[BostonBMW]

I'm a fan of the G -- much of what he talks about is a lifestyle that is complementary. Being Confident -> Custom suited -> spots on lock down -> traveling may actually increase your bankroll. I won't speak for others but I can tell you that this lifestyle change allowed me to meet and interact with a whole different set of people. Now I am not just talking women, but men too -- owners of companies, scenseters, well connected politicians etc. I have leveraged this success in getting a better paying job with decent hours, cooking up some real estate deals, and have a few apartments at my disposal (company apartments rarely used only when CEO is in town).

All of this would not be possible if I had just been a random dude hanging out at a local bar, wearing a striped shirt/jeans and a backwards red sox cap. I am not knocking that lifestyle but lets be honest, you don't get the same types opportunities or perks.

So bringing this back together: Imagine you roll up to a lounge where you waved in by the bouncers, the host greets you and directs you to the table, you know the bar tender. Being custom suited you are looking your best. If you decide swoop any girls around you, you can most likely bounce them back to an apartment overlooking the water stocked with a full bar. You've got it all:

- Confidence
- Style
- Resources

Most of all you know that if some random girl turns you down/is lame, you got many more options for the night. So why wouldn't you want this?

[Excelsior]

(05-28-2011 07:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The people here who talk about starting businesses should realize that is to some degree an innate ability, unless you do something fairly foolproof like buy a MacDonalds, which brings you back to square zero-- because you need-- IDK-- millions to do that, and where do you get it.

I pretty much agree with you on most of what you're saying here,especially saving. That is a forgotten art in this country.

Can you talk a little more about this Mcdonalds franchise thing? I'd always heard about that as an investment opportunity, but can you just briefly elaborate on what you know about that path and why its "foolproof"? I'm actually just very curious about it.

[iknowexactly]

(05-28-2011 10:10 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Can you talk a little more about this Mcdonalds franchise thing? I'd always heard about that as an investment opportunity, but can you just briefly elaborate on what you know about that path and why its "foolproof"? I'm actually just very curious about it.

My limited understanding based on hearsay is:

1) They do a lot of research before they let you open a branch. This is part of why it's expensive.

2) Part of that research involves flyovers to research traffic patterns, and I imagine other research into the demographics and economy of why the branch would or would not survive in an area.

3) You are VERY restricted when you run a MacDonalds. I think you have to buy basically ALL machinery, food items, and maybe even floor cleaner from them.

4) That is why when you go into a MacDonalds anywhere in the country the stuff should taste the same more or less unless someone is screwing up.

5) The failure rate is low because of their precise and scientific control over all machinery and processes (grill timers, temperature control and cleaning procedures)

6) All of that means it costs a LOT to open a MacDonalds. Def over a million , maybe several. You are paying for a huge body of extensively proven recipes, procedures, machinery and knowledge.

[txbeachbum]

(05-28-2011 10:10 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-28-2011 07:19 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

The people here who talk about starting businesses should realize that is to some degree an innate ability, unless you do something fairly foolproof like buy a MacDonalds, which brings you back to square zero-- because you need-- IDK-- millions to do that, and where do you get it.

I pretty much agree with you on most of what you're saying here,especially saving. That is a forgotten art in this country.

Can you talk a little more about this Mcdonalds franchise thing? I'd always heard about that as an investment opportunity, but can you just briefly elaborate on what you know about that path and why its "foolproof"? I'm actually just very curious about it.

Owning a McDonalds is basically owning a job. I know many McDonalds & Burger King franchise owners.

It takes a liguid net worth of about $300,000k of your own $$ to get started (you get loans for the rest) you have basically buying a job if you lucky will net you about $60,000 a year after a million dollars in revenue after paying Mc'Donalds for everything and their fees, employees, etc.

To make any decent money you need to own at least 5 of them, but they restrict how fast you open them, and your first couple YOU HAVE TO WORK THERE. They do not like absentee owners.

If you own less than 5 they only way to bring home alot more $$ is to pay off the building or refinance it when paid off and pull out a lump sum, but McDonalds will still keep the land.

In case you guys didn't know Mc'Donalds is really a huge real estate company the whole business model is setup to aquire the most valuable RE in the world and collect rent from the franchisees who run the businesses on top of them.

Selling burgers & fries is just to be able to collect franchise fee to pay for the RE.

McDonalds is the #1 or #2 (depends who you ask) largest land owner in the WORLD people.

Foolproof maybe, but there are much better things to invest $300k in.

And that still would give you some $$ but no time. You still won't be jet setting, and staying at $2000 a night places for all that damn work.

Have you seen the hours on some McDonalds (hell some are 24rs) 300%, 400% turnover sorry but none of the franchise owners I know would I ever consider international playboys. Most if they had to do it again, wouldn't.

[Excelsior]

(05-29-2011 01:28 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

Have you seen the hours on some McDonalds (hell some are 24rs) 300%, 400% turnover sorry but none of the franchise owners I know would I ever consider international playboys. Most if they had to do it again, wouldn't.

Very interesting post. Its good to at least know more about this type of opportunity, even if it isn't so ideal.
For the guys who "work there", are they mandating hours for them? Does the owner just show up for a few hours every week for his "job" or are they watching more closely than that?

[blurb]

Speaking of medicine, which specialty gives one the most free time? I know denistry isn't taught in med school, but my dentist works only 4 days a week (she gets Fridays off), and I believe she works from around 9-5 if I'm not mistaken.

[txbeachbum]

(05-29-2011 02:03 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-29-2011 01:28 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

Have you seen the hours on some McDonalds (hell some are 24rs) 300%, 400% turnover sorry but none of the franchise owners I know would I ever consider international playboys. Most if they had to do it again, wouldn't.

Very interesting post. Its good to at least know more about this type of opportunity, even if it isn't so ideal.
For the guys who "work there", are they mandating hours for them? Does the owner just show up for a few hours every week for his "job" or are they watching more closely than that?

You have to work full time 40+ hours, they are watching alot more closely than that with district managers and other systems. Also can't remember how long but you also will have to work at a location (not your own) 3,6 or more months unpaid sort of as a training/test to see if you want to do it, and if they want to grant you a franchise.

So just having the $$ won't guarantee you getting a location. Like I said all the BS you have to go through doing that just to buy a job.

As the guy who said a lawn service is too low status for him. That is the problem alot of people focus on glamorous businesses restaurants, clubs, promoter and that kind of BS which also has the highest failure rate.

The wealthiest people I have met 200 million+ have the more boring businesses you can think of, one guy sell hinges for doors, who would have thought? But when you think about it every door in the world needs a hinge, dude started a long time ago now is selling about 50-60% of the worlds hinges to 3rd world countries.

Another one is janitorial services, I started one in college cause i wanted to work at night and hated jobs, in 6 months I was making about $6,000 a month with 2 employees. doing it part time. I started it after meeting my father friend at dinner who started one about 20 years ago while working a full time job and has over 600 employees now.

Cost me less that $250 bucks to start it.

I could go on.

Also second thing with putting 10-15 years into a job is you dont have shit to pass on to future generations.

You can not pass down your cushy 250k a year job to your kids.

Business can last generations, all the big businesses now was once small businesses HP , Microsoft, Dell, Ford etc so when you have children they do not have to start at the bottom of the ladder, that is how you have generational wealth trumps, fords, kennedy, etc.

A 9-5 is overrated

It's amazing that in a country built on freedom all most people want is some security and willing to give up freedom to get a little bit of security.


Those who chose security over freedom get neither.
Those who chose freedom over security usually get both.
- Brian Kim

[txbeachbum]

(05-29-2011 02:38 AM)blurb Wrote:  

Speaking of medicine, which specialty gives one the most free time? I know denistry isn't taught in med school, but my dentist works only 4 days a week (she gets Fridays off), and I believe she works from around 9-5 if I'm not mistaken.

Being a dentist does allow you to have some cool hours.

The one I used to go to

Hours:
9am -12pm
12-2pm lunch (whole damn office is gone)
2-5 pm
5pm close

M-TH

BUT the only problem is, if a dentist takes a week or month off he will have zero money when he comes back, there is a lag time between when he cleans your teeth and when he gets paid by insurance company 15, 30, 45 days I'm not sure.

He is still trading time for $$ but he has more control of his time.

So no work no eat. He still owns a job.

[rudebwoy]

(05-29-2011 11:35 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

(05-29-2011 02:03 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-29-2011 01:28 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

Have you seen the hours on some McDonalds (hell some are 24rs) 300%, 400% turnover sorry but none of the franchise owners I know would I ever consider international playboys. Most if they had to do it again, wouldn't.

Very interesting post. Its good to at least know more about this type of opportunity, even if it isn't so ideal.
For the guys who "work there", are they mandating hours for them? Does the owner just show up for a few hours every week for his "job" or are they watching more closely than that?

You have to work full time 40+ hours, they are watching alot more closely than that with district managers and other systems. Also can't remember how long but you also will have to work at a location (not your own) 3,6 or more months unpaid sort of as a training/test to see if you want to do it, and if they want to grant you a franchise.

So just having the $$ won't guarantee you getting a location. Like I said all the BS you have to go through doing that just to buy a job.

As the guy who said a lawn service is too low status for him. That is the problem alot of people focus on glamorous businesses restaurants, clubs, promoter and that kind of BS which also has the highest failure rate.

The wealthiest people I have met 200 million+ have the more boring businesses you can think of, one guy sell hinges for doors, who would have thought? But when you think about it every door in the world needs a hinge, dude started a long time ago now is selling about 50-60% of the worlds hinges to 3rd world countries.

Another one is janitorial services, I started one in college cause i wanted to work at night and hated jobs, in 6 months I was making about $6,000 a month with 2 employees. doing it part time. I started it after meeting my father friend at dinner who started one about 20 years ago while working a full time job and has over 600 employees now.

Cost me less that $250 bucks to start it.

I could go on.

Also second thing with putting 10-15 years into a job is you dont have shit to pass on to future generations.

You can not pass down your cushy 250k a year job to your kids.

Business can last generations, all the big businesses now was once small businesses HP , Microsoft, Dell, Ford etc so when you have children they do not have to start at the bottom of the ladder, that is how you have generational wealth trumps, fords, kennedy, etc.

A 9-5 is overrated

It's amazing that in a country built on freedom all most people want is some security and willing to give up freedom to get a little bit of security.


Those who chose security over freedom get neither.
Those who chose freedom over security usually get both.
- Brian Kim

I believe there is a requirement to own a McDonalds that you have to attend some school for two years!!
I also think they are on the decline as a business outside USA, in my city they actually closed one a few years back.

You bring up some truly good points, mowing lawns seems like a great business - but yet you never see young kids or adults knocking doors to do it. People are simply too proud or too lazy, but I can tell I know older people that would pay for it.

9 - 5 is way over-rated.

Txbeachbum - what countries are you thinking of exploring for business? If you want to keep it a secret I can understand.

[Gmac]

Personally, I prefer women over 23 anyway. Hell, most women under 25 don't know what they are doing in the bedroom, so it makes those notches more enjoyable when you're with a girl who does.

[Selva]

As I have gotten older my inner game has gotten stronger. Every lesson I have learned along the way can be put to work and now I am so confident going into an approach that I am almost overbearing and need to tone it down. In my mind, if I am opening a girl I am probably going to close her, it is pretty much only a matter of time.

I read all of these posts with guys saying you need a fly pad, custom suits, a status job, or money to pull women, but what they are really saying is "my inner game is still weak and I need a crutch".

[Vicious]

(05-29-2011 01:09 PM)Selva Wrote:  

I read all of these posts with guys saying you need a fly pad, custom suits, a status job, or money to pull women, but what they are really saying is "my inner game is still weak and I need a crutch".

You're being excessively defensive. Nobody has said those things are what you need. They are things that makes recruiting talent easier.

It just so happens that many great "gamers" here are in well to-do positions for the same reasons. Having drive, motivation and discipline they are propelled through life in general.

[MiXX]

(05-29-2011 01:09 PM)Selva Wrote:  

I read all of these posts with guys saying you need a fly pad, custom suits, a status job, or money to pull women, but what they are really saying is "my inner game is still weak and I need a crutch".

LMAO!! yup..that's what it is Selva...thanks for opening our eyes.

Mixx

[thegmanifesto]

Selva -

"I read all of these posts with guys saying you need a fly pad, custom suits, a status job, or money to pull women, but what they are really saying is "my inner game is still weak and I need a crutch".

What I am saying is it makes things easier, and more effective.

Sure, I could still put on a t-shirt and jeans and hit on girls during the day for 12 hours straight, spend zero CASH and probably (maybe) pull a fly girl.

But I would rather throw on a Custom Suit spend 4 hours at a bar at night, drop a little scratch and pull a fly girl.

Because in the end, the second strategy actually saved me time and money.

And we have to stop with this whole pick up artist lingo "crutch" thing.

What is not a crutch? Good looks are a crutch, being in shape is a crutch, Custom Suits are a crutch, money is a crutch.

Unless you are picking up girls with a paper bag over your head, we are all using crutches.

Let's dead that.

[Selva]

In a different thread I mentioned that if I was talking to someone new to pickup the first thing I would do would suggest is to get groomed and get some nice clean clothes to wear. Have some money and work you think is cool. Nothing wrong with that.

I am reading these posts and they would almost make you believe you have to make $250k a year or wear custom suits or own a McDonalds to sufficiently impress some chick you want to bone.

You don't need money or status or stuff to demonstrate higher value. Get it correct in your mind that "I AM higher value. I am an awesome dude, and any girl I choose to spend time with is going to enjoy and benefit from our time together. The kind of woman I go for recognizes that in me and it's done."

Maybe this concept is where we see a difference of opinion. It's all good.

[Giovonny]

You guys just gave me an idea!

I sprained my ankle. I'm walking with crutches. I'm gonna go limp around the mall with my crutches and tap girls on the butt with them. I'll say..."Excuse me sweetie, can you help me grab that item off the top shelf"

Does using my crutch mean my inner Game is weak??? hahaha

I also use a crutch to smoke the last half inch of my joint. Chicks dig it.

[Excelsior]

(05-29-2011 11:35 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

You have to work full time 40+ hours, they are watching alot more closely than that with district managers and other systems. Also can't remember how long but you also will have to work at a location (not your own) 3,6 or more months unpaid sort of as a training/test to see if you want to do it, and if they want to grant you a franchise.

Well that sucks.

Quote:

Also second thing with putting 10-15 years into a job is you dont have shit to pass on to future generations.

Yes you do.

As I mentioned earlier, stints in the corporate world can lead to easier transition to independence later on in life. The contacts and experience you get may make it easier to start your own firm/practice/small business later on. Those are things that you in turn can pass on to your kids.

The connections you make in the corporate world as an employee can also count. I see it here on my campus all the time-kids benefit from the status and the connections of their dad's cushy, high status job(finance, medicine, professor, law firm, etc) all the time, either through preference with internships or with connections he made there (never mind the benefits he got when he left).

Sure, it'd be better if you just went right out and started your own extremely successful business right off the bat instead of spending several years working for someone else. But, realistically, how many of you are going to be Bill Gates? How many of you are just going to jump out there with no experience and build a Fortune 500 company from scratch?

The majority of these people doing their own thing and succeeding at it (solo lawyers, solo medical practitioners, smaller solo financial firms and/or businesses, etc) started working for someone else. Then they took those contacts and the money they made to build their own thing and establish their own reputation.

They can then pass these contacts, that money and their new independent practices/investments on to their kids.
The examples of this just within the Forbes 400 are endless(Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, etc, etc).

This path is not as hopeless as you think. You can make it work for you if you have the right mindset. I'll agree that most American corporate drones don't have that, but if you do there are rewards.

Quote:

A 9-5 is overrated

I'll agree, but I think you're also underrating it here.

Quote:

It's amazing that in a country built on freedom all most people want is some security and willing to give up freedom to get a little bit of security.

I know. What a horrible thing-people who value stability and security! *gasp*

What you don't seem to understand is that people of both inclinations are necessary to sustain a stable society. One path is not inherently superior in merit to the other.
Not everyone is a great risk taker, nor does everyone have to be in order to succeed.

[Excelsior]

(05-29-2011 02:51 PM)Selva Wrote:  

You don't need money or status or stuff to demonstrate higher value. Get it correct in your mind that "I AM higher value. I am an awesome dude, and any girl I choose to spend time with is going to enjoy and benefit from our time together. The kind of woman I go for recognizes that in me and it's done."

All people are saying is that it is a lot easier to say these things to yourself convincingly (and, conversely, portray this confidence convincingly to others) when you actually are of higher value in some tangible way.

Few people can fake this well. Most gain that confidence when they've gotten something to affirm it(ex. a nice condo or a good job or a nice sports car or good investments, etc). Maybe they don't all have millions, but they've got something that can justify their saying how "high value" they are. Most people need that.

And if you're getting older, you definitely need something. 23 year old young-broke guy game doesn't work as well for 40 year olds. You need something-again, not necessarily a McDonalds or a Ferrari, but some tangible signs of success and financial stability are big for long-term game into older age.

[NeVerGymLess]

Damn , you guys are over thinking. Be built like a Greek god and you will pull hot bitches.

[txbeachbum]

(05-29-2011 03:13 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(05-29-2011 11:35 AM)txbeachbum Wrote:  

You have to work full time 40+ hours, they are watching alot more closely than that with district managers and other systems. Also can't remember how long but you also will have to work at a location (not your own) 3,6 or more months unpaid sort of as a training/test to see if you want to do it, and if they want to grant you a franchise.

Well that sucks.

Quote:

Also second thing with putting 10-15 years into a job is you dont have shit to pass on to future generations.

Yes you do.

As I mentioned earlier, stints in the corporate world can lead to easier transition to independence later on in life. The contacts and experience you get may make it easier to start your own firm/practice/small business later on. Those are things that you in turn can pass on to your kids.

The connections you make in the corporate world as an employee can also count. I see it here on my campus all the time-kids benefit from the status and the connections of their dad's cushy, high status job(finance, medicine, professor, law firm, etc) all the time, either through preference with internships or with connections he made there (never mind the benefits he got when he left).

Sure, it'd be better if you just went right out and started your own extremely successful business right off the bat instead of spending several years working for someone else. But, realistically, how many of you are going to be Bill Gates? How many of you are just going to jump out there with no experience and build a Fortune 500 company from scratch?

The majority of these people doing their own thing and succeeding at it (solo lawyers, solo medical practitioners, smaller solo financial firms and/or businesses, etc) started working for someone else. Then they took those contacts and the money they made to build their own thing and establish their own reputation.

They can then pass these contacts, that money and their new independent practices/investments on to their kids.
The examples of this just within the Forbes 400 are endless(Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, etc, etc).

This path is not as hopeless as you think. You can make it work for you if you have the right mindset. I'll agree that most American corporate drones don't have that, but if you do there are rewards.

Quote:

A 9-5 is overrated

I'll agree, but I think you're also underrating it here.

Quote:

It's amazing that in a country built on freedom all most people want is some security and willing to give up freedom to get a little bit of security.

I know. What a horrible thing-people who value stability and security! *gasp*

What you don't seem to understand is that people of both inclinations are necessary to sustain a stable society. One path is not inherently superior in merit to the other.
Not everyone is a great risk taker, nor does everyone have to be in order to succeed.

The biggest risk, is not taking one.

Contacts....fcuk some damn contacts.

I would much rather have my father pass on a million dollar or potential million dollar/billion dollar business then a damn Rolodex of contacts.

It seems some people are just naturally inclined to wait on others to give them what they want.

Wait to finish school, wait 10-15 year to get a 250k job, wait on a franchise, wait for introduction to contacts.

I understand completely that society needs drones and people who value security, etc.

We all cant be entrepreneurs (or can we?) we also need people to pick up garbage, pick fruit etc. Doesn't mean I have to be one of them, I am glad there are people out there who are willing to do it, but I am not one of them.

But I don't think those are the type of people that are here reading about gaming women & traveling the world and living life.

So my advice was geared to the people who do not want to be drones, and wait around for all the lights to turn green in life (they never will) waiting on permission to start living.

How many people counted on saving X amount of dollars in 401k with a 8% return for 40 years and having $1,000,000 in retirement?

See that is based on assumptions, didn't take into account, accounting fraud, government bailouts and 40-50% drop in market value.

How about the people that claimed "real estate always goes up" and got a huge mortgage betting on the house being $200,000 more when the retire and cashing out and retiring. We know how that story ended.


"There are people who make things happen, there are people who watch things happen, and there are people who wonder what happened."

To be successful in ANYTHING, you need to be a person who makes things happen..


Want to sleep with alot of women.... you going to need to take a risk and approach alot.

Want a successful business... you going to fail with 2-3 businesses before you find the right one.

So on and so on.

But to each is own. I'm finished.

[Samseau]

How many people here realize that G advocates a life of crime? Drug deals, robberies, conning investors, and any other way to one up someone else.

Who is interested in being evil just for some pleasure?

(nothing against you G, but I'm going to call a spade a spade.)

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/04/how...derby.html Wrote:

Leave with the mark, and enthusiastically get a “celebratory” cocktail. Hell, even buy it. And go for gin. (And I don’t mean 1994 Kentucky Derby winner Go for Gin, either).

Give the mark the slip.

There you go, that’s how you always win at The Kentucky Derby. Old-school hustler style.

Sans armes, Ni haine, Ni violence

See you there.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2008/08/top...-down.html Wrote:

One of my personal favorites. Drug dealers by and large are scum, have lots of CASH and give up their CASH easy when you point a Desert Eagle at them.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/08/goi...rt-ii.html Wrote:

•Let others discuss ethics, while G’s bury their rivals and spark up celebratory smokes.

And there are many other examples. Who here is willing to murder others for profit?

[rudebwoy]

(05-29-2011 06:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

How many people here realize that G advocates a life of crime? Drug deals, robberies, conning investors, and any other way to one up someone else.

Who is interested in being evil just for some pleasure?

(nothing against you G, but I'm going to call a spade a spade.)

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/04/how...derby.html Wrote:

Leave with the mark, and enthusiastically get a “celebratory” cocktail. Hell, even buy it. And go for gin. (And I don’t mean 1994 Kentucky Derby winner Go for Gin, either).

Give the mark the slip.

There you go, that’s how you always win at The Kentucky Derby. Old-school hustler style.

Sans armes, Ni haine, Ni violence

See you there.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2008/08/top...-down.html Wrote:

One of my personal favorites. Drug dealers by and large are scum, have lots of CASH and give up their CASH easy when you point a Desert Eagle at them.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/08/goi...rt-ii.html Wrote:

•Let others discuss ethics, while G’s bury their rivals and spark up celebratory smokes.

And there are many other examples. Who here is willing to murder others for profit?

Isn't that what the US Government does??

[iknowexactly]

I think the discussions about various ways to get yourself a perch from which to game in your 40s-50s share a common thread. Whatever you do, it helps to have a coherent plan that fits your abilities and likings and stick to it.

The poster who started a cleaning business was aggressive and energetic and recognized an opening when he saw one, and didn't mind getting his hands dirty until he had employees.

I personally was always good at book learning, and terrible at getting people to buy stuff.
So I picked a path with a lot of school, which guaranteed a minimum income and some intellectual respect.
It also shields me because of licensing, if someone wants to go into competition with me they have to go to school for
six years. Eliminates a lot of competition for someone who dislikes competition.

My friend's father was a high-placed employee in the Foreign Service and my friend went to law school and got a fancy job in the government,
than leveraged that to major scale private/public works projects. He's worth tens of millions now

But I think you have to take all wealthy people's complaints with a grain of salt. I never met a wealthy person who
didn't complain how expensive things were, how high their expenses were.

They get rich by working hard (unless they're born rich) and the mentality of always focusing on money tends to go on
even after they have plenty.

I've been in dozens of MacDonald's hundreds of times, and 80%+ of the time I don't believe the twenty-something or thirty-something ranking "managers" I've seen as I scoped the place out were the owners who had 300k cash to invest. My impression is that the owners are rarely there.

Of course MacDonald's has to make a big show about how you'll have to bust ass, and train you well, so they can force you to do it IF you start screwing up their reputation. But if the place looks good and you're paying them, I doubt they go to your house and drag you out to your own store. Maybe the first six months or something OK. But 60k is only 20% return on 300k so I just don't believe these guys complaining who were smart enough to save up 300k will accept true full time work. THey probably are complaining about always being ON CALL. I think they're exaggerating. How would it sound if they said "I go there about 10 hours a week. The 33 year old hispanic woman I hired is really the store manager and she works 50 hours a week, and I get the money." I agree it sounds dull and boring anyway.

I once had a GF in Minneapolis. She joked about the time a wealthy owner of a waste disposal company took her for a ride in a limousine. I could tell from her description the situation wasn't erotically charged for her at all despite his wealth.
"I'm the garbage king." he told her. She related this laughing. He was nice enough.

He was probably making 250 times what I was as a computer programmer. She wanted to marry me, not him.

[Rockstar]

(05-28-2011 09:36 PM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

I'm a fan of the G -- much of what he talks about is a lifestyle that is complementary. Being Confident -> Custom suited -> spots on lock down -> traveling may actually increase your bankroll. I won't speak for others but I can tell you that this lifestyle change allowed me to meet and interact with a whole different set of people. Now I am not just talking women, but men too -- owners of companies, scenseters, well connected politicians etc. I have leveraged this success in getting a better paying job with decent hours, cooking up some real estate deals, and have a few apartments at my disposal (company apartments rarely used only when CEO is in town).

All of this would not be possible if I had just been a random dude hanging out at a local bar, wearing a striped shirt/jeans and a backwards red sox cap. I am not knocking that lifestyle but lets be honest, you don't get the same types opportunities or perks.

So bringing this back together: Imagine you roll up to a lounge where you waved in by the bouncers, the host greets you and directs you to the table, you know the bar tender. Being custom suited you are looking your best. If you decide swoop any girls around you, you can most likely bounce them back to an apartment overlooking the water stocked with a full bar. You've got it all:

- Confidence
- Style
- Resources

Most of all you know that if some random girl turns you down/is lame, you got many more options for the night. So why wouldn't you want this?

I've got a great answer for this. Because when she sees you wearing a nice suit and thinks you have money, you will:

1.) attract gold diggers

2.) she'll be even more pretentious and uppidty than normal because she feels she has to put on a front to impress you. She can screw any random bus boy for a quickie, but you, she'll make you WAIT so you VALUE her more. This is how women think. I do my best work when i'm wearing a $20 slim fit tee and a beat up pair of R&R jeans, and a nice cologne.

Plus with the suit thing, how many assholes in packed nightclubs are going to burn you with their smoke? Nightclubs are hot, why would you want to wear a SUIT in a packed nightclub? Won't you look funny bumping and grinding in a SUIT?

Sure it is great to look sharp, but keep in mind if you act like richie rich the girls will be afraid of fucking you too soon as they may see you as "the big catch".

[Timoteo]

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(05-26-2011 02:26 AM)Tim9000 Wrote:  

(05-25-2011 03:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The results:

I swoop girls I could have never before ie super fly 22-26 year olds, that liked more out of life
Everything is easier
Way less time or effort swooping
My potential girl "pool" is huge. 18-40 year olds are all down.
Logistics never get in my way so my close percentage is off the charts

Thoughts?

I'm older too and I agree. That's not to say I have the kind of game that lets me swoop objectively hot young women (I'm pretty novice in game--only been practicing for a year) but if we're focusing on age, it's notable that at my current age I'm able to generate interest from women aged 21-45 whereas that would have been impossible when I was 30. Here's the thing that scares me though: my appearance is changing *fast*. Three years ago I looked 30 in broad daylight, but now I can only pull that off in bar lighting (the primary problem is skin wrinkles). So while I'm pleasantly surprised that I occasionally have 21 year-old undergraduates volunteering their phone numbers to me in bars, I suspect that most of them would be creeped out if we had a single date under bright flourescent lighting or in daylight. (One exception to this is the fraction of women who are turned on by considerably older men--I've dated two of them, but I don't have any idea how prevalent they are, as both of them approached me via social activities. Anybody have thoughts on this?)

What I'm trying to say is that young men in game right now shouldn't count on their looks being stable for long periods of time. We all have different genetics which govern the age at which we grey and/or lose our hair, get wrinkles, and in some cases lose the ability to maintain a relatively lean physique with minimal effort. Men who look *great* at 25 can with a bit of bad luck with genetics look completely different at age 35. I was lucky in that my looks were very stable through my 30's (no noticeable hair loss or greying, lean though lanky physique, and tight facial skin with no tell-tale sagging or wrinkles; it's worth mentioning that I'm just average looking) but now age is catching up. At my current rate of change I feel like I have perhaps two years to practice my game with young women age 21-28 and even then only in bar/club lighting (which is good enough for a pull to my nearby, centrally located apartment that I wouldn't have considered renting in my 20's). After that, only women who fetishize older men will really be candidates. I'd be fine banging older women because unlike a lot of game bloggers, I find a great many older women attractive (as long as they maintain their weight and haven't gotten unlucky with fast-aging skin). I see them on the street every day. The problem is that attractive women over age 27 are generally *not* out in bars and clubs if they are even unmarried.

If you're a young man my advice to you would be to assume that gaming will become much easier in your early 30's, but after that it really comes down to your genetic luck, so if you're 30 or over play it safe and do what you need to do *right now* to get what you want out of game (for me game is about self-esteem and proving to myself that I can retrain my naturally socially anxious nervious system; if I'd done it when I was 30 I assume that I'd be married to a very cool yet yet feminine and sexed-out woman, and focusing on something else).

I'm also in my 40's, and what you say is on point. I have some gray in my hair, and my chin is almost completely gray. My skin is still good, so I look a bit younger than I am when clean shaven. I played basketball until very recently, and try to work out regularly, so my body has stayed athletic. Personally, I don't try to talk to 20-somethings, but mid-30's to mid-40's is my range. At a certain point, women in their 30's and 40's don't go out to bars and clubs anymore as you noted. They go online. I don't know how you feel about online dating, but I use it to find 40-somethings that still look good (hopefully they have good, recent pics - check for date stamps or captions that have the dates). I've had good success finding international women this way, and have tapped a couple of out of state women also. Try online to find some of those local jewels that might be tucked away, in conjunction with active hunting in the field.[b]