[Scarlet_Terror]

I'm among the many who is utterly tired of the left slinging 'sexist' and 'racist' at everything, but now it seems half of the comments left on his posts are all ridicuous screeds against "race mixing" and intellectual gems such as "wake up white man"?

Even Roissy himself points out the fact that white women are the most 'racist' when it comes to dating outside their race, but that doesn't do much to quell the stupidity I'm starting to see crop up in his comments section.

[nicolas]

I like reading Roissy, but sometimes as a black man, I can't get over the latent internet racism that is magnified in the comment section of his site. Notice on the internet (and manosphere too), everytime a guys GF cheats on him, he almost always mentions it was a black guy if she cheated with a black guy. They never say she cheated with a white guy or Asian guy. They only mention race when its a black guy. Not to mention, how every girl who sleeps with a black guy gets labeled a slut and how she is damaged goods.

[Samseau]

I barely read Roissy as he's become rather repetitive.

Same goes for IMF, which is closing down. Stopped reading IMF almost a year ago.

[j r]

Just my humble opinion, but the Heartiste blog became unreadable some time ago. I don't know who's running the show over there now, but I doubt it's the original Roissy. Whoever is doing most of the writing now has a very definite political agenda and it's somewhat of a contrast from the original Roissy, who had a certain apolitical nonchalance.

The post themselves aren't always bad, but the writing hasn't really evolved. If you want to read Roissy, I suggest you start at the archives and work your way forward. You can judge for yourself how long it continues to add value.

[speakeasy]

(06-04-2012 12:31 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

I'm among the many who is utterly tired of the left slinging 'sexist' and 'racist' at everything, but now it seems half of the comments left on his posts are all ridicuous screeds against "race mixing" and intellectual gems such as "wake up white man"?

Even Roissy himself points out the fact that white women are the most 'racist' when it comes to dating outside their race, but that doesn't do much to quell the stupidity I'm starting to see crop up in his comments section.

It's because he has on his blogroll all these blogs like Steve Sailor and Half-Sigma who are into HBD. It then draws that whole fandom in. I stopped reading Roissy long ago after his comments section became indistinguishable from youtube. You can be sure Roissy has those beliefs as well although he doesn't explicitly come out and say it. He never condemns any of the racist comments on his blog nor ever challenges those points of view, so I assume tacit approval. I think Roissy is buddies with Virgil Kent, and Kent seems to bang a lot of white girls. So I wonder what Kent thinks of Roissy's blog and its readership?

The thing is, if you browse enough of these blogs, you'll see that there's a ton of racism in the manosphere. It's really a white male thing and many of them become libertarians and right-wing assholes in general. Thus why Ron Paul is the darling of the manosphere. I guess they figure that libertarianism is the best way for the white man to stick it to women and all these allegedly "parasitic" minorities.

[ATTA]

Roissy breaks down game to its genetic/biological/evolutionary foundation.

All other human behaviors and cultures are governed in large part by the same foundation. Race is no exception.

Plus, I don't think Roissy explicitly said his blog was solely reserved for game. His site is were 'Where Pretty Lies Perish' after all. The idea that race is social construct definitely is a pretty lie. Lulz

[Scarlet_Terror]

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It's because he has on his blogroll all these blogs like Steve Sailor and Half-Sigma who are into HBD. It then draws that whole fandom in. I stopped reading Roissy long ago after his comments section became indistinguishable from youtube. You can be sure Roissy has those beliefs as well although he doesn't explicitly come out and say it. He never condemns any of the racist comments on his blog nor ever challenges those points of view, so I assume tacit approval. I think Roissy is buddies with Virgil Kent, and Kent seems to bang a lot of white girls. So I wonder what Kent thinks of Roissy's blog and its readership?

The thing is, if you browse enough of these blogs, you'll see that there's a ton of racism in the manosphere. It's really a white male thing and many of them become libertarians and right-wing assholes in general. Thus why Ron Paul is the darling of the manosphere. I guess they figure that libertarianism is the best way for the white man to stick it to women and all these allegedly "parasitic" minorities.

I disagree with the libertarian angle. I've browsed around Stormfront quite a bit and I would describe them as anything BUT libertarian. I guess I get the racism angle due to the minorities having higher rates on the public dole, but it seems to me opposing race-mixing doesn't really align.

Maybe I'm biased because I'm a quasi-libertarian. I mean, I might even accept racial differences in average intelligence if there's data to support it, which is why I don't mind reading Half-Sigma or Steve Sailor, but to jump from that to 'WAKE UP WHITE MAN' and ridiculous rants about miscegenation is a whole other game. Mainstream libertarians generally are the least anti-gay/minority people out there. And I would argue most libertarians utterly deny a biological difference of intelligence between men and women or races.

I'm saying this as someone who is tri-racial.

[j r]

(06-04-2012 01:28 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

Roissy breaks down game to its genetic/biological/evolutionary foundation.

All other human behaviors and cultures are governed in large part by the same foundation. Race is no exception.

Plus, I don't think Roissy explicitly said his blog was solely reserved for game. His site is were 'Where Pretty Lies Perish' after all. The idea race is a social construct is definitely a pretty lie. Lulz

Yup, those are your only two choices. Either you believe that there's no such thing as race or you're an HBDer.

[raliv]

When it is all boiled down, males don't want any competition in getting sexual access to women. Lots of men find White women the most attractive so it makes sense for local men to try to limit as many competitors for them. Regardless of race, I would much rather be the only male in a room full of women. I'm sure all of us would support hot women immigrants than male immigrants. Even here on the forum, we are all looking for Poosy Paradises where the competition is lower for the most attractive women. We are all looking for an edge. Being "exotic" is good in getting women.

I am neither here nor there. Just my .02 on the White Nationalism thing with White PUAs

[j r]

Here's the other thing. Roissy's blog always got a strange mix of players and frustrated betas. The players tend not to care too much about race, but for the frustrated betas it becomes just another way that society has failed them.

[speakeasy]

(06-04-2012 01:41 PM)j r Wrote:  

Here's the other thing. Roissy's blog always got a strange mix of players and frustrated betas. The players tend not to care too much about race, but for the frustrated betas it becomes just another way that society has failed them.

Exactly. A lot of racism when you scratch the surface is about sexual competition. It's no coincidence that a lot of white males on Roissy's blog feel most threatened by black males having sex with white females. It's always been that way, going back even to slavery. Always an underlying paranoia about black male sexuality. I'm guessing that they just see black men as serious sexual competition. Whereas say a Chinese or Indian guy is not, so you never see them getting riled up about those groups the way they do about black guys. Thus they resort to shaming tactics of white women who sleep with black men that they would never apply to say, a white girl that had an Asian boyfriend in the past.

[ATTA]

(06-04-2012 01:51 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 01:41 PM)j r Wrote:  

Here's the other thing. Roissy's blog always got a strange mix of players and frustrated betas. The players tend not to care too much about race, but for the frustrated betas it becomes just another way that society has failed them.

Exactly. A lot of racism when you scratch the surface is about sexual competition. It's no coincidence that a lot of white males on Roissy's blog feel most threatened by black males having sex with white females. It's always been that way, going back even to slavery. Always an underlying paranoia about black male sexuality. I'm guessing that they just see black men as serious sexual competition. Whereas say a Chinese or Indian guy is not, so you never see them getting riled up about those groups the way they do about black guys. Thus they resort to shaming tactics of white women who sleep with black men that they would never apply to say, a white girl that had an Asian boyfriend in the past.

This might be the case for some, but I doubt this applies to everyone who comments on Roissy's blog or believes that race is a biological reality.

[speakeasy]

(06-04-2012 01:28 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

The idea that race is social construct definitely is a pretty lie. Lulz

I think it's most complex than that. In some ways, race is a sociological concept. For example, why is it that Seal and Vanessa Williams are both considered "black" even though they look nothing alike and have entirely different genetic packages? By law, going back to the one drop rule, if you were even 1/16th black you were considered black. Which means that you had people who looked indistinguishable from white people were considered "blacks" just because they had a drop of African blood. So in that sense, race has always been a sociological construct for African-Americans where people of a widely varying concentration of African blood were thrown into the same racial construct.

Another example -- In Russia, they consider anyone "black" if they aren't pure Slavic Russian. So even people that would be considered white in the U.S. such as Armenians are called "blacks" in Russia. And they are lumped together with people from all the Caucasus region and the -istan countries.

[j r]

(06-04-2012 01:57 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

This might be the case for some, but I doubt this applies to everyone who comments on Roissy's blog or believes that race is a biological reality.

Again, you say that like it's something incredibly meaningful. Eye color is a biological reality, but you wouldn't construct a whole ideology around it.

[Scarlet_Terror]

I reject the notion that race is just skin or a social construct, because it's clearly much more than that. Still wouldn't construct an entire ideology around it while making a fool out of myself. It comes off as so insecure.

I did see a Stormfront thread where a girl posted she had an asian bf before her "awakening" and they were pretty harsh on her as well.

[kolovrat]

HBD and Game are natural extensions of each other.

Supporting one and not the other is illogical. In some sense, hypocritical, I daresay.

[j r]

(06-04-2012 02:42 PM)kolovrat Wrote:  

HBD and Game are natural extensions of each other.

Supporting one and not the other is illogical. In some sense, hypocritical, I daresay.

Absolute bullshit. Game is based on the repeated empirical observations of how women respond to you over a large number of interactions. HDB is about inferring the supposedly innate characteristics of large groups of fairly heterogeneous populations based on speculation and biased observations. HBD is a series of Just-So Stories being passed off as rigorous intellectual discussion.

There's a pretty big difference between sex and race. Sex is a discrete characteristic and race is continuous. In other words, you're born either a man or a woman (with some statistically insignificant aberrations thrown into the mix). People can be bi-racial, tri-racial, or straight up mutts. Look at someone like Henry Louis Gates, who has 53% European ancestry according to DNA analysis. Does that mean that he's only half as likely to steal your hub caps?

[Arado]

I remember an old Roosh post when he bashed liberals and went on and on about how he was an enemy of the Southern Poverty Law Center...that sealed the deal linking the two in my mind. Steve Sailer is probably enemy #1 of the SPLC.

The spreading of the manosphere is intertwined with the white nationalist agenda. Both criticize social developments of the 1960's. Both criticize the welfare state. Both believe in nature over nurture.

The problem is that once you take on the attitude that the elites and the media have lied to you about male-female relations, it is only normal that that skepticism will next target the other pillar of modern liberalism.

The spreading of game ideas, once divorced from the hollywood propaganda of mystery and Ross Jeffries, and instead based on pure evolutionary psychology, will have deep consequences for society...beyond the fact that you'll need ever higher levels of game to compete.

Tread carefully...especially now that we see game concepts increasingly penetrating society.

[thegmanifesto]

(06-04-2012 02:55 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

The spreading of the manosphere is intertwined with the white nationalist agenda.

This is why I don't have any relation to the "manosphere".

Hell, I am still not even sure what the whole "manosphere" is. Sounds like some gay nightclub in SF or something.

But that is neither here nor there.

I have never understood the whole extreme right wing thing in regards to picking up girls.

Personally, I have never met in my entire life a person that was very conservative and actually got a lot of girls. Not a single one.

I am not saying they don't exist, I am just saying I have never seen it or met any.

And I have gone would 2-5 nights a week since high school.

[kolovrat]

I won't get into an extended discussion on this issue, first, because I came here specifically for game; second, because I do not know Roosh's and the moderators' attitudes to HBD issues.

That said, I do want to get one thing very clear: HBD and WN might have overlap, but they are mostly definitely not the same thing. HBD is based on numerous empirical observations, most importantly in psychometrics, and the evidence for it has been meticulously documented in The Bell Curve by Murray and Herrnstein, a book which has been groundlessly maligned. Herrnstein, by the way, is a Jew, so obviously no WN there.

Let me make an analogy. HBD to WN is like, say, Game to outright misogyny (e.g., support for honor killings, stoning for adultery, end of female suffrage, etc).

[speakeasy]

(06-04-2012 03:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

This is why I don't have any relation to the "manosphere".

Hell, I am still not even sure what the whole "manosphere" is. Sounds like some gay nightclub in SF or something.

Welcome back G. These are the kind of G-liners that I missed.

And for those saying game and HBD go hand and hand. Really??? All the black dudes I've met with game might take issue with that!

[Scarlet_Terror]

I kind of agree. I mean, the fact that race is continuous does not mean race doesn't exist. That's like saying color doesn't exist because the light spectrum blends together. There's absolute proof you can tell someone's race not only by their bones, but by their blood. It affects their reaction times, hormone levels, and disease vulnerability.

If 'race' is an icky word, we can use the phrase 'population groups' or 'ethnic groups'. And honestly, are white and asians slightly more intelligent on average when you compensate for socio-economic status? Probably. But why would you want to generalize that to individuals? I know way too many stupid shitty white people and too many cool black people to care that much.

[ATTA]

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[ATTA]

(06-04-2012 03:14 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

I kind of agree. I mean, the fact that race is continuous does not mean race doesn't exist. That's like saying color doesn't exist because the light spectrum blends together. There's absolute proof you can tell someone's race not only by their bones, but by their blood. It affects their reaction times, hormone levels, and disease vulnerability.

If 'race' is an icky word, we can use the phrase 'population groups' or 'ethnic groups'. And honestly, are white and asians slightly more intelligent on average when you compensate for socio-economic status? Probably. But why would you want to generalize that to individuals? I know way too many stupid shitty white people and too many cool black people to care that much.

So we should base public policy around individuals? Get real, dude.

[speakeasy]

(06-04-2012 03:21 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

So we should base public policy around individuals? Get real, dude.

Last I checked this nation's founding principle is individual liberty.

So tell us how exactly are we to base public policy around group membership? Yet alone even determine who is a part of what group.

And btw, why'd you delete your PDF about HBD studies?