[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 10:41 AM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today.
Progress on drugs that would really impact neural degeneration or indeed even encourage and promote regeneration has been really slow/non existent. Alzheimers drugs, and there have been many attempts by some determined, well funded, and bright people, haven't had significant palliative, preventive, or curative effects for extended periods.
Good news is that I'm 32, and new classes of drugs to treat alz and similar will likely be invented, tested on human gineau pigs and early users, and available by the time I start crapping myself. It would also be nice to have a depression treatment based on my portable miniature MRI wand, but SNRIs are suitable for now.

Keep in mind that aerobic exercise is synergistic with EPA/DHA. So it should stack on even more if you have the EPA/DHA Uridine and Choline combo.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

Ok guys the pissing contest is over. We resolved it like gentleman. Thread is now open for business.
Personally I blame Neil Skywalker for making me roofie myself.

[Moma]

I am gonna buy geranium now (just woke up from clubbing last night). I usually test out new supps very tentatively.

Unfortunately, I can't do the EFA in any form (they react very negatively with my body - long story).

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 12:09 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I am gonna buy geranium now (just woke up from clubbing last night). I usually test out new supps very tentatively.

Unfortunately, I can't do the EFA in any form (they react very negatively with my body - long story).

It may be a specific kind of EFA doing the damage. You mean essential fatty acids, correct?

Since apparently I'm not expert you should disregard. From now on you need to have pictures of your PhD in pharmacology to contribute, so that counts me out. The only people that count as experts these days have terminal degrees in their fields. It's like tupac said, that's just the way it is, somethings will never change.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 10:41 AM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today.
Progress on drugs that would really impact neural degeneration or indeed even encourage and promote regeneration has been really slow/non existent. Alzheimers drugs, and there have been many attempts by some determined, well funded, and bright people, haven't had significant palliative, preventive, or curative effects for extended periods.
Good news is that I'm 32, and new classes of drugs to treat alz and similar will likely be invented, tested on human gineau pigs and early users, and available by the time I start crapping myself. It would also be nice to have a depression treatment based on my portable miniature MRI wand, but SNRIs are suitable for now.

Progress has been slow/non existent in the large dose nutraceutical approach because...Big Fuckin Drumroll please....Big Pharma and the rest of the drug companies have no way to secure patent protection over Uridine, a nucleoside abundant in foods. Sure they are trying to patent tri-acetyl uridine, which is way more expensive under patent protection and marketed as the more bioavailable form of Uridine. Why would anyone buy that at an outrageous brand named drug price, when you can get good old Uridine-5-monophospate at cut rate prices. Choline (which has been around for ever)is sold dirt cheap in supplements, and cheaply soy lecithin.

One pharma company has been marketing a pure form of EPA as the ethyl ester because they were able to obtain patent protection by adding the ethyl group to EPA, essentially turning e-EPA into nothing more than a pro-drug for EPA. What wonderful patent laws we have.

Despite the fact that these combinations are showing extremely promising results in early stage trials, they are not being moved onward toward later stage human testing for one reason, absolutely regardless of the extreme promise they show, versus other drugs in the alzheimers pipeline and it is absolutely child's play to figure out why. Those hucksters do not give a shit if they can stop suffering, I mean they only make medicines to heal us. Sure they will, as long as CRAZY profit margins are in it for them.

Sure the people in that absolutely shitty article you linked in the NYT have financial links to the companies that make these supplements. I never read about brain science in mainstream media as they give you a sensationalist view of

Who the hell do you think is funding the science that downplays this remedy or shows it to be less effective than SSRIs(also one of the biggest clinical trial shams in history. Since we rely of private drug companies to run clinical trials, there is absolutely now reason for them to test a combination like this in the time period

They can't do this with things they didn't invent, so when things that have been around for a while turn out to have great new uses, the drug companies barely profit. Novel combinations such as the EPA/DHA,Uridine, choline combination, are given trials against proven drugs that work in shorter time frames than the the UMP/DHA/Choline would be expected to work.

Basically those companies throw their financial muscle around to quash competition where there is no money to be made off of it.

Keyser I would like see the studies showing evidence that serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors are benefical in Alzheimers. Do they just mask symptoms or actually slow progression, which is the treatment we really want to aim for. This almost sounds like the not quite so recent trend of giving anti-psychotics to the elderly and those suffering dementa.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

Well we resolved the pissing contest and he appeared to back off and said those are interesting articles. My thoughts are that he was a bullshiter in the first instance and couldn't even read those links I dropped supporting my supplement regimen. Going to turn that into a data sheet for your RFV pleasure.

Who banned the keyser soze pretender anyways?

Dude called me out on what I knew and then when I busted out my links he said "Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today." I think he was on all day, never bothered to look, the least he could have done was concede that one gracefully

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 04:41 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 10:41 AM)Keyser Söze Wrote:  

Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today.
Progress on drugs that would really impact neural degeneration or indeed even encourage and promote regeneration has been really slow/non existent. Alzheimers drugs, and there have been many attempts by some determined, well funded, and bright people, haven't had significant palliative, preventive, or curative effects for extended periods.
Good news is that I'm 32, and new classes of drugs to treat alz and similar will likely be invented, tested on human gineau pigs and early users, and available by the time I start crapping myself. It would also be nice to have a depression treatment based on my portable miniature MRI wand, but SNRIs are suitable for now.

Progress has been slow/non existent in the large dose nutraceutical approach because...Big Fuckin Drumroll please....Big Pharma and the rest of the drug companies have no way to secure patent protection over Uridine, a nucleoside abundant in foods. Sure they are trying to patent tri-acetyl uridine, which is way more expensive under patent protection and marketed as the more bioavailable form of Uridine. Why would anyone buy that at an outrageous brand named drug price, when you can get good old Uridine-5-monophospate at cut rate prices. Choline (which has been around for ever)is sold dirt cheap in supplements, and cheaply soy lecithin.

One pharma company has been marketing a pure form of EPA as the ethyl ester because they were able to obtain patent protection by adding the ethyl group to EPA, essentially turning e-EPA into nothing more than a pro-drug for EPA. What wonderful patent laws we have.

Despite the fact that these combinations are showing extremely promising results in early stage trials, they are not being moved onward toward later stage human testing for one reason, absolutely regardless of the extreme promise they show, versus other drugs in the alzheimers pipeline and it is absolutely child's play to figure out why. Those hucksters do not give a shit if they can stop suffering, I mean they only make medicines to heal us. Sure they will, as long as CRAZY profit margins are in it for them.

Sure the people in that absolutely shitty article you linked in the NYT have financial links to the companies that make these supplements. I never read about brain science in mainstream media as they give you a sensationalist view of

Who the hell do you think is funding the science that downplays this remedy or shows it to be less effective than SSRIs(also one of the biggest clinical trial shams in history. Since we rely of private drug companies to run clinical trials, there is absolutely now reason for them to test a combination like this in the time period

They can't do this with things they didn't invent, so when things that have been around for a while turn out to have great new uses, the drug companies barely profit. Novel combinations such as the EPA/DHA,Uridine, choline combination, are given trials against proven drugs that work in shorter time frames than the the UMP/DHA/Choline would be expected to work.

Basically those companies throw their financial muscle around to quash competition where there is no money to be made off of it.

Keyser I would like see the studies showing evidence that serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors are benefical in Alzheimers. Do they just mask symptoms or actually slow progression, which is the treatment we really want to aim for. This almost sounds like the not quite so recent trend of giving anti-psychotics to the elderly and those suffering dementa.

Disregard this last thread in this debate. I was coming down from whisky and it turned into too much of a diatribe for me. Could be re-written but the style I did it in repulses my sober mind.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

This list has a shedload of great recommendations. Found it yesterday while googling brain supplements:

http://litemind.com/boost-brain-power/

Also, rosemary! Take it as a tea, it makes a great revision aid. More anecdotal evidence than scientific, at least that I can find, but it does build strong associations, because of the distinctive smell

[OGNorCal707]

(06-10-2012 06:20 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  

Who banned the keyser soze pretender anyways?

Dude called me out on what I knew and then when I busted out my links he said "Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today." I think he was on all day, never bothered to look, the least he could have done was concede that one gracefully

I'm pretty sure Keyser Soze was TudoBem, they pretty much posted same thoughts and had very similar writing styles.

I never called the guy out because he never bothered me as a poster, and I'm not really a "snitch", plus this is just an internet forum, so it's not like I take it too seriously.

I know he got into it with the G-Manifesto, which I'm sure irked Roosh, but I respect the fact that he would speak his mind amidst all the G-Manifesto fans.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 06:25 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

This list has a shedload of great recommendations. Found it yesterday while googling brain supplements:

http://litemind.com/boost-brain-power/

Also, rosemary! Take it as a tea, it makes a great revision aid. More anecdotal evidence than scientific, at least that I can find, but it does build strong associations, because of the distinctive smell

I haven't looked at your list, but before dude got banned we did agree that about 80% of purported brain supplements have no real benefits. Really I look for things that increase your cognitive ability slowly but surely, bit by bit at a time and it stays I could look at your list, though you might not like the critical evaluation I'd probably give most of them. All up to you if you want me to take a look.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

Not my list but go right ahead, you seem to be informed and clear-headed. Much of it is activities rather than anything dietary, which to my mind if nobody else's builds long-term changes much better.
While i can't offer scientific justification for rosemary, smells, particularly distinct ones, will help build associations. There have been studies carried out though-maybe you've come across some?
If you have to remember facts for an exam, it def. cant hurt, the smell and taste help associate with whatever you were reading
Anyway, give us your thoughts

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 06:33 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 06:20 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  

Who banned the keyser soze pretender anyways?

Dude called me out on what I knew and then when I busted out my links he said "Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today." I think he was on all day, never bothered to look, the least he could have done was concede that one gracefully

I'm pretty sure Keyser Soze was TudoBem, they pretty much posted same thoughts and had very similar writing styles.

I never called the guy out because he never bothered me as a poster, and I'm not really a "snitch", plus this is just an internet forum, so it's not like I take it too seriously.

I know he got into it with the G-Manifesto, which I'm sure irked Roosh, but I respect the fact that he would speak his mind amidst all the G-Manifesto fans.

I know he got into it with G-Manifesto. When he started debating me on this shit he seemed to be a so called "smart kid" perhaps an indian troll who had friends going to medical school so he thought he knew way more about neurochemistry and neuropharmacology than anyone on the RVF forum. Of course he understood how to take a standardized test and score well on it through hours of blood and sacrafice. How could he NOT outsmart those dumb frat boys on the RVF with their constant poosy hounding. Little did he know he was about to run into a man on the forum who was waiting for The man, and that that man walks around with as close as possible to a photographic memory as can exist in the human race, on top of near encyclopedic knowledge on almost any at least somewhat mainstream subjects(On Jeopardy, dude does not know shit about broadway musicals.) To trump it all, keyser soze had no idea that guys into game are not complete meatheads,that for this dude that the study of neurochemisty, neuropharmacology, neurology, molecular neurology, cell biology, molecular pharmacology, neurotransmitter systems, cellular second messengers like 3-5-cyclic-adenosine monophosphate equals oxygen. I breath this shit in like smelling the coffee in the morning. Not in normal conversation of course or out gaming I tone it down a notch in order not to damage their fragile egoes. Keyser soze was still heavily under the influence of Feminism and man hate when he decided to drop the line that "all brain supplements are a rip off, or some other such shit.

When I heard this I was reminded of Star Episode III."Only a sith deals in absolutes, I will do what I must." I then proceeded to bust out 5-7 research articles to back up my claims Believe me fellow game disciples, there are 2x to 3x more when i bust out the data sheet on the best brain supplement combo there is, in terms of increasing your cognitive ability, and boosting your happiness level.

I keep seeing my writing, and it looks good overall, then I see one inebriated sentence creeping somewhere around these paragraphs. What is an up and coming player to with this toss and scrambled eggs. Their calling again........

[Moma]

(06-10-2012 07:01 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

Not my list but go right ahead, you seem to be informed and clear-headed. Much of it is activities rather than anything dietary, which to my mind if nobody else's builds long-term changes much better.
While i can't offer scientific justification for rosemary, smells, particularly distinct ones, will help build associations. There have been studies carried out though-maybe you've come across some?
If you have to remember facts for an exam, it def. cant hurt, the smell and taste help associate with whatever you were reading
Anyway, give us your thoughts

Can you elaborate on strategies on how to implement rosemary smells for recall, please?

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 06:33 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 06:20 PM)ImWaitingForTheMan Wrote:  

Who banned the keyser soze pretender anyways?

Dude called me out on what I knew and then when I busted out my links he said "Those are some links worth checking out. I will get to them later on today." I think he was on all day, never bothered to look, the least he could have done was concede that one gracefully

I'm pretty sure Keyser Soze was TudoBem, they pretty much posted same thoughts and had very similar writing styles.

I never called the guy out because he never bothered me as a poster, and I'm not really a "snitch", plus this is just an internet forum, so it's not like I take it too seriously.

I know he got into it with the G-Manifesto, which I'm sure irked Roosh, but I respect the fact that he would speak his mind amidst all the G-Manifesto fans.

So it wasn't you your saying? roosh or g-maybe? keyser soze got into it with me to. I got pissed a bit because he replied to my thing by trying to neg me and clearly couldn't handle the research study links i put up so I'm glad he's booted. Asking me to find good links and then ignoring em.

[shameus_o'reaaly]

(06-10-2012 07:47 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(06-10-2012 07:01 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

Not my list but go right ahead, you seem to be informed and clear-headed. Much of it is activities rather than anything dietary, which to my mind if nobody else's builds long-term changes much better.
While i can't offer scientific justification for rosemary, smells, particularly distinct ones, will help build associations. There have been studies carried out though-maybe you've come across some?
If you have to remember facts for an exam, it def. cant hurt, the smell and taste help associate with whatever you were reading
Anyway, give us your thoughts

Can you elaborate on strategies on how to implement rosemary smells for recall, please?

Association is one thing, since the smell is very distinctive. A folk remedy for older people was to hang up bunches or put sachet of it on apillow at night if they had a bad memory.
My grandmother drank it when doing an OU degree in her 70s, which was where i learnt about it.
The herb is good for poor circulation, and an antioxidant. That may be the only tangible benefit since increasing overall circulation must increase cranial circulation, right?

I mostly stuck to drinking it though. I'd be at my desk and brew a thermos of it before i opened a book. correlation is not causation and all that, but i got better exam results than the year before.

I also found these while combing for studies on the herb, in the International Journal of Neuroscience: http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10....0390161903


I found this ages ago when i was a student and drinking it regularly: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bpb..._1620/_pdf

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

(06-10-2012 07:01 PM)shameus_oreaaly Wrote:  

Not my list but go right ahead, you seem to be informed and clear-headed. Much of it is activities rather than anything dietary, which to my mind if nobody else's builds long-term changes much better.
While i can't offer scientific justification for rosemary, smells, particularly distinct ones, will help build associations. There have been studies carried out though-maybe you've come across some?
If you have to remember facts for an exam, it def. cant hurt, the smell and taste help associate with whatever you were reading
Anyway, give us your thoughts

Thank you. I was once considering going the doctor route but decided I didn't want to be a slave at a hospital so I could get the cushier jobs in my mid 50s. Rather would have fun when I'm young than be in the rat-race

I will take a look at this later on today as I have a ton of stuff to do. Trolling the forum periodically but will be mostly busy during daylight. If I don't get back to you tonight, PM me tonight. Job interviews and updating wardrobe today

[Moma]

Bought geranium and took it yesterday around 2:12 pm (EST). Focus shortly after (say 10 mins or so), with a slight headache as reported by HiFlo. Didn't suffer from ADD but rather the opposite and was able to get a lot of studying done.

Drawback: Could not sleep last night. Was up all night with mind crying out to focus on some academic shyt. Had pockets of slumber from 3:00am to 5:00am and from 5:00am to 7:47am.

Always take breaks with new supplements so will refrain until back to 'normal' and then take it even earlier in the morning.

Seems rather interesting. Man in the workout store (where I bought it) also says it's used for a pro workout and improves the mind muscle link.

Going swimming today. Let's see how me and the pool fare.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

My data sheet on Nootropics and Cognitive enhancers is being worked on as wefap.
Barring any 6.5s coming over it will be done before 12 noon.

[Aer]

(06-11-2012 08:08 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Bought geranium and took it yesterday around 2:12 pm (EST). Focus shortly after (say 10 mins or so), with a slight headache as reported by HiFlo. Didn't suffer from ADD but rather the opposite and was able to get a lot of studying done.

Drawback: Could not sleep last night. Was up all night with mind crying out to focus on some academic shyt. Had pockets of slumber from 3:00am to 5:00am and from 5:00am to 7:47am.

Always take breaks with new supplements so will refrain until back to 'normal' and then take it even earlier in the morning.

Seems rather interesting. Man in the workout store (where I bought it) also says it's used for a pro workout and improves the mind muscle link.

Going swimming today. Let's see how me and the pool fare.

Geranium (1,3 DMAA) was in the original Jack3d. I took three scoops and ran a 5k after my workout once, and my heart didn't stop beating at 190bpm for about a half hour. I'm in great shape too, it's not like I never run.

Geranium's some scary shit while doing cardio. You'll feel like a god while doing it, but afterwards you honestly won't be able to stop breathing hard.

Watch out man, people have had heart attacks at higher levels.

[Cr33pin]

ITS ALL NATURAL TO

[MidniteSpecial]

Meditation

[BadWolf]

Computer Games.

[malc]

I'd like to call attention to a strategic shift that would make it unnecessary to do high-strung things like adderall in the first place. Some of the smartest and productive people I've ever met are the the most normal too. They just use plain pieces of paper or something like evernote/notepad to plan their life vs complicated shit from lifehacker, 43 folders or GTD. They get enough sleep, they have good relationships in their lives and they like their work so emotions, stress and other things don't get in the way. They're definitely a type B personality. They aim for effortlessness and to 'hold their sword lightly'. Life is a marathon, not an unsustainable sprint.

Quote:

When you first start fencing, the natural inclination is to grip your weapon very tightly and try to powerfully force it through your opponent's defenses.

And you wind up losing. A lot.

The right way to fence is by holding your weapon lightly and loosely. This gives you the ability to change direction rapidly, to move faster, and out-maneuver your opponent. Trying to force things makes you rigid; being flexible and holding a loose grasp lets you change direction and rapidly grab opportunities.

http://sebastianmarshall.com/hold-your-sword-lightly

Quote:

For the longest time I was obsessed with summoning up massive energies within myself to perform all the goals I had laid out for myself in life. Then, I realized that it would be much more awesome to just get there via effortlessness instead. So now I try to do things smoothly by default, and only use the massive energy once in a while.

Self-talk is a big part of this. Notice how Ronnie Coleman always yells "light weight baby!" or "ain't nuthin' but a peanut!" before he pulls or squats 800 lbs? That's what I'm talking about. Those lofty life aspirations you have? Ain't nuthin' but a peanut.

http://sebastianmarshall.com/uid/38577

[DVY]

A couple people I knew from Vegas would crush up Ritalin/Addeal and snort it when drinking.

They got all cracked out, but had super-human drinking abilities. Thoughts?

[Emancipator]

(12-08-2011 09:20 PM)kosko Wrote:  

**I bit off topic but I've always wondered if language plays a big role in intelligence in certain tasks also. I've read Chinese and most other Asian languages because of they way they are structured and how you process it logically to form speech comes as asset when learning numbers and math since the languages and mathematical steps are structured some what the same. Any truth to this for anybody whom knows other languages?

That's the basis for the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. It says that language develops intelligence, but its still of course a hypothesis.

Very interesting thing though.