A lot of the posts/questions seem to be originating due to the fact that some guys are misunderstanding the concept by literally taking whatever someone seems to be writing or they are just posting them for the sake of it.
There is a big difference between fronting and doing something because you want and you like to. Fronting is very easily seen through, and you cannot fake it long term. One can get an expensive suit if one has the money, but to carry off an expensive suit or whatever requires more than just money. Trust me people people can see the difference between a guy flashing expensive stuff because he has the money and a guy who feels at home in them.
Now this is by no means required or necessary to be good with women, but if someone thinks they don't help then they are sadly mistaken to say the least.
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I think 'excuse' is the word I meant to use. Way too many guys are making excuses why they are not getting with women, and it is easier to blame your lack of bling or whatever for your lack of success rather than sucking it up and making it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value.
And thinking you are demonstrating higher value because you can flash bling is lame, lame, lame. If you have to have anything external to try to impress some woman you are coming from a weak position. You can argue with me or try to justify it to yourself however you like, but you are, really.
I am not defending people who use lack of expensive stuff as an excuse for not being good with women, but I don't really get this whole "make it happen because you are a cool guy with inherent value" part.
So how exactly does one display inherent value? Inherent values can only be exposed through external value and actions. One could be a powerful man with millions in the bank, but if you dress like a bum people will think you are a bum, as simple as that.
It is just like how guys want to be with the hottest women who take care of themselves and are dressed nice etc. Its not like you are going after girls who don't take care of themselves and are dressed in rags because of inherent value that these chicks might have. And you know what, there might be some really cool chicks who might look like crap, but its not like you go after them to find out about it, right?
It works the same way, when people see a man dressed up and looking crisp, they assume and perceive a confident man at the very least on first look. Now this does not have to come with a custom suit, or an expensive dinner. But if you have the means, and you want that lifestyle I don't see what is wrong in that.
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Your total investment in suits, expensive dinners, lounges, etc just to GET the girl is a HUGE investment in mental, physical, and financial capital, and your ROI, in business terms is awfully low if she's not laying golden rooster eggs out of her pussy and handing them to you.
You are saying this under the assumption that all the above are being done to get a girl or girls. What if that is not true? I like having nice clothes, and I don't get them for girls. I get them for myself. So you are telling me I should stop buying nice clothes because it can be perceived as if I am doing it for girls?
And by the way, your analogy with a business and ROI is a bit off the mark I must say. It's like comparing food from the street to food from a star restaurant. Yes I probably get more quantity at the cheaper place, but not the same quality of stuff. You cannot expect to be in a place which has extremely fine classy women, if you are not willing to invest in making yourself part of that kind of circle.
Truth of the matter is, you need monetary and external items to display your superiority, worth, inherent value or whatever you want to call it. Now that stinks, but well that is how it works. You know why even in tribal groups and whatever, the chief of the tribe looks different or wears different attire than the rest, to display the difference in hierarchy. That is how we have evolved, and it reflects in how things work in the world.
And I don't get this "average poster" bit that a lot of people are using either. If you are average, then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum. I thought that was the whole point, that you don't want to be an average Joe.
If you were referring to "average" in terms of means/wealth even in that case, a lot of people are rising above or want to rise above that stage. So it is not just women that we are interested in and have interests in other stuff too.
Yes you can game and score women without money, nice clothes, a car and while living in your parents' basement. But you should not expect to score super models and celebrities while in that position. So the question becomes who do you and can you score with without any monetary effects and with those external things?
I am not here defending G, because I am pretty sure he can do that himself but it is just annoying when a lot of the threads get hijacked in to such banal arguments bashing each other.
Everyone has their own view on what works and what doesn't, what works for you might not work for someone else and the other way around.
All that said, no one said you
need to have custom suits and have expensive stuff to get women. But if you think you don't need anything and can still get with any women because of your "inherent value", you are only deluding yourself. Forget women, you need money to sustain yourself and have a comfortable life and that is the bottom line.
And you know what is helpful in a forum, rather than bashing others, how about you post what works for you and how successful it is so that others can learn from you?
