[Tuthmosis]

(05-17-2012 11:31 AM)slubu Wrote:  

1. How long do you try to bust through LMR? Last night for example, I reinitiated like 5x, kept trying to push over the course of 60 minutes, but she would pull back and come back then pull back again. Kept saying she had to leave, if she stayed bad things would happen, etc. Which I obviously saw as a sign to keep going but after like 5x of her pushing my hand away from her vag I gave up.

2. In my experience, when she does NOT go all the way, then one of two things happen: 1) I bang the next date, or 2) I never hear from her again. My question is how do I minimize the second one? My feeling is that she gets buyer's remorse and feels like a slut for getting on my bed, pulling her tits out, etc., and/or thinks all I want is sex (which I do). And because of that she rationalizes that and does not want to come back again. What are some tactics against that? Is there something you can text/say that makes her more likely to not get in that frame where she's ok with coming back?

Keep in mind that there are certain things that are simply out of your control. You keep your foot on the gas for a while and see what happens, but sometimes they're not going to break down. You either get it on a subsequent time, or they decide that they're afraid or unwilling to bang you. Oftentimes, you can get time-wasters and tire kickers out of the way by pressing the envelope this way. Any girl who's serious about banging--even if not on the first date--will "get it."

The others will look for guys who will hold their hand for 7 dates before they give them a hand job and commit to a full relationship before they allow penetration.

[soup]

(06-01-2012 10:02 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Not only that, having her observe you making the drinks makes it that much less likely that she can manufacture a fiction that you "slipped something into her drink," if things happen to go south. Even though a chick who is determined to invent something will anyway, a lot of these broads start to believe their own lies.

I aim for transparency and clarity. It's like a restaurant that shows you how clear its kitchen is: you trust them more.

I usually do this by bringing the drinks back and taking a sip from each one to "test the taste," and then give her one.

[anewtypedude]

(05-16-2012 03:40 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 08:41 AM)anewtypedude Wrote:  

What if I know an ONS isn't happening. Is it better to kiss her in the venue or wait until the second date to get her back to my house and then escalate?

How do you know? Did you try and invite her to your house? Did you get her sat next to you looking at pictures on your laptop then you tried to bang her and she resisted?

Only if you've tried all the tricks in your book to no avail, then you can surely say a one night stand is not happening.

I knew because something came up and I had to run.

[RougeNoir]

One thing we did in college as a way to escalate was when she made it to your house was to have the room temperature a few degrees cooler than normal. Of course, set this up before you leave, but don't make it so cold that it's an arctic blast when you all arrive back. She will be more ready to get closer to you; on the other hand, it can backfire and she'll make you give her extra clothes which will become another obstacle in any LMR.

[Screwston]

(06-26-2012 10:52 PM)RougeNoir Wrote:  

One thing we did in college as a way to escalate was when she made it to your house was to have the room temperature a few degrees cooler than normal. Of course, set this up before you leave, but don't make it so cold that it's an arctic blast when you all arrive back. She will be more ready to get closer to you; on the other hand, it can backfire and she'll make you give her extra clothes which will become another obstacle in any LMR.

I've acted like my AC is broken in 100+ weather so they can casually get half naked

[Forza]

(06-27-2012 06:04 AM)houston Wrote:  

I've acted like my AC is broken in 100+ weather so they can casually get half naked

Thats awesome. Its hot as satans balls where I am now

[Stun]

I like the way this is written out in such detail, thanks dude!

I have been doing a variation of this (actually Brad P's Perfect Date) for about 2 years with OKCupid girls.

Only major difference, is I like to venue bounce at least 2-3 places before coming to my apt. Maybe someone with crazy tighter game can pull off going only one place.

Also, I find it's better to get them to your place before the bar, or early on, if at all possible. I usually just say I want to get my jacket. I just grab it and leave, but I've found the girl's are more likely to come back to your place at the end of the first night if they've seen it first.

[_GQ_]

Quality stuff from Tuth, will be applying this once I have my studio decked out the way I want it. Have a question for you vets though. Suppose that you're talking to a woman you just met and one way or another she tells you the general area where she lives. Is it a good idea to suggest drinks at a place near her place, or would that make intentions too obvious?

[gringochileno]

(10-09-2012 12:13 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  

Quality stuff from Tuth, will be applying this once I have my studio decked out the way I want it. Have a question for you vets though. Suppose that you're talking to a woman you just met and one way or another she tells you the general area where she lives. Is it a good idea to suggest drinks at a place near her place, or would that make intentions too obvious?

I pick a bar within walking distance of my apartment. I used to be down with the "weasel your way into her place" school of thought but now I think it's safer to drop your bachelor pad bait and get her back to your place where you control the vibe and there are fewer variables (roommates, etc). If you want to try to go back to her place, though, I don't think it's too obvious to suggest a venue near where she lives. She'll probably be fine with it because it means less travel time for her and less risk of getting stood up.

[soup]

One thing I've noticed is that If a girl protests to going to your house on the first date, and you've already teased her about it ("what's the worst that can happen?" etc.), and she still says "no," then it's better to eject and get another opportunity before the night wastes away.

[soup]

Great post by Krauser on Chick Crack during a date:

I’ve been back out on a few dates lately and in high spirits after a period of utter laziness and apathy with women. Looking back, I think I was overdoing the poker-face / uninvested aura where I’d not say much, move slowly, and make the girls invest. There’s nothing wrong with it but I have more fun when I’m being active and teasing, making the girl giggle, squeal and pout. So the last few dates I shook off the lethargy and dusted off my old Chick Crack mini-routines. These are little pre-scripted routines you can drop into a conversation at opportune moments to give it spice, up the alpha, and hit an attraction spike. Recent ones I used…

1. That’s so cool

Imagine you’re pottering around a shopping mall or market, looking at clothes, accessories and whatnot. Your attention is suddenly taken by something against the far wall. You tap her shoulder and indicate

Me: “Wow, that’s really cool!”
Her: “What? What is it?” (comes closer)
Me: “Oh… no…. it’s just me” (point at reflection, chuckle)

Do that three or four times during the date as you pass reflective surfaces.

2. I know what she’s thinking

You are walking down the street with the girl on your arm or perhaps sitting on an underground carriage with her leaning into you. You notice some passerby looking at you both, perhaps out of curiosity or boredom. You whisper into your girl’s ear:

Me: “That girl is totally checking us out”
Her: “Yes, I noticed”
Me: “I know what she’s thinking. I can tell”
Her: “What?”
Me: “She’s thinking how on earth did she find such a cool guy. She’s jealous”

Again rinse repeat several times during the date until it’s a running joke.

3. That’s because you’re a woman

You’ll be in conversation about how your day went, your future plans and so on. Quite naturally she’ll tell you her minor worries such as trying to decide what to get a friend as a birthday present, or completing some application forms for a job. When she verbalises her confusion or anxiety:

Me: That’s quite understandable really
Her: Mmm…..
Me: With you being a woman
Her: (doesn’t know what you mean)
Me: And only having a little woman-sized brain. Like a pea. It can’t be easy using it to make decisions

Hold your ground with a frame of cheerful misogyny and give physical comfort like a little squeeze on her hand or shoulder.

4. That spot over there

I’m walking through Camden Market with my Russian girl spouting the usual jibber-jabber about the area such as this place used to be a stables or that place sells good leather jackets. I point out a stall ten metres away.

Me: Can you see that retro clothes shop over there, with the red and white sign?
Her: Yes, I think so
Me: When we get to that shop, I’m going to kiss you

Then take your sweet time getting there, looking at all sorts of tat in the other stalls while she gets impatient for the kiss.

5. I’m tough

Anytime you are describing an experience that involves (mild) fear or pain, such as a horror movie, a rollercoaster ride, stubbing your toe getting out the bath finish with this flourish:

Me: There were ten of us in the cinema room with all the lights out watching the movie. It was pretty scary
Her: (listens)
Me: Well, I wasn’t scared. Obviously. I’m tough. But everyone else was scared. Possibly even crying.

or

Me: The sparring was quite hard. We did about twenty minutes in three minute rounds. At one point Lee caught me with a clean right hand, right on the nose
Her: ouch!
Me: I didn’t feel anything. Obviously. I’m rock. But it would’ve knocked out a normal man.
Her: (giggles)
Me: He probably hurt his hand. My body is like high tensile steel. Touch here. See! It’s like touching a tank isn’t it.

[chakri]

(12-22-2011 08:55 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

But, the percentage of girls who "balk" at coming back to the apartment after the make-out is very high, though. They know you want to go fuck now. A very DTF girl will still come with you, but why unnecessarily eliminate the regular girls who will likely become DTF in the comfort of your pad?

I screwed up on this part last week, made out with the girl at the first-venue but then couldn't manage to bring her back.

Would your formula work for a second date bang attempt (assuming she doesn't flake, obviously)? Or no, since I've already made out with her?

[ABDada]

The "no shoes" rule is gold at my actual apartment (I have a very expensive rug in the living area), but it hurts if we go to my city lounge. That place is over 3000 square feet (loft) and really dusty.

If you have a gigantic space, one thing that works is to keep a pair of lady's slippers around (but not too obvious). Toss them in the bathroom or the guest room or whatever. If she bitches about the shoes, tell her "Oh, my little sister left her slippers here a few months ago, let me go dig them up."

Problem: solved.

[seeker04542]

(02-27-2012 11:19 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(02-26-2012 03:54 PM)YoungGunner Wrote:  

basilransom-

I took a look at your College Game Guide and it looks really solid, but you recommended kissing the girl on the dance floor before you've gotten her back to your room/place, while Tuth recommends the opposite (even though the 2 are slightly different scenarios). Do you think kissing her earlier is better for college game, since if you wait her friends might break up the tension that gets her back to your room in the first place (for both the kiss and bang), or do you think trying to get her back to your place before trying anything is a better idea (SEE: above comment)?

Haha I'd probably be embarassed by what I wrote then... But as for college night game - your best bet is to start talking to a girl, and then getting her on the dance floor after a few minutes of conversation, make out after a few minutes of grinding. You'll probably have to stay out until the bars close or the party starts clearing out. Try and jump too early and you might seem hungry/creepy. You can also do it in reverse order, dance and kiss, and then talk, if you see a girl you like on the dance floor, but youre make-out to bang ratio will probably be lower that way. If you start with the dancing first though, you still should talk a little, whisper funny things in her ear, etc.

I don't think Tuth's "wait to build tension" approach is appropriate for college night game because 1) there's tons of competition ready to pounce and 2) she's hammered and the music's blaring. The freshmen girls are easier to impress, but harder to separate from their friends, at least at my school. You may want to test their willingness to part with their friends, early on in the seduction, to ensure they won't leave you empty-handed at game point. Maybe try isolating them to a different part of the party/bar. If you have any other questions, ask.

I tried the kiss later approach advocated by Tuth, and I like it. Going to try it some more. +1.

I think you're dead-on with this, subtlety is lost on women until their early-mid 20s, the older they get the more receptive they become.

[seeker04542]

(03-08-2012 07:04 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Thanks for lots of good info.
I set up the date with this blonde (8.5~9) whom I met at the club.
I was thinking about kissing her at the bar to impress the crowd (there would be some girls I know)
but I guess I should hold it.
How about just kissing on the forehead? I usually do that when teasing them and they giggle like a little girl.
'come here little sister, kiss, that's all you gonna get tonight, smile' (they usually say 'OMG that's all you gonna get too!!')

I have a ice cream store so it won't be a problem to bounce to my shop (after business hours)
because they think it's a Public Place, not my house I will throw 'have you tried ice cream with Baileys?' as a hook.

However, I def want to avoid Buyer's remorse. I'd rather bang her on 3rd date and keep banging her than just banging her once on first date. Is there a way to avoid this? If I act like a gentleman 'hey just make out tonight', what are the consequences?
She is a hot woman with a brain, not some slutty looking hot chick.

I think you're right on with giving a "platonic" kiss, I prefer the cheek to the forehand but whatever you're comfortable with. Lets her know you want to go for a real one but doesn't "blow her cover" by making her decide whether or not to engage in PDA.

[seeker04542]

(03-10-2012 11:33 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Alright Tuth and All, I am reporting a case that your recipe was applied to and l got 2 quarters of a bang, I think ?

Bare with me Players this is going to be long winded but seriously need y'll to giude me .............

Twist to the recipe is location wasn't my hometown , Location is East Village NYC, I got a loft apt all to myself through airbnb. Apt was perfect, Living room with TV / audio system that I can plug in my I phone to, Bed slightly separated from living room and a lot of character to the apt, I think the owner read tuth's recipe too all the lights had dimmer switches to it as well .....................

Target: American born Indian girl thet I met a year ago at a educational meeting, she was giving me doe eyes at that meeting, logistics weren't right and we stayed in touch q 3-4 months via email/text.

I was travelling to NYC and set up plans to meet her............... Huge Virtual + 1 to caligula who helped me with spots to go to and putting a lock down on places. I visited all the places a day before and had a drink or two and memorized the doorman's/Bartenders names , Potent drinks they serve etc.....

Met at 8:00 PM at a Bar not too busy not too slow, so we can talk and get into comfort phase, she got a potent cocktail, I got a watered down drink she wanted to pay, insisted and paid for it bounced Next place I had booked a table at a Speakeasy kind of a place and got her a Mui Thai , By now she had warmed up already and lots of kino was going on, She puts her head on my shoulder, started rubbing my arm .... I could have easily kissed her there but didn't , hardest part for me was not kissing when things are going well but managed to stay cool...

Bounced to the third place Hookah Bar/Food/Dance , Had fun for about 1.5 -2, and started walking to my place while smoking cigs.... and as per pre-planned Anchor told her to lets go to my place and try that Spanish wine we talked about earlier, no resistance going to apt.

Got to the apt, told her to take shoes off/house rules (I told her that this is my sisters's friends apt who I know from my childhood) , On to the Sofa, started a soft play list, puored a glass of wine , 10- 15 min Later , I Kiss her, Ramped up the Kino and started advancing like a mofo......., Lift her up on to the bed, take her dress off , take my shirt off and we are all over, and she goes wait, I donot even know you very well, I told her me neither, got back to kissing, sucking her titties, she started breathing heavily, wouldn't let me take off her panties and stops and tells me "She's Traditional " I told her so am I and went bak to kissing her , Panties came off, she is grabbing my Junk , she goes "it's ok we can fool around but we are not having sex" i was like what ever That's fine .. started feeling third base , my hand was drenced , finger banged her , My cock about an Inch from Target and she says donot put it in , she started stroking my Penis and with all that built up tension I went kaboom , shit i ejaculated pre maturely................Ding it.......... She was fine with it..., We are cuddling again, I finer bang her she climax, I knew I had One round left in me, she started sucking my nipples and I got hard again but damn she wouldn't let me put it in, After about an hour of all this she gave a nice Hand job again.......

No Bang but Hand Job X 2, Not exactly the way I would have liked this to end but pretty good consolation prize......

I apologize you guys had to read my long winded sort of lay report but what's the lesson here for me, What I did I do wrong ?

I think I will get the bang next time we meet, we went in to deep comfort after our mutual release and talked for about an hour and also texted me when she got home and thanked me for a wonderful time

Seriously lay it to me how I could have converted this into a Lay ?

In my limited experience with situations like this I think Asian chicks will sometimes pull this more often (everything up to the yoni and lingam getting together literally)…don't be too hard on yourself especially if you suffer from what they now call "rapid ejaculation" (as I do).

[seeker04542]

(03-12-2012 01:24 PM)at350zguyy Wrote:  

[snipped]This girl was a 23 year old virgin with a killer body. Best bang of my life. Don't think I would have been able to pull it off without this forum. I don't think it would have been good for me to spend the night with her because I probably would have skipped work the next 2 days to bang her some more.

Are you sure about that virgin part lol? (jk)

[seeker04542]

(03-16-2012 02:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote:

@ Samseau : Yes I need to work on my sexual Stamina, Guide me homes......., I know first round I cam quick, second round We fooled again for 45 min or so , but she wouldn't ley me put it in, I settled for a Hand-Job, Did I compromized early ? or my Goal should be Bang or Nothing

Try masturbating if you notice you're especially horny the day you're going to meet up with a girl. Blow a load about 8-9 hours before you meet her. Helps relieve tension and should keep you horny, but not too horny.

Fwiw this has never worked for me, it has the opposite effect (although sometimes I don't blow at all but that's because I've lost interest because my drive is already depressed [which isn't necessarily great if you lose your boner].)

[RCron]

This was my first time using Tuth's formula and I was blown away at how effective it works. I'm 41yo guy and arranged a drink date with a 21yo Asian from OKC (pics showed her as a solid 9). I live in in an upscale apartment complex in OC California directly across the street from a major shopping mall with lots of bars and restaurants. I had suggested we meet there since it's "centrally located." Heh...

When we first met she looked great but probably more around an 8 as she appeared "slightly" heavier than her photos but still really hot. We settled on a swanky restaurant and sat at the bar. I used Tuth's line verbatim "what are you drinking? First round's on me" and we were off to the races. We were at the bar for probably around an hour or so and the entire time I was kinoing like a mofo (but no kisses.) Lots of arm touches, taps of her hand, quick rub of the back...all done when making a point or while we were both laughing. Throughout the conversation I learned she was a passionate jazz fan (as am I) so I knew I had the bait set for later.

As we were finishing our first round she asked if I would step outside with her so she could have a smoke. I quickly teased her about her "nasty habit" and then admitted to my own love of cigars. In true Tuth style I acted as if I had this great epiphany and suggested "hey, I'm just across the street, let's head over there and we can have a smoke and another drink while I play that music from xxxxx?" She literally jumped all over this suggestion so I settled the tab and we were off.

Once in my apartment, the shoes came off and I showed her my impressive mini bar where I proceeded to make her a screaming orgasm (if you don't know this drink, google it, it's total money for loosening a woman up) while I had my Johnny Walker Black on the rocks. We moved to the living room area and we started listening to various jazz music on my laptop for the next half hour or so. All the while, my hand casually resting on her leg, gently rubbing. As she was finishing up her drink we made eye contact and she shyly giggled and looked away. I continued to look at her and then gently turned her head towards mine and lightly kissed her. She began kissing me more aggressively and I took her drink and set it on the table. I could tell she wanted more but then she pulled back and said "if I get going, I won't stop" and again, following Tuth's instructions I quickly grabbed our drinks and said "I need another sip."

We went back to listening a little more and then she asked me to make her another drink (another screaming orgasm? No problem! heh) After a quick smoke break we went back to listening to more music and I continued my kino escalation and leg rubbing. After about 10 more minutes I went for the kiss again and she passionately responded. I then felt it was time to go for the major closing move...the gentle yet firm hair pull while kissing. To this day I'm still amazed at how doing this activates a woman's primal lust. Nonetheless she immediately straddled me and I began taking her shirt off. I had to stifle a laugh when she shyly said "is there somewhere more comfortable we can go?" From there we moved the festivities to my bedroom and the rest is history...

Sorry for the long winded post but I really wanted to give a detailed FR and also express my sincere thanks and gratitude to everyone on this board but most importantly Tuth and his amazing work of science there!

[ABDada]

RCron: Nice work -- except you ran a tab, which is one area where things can get hung up, depending on how busy the bar/pub/club is.

Awesome job. I'm almost your age, and my friends (and customers) are always shocked at the youth of the ladies I socialize with.

[RCron]

(11-12-2012 03:20 PM)ABDada Wrote:  

RCron: Nice work -- except you ran a tab, which is one area where things can get hung up, depending on how busy the bar/pub/club is.

Good point! So after we order our drinks and the bartender puts the bill in the shot glass in front of us I should immediately pay it since I already agreed to get the first round?

[ABDada]

That's the best way to handle it. Settle up immediately so you're free to bounce.

A good pal of mine in Chicago has never had a SNL (usually 3rd date), and I sent him this link. It works like magic.

He uses the excuse "I can't believe these drinks cost $20 for 2. How about we pick up a bottle, your treat, and I'll mix them better?"

Seems to work just as well as an exit excuse.

[Tuthmosis]

(11-12-2012 03:20 PM)ABDada Wrote:  

RCron: Nice work -- except you ran a tab, which is one area where things can get hung up, depending on how busy the bar/pub/club is.

My sentiments exactly. Don't open tabs.

[snoop]

(11-12-2012 04:14 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 03:20 PM)ABDada Wrote:  

RCron: Nice work -- except you ran a tab, which is one area where things can get hung up, depending on how busy the bar/pub/club is.

My sentiments exactly. Don't open tabs.

I've just left without settling it, and since they have my credit card they run it anyway and add the 15-20%. Just gotta go get it in the morning is all.

[Beyond Borders]

There's so much about solid game that could be learned from reading, re-reading, and studying the original post in this thread.