[Prosal]

(05-25-2013 02:32 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

So are those Indonesians the type of people migrating to Europe in large numbers??? Not from anything I have read.

Obviously anybody educated would rather spend time with somebody educated from any religion rather than anybody uneducated. If you think a dumbass redneck cracker is bad maybe you should live among some guys who just stepped out of a cave in Pakistan.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Well, maybe you get your informations through Fox News, so it's understandable. So let me educate you. FYI, and to reiterate, half (other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, 80% of them don't agree with the laws of the charia and just want to live peacefully and respect the democrac rules of the country where they live. As a reminder, and to point out that "muslim" doesn't necesserily mean fanatic, the population of Mali - muslims - were TERRIFIED by the recent jihadists invasion. There is BTW a rather important malian community in France. Your point about indonesians, malians, maroccans, uzbeks, bosniacs, senegales, chechens, ect, is not relevant. Islam is a respectable religion when practised by moderate people.

Those yank inbred crakers with their Bible are for me almost as scary as the jihadists.

People like Amadou and Mariam are muslim and live in France. Do they look like dangerous jihadists ? (rolleyes)

[Jaydublin]

(05-25-2013 02:44 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

(05-25-2013 02:32 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

So are those Indonesians the type of people migrating to Europe in large numbers??? Not from anything I have read.

Obviously anybody educated would rather spend time with somebody educated from any religion rather than anybody uneducated. If you think a dumbass redneck cracker is bad maybe you should live among some guys who just stepped out of a cave in Pakistan.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. Well, maybe you get your informations through Fox News, so it's understandable. So let me educate you. FYI, and to reiterate, half (other numbers say that it's more likely 60%) of the muslims living in France are non-practising. And among the ones who practise, 80% of them don't agree with the laws of the charia and just want to live peacefully and respect the democracy rules. As a reminder, and to point out that "muslim" doesn't necesserily mean fanatic, the population of Mali - muslims- were TERRIFIED by the recent jihadists invasion. There is BTW a rather important malian community in France. Your point about indonesians, malians, maroccans, ect, is not relevant. Islam is a respectable religion when practised by moderate people.

Those yank inbred crakers with their Bible are for me almost as scary as the jihadists.

People like Amadou and Mariam are muslim and live in France. Do they look like dangerous jihadists ? (rolleyes)

You mad bro?? When did I respond to any of that? I guess anybody who doesn't agree with you must watch Fox News lol

(05-25-2013 02:44 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

Your point about indonesians, malians, moroccans, ect, is not relevant.

What point was that? Did you even read what I said? lol

So I will change the way I word this since you rambled on about % of muslims this and that blah blah blah. Would an educated muslim from Indo rather spend time with an educated christian from the west or would they rather spend time with the goat herder from pakistan? Perfect analogy for your "cracker" statement isn't it? So of course anybody educated would rather have a conversation with another educated person rather than a "cracker" from the trailer park or a goat pusher from the cave.

You're way too butthurt over this thread. You're definitely throwing words in peoples mouths. You even felt the need to post of video of successful musicians and ask me if they look like jihadists. Can't remember the last time I used that word. Quite possibly never in my life.

You're the one throwing out stereotypical derogatory terms.. "inbred", "cracker"

[Prosal]

(05-25-2013 03:26 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

What point was that? Did you even read what I said? lol

(05-25-2013 02:32 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

So are those Indonesians the type of people migrating to Europe in large numbers??? Not from anything I have read.

Yeah, lol as you say.

So yes, the "type" of people migrating to France is more West Africans and Arabics. And ?????

[Sebastian]

I don't know what you are trying to say.

Anyways, I don't like to see them building mosque like that in states.
I am not even white and I am not religious.
I know those arabs are going to get offended like crazy (they are very sensitive with their religion) by my comment.
But what if they want to build big mormon church in one of those countries? can they even send some missionaries to convert muslims?

They want to build mosque in states but they don't want christian church in their country yes or no?

Plus, it just doesn't look natural in U.S
eg it looks natural to see Buddhist temple in thailand than some gothic style catholic building.

(05-22-2013 06:29 PM)AFspecOps Wrote:  

In Maryland, they are getting ready to build a $100 million dollar mosque which is supposed to be the "the largest and most striking example of Islamic architecture in the western hemisphere." The MD governor recently welcomed the PM of Turkey and various Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated groups to the groundbreaking.

Yet, when the Christians in Ankara, Turkey's capital, recently asked to build a church there they were denied permission by the govt, (even though no other churches exist there). Another mosque will be built there instead.

School me in that interfaith dialogue and mutual respect thing again.

[Kristian]

I don't know why so many people are afraid of islam...I think is a matter of fear...look at turkey..most of their Young population see the world in a tolerant way..turkey it's the example of development and example to the rest of the islamic world..

I have many muslim friends and they have explain to me all about the misconceptions and prejudices...and the more "radical" e.g. arabia saudí,yemen,pakistan...it's more a matter of culture rather tan religión...

Most of this Young generations with integrate with us without any problem

look at the christians...they have evangelist,mormons...are they tolernt?c'mon..

[Samseau]

(05-25-2013 02:44 PM)Prosal Wrote:  

Your point about indonesians, malians, maroccans, uzbeks, bosniacs, senegales, chechens, ect, is not relevant. Islam is a respectable religion when practised by moderate people.

Kristian Wrote:

I don't know why so many people are afraid of islam...I think is a matter of fear...look at turkey..most of their Young population see the world in a tolerant way..turkey it's the example of development and example to the rest of the islamic world..

I'm afraid you guys have a very naive view of politics and Islam. The way Islam works is by galvanizing their peaceful followers into becoming violent.

Take, for example, the Woolwich execution or Boston Bombings. First you have a few fanatics that terrorize the non-Muslims. This then incites hated against ALL Muslims, including the peaceful ones. People then react by burning down Mosques, attacking Muslims, etc. Then peaceful Muslims are thrown into conflict whether they like it or not.

And the violent Muslims, although minorities amongst the Islamic population, will continue their violence until they succeed in generating as much hatred from the non-Islamic population as possible. Their goal is to generate hatred, and we will continue to see Islamic riots, beheadings, and bombings, until the local population hates Islam with all of their might.

At this point, the "peaceful" Muslims will have no choice but to fight back and defend themselves, and then they will be in the same group as "violent" Muslims. Thus there is no significant difference between "violent" and "peaceful" Muslims - they are both on the same team, and the violent Muslims will make sure the peaceful ones remember that.

Study up on the history of Lebanon or Egypt for good examples of this. Modern day Islamic Turkey has to continually deal with their extremists as well (that's why they have a mandatory draft).

That is why the entire religion is toxic and probably should be banned from any civilized country.

[Sebastian]

Can you criticize islam the way you do it to christianity?

people talk about how stupid bible is, say 'fuck jesus' etc.

can you do that to islam? wherever you are, if you do that, they will kill you.
remember the minister who burned koran? I think some govt official had to apologize because they know those muslims will do something crazy.

Plus, I don't understand why all arab guys think they are Muslim (don't follow the rule, don't go to mosque) and they want to defend
islam. I know a lot of white american guys who don't give a damn about christianity and even have a bad view for it.

(05-25-2013 06:05 PM)Kristian Wrote:  

I don't know why so many people are afraid of islam...I think is a matter of fear...look at turkey..most of their Young population see the world in a tolerant way..turkey it's the example of development and example to the rest of the islamic world..

I have many muslim friends and they have explain to me all about the misconceptions and prejudices...and the more "radical" e.g. arabia saudí,yemen,pakistan...it's more a matter of culture rather tan religión...

Most of this Young generations with integrate with us without any problem

look at the christians...they have evangelist,mormons...are they tolernt?c'mon..

[The Fantasist]

What disappoints me about the recent beheading in London and Boston bombings etc is where are the peaceful Muslims marching and saying 'not in our name'? It is always down to the press to speak up for moderate Muslims, telling us how 'not all Muslims' are like this and how the majority are outraged. Well where is the outrage? Where are the moderate peaceful ones vocally condemning the extremists and condemning the barbaric beliefs of the extremists? I see a couple of community leaders in the press but what I want to see is 1000's of them out on the streets saying that the extremists have no place in their community,mosques etc. The community must know who these potential killers are right? Why are they never handing them over to the police? Why are they not snitched up by fellow worshippers in the mosques? The impression it gives is that secretly, deep down, that the community somehow supports the killers amongst them through their collective silence.

i.e:

Cartoonist draws a picture of Mohammed and a pig = thousands on the streets calling for Sharia law and the death of cartoonist.

British soldier beheaded in London by Muslims calling for a holy war = One or two Muslim guys on tv saying 'not all of us are like that'.

Where is the condemnation?

I have travelled and lived in Muslim countries such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Kyrgyzstan and the North Caucasus and have found Muslims extremely hospitable and friendly, I have never had any problem and received only hospitality as far as I can remember. They really are good people in the majority and far from radicalised ( Indonesian and Kyrgyz Muslims like to get drunk and bang as much as the next guy ). Islam however in Europe does have huge issues that need to be brought out in open debate and addressed mainly by their own community. Until that happens and the millions of peaceful Muslims in Europe say 'enough is enough - we don't support these idiots and will root them out and hand them over whenever we find them' then we will continue to have problems and resentments.

[AFspecOps]

(05-26-2013 03:25 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

It is always down to the press to speak up for moderate Muslims, telling us how 'not all Muslims' are like this and how the majority are outraged. Well where is the outrage? Where are the moderate peaceful ones vocally condemning the extremists and condemning the barbaric beliefs of the extremists?

The fucking political correctness and tiptoeing around Islam within US law enforcement is pathetic.

The triple throat slashing (beheading) of Jews on the 10th anniversary of 9/11, should have been a red flag. We now know that at least one of the Boston bombers were responsible, since the gun used by him to kill the Boston cop (after the bombings) was stolen from one of the Jewish victims.

Killing Jews is one of the highest forms of jihad under Islam. Law enforcement needs to better trained on Islamic doctrine.

Muslim Brotherhood groups like CAIR have done a good job in dismantling counter-terror programs of references to jihad. Our administration has taken out all references to Islamic jihad from counter terror manuals and training materials.

If law enforcement had been properly trained in the jihad threat, they would have worked with FBI and CIA to identify the Muslims that murdered these Jewish boys. And maybe the Boston bombings might never have happened.

[Sailor]

(05-25-2013 03:46 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I don't know what you are trying to say.

Anyways, I don't like to see them building mosque like that in states.
I am not even white and I am not religious.
I know those arabs are going to get offended like crazy (they are very sensitive with their religion) by my comment.
But what if they want to build big mormon church in one of those countries? can they even send some missionaries to convert muslims?

They want to build mosque in states but they don't want christian church in their country yes or no?

Plus, it just doesn't look natural in U.S
eg it looks natural to see Buddhist temple in thailand than some gothic style catholic building.

(05-22-2013 06:29 PM)AFspecOps Wrote:  

In Maryland, they are getting ready to build a $100 million dollar mosque which is supposed to be the "the largest and most striking example of Islamic architecture in the western hemisphere." The MD governor recently welcomed the PM of Turkey and various Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated groups to the groundbreaking.

Yet, when the Christians in Ankara, Turkey's capital, recently asked to build a church there they were denied permission by the govt, (even though no other churches exist there). Another mosque will be built there instead.

School me in that interfaith dialogue and mutual respect thing again.

Was not it in Switzerland where they forbid those Minarettes?and half Europe called them intolerants (or worse) while the other half wished they cold do the same

[Samseau]

War Memorial Defaced and EDL League grows in popularity as it firebombs Mosques:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...untry.html

[Teedub]

^ The shits going to hit the fan. It really is.

Unfortunately I fear anyone who is 'brown' is going to suffer the consequences. My Indian-descent Hindu (by birth, non-practicing) mate, on his way home from a night with our lot on Saturday, was called "paki" twice as an insult. For those who don't know, "Paki" is of course short for Pakistani, and has been used as a derogatory racist term for decades. The fact it has been used so openly to my mate is cause for concern. Another female friend of mine (my mate's GF) had a go at a couple of teenagers on a bus the other day too, as they were slagging "pakis" off.

[Jaydublin]

Like I said in the other thread, as these small acts of terror continue to pester everyday people they will grow increasingly fed up and start to retaliate. 1 big terror act puts people in shock like if some guy cheap shots you but a guy who walks around and bag tags you every now and then is setting himself up.

[Tex Pro]

[Tex Pro]

To the brits:

What is up with flying the English flag?

[Teedub]

Ah, the 9th pic down. They my friend are the U.A.F (Unite Against Fascism), a rent-a-mob of extreme left anarchists made up of idealistic students and the great unwashed. They defend radical Islam at every turn. I have a theory for this: Extreme Leftists hate Western civilization, Islamists hate Western civilization = Both use each other to bring down the West. If they were to succeed, I suspect the Islamists would quickly purge those lefties.

[Teedub]

(05-27-2013 02:01 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

To the brits:

What is up with flying the English flag?

How do you mean?

[Tex Pro]

(05-27-2013 02:05 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

(05-27-2013 02:01 PM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

To the brits:

What is up with flying the English flag?

How do you mean?

Is it flown a lot?

I remember in the Scottish Independence thread that someone from the U.K. said the English don't normally even fly the flag of England much.

Does the flag have nationalist sentiment in the U.K.?

[Teedub]

Yeah it sort of has a negative stigma to it. Has done since I was old enough to know about it, I'm not sure why it has previously, but now it is because it is primarily used by "far right" groups, like the ones seen in those pictures above. During International football tournaments, it is seen as perfectly 'acceptable' though.

[Screwston]

(05-27-2013 02:04 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Ah, the 9th pic down. They my friend are the U.A.F (Unite Against Fascism), a rent-a-mob of extreme left anarchists made up of idealistic students and the great unwashed. They defend radical Islam at every turn. I have a theory for this: Extreme Leftists hate Western civilization, Islamists hate Western civilization = Both use each other to bring down the West. If they were to succeed, I suspect the Islamists would quickly purge those lefties.

Good idea. You see it a lot in America to. Left leaning liberals and anarchists are quick to defend Muslims but will talk shit about every other religion all day. I think you could even say it's "hip" and "cool" to defend it in those circles but you'll be a black sheep if you try to do it with Christians.

[DjembaDjemba]

Fear mongering is all this is.

A bunch of low class chavs getting drunk and 'protesting'. A bunch of low class 'anti fascists' also joining the fray to antagonize tensions.

Civil war? Perhaps in an American racist nationalist's wet dream. Not in real life.

Most people don't give a shit about race and religion in the UK, and those who do needed an excuse to be racist trolls. They got their excuse; they'll get drunk, riot, shout racist slogans, talk about western civilization's supposed downfall on the internet, pick on and call out fully integrated 3rd generation non white immigrants going about their business, and go on about their degenerate ways. Eventually they'll forget and move on.

Most brits hate the EDL and BNP. They'll remain on the fringes of society.

Have a closer look at the headlines boys, this is being treated more as criminal investigation than a terrorist attack.

And to top it off, Crystal Palace vs Watford's playoff for the Premier League spot is now the top trending headline in the UK.

[Teedub]

A lot of the hate towards the EDL is 'classist' - as you've proved above. Indeed, much of the support are louts, but despite being a football hooligan, Tommy Robinson (the main leader) is heavily clued up on Shariah, Jihad etc and therefore he is indeed legitimately protesting. I don't support them, and no doubt there are full blown racists in the following...However, one of the leaders is a Sikh, you don't hear that mentioned anywhere, and the points made by Tommy Robinson are called "racist", "Islamophobic" etc, yet they are the exact same points made by leading Conservative writers such as Peter Hitchens and the brilliant Mark Steyn and Douglas Murray. The difference being, the latter are all middle class so it is deemed more acceptable when coming from their mouths.

(05-27-2013 02:41 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Most brits hate the EDL and BNP. They'll remain on the fringes of society.

The EDL will remain on the fringes, and the BNP are basically dead. However, take a few policies out of the BNP manifesto and ask the 'man in the street' if he agrees, and you'd find a remarkable number would. I find it absolutely remarkable that a man was beheaded in the streets of London, blood flowing into the gutter (Enoch Powell anyone?), and people are more bothered about shaming the EDL. When was the last time the EDL murdered anyone?

Krauser said it best in his twitter feed

[DjembaDjemba]

Teedub Wrote:

take a few policies out of the BNP manifesto and ask the 'man in the street' if he agrees, and you'd find a remarkable number would.

That's the case for any political movement.

[Teedub]

If you're interested, I came across this interview while looking into an EDL demo that happened yesterday:

Whatever you think of the media portrayal of him, it's difficult to dispute anything he says in this. It's nearly half an hour long and I didn't disagree with a single point. He said the exact same thing I said earlier in this thread about Wahabbi/Salafi Islam and the hypocrisy of the 'British soldiers are killing Muslims' argument, when in fact, Muslim's are killing other sect Muslims in far, far greater numbers.

[PoosyWrecker]

(05-25-2013 06:05 PM)Kristian Wrote:  

I don't know why so many people are afraid of islam...I think is a matter of fear...look at turkey..most of their Young population see the world in a tolerant way..turkey it's the example of development and example to the rest of the islamic world..

I have many muslim friends and they have explain to me all about the misconceptions and prejudices...and the more "radical" e.g. arabia saudí,yemen,pakistan...it's more a matter of culture rather tan religión...

Most of this Young generations with integrate with us without any problem

look at the christians...they have evangelist,mormons...are they tolernt?c'mon..

Are your friends cool with you gaming their Muslim women? I know that they are all about getting with your blondes. Go ahead and ask them...

Turkish parliament just passed a bill to restrict sales of alcohol.

If a believer leaves the fundamentalist Christian organizations he is shunned or ignored. The treatment is the same for Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism.

If a Muslim leaves Islam...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XRCYlZ4XOQ‎