[OGNorCal707]

I never got into Roissy's blog, I never understood what all the hype was about when people would talk him up as one of the best "game gurus" on the web. I always found his writing and game insights to be dry, long winded, boring, over-intellectualized and nothing special.

Anyways, I think it's lame that his site has gone down hill and he's got a bunch of racists followers. When it comes to internet stuff and other people's opinions, I really couldn't give a fuck what some idiot shmuck in podunk, Kansas has to say. No point in getting worked up over that shit.

There are definitely some white guys out there that are resentful of brothas with fine white women, maybe they just need to get out there and tap some black ass, and then maybe they wouldn't be so upset about it.

If Roissy or anyone else has got something valuable I'll read it, if the commenters are a bunch of racist beta pussies, then I'll skip their comments, or not read the comments at all.

[porscheguy]

Roissy is the race troll.

Most of his political entries come in just shy of outright finger pointing at various minority groups. He writes in such a way, that everyone knows who he's talking about even though he maintains just a little plausible denial so he never has to take any heat for his remarks. He then leaves it up to those who post comments to fill in the few blanks with the answers we are all quite aware of. While I'm not going to excuse the racist commentary, you shouldn't be surprised that it happens when the writer creates a scenario where racist commentary is the only possible outcome.

The most drastic change in tone was when the site transitioned from Roissy to Heartiste. That's when the racial/political shit increased. He then pushed it further late last year when he began to moderate the comments. Every single comment on that site is read and rejected or posted. So he's not even throwing random bullshit out there and sitting back to observe the reactions. No taking a passive role for him. He gets in there and post by post, he guides the discussion toward the exact outcome he's looking for.

[Mujeriego]

I enjoyed his early writing because of its nuanced take on game. Once the Lady Raine debacle occurred along with the ensuing redactions and name changes it went downhill. I highly doubt it's the same writer anymore judging from the shift in prose style and obsession with race.

[Excelsior]

(06-05-2012 12:12 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

As for white guys freaking over black guys getting with white girls:

This is basically human nature, more or less. Group of tribe A see their fertile charges fornicating with tribe B. Tribe A proceeds to get pissed. I'm sure when a black guy sees a hot black girl with a white guy, he doesn't start loving white guys either. Sex and bloodlines make for powerful instincts, especially when they mix. Yes, there's more to it than that, but to get all high and mighty about white guys getting protective of white women is pretty dubious.

As I said in my previous post in this topic, mere sexual competitiveness does not go far enough to explain the level of butthurt fuckery these men are displaying.

As for this bit:

Quote:

I'm sure when a black guy sees a hot black girl with a white guy, he doesn't start loving white guys either.

Be less sure.

I'm at a school where you're probably more likely to see a black female/white male couple than you are the reverse. It is the only place I've been where I've encountered black females who simply do not date black men, much like most of the white/asian girls here. Of the 4 most attractive black girls I can think of on campus (4 being a decent sample size-blacks aren't abundant here), 3 hook up almost exclusively with white males, and the other has dabbled with them extensively. Go down the list to talk about other cute black girls on campus, and you're looking at a lot of mixing that takes place almost exclusively with white males-probably half of the female population here in total primarily sees white men. These types of couplings are common here, even though the reverse remains fairly rare.

I'm quite used to seeing this by now, and I can honestly say I'm not bothered by the simple fact that the men these women are with belong to "another tribe". I am bothered by the fact that options for men who look like me (particularly those who lack lighter features) are so limited here, but the fact that these black girls have happened to be with white men in and of itself just isn't frustrating. They aren't "taking my women"-hell, those women really never belonged to me anyway.

This may sound cliched or idealistic to you, but I'm telling the truth when I say I really do not care about their choice of a white male. That factor, in and of itself, doesn't bother me. The act of seeing white men with black women, in and of itself, doesn't annoy me. Seriously, not a single fuck given. I just cannot conceive of this visceral, primal ethnocentric anger you describe, it isn't in me. If anything, I'd encourage more mixing of this kind (and we do see more now, especially in Europe-more on that later).

Granted, I'm used to seeing this. Of my aunts and female cousins, it is safe to say that a solid majority of them are with white and other non-black men, and most of the single ones date those men extensively and/or were married to them. I have uncles whose ethnicities range from Jewish to English to Egyptian, and aunts who cover the same range of diversity. In fact, my mother is probably the only one of her immediate family's generation (she has 3 sisters) to date exclusively black, and she's even more isolated when we count extended family members.

I go to reunions and see these couplings (many older, and many rather close to my age) all the time-I just don't react. This theory posits that I'm to be angered by the sight of "other" men with my female kin, but I'm just not. I can't relate to this feeling. I think I can honestly say that I would not be angered by my daughter bringing home a white male either, nor my son a white female.

I am just one person so I'll not extrapolate my own experience to everyone, but I will posit the following: when you say this is "more or less" a biological phenomenon, I am inclined to go with "less", or at the very least, less than people (especially these people) think.

Your anger at the mere act of interracial coupling is going to be heavily influenced by your culture and your upbringing. Being an EU citizen and having relatives across the anglosphere (most are still in Jamaica or the UK or at least grew up in either place), I've already seen a large difference in the acceptance of interracial relationships by country, and I'm not the only one. Interacial dating, particularly between blacks and whites, is proably more controversial here in the USA than it is in Canada or the UK, where out-marriage rates are a lot higher for minorities of both sexes and interracial couplings have been legal for much longer.

Biology plays a role here, but it does not explain anywhere near the total of this madness. There is absolutely much, MUCH more at play here.

[speakeasy]

^^^ I couldn't have put it better. I totally agree with Athlone's response to Basilransom. I too have no visceral negative reaction to seeing black women with non-black men. I might feel a slight pang of jealousy if the black girl is really hot and she's with a white dude that looks ugly. But that's probably the same way a black woman would feel if she saw a good looking black guy with some fat whale of a white woman. If the white guy is good looking and seems like he has game and he's with a sista, more power to him. My sister is currently cohabiting with a white guy and she has a kid by him. While I don't like the guy she's with at all on a personal level, I don't care at all about the fact that he's white. I just have gripes with him as a person, not as a white guy. In fact I've never seen my sister date anything but white guys IIRC, something I've often teased her about in the past, but don't really give a shit what race she dates.

And I agree, the biology thing is overblown. America is a peculiar country. We have a lot of racial hang ups caused by the dissonance of being founded on racial hierarchy and slavery, yet at the same time having a strong public culture of anti-racism, civil rights and political correctness. Thus you get all kinds of enigmas such as being the first Western country with a black president, yet all this racial drama at the ground level like you see unfold on Roissy/Heartiste, or Trayvon Martin, or Henry Louis Gates' comment, or whenever a spark sets off the powder keg.

[Hooligan Harry]

Its like Oprah in this place some days.

All the talk about white men feeling threatened by interracial relationships and feeling sexually inadequate compared to other men has to be some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever heard. I think this is a black man fantasy more than a white mans reality, and more a case of projecting inadequacy you may possibly feel when you make comments like that. This forum is inundated with threads started by brothers looking for easy white ass, which tells me if anyone views white pussy as some sort of prize, its probably the other way around.

Its much simpler than that and there is no mystery here worth pages and pages of psychoanalysis.

Racists think you are inferior

Nothing more, nothing less. A woman sleeping with someone inferior to them offends them. No different to her sleeping with a dog in their eyes. They would view her as defective and in many cases would not even touch her afterwards. Whites are not alone in this retardation either, I have seen it in Africa and its typical of the Japanese too. Honour killings in the middle east are par for the course. You think all the cock blocking in Turkey is because they dont like your accent? One of the ladies who worked on camp site I was at was stoned to death by her own family because she was caught with a Hutu man. This was in the Congo. A Hutu man looks the same as a dude from the Congo to me, but the difference to them was enough that it was punishable by death.

Its idiotic, but it is what it is

Roissy is within his rights to express his views, not matter what they are. Likewise the people who comment there. Either debate them or ignore them, but until you have someone in your face disrespecting you or threatening you, its a waste of energy getting too upset over it.

[j r]

(06-05-2012 04:50 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its like Oprah in this place some days.

All the talk about white men feeling threatened by interracial relationships and feeling sexually inadequate compared to other men has to be some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever heard. I think this is a black man fantasy more than a white mans reality, and more a case of projecting inadequacy you may possibly feel when you make comments like that. This forum is inundated with threads started by brothers looking for easy white ass, which tells me if anyone views white pussy as some sort of prize, its probably the other way around.

Its much simpler than that and there is no mystery here worth pages and pages of psychoanalysis.

Racists think you are inferior

Nothing more, nothing less. A woman sleeping with someone inferior to them offends them. No different to her sleeping with a dog in their eyes. They would view her as defective and in many cases would not even touch her afterwards. Whites are not alone in this retardation either, I have seen it in Africa and its typical of the Japanese too. Honour killings in the middle east are par for the course. You think all the cock blocking in Turkey is because they dont like your accent? One of the ladies who worked on camp site I was at was stoned to death by her own family because she was caught with a Hutu man. This was in the Congo. A Hutu man looks the same as a dude from the Congo to me, but the difference to them was enough that it was punishable by death.

Its idiotic, but it is what it is

Roissy is within his rights to express his views, not matter what they are. Likewise the people who comment there. Either debate them or ignore them, but until you have someone in your face disrespecting you or threatening you, its a waste of energy getting too upset over it.

I don't think that anyone is really upset or advocating some kind of protest campaign against CH. We are not feminists, after all. This is just a conversation about how a damn fine game blog went down the race troll rabbit hole.

And read the Justin Wayne thread that I quoted comments from and then tell me about some black fantasy about sexual insecurity. And just to be precise, insecurity is not a white guy trait, it's a trait of insecure, mentally weak men, some of whom happen to be white. Human psychology is complex and feelings of superiority are almost always grounded in insecurity. You can call that Oprah-talk if you like, but spend a couple of minutes reading those comments and try and dispute it.

[Hooligan Harry]

Its racism bud. Racists see others as inferior to them. Lower level. Animal like. And they see women who bang other races as inferior too, purely because they cannot understand how they relate to them on such an intimate level. They might as well be mating with an animal in their minds. Its so pathological they would not want to touch those women afterwards, so the disgust is visceral to them.

Sad I know, but what you gonna do? People are people, this shit is not going to change anytime soon. It may never stop.

But hey, if it makes everyone feel better by thinking that these guys are threatened by a black mans sexuality, then so be it. I think its as plausible as homophobia being a "fear of homosexuals", but believe it if you want to. Its not a fear or jealousy, its an irrational hatred.

Why everyone is surprised though that there is an overlap I dont quite understand. Game has a foundation in evolutionary psychology and biology. So does eugenics, which is the basis of racism. People who are inclined to buy into evolutionary psychology are going to be predisposed to accept eugenics and its impact on race too. Throw into the mix that white men ARE the scapegoat for the entire planet at the moment, and the backlash in an anonymous internet is to be expected.

Vote with your feet boys. If Roissy pisses you off, quit reading it. He substantiates his views and is hardly ignorant, but he has always been highly selective in what he has presented to prop up his argument. I pop in from time to time, but quit reading the comments years ago. Its always been a circle jerk and cheerleader squad.

[j r]

Just case you say something twice, doesn't make it anymore correct. Look at the actual comments. These guys are admitting that they think that black men have some sort of unfair advantage with white women. They're admitting their jealousy.

And that whole white man as victim shit is tired. In 2012, I don't have sympathy for anyone claiming victim status apart from actual personal experience. Even then, life ain't fair. It never has been.

[Paul Wanka]

“You see white people pissed off, man. Man, the white man thinks he’s losing the country. You watch the news: ”We’re losing everything. We’re fucking losing. ”Affirmative action, and illegal aliens…”and we’re fucking losing the country.” Losing? Shut the fuck up. White people ain’t losing shit. lf y’all losing, WHO’S WINNING? lt ain’t us. lt ain’t us. Have you driven around this motherfucker? lt ain’t us. Shit, there ain’t a white man in this room that would change places with me. None of you would change places with me. AND I’M RICH!”

—Chris Rock, Bigger & Blacker

[Deluge]

(06-05-2012 06:58 AM)j r Wrote:  

Just case you say something twice, doesn't make it anymore correct. Look at the actual comments. These guys are admitting that they think that black men have some sort of unfair advantage with white women. They're admitting their jealousy.

Quote from the very first comment.

"I shut that stupid video off about 3 minutes into this because there is no way that a white guy would make headway with that girl talking that ridiculous bullshit. One can analyze all they want, but he’s working “thank God I’m a black dude in a world where the white women are trained to fuck even the most utterly ridiculous of us” game………and absolutely nothing more."

(06-05-2012 06:58 AM)j r Wrote:  

And that whole white man as victim shit is tired. In 2012, I don't have sympathy for anyone claiming victim status apart from actual personal experience. Even then, life ain't fair. It never has been.

Every group calls itself a victim of something or other to advance their agenda.

On the topic of Roissy he's pretty good for backing up game shit with scientific studies, like his top post right now on Kino.

On the subject of HBD/Race Realism, I think everybody should take a look at this Bakadesuyo post (this site is bursting with knowledge, see the recent James Bond thread in the Game forum).
What's an easy way to improve how African Americans score on IQ tests? Keep in mind it's only one study, but it does raise some very interesting questions...

[j r]

(06-05-2012 07:27 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 06:58 AM)j r Wrote:  

And that whole white man as victim shit is tired. In 2012, I don't have sympathy for anyone claiming victim status apart from actual personal experience. Even then, life ain't fair. It never has been.

Every group calls itself a victim of something or other to advance their agenda.

That's why splitting the world into groups and agendas is stupid. Be a man and stand on your own two feet (not you personally). If there's an individual who is actually the victim of injustice, I will stand up for him, but this whole group victimization thing is just tiring.

[ATTA]

(06-05-2012 06:38 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its racism bud. Racists see others as inferior to them. Lower level. Animal like. And they see women who bang other races as inferior too, purely because they cannot understand how they relate to them on such an intimate level. They might as well be mating with an animal in their minds. Its so pathological they would not want to touch those women afterwards, so the disgust is visceral to them.

Sad I know, but what you gonna do? People are people, this shit is not going to change anytime soon. It may never stop.

But hey, if it makes everyone feel better by thinking that these guys are threatened by a black mans sexuality, then so be it. I think its as plausible as homophobia being a "fear of homosexuals", but believe it if you want to. Its not a fear or jealousy, its an irrational hatred.

Why everyone is surprised though that there is an overlap I dont quite understand. Game has a foundation in evolutionary psychology and biology. So does eugenics, which is the basis of racism. People who are inclined to buy into evolutionary psychology are going to be predisposed to accept eugenics and its impact on race too. Throw into the mix that white men ARE the scapegoat for the entire planet at the moment, and the backlash in an anonymous internet is to be expected.

Vote with your feet boys. If Roissy pisses you off, quit reading it. He substantiates his views and is hardly ignorant, but he has always been highly selective in what he has presented to prop up his argument. I pop in from time to time, but quit reading the comments years ago. Its always been a circle jerk and cheerleader squad.

+1. Look there are racists out there. Many white men do feel threatened and insecure about non-whites dating white women. The inverse is true too. I [white] was on the receiving end when I dated some black and Indian girls. It happens and this angst is more likely to persist rather than diminish over time.

But to say that all whites, or people like Roissy who voice dissatisfaction with our current society are racist is a little unfair. It's not an accurate term. They see their society crumbling and view the path to restoration in the rubble of traditional and more 'natural' ways of carrying out domestic policy.

[Kitsune]

I like Roissy's game posts, I don't mind his political posts. That said, I think it is important with all blogs to know why you are reading them; for instance, I read game blogs for game tips, not for political reasons. I like Roosh forum because there are other gamers, not because I agree with everything everyone here thinks on other stuff.

[speakeasy]

(06-05-2012 06:38 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its racism bud. Racists see others as inferior to them. Lower level. Animal like. And they see women who bang other races as inferior too, purely because they cannot understand how they relate to them on such an intimate level. They might as well be mating with an animal in their minds. Its so pathological they would not want to touch those women afterwards, so the disgust is visceral to them.

I actually agree with you here if we're talking about the wider society. However as some have pointed out, just read some of the comments and you can see this whole jealousy/white man as trampled upon victim thing playing out there. And it's not only Heartiste, I've seen such attitudes erupt on other manosphere/game blogs. I can find no better example than this, and there were many similar replies to choose from:

Quote:

I think its hard to separate the guy’s race from his success. In other words, being a Black man gets him a lot of slack and willingness to entertain offers, because of how Black men are perceived by White women: sexy.

After all, how many Black men are known as nerdy, abstract thinking oriented, bad with people but good with numbers/objects? Not many, that’s White/Asian guy territory. Nerd/Hipster, Otaku. The sweet spot being a highly educated Black guy with “street cred” penciled in aggressiveness/dominance. This stuff (see Kim Kardashian and her sisters) is quite popular with White women too.

**It is better to be thought by women a partial thug, than a partial nerd. Advantage: Black guy.**

I think a lot of White guys are upset and angry, because they can’t be that guy. They’re not Black. They don’t get the slack cut, the “one second come here” compliance. Running Street Game Direct Approach in NYC as a White guy? You’re likely to get the cops called. A Black guy? No way. “That would be racist.” A Black guy can and will get away with obnoxiously annoying behavior (defined as sexual interest by a guy not already proven Alpha) far more than a White guy. Not fifty or sixty years ago, but we live in today. That is an UNFAIR market advantage that is pretty much guaranteed to enrage Joe Average White guy no matter how carefully he hides it or tells lies to himself.

Since we are talking about the relative success and failure of guys with the limited pool of non-obese, attractive women.

The guy in the video seemed nervous. Seeking approval. Fast talking due to nerves. “Hot” not cool. But was not blown out because he was Black. IMHO, its better for about 95% of White guys (the top 5% can clearly approach like the Wayne in the video) NOT to approach. They will fail. Miserably. And failure begets more failure. Rather, social proof game, cultivating a circle of female friends to leverage for social approval, is far more productive for guys on the Weird Al rather than Kanye West side of things.

What this video taught me: if you are Black, women will put with a lot more than if you’re an Average White guy (note: the top 5% White guys can do the same). I can see why guys don’t approach absent social proof, same social circle, etc. A cold approach for a White guy is pretty much doomed to fail. JMHO.

The guy was running the equivalent of a street hustle. That’s what I got, anyway.

^^ Now see what I mean here? You have slapdicks running around actually thinking it's an advantage to be black if you are talking to white girls. These dudes live in a parallel universe of their own creation if they really believe that bullshit. I would love to turn guys like this black for a year and then see if they remain this ignorant.

Quote:

But hey, if it makes everyone feel better by thinking that these guys are threatened by a black mans sexuality, then so be it.

As evidenced above, some clearly do.

[Giovonny]

I've noticed that guys who complain about not getting girls are often the same guys who are likely to complain about government, politics, and everything else..

They have this whole "victim mentality"

They are the victim of feminism
They are the victim of politics
They are the victim of racism
They are the victim of the dating market


They are always the victim. They are always complaining

They think everything is a conspiracy against them.

I just call them losers.

[Excelsior]

(06-05-2012 04:50 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

All the talk about white men feeling threatened by interracial relationships and feeling sexually inadequate compared to other men has to be some of the most ridiculous nonsense I have ever heard. I think this is a black man fantasy more than a white mans reality, and more a case of projecting inadequacy you may possibly feel when you make comments like that. This forum is inundated with threads started by brothers looking for easy white ass, which tells me if anyone views white pussy as some sort of prize, its probably the other way around.

I'm not sure you read what I said.

I did not speak of such a thing as a "white mans reality". Such a statement would imply that I was speaking generally about all white men, which I was not.
I was speaking about a group of men who tend to inhabit certain areas of the internet and tend to display large amounts of insecurity when it comes to their own sexuality and how it relates to black men. Much of the vitriol you see here directed in particular at black men is a result of that insecurity.

You're right, it would be silly of me to try and imply that all white men feel inadequate when compared to other men, and insecurity follows.

It is not silly, however, of me to imply that some (not all) men may indeed harbor such feelings of inadequacy, especially when the evidence for such a conclusion is quite blatantly put forward by the men themselves.

Yes, racists think that blacks are inferior. The sexually competitive component of this phenomenon, however, cannot be ignored and has very little to do with Oprah. Envy and insecurity are a very real part of this.

[Roosh]

When I was first starting out in the game, I learned mostly from black guys. I thought that being black made it easier to get laid.

But after a couple years I realized that it was much harder for them, simply because a large percentage of girls are wholly closed off to dating a minority. It looked easier at the time because they had game, not because they were black.

Thinking that black guys have it easy dating white women is due to a lack of success or just plain inexperience. On any available white girl, I'd have to work less than my black friend (unless she happens to be a chocoholic). Even on middle class black girls, black guys have to work harder than white guys.

[nicolas]

A lot of slavery and the reconstruction era was about white guy insecurity. Even back then, black men were alleged to have big penises. That is why those white guys were afraid black male sexuality. I remember reading a history account from a few hundred years ago discussing the rumors that black men had bigger penises. Kinda shocking they were discussing the same stuff we discuss today.

[ATTA]

(06-05-2012 02:40 PM)nicolas Wrote:  

A lot of slavery and the reconstruction era was about white guy insecurity. Even back then, black men were alleged to have big penises. That is why those white guys were afraid black male sexuality. I remember reading a history account from a few hundred years ago discussing the rumors that black men had bigger penises. Kinda shocking they were discussing the same stuff we discuss today.

What does this have to do with Roissy and commentators on his website? I feel penis size isn't really the issue for these guys. It's more like they're frustrated by blacks being statistically more violent, over represented in the media and government jobs, racial double-standards, et cetera.

[Scarlet_Terror]

(06-05-2012 03:22 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

What does this have to do with Roissy and commentators on his website? I feel penis size isn't really the issue for these guys. It's more like they're frustrated by blacks being statistically more violent, over represented in the media and government jobs, racial double-standards, et cetera.

Are you serious? Those are all relatively reasonable and true observations. That's not what the losers on Roissy's site are talking about. They're whining about white civilization, race mixing, and the nonsense that non-white men have an easier time with white women (which any non-white guy will tell you is BULLSHIT).

[j r]

(06-05-2012 03:22 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

What does this have to do with Roissy and commentators on his website? I feel penis size isn't really the issue for these guys. It's more like they're frustrated by blacks being statistically more violent, over represented in the media and government jobs, racial double-standards, et cetera.

In what imaginary world are you living? It sounds like an interesting place.

We are talking about guys who watched a three-minute video of a black guy running game on white chicks and then complained they were nauseous or had to go lie down or some other type of bitch-made shit. Is Justin Wayne violent? Is he the recipient of some kind of racial double-standard? Tell me exactly what he did to reserve the reaction from those commenters.

[ATTA]

(06-05-2012 03:35 PM)j r Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 03:22 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

What does this have to do with Roissy and commentators on his website? I feel penis size isn't really the issue for these guys. It's more like they're frustrated by blacks being statistically more violent, over represented in the media and government jobs, racial double-standards, et cetera.

In what imaginary world are you living? It sounds like an interesting place.

We are talking about guys who watched a three-minute video of a black guy running game on white chicks and then complained they were nauseous or had to go lie down or some other type of bitch-made shit. Is Justin Wayne violent? Is he the recipient of some kind of racial double-standard? Tell me exactly what he did to reserve the reaction from those commenters.

Who said I was ever talking about that specific video? I'm not. I'm talking about Roissy and the large population of people who share his thoughts and musings on race and genetics. I don't give a shit about that video.

[j r]

(06-05-2012 03:39 PM)ATTA Wrote:  

Who said I was ever talking about that specific video? I'm not. I'm talking about Roissy and the large population of people who share his thoughts and musings on race and genetics. I don't give a shit about that video.

Then what are you saying? You're making vague references to justifiable white anger and yet you can't actually point to what you're talking about or relate to what's happening on the CH site. I pointed out actual examples of what those commenters are saying and it's obvious bullshit. How hard is that to admit?

[SkeletonJelly?]

Roissy hasn't said a thing about black guys having it easier with game. His commenters might, and some of them probably focus on it en masse, but all I've seen Roissy tweet are more political, un-PC thought, or scientific studies. I doubt he thinks they have it better unless he's referring to when they compete with beta SWPLs