is have a ton of responses and objection-removers in place. I'm currently staying in a place where people tend to rely on public transport, which stops running at a certain point. When they say, "I gotta make the last train/bus"--which is the bane of my existence--I respond with a totally casual, whatever tone: "fuck it. Hang a little longer. I'll split a cab with you." This has been working really well. You're on the hook, but not for the whole bill. It conveys, I think, just the right amount of interest and commitment to the night.

The hardest ones are "I have to work tomorrow" or "I have to get up a [insert obscenely early hour] tomorrow." I'm experimenting with a new (and probably controversial in this crowd) process for this that I'm planning on writing up as soon as I have enough data and can defend it properly.

Well, my logistics are a little different. I have girls driving to my place, and then we walk to the bars from there. The drinks I did have were at the bar, and not my place. But what happens is we walk back to my house, which is about where her car is, and then she hesitates to get in the house, or to stay for long. That's why the breathalyzer schtick might work wonders, especially if she hasn't eaten or drank anything since the alcohol. If they're taking public transit, obviously, it would be useless.

I think I'll have her sit down, we put down our jackets, and then I'll go up to the bar alone, 'get the first round,' order the drinks, bring them back. That way, I can get a pseudo-alcoholic drink for myself for the first round, plus get a couple shots while I'm ordering and guilt her into taking them with me.

I also made out with her first outside after the bar, and not at my house. You advised not to make out until you're back at her place, which might get the girl more likely to stay so she can get the kiss. On the other hand, there's also the chance she won't go in the house for long, and then you won't even get a makeout. Given though that chicks I don't bang on the first date fizzle out a very high rate, maybe not getting even a kiss on the first date isn't so bad - because I wouldn't see her again anyway.

Do you get frustrated with these chicks? Sometimes, you just know, when they're in your house, and they're into you, that it's just a matter of time until they bang you. Then the battle is just keeping them there. I can see them thinking, 'banging this guy now is NOT a good idea, and if I stay it's definitely going to happen.'

BTW, Knob Creek is a great bourbon and it's 50% alcohol. There are some other 100 proof whiskeys as well. Maybe not so chick friendly though.

[ElJefe]

(02-26-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

BTW, Knob Creek is a great bourbon and it's 50% alcohol. There are some other 100 proof whiskeys as well. Maybe not so chick friendly though.

Mint Juleps or a Bourbon and Ginger Ale (twist of lime). Very masculine, but girls often like them, especially if your generous with the sugary stuff.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-26-2012 03:08 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(02-26-2012 03:04 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

BTW, Knob Creek is a great bourbon and it's 50% alcohol. There are some other 100 proof whiskeys as well. Maybe not so chick friendly though.

Mint Juleps or a Bourbon and Ginger Ale (twist of lime). Very masculine, but girls often like them, especially if your generous with the sugary stuff.

Southern Comfort with the sweet lime juice tastes great, the alcohol is nearly undetectable. All the sugar though would probably give you a hell of a recovery. You could just save the sweet stuff for her and drink bourbon by itself though.

[YoungGunner]

basilransom-

I took a look at your College Game Guide and it looks really solid, but you recommended kissing the girl on the dance floor before you've gotten her back to your room/place, while Tuth recommends the opposite (even though the 2 are slightly different scenarios). Do you think kissing her earlier is better for college game, since if you wait her friends might break up the tension that gets her back to your room in the first place (for both the kiss and bang), or do you think trying to get her back to your place before trying anything is a better idea (SEE: above comment)?

[billbudsocket]

Hi Tuth,

I'm new to game and I've used this on 4 girls in the past month with 100% success. I'm not sure how much not kissing them on the date contributes to success but the tension that builds by not kissing them IS noticeable. I mention having an apt in town early on, then again later in the date on about it being nearby. I have a room that I rent in an upscale house (just for banging) that is close to the places I use for dates and so when I take girls back we go straight to my room.

The first girl I used this on, I had her down to her bra/panties, and she kept saying, "I'm not having sex with you", and I was just like "ok"... then 15 minutes later we're fucking.

I almost always end up sharing a bottle of water with the girl when we get to the bedroom. One thing that I've found that is golden is red wine. I keep a carton of red wine and a bottle of water on a small bookshelf next to the bed. I haven't yet had a girl turn down a glass of wine, even "non drinkers". A glass of wine really loosens them up.
With my setup the only place to sit is on my bed so escalating from there is easy. I fiddle with my music for a couple minutes while letting them take in the environment, and then go from there. The other thing is I have a bathroom connected to my bedroom (always very clean), girls usually want to freshen up and I have mouthwash next to the sink - girls always use it.
Attention to the little details definitely pays off in the end.

Thanks Tuth!

[soup]

(02-27-2012 12:48 PM)billbudsocket Wrote:  

Hi Tuth,

I'm new to game and I've used this on 4 girls in the past month with 100% success. I'm not sure how much not kissing them on the date contributes to success but the tension that builds by not kissing them IS noticeable. I mention having an apt in town early on, then again later in the date on about it being nearby. I have a room that I rent in an upscale house (just for banging) that is close to the places I use for dates and so when I take girls back we go straight to my room.

The first girl I used this on, I had her down to her bra/panties, and she kept saying, "I'm not having sex with you", and I was just like "ok"... then 15 minutes later we're fucking.

I almost always end up sharing a bottle of water with the girl when we get to the bedroom. One thing that I've found that is golden is red wine. I keep a carton of red wine and a bottle of water on a small bookshelf next to the bed. I haven't yet had a girl turn down a glass of wine, even "non drinkers". A glass of wine really loosens them up.
With my setup the only place to sit is on my bed so escalating from there is easy. I fiddle with my music for a couple minutes while letting them take in the environment, and then go from there. The other thing is I have a bathroom connected to my bedroom (always very clean), girls usually want to freshen up and I have mouthwash next to the sink - girls always use it.
Attention to the little details definitely pays off in the end.

Thanks Tuth!

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Yes, they say this verbatim almost everytime: "I'm not having sex with you."

What's beautiful about this recipe is that it so clearly reveals the vagina/hamster dichotomy. It's almost like the more they say they aren't going to, the more certain it is that the bang will take place.

[gringochileno]

(02-27-2012 01:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Yes, they say this verbatim almost everytime: "I'm not having sex with you."

What's beautiful about this recipe is that it so clearly reveals the vagina/hamster dichotomy. It's almost like the more they say they aren't going to, the more certain it is that the bang will take place.

Yeah, famous last words for sure. I get it almost every time too. I think they do it because it's "worked" in the past when they said it to some dude who didn't know any better and tried to argue with her instead of using the correct strategy of agreeing with her while continuing to escalate physically. At this point it's music to my ears when I hear her say that because it means I'm getting close.

Why are you more likely to bang the more she says it? Easy. The more she says she's going to have sex with you, the more she's thinking about having sex with you.

[Tuthmosis]

(02-27-2012 01:06 PM)soup Wrote:  

Yes, they say this verbatim almost everytime: "I'm not having sex with you."

This line must have come down in some official memo, because they say that, word for word, to me too. I have a couple of fixed responses to it that I've used so many times I sometimes wonder if they can tell.

[Basil Ransom]

(02-26-2012 03:54 PM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

basilransom-

I took a look at your College Game Guide and it looks really solid, but you recommended kissing the girl on the dance floor before you've gotten her back to your room/place, while Tuth recommends the opposite (even though the 2 are slightly different scenarios). Do you think kissing her earlier is better for college game, since if you wait her friends might break up the tension that gets her back to your room in the first place (for both the kiss and bang), or do you think trying to get her back to your place before trying anything is a better idea (SEE: above comment)?

Haha I'd probably be embarassed by what I wrote then... But as for college night game - your best bet is to start talking to a girl, and then getting her on the dance floor after a few minutes of conversation, make out after a few minutes of grinding. You'll probably have to stay out until the bars close or the party starts clearing out. Try and jump too early and you might seem hungry/creepy. You can also do it in reverse order, dance and kiss, and then talk, if you see a girl you like on the dance floor, but youre make-out to bang ratio will probably be lower that way. If you start with the dancing first though, you still should talk a little, whisper funny things in her ear, etc.

I don't think Tuth's "wait to build tension" approach is appropriate for college night game because 1) there's tons of competition ready to pounce and 2) she's hammered and the music's blaring. The freshmen girls are easier to impress, but harder to separate from their friends, at least at my school. You may want to test their willingness to part with their friends, early on in the seduction, to ensure they won't leave you empty-handed at game point. Maybe try isolating them to a different part of the party/bar. If you have any other questions, ask.

I tried the kiss later approach advocated by Tuth, and I like it. Going to try it some more. +1.

[soup]

Tuth, what are your fixed responses? I usually just say nothing or am like "ok," or "You're right, we shouldn't be doing this."

[Menace]

(02-27-2012 12:48 PM)billbudsocket Wrote:  

the date on about it being nearby. I have a room that I rent in an upscale house (just for banging) that is close to the places I use for dates and so when I take girls back we go straight to my room.

THIS is a great idea. I have a house in MD suburbs and we all know how crucial logistics is. I have been toying with the idea of renting an apt. downtown near all the action, but renting a room sounds like an even better (cheaper plan) idea.

[YoungGunner]

(02-27-2012 11:19 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-26-2012 03:54 PM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

basilransom-

I took a look at your College Game Guide and it looks really solid, but you recommended kissing the girl on the dance floor before you've gotten her back to your room/place, while Tuth recommends the opposite (even though the 2 are slightly different scenarios). Do you think kissing her earlier is better for college game, since if you wait her friends might break up the tension that gets her back to your room in the first place (for both the kiss and bang), or do you think trying to get her back to your place before trying anything is a better idea (SEE: above comment)?

Haha I'd probably be embarassed by what I wrote then... But as for college night game - your best bet is to start talking to a girl, and then getting her on the dance floor after a few minutes of conversation, make out after a few minutes of grinding. You'll probably have to stay out until the bars close or the party starts clearing out. Try and jump too early and you might seem hungry/creepy. You can also do it in reverse order, dance and kiss, and then talk, if you see a girl you like on the dance floor, but youre make-out to bang ratio will probably be lower that way. If you start with the dancing first though, you still should talk a little, whisper funny things in her ear, etc.

I don't think Tuth's "wait to build tension" approach is appropriate for college night game because 1) there's tons of competition ready to pounce and 2) she's hammered and the music's blaring. The freshmen girls are easier to impress, but harder to separate from their friends, at least at my school. You may want to test their willingness to part with their friends, early on in the seduction, to ensure they won't leave you empty-handed at game point. Maybe try isolating them to a different part of the party/bar. If you have any other questions, ask.

I tried the kiss later approach advocated by Tuth, and I like it. Going to try it some more. +1.

Yeah, I thought it might be hard to apply in college, thanks for confirming.
Unlucky how this type of thread/strategy pops up right as I'm heading towards a situation where it doesn't really apply, oh well. I don't wanna derail the thread so I'll just PM you questions about college game or bump one of the other threads.

EDIT: Anyway, +1

[Tuthmosis]

(02-28-2012 01:33 PM)soup Wrote:  

Tuth, what are your fixed responses? I usually just say nothing or am like "ok," or "You're right, we shouldn't be doing this."

I take a funny tack, since that's my game anyway. Needless to say, it's all in the delivery.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: Whatever, dude. If not having sex with you. Stop flattering yourself.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: You're such a disgusting person. Always thinking about sex.

Girl: I'm not having sex with you.
Tuthmosis [with trademark smirk and continued escalation]: I'm not having sex with your-ass. I'm not some dirty man-whore who just sleeps with whoever. I wan't you to respect me as a man.

Etc. Etc.

Whatever I say, I say it while I'm biting her neck, fingering her, and/or sucking on some titties. It's the funniest shit to me. They almost always laugh and get more into it. It's uncanny.

[Tuthmosis]

This has also happened more than once.

After banging.

Girl: I thought "you weren't having sex with me."
Tuthmosis: The flesh is weak.

[Samseau]

(02-28-2012 11:53 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

This has also happened more than once.

After banging.

Girl: I thought "you weren't having sex with me."
Tuthmosis: The flesh is weak.

Ahahahahahahaha


Here's a line I like:

Her: "I'm not having sex with you."
You: "When did I say we're having sex? You'll have to get my pants off for that."

Boom. Flip the script.

Continue to take her clothes off. She might resist, but as long as your pants are on you'll have plausible deniability. So no matter what she says after this, you can just say "Don't think you'll get me to take off my pants that easily."

Once she's totally naked, and you're finger banging her so good she's drowning in pleasure, bring your face up to her ear and whisper to her...

You: "Does this feel good...?"
Her: "Yeah..."
You: "Do you want to feel better...?"
Her: "Yeah..."
You: "Take my pants off..."

And, like magic, she'll start to unbuckle/unbutton your pants.

[gringochileno]

Damn, you guys are some talkative motherfuckers. My late game is very minimalist--I go on the theory that once clothes start coming off you're more likely to hit her hamster trip-wire with something you say than you are by just disengaging her verbally while you concentrate on heating her up. When I get the "I'm not having sex with you" line I almost always say "OK no problem" and keep going like I'm a caveman who got unfrozen yesterday and barely speaks her language.

If you're gonna use your mouth for talking once you're on the home stretch you'd better know what the fuck you're doing, which obviously both of you do, or you're just as liable to shoot yourself in the foot. It seems like it works if you use words to either hit her funny bone (Tuth) or get her hornier (Samseau). I'd say it's advanced move though, and when in doubt the right thing to do in this situation is shut the fuck up and make her want the dick.

[xmlenigma]

Maximum reply: Ok, sure. Whatever you want. (If its pre heating)
Once in heat.. No talk.
One step back, 2 steps forward. If you know how to turn her on, just keep it simmering, until she boils... then she'll rip her stuff off and want you..