[blackglasses]

(01-21-2013 04:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 02:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I have a customer service job during the week at a mall. On the side I do labor and I have done some semi-gay things for money just no penetration. Not proud but I really need the money.

Like what semi gay things? How much did you make?

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

[Vicious]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 04:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 02:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I have a customer service job during the week at a mall. On the side I do labor and I have done some semi-gay things for money just no penetration. Not proud but I really need the money.

Like what semi gay things? How much did you make?

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

If I wasn't on my phone this is where I'd enter the 'not sure if serious' dog pic...

I don't even know where to start.

[BoiBoi]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 04:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 02:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I have a customer service job during the week at a mall. On the side I do labor and I have done some semi-gay things for money just no penetration. Not proud but I really need the money.

Like what semi gay things? How much did you make?

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

WTF!?

[Kish]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

Straight women need to start offering this service.

[Moma]

I think blackglasses acct got hacked?

[A CLOCKWORK TRADER]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 04:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 02:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I have a customer service job during the week at a mall. On the side I do labor and I have done some semi-gay things for money just no penetration. Not proud but I really need the money.

Like what semi gay things? How much did you make?

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

[Neo]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

I hope this is a or shit just got real again. There was already too much gay on this board with that "When have you ever sucked dick" thread a while back.

[Beyond Borders]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 04:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 02:24 PM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I have a customer service job during the week at a mall. On the side I do labor and I have done some semi-gay things for money just no penetration. Not proud but I really need the money.

Like what semi gay things? How much did you make?

craigsist has ads where gay guys will [pay 50 bucks to suck a straight guy. i am not kidding. not a good thing but i have made up to 500 in a week. I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

Yeah,fuck working at McDonald's... LOL

[Blaze Frazier]

Making less than someone working at Wal-Mart, so I need to figure something out soon.

[rdvirus]

Lmfao totally didn't expect that one.. Shit if it gets to that point start selling drugs. Atleast maintain your dignity haha

[Beyond Borders]

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

(02-20-2013 04:42 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

Making less than someone working at Wal-Mart, so I need to figure something out soon.

Not going to comment much more on black glasses since I don't know if he's kidding, trolling, or the victim of a hacker, but I've been dwelling on money dynamics a lot lately and have come to the conclusion that it's absolutely crazy to not be able to make money. I find being broke a lot of the time has to do with simply thinking you're too good for the type of work that pays. As if you should have somehow been doing something better by that point and taking a grunt job is an admission of your failure to live up to your potential.

Mainly, manual labor is what I'm getting at here.

I've actually got stuck in that mindset before too, without even realizing it, and put myself in broke-ass situations because of it. So I can't talk too much. But it really is crazy when you think about it in the right perspective...

Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but manual labor has never paid me less than $20 per hour, and if I were to be completely honest, I have no real skills in this department.

Don't want to ruin your body? Work a dead-end job? or hang with ignorant meatheads your whole life? While all those points are debatable on their own merits, there's no point in even addressing them because of this...You don't have to do it forever.

Here's a scenario for a guy with a goal.

- Get a manual labor job working for $20 per hour. Hell, I've mowed lawns, run weed-eaters, and dug ditches for $20-$30 an hour. None of those require more skill than you could teach a 13-year old in fifteen minutes.

- If you work 10-hours a day, common with hard labor, that's $4000 a month, and in this particular scenario, you'll hopefully be working under the table, so no taxes (only if you're outside the US, of course, because I'd certainly never imply gettin' one over on "Uncle" Sam tsk tsk).

- Live on $1000 a month. Yes, I know that sounds like fuck all in the States, but you could if you tried, so bear with me here. How bad do you want something better?

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could live on $500 a month in most places if I really wanted to...

The problem with most laborers (who actually make decent cash), is they're shit at keeping it in their pockets. They like cool toys, they travel long distances to work, they throw money at women, and, most of all, they like blowing buckets of cash at the bar with their buddies.

So commit to living at $1000 a month. Find the cheapest accommodations you can. Make a low-budget plan for food. Tiring yourself at work will make it so you don't need to go out as much, and if you've got extra time on the weekends, start an internet biz, wait some tables, or watch movies on Netflix and jack off.

- Put the left-over $3000 a month in savings or a stash of cash for now. Every. Single. Month.

- Get this. In 5 short months, you'd have $15,000 saved up by following that plan. 5 months goes by fast when you're on the grind...After all, what did YOU accomplish in the last 5 months?

- Now, go do something with that 15K that puts you up to the next level. Do not waste it on stupid shit!

Hell, you might even decide to stick with it for a year and set $36,000 aside. Or spot an opportunity somewhere in there that could turn into something much bigger...

But even if not, can you think of some way you could leverage that initial 15K? Some training you could get or a place where you could take a cashed-out RV and bust your ass (North Dakota) to the next level?

Of course you can.

Will you have to make sacrifices? Sure. But you'd learn a lot too, maybe build some valuable skills. Learn how to socialize with other guys. Prove something to yourself.

Even if you're embarrassed about being a man that doesn't have man-like skills or that true grit, just keep in mind that everyone has to learn somewhere. maybe you'll even have to start at $15 because of your lack of experience - oh well. Sure, the homies at the job site will clown the new guy at first, but even if you had more skill than them they'd clown you about something else. It's just what they do.

Shit, walk by a work site and you'll see that most laborers aren't made of steel or anything. They're just average peeps who use their bodies to bring in a paycheck.

Anyhow, not even sure what you do for a living, Blaze, but I just thought this post would fit here. Hope it helps someone who's in a bind.

[pitt]

Great post BB as always.

But can you really make 4000 dollars per month mowing lawns or digging ditches?

How can you get one of these jobs?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-20-2013 05:51 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

(02-20-2013 04:42 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

Making less than someone working at Wal-Mart, so I need to figure something out soon.

Not going to comment much more on black glasses since I don't know if he's kidding, trolling, or the victim of a hacker, but I've been dwelling on money dynamics a lot lately and have come to the conclusion that it's absolutely crazy to not be able to make money. I find being broke a lot of the time has to do with simply thinking you're too good for the type of work that pays. As if you should have somehow been doing something better by that point and taking a grunt job is an admission of your failure to live up to your potential.

Mainly, manual labor is what I'm getting at here.

I've actually got stuck in that mindset before too, without even realizing it, and put myself in broke-ass situations because of it. So I can't talk too much. But it really is crazy when you think about it in the right perspective...

Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but manual labor has never paid me less than $20 per hour, and if I were to be completely honest, I have no real skills in this department.

Don't want to ruin your body? Work a dead-end job? or hang with ignorant meatheads your whole life? While all those points are debatable on their own merits, there's no point in even addressing them because of this...You don't have to do it forever.

Here's a scenario for a guy with a goal.

- Get a manual labor job working for $20 per hour. Hell, I've mowed lawns, run weed-eaters, and dug ditches for $20-$30 an hour. None of those require more skill than you could teach a 13-year old in fifteen minutes.

- If you work 10-hours a day, common with hard labor, that's $4000 a month, and in this particular scenario, you'll hopefully be working under the table, so no taxes (only if you're outside the US, of course, because I'd certainly never imply gettin' one over on "Uncle" Sam tsk tsk).

- Live on $1000 a month. Yes, I know that sounds like fuck all in the States, but you could if you tried, so bear with me here. How bad do you want something better?

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could live on $500 a month in most places if I really wanted to...

The problem with most laborers (who actually make decent cash), is they're shit at keeping it in their pockets. They like cool toys, they travel long distances to work, they throw money at women, and, most of all, they like blowing buckets of cash at the bar with their buddies.

So commit to living at $1000 a month. Find the cheapest accommodations you can. Make a low-budget plan for food. Tiring yourself at work will make it so you don't need to go out as much, and if you've got extra time on the weekends, start an internet biz, wait some tables, or watch movies on Netflix and jack off.

- Put the left-over $3000 a month in savings or a stash of cash for now. Every. Single. Month.

- Get this. In 5 short months, you'd have $15,000 saved up by following that plan. 5 months goes by fast when you're on the grind...After all, what did YOU accomplish in the last 5 months?

- Now, go do something with that 15K that puts you up to the next level. Do not waste it on stupid shit!

Hell, you might even decide to stick with it for a year and set $36,000 aside. Or spot an opportunity somewhere in there that could turn into something much bigger...

But even if not, can you think of some way you could leverage that initial 15K? Some training you could get or a place where you could take a cashed-out RV and bust your ass (North Dakota) to the next level?

Of course you can.

Will you have to make sacrifices? Sure. But you'd learn a lot too, maybe build some valuable skills. Learn how to socialize with other guys. Prove something to yourself.

Even if you're embarrassed about being a man that doesn't have man-like skills or that true grit, just keep in mind that everyone has to learn somewhere. maybe you'll even have to start at $15 because of your lack of experience - oh well. Sure, the homies at the job site will clown the new guy at first, but even if you had more skill than them they'd clown you about something else. It's just what they do.

Shit, walk by a work site and you'll see that most laborers aren't made of steel or anything. They're just average peeps who use their bodies to bring in a paycheck.

Anyhow, not even sure what you do for a living, Blaze, but I just thought this post would fit here. Hope it helps someone who's in a bind.

Yeah, I have mentioned construction work many times on this forum for the young bucks.

I did it when I was younger and loved it. Decent coin if you hustle and work all the angles.

Men should know how to work with their hands.

And another added benefit? No other job in your life will seem as hard.

It makes you a good worker and tough.

Now go throw on the Carharts and spark up a smoke and get to work.

[FretDancer]

Great post BB. Manual labor should be something everyone should try at least once. Including myself, I've yet to try it, but I'm all for it

[at350zguyy]

(02-20-2013 05:51 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 06:37 AM)blackglasses Wrote:  

I thought it was gross at first but there is nt much you can do when you need money

(02-20-2013 04:42 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

Making less than someone working at Wal-Mart, so I need to figure something out soon.

Not going to comment much more on black glasses since I don't know if he's kidding, trolling, or the victim of a hacker, but I've been dwelling on money dynamics a lot lately and have come to the conclusion that it's absolutely crazy to not be able to make money. I find being broke a lot of the time has to do with simply thinking you're too good for the type of work that pays. As if you should have somehow been doing something better by that point and taking a grunt job is an admission of your failure to live up to your potential.

Mainly, manual labor is what I'm getting at here.

I've actually got stuck in that mindset before too, without even realizing it, and put myself in broke-ass situations because of it. So I can't talk too much. But it really is crazy when you think about it in the right perspective...

Maybe it's just the area I'm from, but manual labor has never paid me less than $20 per hour, and if I were to be completely honest, I have no real skills in this department.

Don't want to ruin your body? Work a dead-end job? or hang with ignorant meatheads your whole life? While all those points are debatable on their own merits, there's no point in even addressing them because of this...You don't have to do it forever.

Here's a scenario for a guy with a goal.

- Get a manual labor job working for $20 per hour. Hell, I've mowed lawns, run weed-eaters, and dug ditches for $20-$30 an hour. None of those require more skill than you could teach a 13-year old in fifteen minutes.

- If you work 10-hours a day, common with hard labor, that's $4000 a month, and in this particular scenario, you'll hopefully be working under the table, so no taxes (only if you're outside the US, of course, because I'd certainly never imply gettin' one over on "Uncle" Sam tsk tsk).

- Live on $1000 a month. Yes, I know that sounds like fuck all in the States, but you could if you tried, so bear with me here. How bad do you want something better?

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could live on $500 a month in most places if I really wanted to...

The problem with most laborers (who actually make decent cash), is they're shit at keeping it in their pockets. They like cool toys, they travel long distances to work, they throw money at women, and, most of all, they like blowing buckets of cash at the bar with their buddies.

So commit to living at $1000 a month. Find the cheapest accommodations you can. Make a low-budget plan for food. Tiring yourself at work will make it so you don't need to go out as much, and if you've got extra time on the weekends, start an internet biz, wait some tables, or watch movies on Netflix and jack off.

- Put the left-over $3000 a month in savings or a stash of cash for now. Every. Single. Month.

- Get this. In 5 short months, you'd have $15,000 saved up by following that plan. 5 months goes by fast when you're on the grind...After all, what did YOU accomplish in the last 5 months?

- Now, go do something with that 15K that puts you up to the next level. Do not waste it on stupid shit!

Hell, you might even decide to stick with it for a year and set $36,000 aside. Or spot an opportunity somewhere in there that could turn into something much bigger...

But even if not, can you think of some way you could leverage that initial 15K? Some training you could get or a place where you could take a cashed-out RV and bust your ass (North Dakota) to the next level?

Of course you can.

Will you have to make sacrifices? Sure. But you'd learn a lot too, maybe build some valuable skills. Learn how to socialize with other guys. Prove something to yourself.

Even if you're embarrassed about being a man that doesn't have man-like skills or that true grit, just keep in mind that everyone has to learn somewhere. maybe you'll even have to start at $15 because of your lack of experience - oh well. Sure, the homies at the job site will clown the new guy at first, but even if you had more skill than them they'd clown you about something else. It's just what they do.

Shit, walk by a work site and you'll see that most laborers aren't made of steel or anything. They're just average peeps who use their bodies to bring in a paycheck.

Anyhow, not even sure what you do for a living, Blaze, but I just thought this post would fit here. Hope it helps someone who's in a bind.

Solid post, BB. I have a boring day job that gives me a lot of free time. I've been scouting college basketball as a volunteer/intern lately, but when college basketball season ends I was thinking of picking up another hustle to get some extra money. I took a pay cut to keep my old job and have been able to stick to the under $1000 a month living. The winter is a brutal time to be doing construction work where I live, but I'll look into waiting tables or something else just for the extra income.

[Beyond Borders]

(02-20-2013 07:42 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Great post BB as always.

But can you really make 4000 dollars per month mowing lawns or digging ditches?

How can you get one of these jobs?

For sure.

To be completely honest, those particular examples aren't ideal, as it may be harder to keep the work flowing unless you find someone who runs a landscaping biz and pays a solid rate. But they're out there. I live in a rural area where everyone is cash rich and have never had issues keeping the schedule full of this type of work (when I wanted it).

Mostly for property owners, etc, but you'll also find the ocaissional jack of all trades who does this stuff on the regular as an under-the-table business model.

I'd recommend construction-related jobs as a better way - start out fetching tools and cleaning up after every one else and move your way up to pounding nails. I hear there are a lot of casinos being built near San diego right now, and thus a lot of demand for laborers in the area, but I can't vouch for it. Concrete work is hard as hell but pays. Roofing.

Drywall is an especially good one because you can do it year-round - same with painting. For under-the-table work, just walk in to job sites and ask someone who doesn't look too busy if you can speak to the guy in charge. If you're humble and look eager to work, someone will give you a chance to bust your ass. You can find jobs on Craigslist sometimes too.

As an alternative, pick up your phone book and hunt down all the big construction firms in your local area. I'd get their address and walk right into the office to ask about work. These guys probably have a basic process for entry-level laborers, but you'll most likely have taxes taken out of the paycheck too.

Best way, however, is if you went to high school or college in the area. Call up everyone who ended up in construction or a trade and ask if they know someone who needs a hand. This is how most hiring goes down in labor jobs. Call friends that live far away and relocate if you have to - guys you went to school with, guys you were in the military with, guys whose sisters you shagged for a while, your cousins, brothers, uncles...

Network in bars, especially sports bars. But get out of the bars after you land some work because you'll need to save $$$ - it'll be tempting to get caught up partying every weekend with the younger guys on the crew.

And every one of us knows, I would think, one or two guys who got into construction work right out of high school and has been all about business ever since. Maybe owns a couple big trucks and a nice house but works 6 or 7 days a week. Probably has his contractor's license and may dabble in real estate now.

You might have always considered him simple, maybe even "blue pill," lol, but this guy is smart, skilled, and very well-connected. Call him first, even if it means swallowing your pride.

Or if you want to work for yourself and live in an area with decent weather, buy a lawn mower, a weed-eater, a leaf-blower, and a stack of books on "how to start a landscaping business." Marketing will be your biggest challenge, but your sweet spots are getting in with property management companies and other self-employed tradesmen, like painters, for instance.

I did this in college and soon had three of my bros working for me. I just drove around bidding jobs between classes.

My buddy got out of rehab last year, a guy who can't hold down a job to save his life, and did the same. After getting in with a rental company's good graces, he had far more work than he could handle and was calling me to ask for help. Had his cousin working for him too.

Threw it all away when he went off the deep end again, but if he'd have stuck with it...

A junk-hauling biz can do great too, if you've got a truck. Connect with a friend who'll sell all the cool stuff you get from jobs on Craigslist and split the profit with you.

Remember that when you act the entrepreneur yourself the expenses are your responsibility, so be sure to figure them into your rates and quotes. There will be a learning curve.

[Deepdiver]

After reading the "Gay Work" post that really astounded me - especially on a Red Pill site - I decided to post this informal data sheet:

Independent Painting Contractor is probably the best Job you can create for yourself in most places in the country.... After 9-11 IT/Systems work got so slow that I looked at buying a paint contracting biz in the old money/new money multi-millionaires upscale Boston suburbs from an acquaintance and worked with him for several months to recon the opp (turned out he was a pot smoking and dealing hustler who wanted to keep first count of the money and have me do and manage all the work so he could take his GF's out on his sail boat for pot, booze and phuk cruises - not bad work if you can find a sucker).

Anyways he had a $180K to $200K+ backlog of work most all the time and was making money hand over fist in a seacoast suburb of Boston popular with rich corp execs, MD/DMD/Lawyers and mutual fund/stock broker types.

The dirty little secret of this business is that most work is instigated by ladies and over a glass of wine will admit they do not like to and will not hire illegals due to the horror stories of stuff being robbed or worse rapes - because of this if they get a referral from their church for a good man they can trust they will wait nearly forever to get "their man" on the job. He also scoped out the local divorcee's who cleaned out some poor bastard in a divorce lottery and would do a few of their "honey do" jobs for standard rates and picked up a few stay over perks when the kids were with their old man - had at least a half dozen in his rotation - also kept them supplied with POT which is now legal for med purposes in MA so had a steady cash side income - one of the divorcee's had two trusts worth more $20M so he never gave a discount - he actually charged at least double and did a meticulous job and they were ecstatic especially if you tell them if there is any little spot you do not like let me know and I will fix it.

As I was going to say ladies many who now own the homes as widows or divorcees always get referrals from people they trust and now they do use Angie's list a lot so take your time - do a good job and leave the place clean every day if working for homeowners. SBA in most areas teaches basic how to bid a job courses - it is simple in painting - labor for prep and paint and materials and that is it.

Look for upscale areas and do what my acquaintance did befriend a few of the local pastors - do some odd painting jobs for them pro bono and they will be so happy they will announce that you are a painter and they will introduce you as such. Various protestant sects are happy to do this to intro new members though RC not so much - you can stack at least 3 services per Sunday ask around and you can sniff out the old and new money parishes.

Don't forget to ask the pastor and ladies for glowing reviews on Angies List - help them set up their accounts it you have to. (Have reviews pre-printed for the job describing the great prep paint and clean up job you did and give them with the final bill).

What are the start up costs? Rent a local UPS Mail Box Etc mailing address for the card and just get an unlimited phone and text plan... So Vista Print Biz cards $10, a UPS/MBE biz adx $150 a year, Smart Phone you probably already have (Be sure to get everyone's emergency Phone so that every spring and summer and fall you can send text SMS campaign on your services - no discounts - but inform them when you are available to book work almost always had a 2 to 3 month backlog and scheduled indoor only jobs for the fall and took winter off and went to FLA.

Painting is personal to ladies they do NOT want people in their homes they can not trust and who might trash the place (Never Smoke or Drink on the job and clean up all trash every day - brign your own lunch coffe tea and water they will respect you more - until you convert them to MILF Divorcee rotation - it is really that simple) so if you can be clean cut and social - do a great job you will get a lot of referrals and with the MILF Divorcees lots of poon rotation as well as great pay and perks - better gig than straight pimpin. Invest in a pair of clean painters pants and shirt - shower and shave before each bid as though you are going out on a date - a little cologne for the ladies will not hurt - make sure it is the understated expensive stuff they like their men to wear - no alchohol on your breath ever even if she is a drinker - also find a local hot honie lass who does wallpapering and stenciling and crap and sub her on some of your jobs - having a young woman out of work college grad who works with you puts the Widows, Divorcees and MILFs at ease. Keep a few wing girls in rotation for work and pleasure as they flake as soon as any better shiny object comes along - no worries - keeps you in a fresh rotation - new rich out of work college girls who take unmarketable psych socialogy dance art etc majors from upscale areas every year - Ads to teach them painting and interior decoration - will get plenty at $10 to $15 an hour under the table. Make sure you see their licenses and never bang anything under 19-20 as the "18 year olds" lie when they are only jail bait - not good for biz to get arrested on a statutory.

Tips of the Trade - While bidding always drop your biz card off a local Real Estate Agents office managers and tell them you are expert at prepping and painting a home for sale - light pressure wash and a good coat of one coat paint as many corp relos are empty and the best sales tool is a fresh coat of paint - on these jobs they are quick and dirty and often paid for by the agency office manager owner to insure a quick sale - lots of ways to fix dry rot with painters caulk and silicone window putty and keep notes of the repairs you would make if you bought the house and then come back and offer to due a buff and polish job for the new owners and then point out the problems areas you found - but NEVER point out problems before you get the buff a polish job as they might catch on oe the fact that the fresh paint job their Realtor mentioned was a Q&D or quick and dirty - always best to find the problems during a new buff and polish job for any odds and ends they might like and then charge accordingly to "maintain their homes value".

Tip 2 every town has a premium paint shop like Sherwin Williams - get an account and network there and ask them about their new stripping, prep, primer, caulks and paints and their opinion of the best way to prep a certain job - most are owner operated or the manager gets a bonus incentive so most will review you bids even visit the site to give you their cost and hours opinion and keep it secret. Remember it always takes more time to prep than to paint a job and most upscale men and women would rather golf and shop then paint and ladies want stuff painted every year. The SW guys will keep it secret so they get your order versus Loews or Home Depot - Sherwin Williams will even carry you on most local jobs till you get paid.

The best tip of all - remember this is the key to Painting jobs - YOU NEVER take a job without being paid up front for initial Labor and all Materials - 50% to start (Your Materials and Labor), 25% (Your Labor) when half Done and 25% just before you finish (Your Profit) - and if they do not pay you file a mechanics lien which almost never happens with local networking via Church Game - only happens with flippers and even then you can get a mechanics lien and a sheriff's lien of their other property. Most bids for the cost of a full painting job in upscale areas on most outside jobs run from $10K to $100K depending upon size and prep needed since last paint job and $5K to $50K inside - if there are layers of paint you can sell an extensive sanding and prep line item then prime and caulking and two layers of "One Coat" paint to insure the job lasts and you can pass on the Sherwin Williams Paint Shop Guarantee to the owners when the job is done - the paint will never peel or bubble if you prep prime and caulk correctly and Sherwin Williams takes the blame (Leave an extra gallon or so of unopened paint on the Job for maintenance touch ups which is another chance to network and sell and always ask for glowing Angie's List referrals and youwill work the months you want and get paid for your time and earn at least 25% profit for each job which you can stash for your future income property location independent living fund.

Also another tip - many local jewelers and check cashing companies will cash checks for a 3% fee and give you all cash to stash or buy gold and silver bullion as a hedge against hard times which almost never effect the top 10% upscale towns as much as the working class. Yes most painters start by working under the radar all cash - just DO NOT deposit large sums of regular cash into any Accounts $5K or 10K plus it is all tracked - your initial job checks can be signed over to Sherwin Williams and they will often refund you labor portion in cash just to get your biz with NO check cashing fee - good idea to deposit some of your profits say a fifth of what you clear and claim that as junk hauler handyman self employment income and never mention you are a painter - keep a low profile - drive a clean truck - leave the toys at your winter home in Fla/Az/Vegas/Gulf Coast - never flaunt your affluence near where you earn so as not to arouse IRS or State revenue suspicions - and you now have the the ultimate Blue Collar self employment income that you can start any where with a phone and MBE box adx, your wheels and a metal Box of Staples work orders and a clean set of Painters pants - embroider your first name on your shirt and be friendly and you are looking at $100K plus income after expenses in most upscale residential areas - btw always have a written work order and the emergency contact info (Cell/SMS, Home Phone, Email, Address) on every work order to prove to any nosy neighborhood watch or local cops you have a valid reason to be working there in case the Homeowners/MILFs are out - ladies love to go shopping or to the spa or the club when their home is being painted - inside if you have to move a lot of furniture and cover it in the center of the room with new canvas paitners tarps - factor that into your time and materials costs.

You will have cash in surplus and a rotation of MILFs and out of work college women painters future decorators working for you in no time - and never bang the MILFs in front of your worker bee snowflakes or vice verse - always send the snowflakes home first after they clean up while you stay and inspect the job with your MILF divorcees - if you are clean and keep a clean work site every day these MILF ladies will start projecting how you are the man of their dreams versus the MD/DMD/Lawyer/CEO/Indian Chief they took the house and a few million from along with Alimony and Child Support. As he likely traded her in on two 20 somethings he could care less who his ex is banging as long as you leave his kids alone.

There are also plenty of local hard body targets of opportunity to be found in these town's cafes and summer restaurants and tourist beaches and as the saying goes ass gas or grass nobody rides for free!

Eventually deals will present for you to flip using your cash cushion - most realtors will give you a bank check loan against your cash for the buff and polish flip and get their note repaid and commission at the close and never pay more than 5% unless the realtor brought you a real steal - estate fixer upper - distraught MILF divorcee that wants to dump the place and move in with her mother 1,000 miles away (Buy a few of the flip this house books for tips and tricks.) Distressed Divorcees often just what to get what they can as fast as they can - so keep your eyes open for flip deals.

I was inspired to write this - not much of a formal Biz Plan but works anywhere even for young men so that no man ever has to resort to Gay biz work of any kind - actually the Gay Decorators make a fortune and will be happy to have a good painter on call and get their oral action from someone else on CraigsList - just saying...

Guys times can be tough in some areas but "Gay Work" - WTF over - get real would you rather make $50 a pop polishing knobs or $2K $5K $25K $50K down to start a job that covers both your materials and starting labor and than 25% when half complete (your Labor) and then the last 25% (your Profit) the day before the job is completed always one day before you have to "pay your crew" of out of work College grad hard body future MILFs to feed your pipeline and bequeath it to any future sons ...very grateful sons as your legacy. If you stay off the booze and drugs while on the job you will have a significant advantage over the other 90% of Painters who are alcoholics and substance abusers.

Keep in mid the 80/20 Pareto rule - 80% of the middle class will go for competitive bids - the Upper Class 20% only have people in their homes referred by people they can trust not to rob rape or assault them - they pay a premium for a good job and security - so make sure your crew is young hot out of work college grad honies that want to learn the biz and become Decorators themselves (Ads Learn to Paint and Work with Interior Decorators - like moths to a light - and if you do not want them in your rotation keep them for hooking up with the husbands or bitchy MILFs they will both love you and she will need you to paint her new love nest wen she becomes a kept mistress and spend her days at the gym spa beach when he is with the bitchy MILF) (She will feed you even more biz for setting her up and an occasional bang to keep you in her rotation for when the Bitchy MILF gives him and ultimateum and she needs your help to find a new mark to keep her). If you teach the HBH snowflake right she will wind up the new MRS and have even more work for you when he buys her a new $5 Million dream home.

Make sure to have the worker bee honies leave their phones locked in the truck glove compartment when on the job - they slow down to a crawl when they have a cell phone in their hands - no booty calls on the job - an no illegals to scare the crap out of the customers... it is what it is. This way you just pay the HBH hard body honies $10 to $15 an hour under the table and the hot slower workers you offer to hook up as mistresses or keep in your rotation as long as they do a good job. This biz works on so many levels it is amazing really. You can even offer to manage empty homes on Airbnb when the owners are away on vacation (Snow Birds if you want) and help them pay their taxes - with the new BHO and State Millionaire's taxes they will all be looking for secure extra income and Airbnb offers great liability owners damages insurance as well. Can keep your rotation as the house honey supers in housing during the off season and use them to clean and keep the place picture perfect and charge the owners for that as well. Allows your honey rotation to network year round in upscale locations generating location independent income for you while you have passport will travel to somewhere warm to service your new rotation. Idea is to rotate honies and MILFs in and out of your orbit before they get all home nesting cozy LTR thoughts unless that is what YOU want. Biz can stay small or get as big (House Paint Flip deals) as you like and works in most civilized places on earth - Oh if you operate under the radar DO NOT paint your name on your Truck - no need to attract the tax man - remember you are not a business contractor - you are just a local handyman - have some handyman cards as well to give out to those you do not know just in case... Keep a low profile and accumulate serious cash and flip properties you want to keep and rent out for your retirement.

Tell your rotation you are playing golf going to a gym visiting dear old Grannie whatever on Sunday mornings - never bring any in rotation to Church will only complicate your Church biz game and hurt your cash flow.

Not much of a formal data sheet but very factual and will work 100% of the time in upscale areas for any one who can show up clean cut and sober on the job and has half a brain and willing to attend a few sermons every Sunday and network the church ladies and pastor and drop a few bucks in when they pass the hat.

Hope some find this useful info here.

[travolta]

These days I'm a full time affiliate marketing scumbag. I don't do SEO/blogging bullshit, I do paid traffic. It's high risk/high reward, but there is big money to be made. I advertise on traffic sources such as Facebook and Google AdWords. I worked at it full time and lost money almost every day for a solid 13 months, but eventually I figured something out. These days I'm making nice money from it. On Sunday I banked >900 profit. Today was a "slow" day (I'll make about $300 profit by the end of the day).

The main issue with what I do is that it's EXTREMELY volatile. You can make x,xxx profit/day for a week, and everything can come crashing down the next day. SO many things can go wrong. Until you get the hang of it, it's extremely confusing/tedious. But once you hit a big campaign and know what you're doing it's practically passive income. The other day I woke up at 12, went to the gym, saw a movie in the theaters, went to whole foods, came home, and noticed that I made $700 profit. I can't really complain these days. I finally have enough money to move out of my parents place and move to NYC (just looking for the right place now). If all goes well then next year I'll likely get on the international playboy lifestyle.

The other downside is that I spend most of my time sitting in front of my computer and I don't get out as much as I'd like to (which will change very soon when I move to NYC).

I'd recommend this to anybody who has LOTS of time to kill (which you have to spend learning new skills), more patience than you know what to do with, and who is willing to burn through about $6-10k. I'd especially recommend this to the young guys living at home with your parents still... find a side job and invest 80% of your paychecks into this. Use the other 20% for personal things. The pros of this industry FAR outweigh the cons. One caveat... I only hit success with this because I have a VERY smart mentor who was willing to teach me. (Not to sound like a douche, but I'm not willing to mentor anybody new right now so don't waste your time ask me). IMO, finding a good mentor is the absolute biggest factor in determining your success. You'll never learn as fast as you're capable of without a good mentor.

[temujin]

Piggy back off your parents.

If they have a business, apply some young thinking to it, market the shit out of it, and expand it into an empire.

If they work in a profession, leverage their knowledge and industry contacts to start a business that markets something to people in that field. Or join them to start a "father & son" or "mother & son" business.

If you don't have parents you can piggy back off of, find relatives you can.

If not relatives, then work for free for somebody who'll let you piggy back off them after time served.

It's always easy to piggy back off someone who can give you a running start versus doing something from scratch.

[Deepdiver]

And if you do not know how to Paint like a Pro - just ask the local paint shops who the great local independent operators are and offer to work for them under the table for a few months $10 to $15 to $20 an hour - in 2 or 3 months you will know all the tricks of the trade - develop a steady fast hand and be good to go on your own. Of course keep that a secret to yourself and do not tell them you are the future competition - normally plenty of work to go around to legit guys.

[user10726]

I handle the city-wide brand image/activation of 2 internationally successful spirit brands through promotions and merchandising as my main source of income.
This job only requires me to work around 3 days a week so I'm looking to gain another source of income through my own skills (rather than working for someone)
I've thought about setting up my own brand activation business but every time I try I spend about 2 hours thinking of a name/logo and then give up.
Also I have no idea how I'd find my first client with no portfolio...

[Deepdiver]

And if you do not know how to Paint like a Pro - just ask the local paint shops who the great local independent operators are and offer to work for them under the table for a few months $10 to $15 to $20 an hour - in 2 or 3 months you will know all the tricks of the trade - develop a steady fast hand and be good to go on your own. Of course keep that a secret to yourself and do not tell them you are the future competition - normally plenty of work to go around to legit guys.

Beauty is you never buy any special equipment until you have the job and the up front 50% pays for it - rent at first and then buy (Pressure washers, compressors, orbital sanders, scaffolds/ladders, sprayers for bigger jobs, super expensive oil paint trim brushes, metal brush holders in oil and auto pressure rollers etc etc)... Most guys get a trailer with a hitch lock they can leave their gear and extra primer, paint, tarps etc in overnight without it being stolen and keeps the job site clean and organized.

[Deepdiver]

(03-05-2013 11:07 PM)bret Wrote:  

I handle the city-wide brand image/activation of 2 internationally successful spirit brands through promotions and merchandising as my main source of income.
This job only requires me to work around 3 days a week so I'm looking to gain another source of income through my own skills (rather than working for someone)
I've thought about setting up my own brand activation business but every time I try I spend about 2 hours thinking of a name/logo and then give up.
Also I have no idea how I'd find my first client with no portfolio...

Help us understand what you mean by brand image "activation" - finding clients is the easy part - give some more background on what you actually do that the clients are willing to pay for...

[Merenguero]

(03-05-2013 09:25 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

After reading the "Gay Work" post that really astounded me - especially on a Red Pill site - I decided to post this informal data sheet:

Independent Painting Contractor is probably the best Job you can create for yourself in most places in the country.... After 9-11 IT/Systems work got so slow that I looked at buying a paint contracting biz in the old money/new money multi-millionaires upscale Boston suburbs from an acquaintance and worked with him for several months to recon the opp (turned out he was a pot smoking and dealing hustler who wanted to keep first count of the money and have me do and manage all the work so he could take his GF's out on his sail boat for pot, booze and phuk cruises - not bad work if you can find a sucker).

Anyways he had a $180K to $200K+ backlog of work most all the time and was making money hand over fist in a seacoast suburb of Boston popular with rich corp execs, MD/DMD/Lawyers and mutual fund/stock broker types.

The dirty little secret of this business is that most work is instigated by ladies and over a glass of wine will admit they do not like to and will not hire illegals due to the horror stories of stuff being robbed or worse rapes - because of this if they get a referral from their church for a good man they can trust they will wait nearly forever to get "their man" on the job. He also scoped out the local divorcee's who cleaned out some poor bastard in a divorce lottery and would do a few of their "honey do" jobs for standard rates and picked up a few stay over perks when the kids were with their old man - had at least a half dozen in his rotation - also kept them supplied with POT which is now legal for med purposes in MA so had a steady cash side income - one of the divorcee's had two trusts worth more $20M so he never gave a discount - he actually charged at least double and did a meticulous job and they were ecstatic especially if you tell them if there is any little spot you do not like let me know and I will fix it.

As I was going to say ladies many who now own the homes as widows or divorcees always get referrals from people they trust and now they do use Angie's list a lot so take your time - do a good job and leave the place clean every day if working for homeowners. SBA in most areas teaches basic how to bid a job courses - it is simple in painting - labor for prep and paint and materials and that is it.

Look for upscale areas and do what my acquaintance did befriend a few of the local pastors - do some odd painting jobs for them pro bono and they will be so happy they will announce that you are a painter and they will introduce you as such. Various protestant sects are happy to do this to intro new members though RC not so much - you can stack at least 3 services per Sunday ask around and you can sniff out the old and new money parishes.

Don't forget to ask the pastor and ladies for glowing reviews on Angies List - help them set up their accounts it you have to. (Have reviews pre-printed for the job describing the great prep paint and clean up job you did and give them with the final bill).

What are the start up costs? Rent a local UPS Mail Box Etc mailing address for the card and just get an unlimited phone and text plan... So Vista Print Biz cards $10, a UPS/MBE biz adx $150 a year, Smart Phone you probably already have (Be sure to get everyone's emergency Phone so that every spring and summer and fall you can send text SMS campaign on your services - no discounts - but inform them when you are available to book work almost always had a 2 to 3 month backlog and scheduled indoor only jobs for the fall and took winter off and went to FLA.

Painting is personal to ladies they do NOT want people in their homes they can not trust and who might trash the place (Never Smoke or Drink on the job and clean up all trash every day - brign your own lunch coffe tea and water they will respect you more - until you convert them to MILF Divorcee rotation - it is really that simple) so if you can be clean cut and social - do a great job you will get a lot of referrals and with the MILF Divorcees lots of poon rotation as well as great pay and perks - better gig than straight pimpin. Invest in a pair of clean painters pants and shirt - shower and shave before each bid as though you are going out on a date - a little cologne for the ladies will not hurt - make sure it is the understated expensive stuff they like their men to wear - no alchohol on your breath ever even if she is a drinker - also find a local hot honie lass who does wallpapering and stenciling and crap and sub her on some of your jobs - having a young woman out of work college grad who works with you puts the Widows, Divorcees and MILFs at ease. Keep a few wing girls in rotation for work and pleasure as they flake as soon as any better shiny object comes along - no worries - keeps you in a fresh rotation - new rich out of work college girls who take unmarketable psych socialogy dance art etc majors from upscale areas every year - Ads to teach them painting and interior decoration - will get plenty at $10 to $15 an hour under the table. Make sure you see their licenses and never bang anything under 19-20 as the "18 year olds" lie when they are only jail bait - not good for biz to get arrested on a statutory.

Tips of the Trade - While bidding always drop your biz card off a local Real Estate Agents office managers and tell them you are expert at prepping and painting a home for sale - light pressure wash and a good coat of one coat paint as many corp relos are empty and the best sales tool is a fresh coat of paint - on these jobs they are quick and dirty and often paid for by the agency office manager owner to insure a quick sale - lots of ways to fix dry rot with painters caulk and silicone window putty and keep notes of the repairs you would make if you bought the house and then come back and offer to due a buff and polish job for the new owners and then point out the problems areas you found - but NEVER point out problems before you get the buff a polish job as they might catch on oe the fact that the fresh paint job their Realtor mentioned was a Q&D or quick and dirty - always best to find the problems during a new buff and polish job for any odds and ends they might like and then charge accordingly to "maintain their homes value".

Tip 2 every town has a premium paint shop like Sherwin Williams - get an account and network there and ask them about their new stripping, prep, primer, caulks and paints and their opinion of the best way to prep a certain job - most are owner operated or the manager gets a bonus incentive so most will review you bids even visit the site to give you their cost and hours opinion and keep it secret. Remember it always takes more time to prep than to paint a job and most upscale men and women would rather golf and shop then paint and ladies want stuff painted every year. The SW guys will keep it secret so they get your order versus Loews or Home Depot - Sherwin Williams will even carry you on most local jobs till you get paid.

The best tip of all - remember this is the key to Painting jobs - YOU NEVER take a job without being paid up front for initial Labor and all Materials - 50% to start (Your Materials and Labor), 25% (Your Labor) when half Done and 25% just before you finish (Your Profit) - and if they do not pay you file a mechanics lien which almost never happens with local networking via Church Game - only happens with flippers and even then you can get a mechanics lien and a sheriff's lien of their other property. Most bids for the cost of a full painting job in upscale areas on most outside jobs run from $10K to $100K depending upon size and prep needed since last paint job and $5K to $50K inside - if there are layers of paint you can sell an extensive sanding and prep line item then prime and caulking and two layers of "One Coat" paint to insure the job lasts and you can pass on the Sherwin Williams Paint Shop Guarantee to the owners when the job is done - the paint will never peel or bubble if you prep prime and caulk correctly and Sherwin Williams takes the blame (Leave an extra gallon or so of unopened paint on the Job for maintenance touch ups which is another chance to network and sell and always ask for glowing Angie's List referrals and youwill work the months you want and get paid for your time and earn at least 25% profit for each job which you can stash for your future income property location independent living fund.

Also another tip - many local jewelers and check cashing companies will cash checks for a 3% fee and give you all cash to stash or buy gold and silver bullion as a hedge against hard times which almost never effect the top 10% upscale towns as much as the working class. Yes most painters start by working under the radar all cash - just DO NOT deposit large sums of regular cash into any Accounts $5K or 10K plus it is all tracked - your initial job checks can be signed over to Sherwin Williams and they will often refund you labor portion in cash just to get your biz with NO check cashing fee - good idea to deposit some of your profits say a fifth of what you clear and claim that as junk hauler handyman self employment income and never mention you are a painter - keep a low profile - drive a clean truck - leave the toys at your winter home in Fla/Az/Vegas/Gulf Coast - never flaunt your affluence near where you earn so as not to arouse IRS or State revenue suspicions - and you now have the the ultimate Blue Collar self employment income that you can start any where with a phone and MBE box adx, your wheels and a metal Box of Staples work orders and a clean set of Painters pants - embroider your first name on your shirt and be friendly and you are looking at $100K plus income after expenses in most upscale residential areas - btw always have a written work order and the emergency contact info (Cell/SMS, Home Phone, Email, Address) on every work order to prove to any nosy neighborhood watch or local cops you have a valid reason to be working there in case the Homeowners/MILFs are out - ladies love to go shopping or to the spa or the club when their home is being painted - inside if you have to move a lot of furniture and cover it in the center of the room with new canvas paitners tarps - factor that into your time and materials costs.

You will have cash in surplus and a rotation of MILFs and out of work college women painters future decorators working for you in no time - and never bang the MILFs in front of your worker bee snowflakes or vice verse - always send the snowflakes home first after they clean up while you stay and inspect the job with your MILF divorcees - if you are clean and keep a clean work site every day these MILF ladies will start projecting how you are the man of their dreams versus the MD/DMD/Lawyer/CEO/Indian Chief they took the house and a few million from along with Alimony and Child Support. As he likely traded her in on two 20 somethings he could care less who his ex is banging as long as you leave his kids alone.

There are also plenty of local hard body targets of opportunity to be found in these town's cafes and summer restaurants and tourist beaches and as the saying goes ass gas or grass nobody rides for free!

Eventually deals will present for you to flip using your cash cushion - most realtors will give you a bank check loan against your cash for the buff and polish flip and get their note repaid and commission at the close and never pay more than 5% unless the realtor brought you a real steal - estate fixer upper - distraught MILF divorcee that wants to dump the place and move in with her mother 1,000 miles away (Buy a few of the flip this house books for tips and tricks.) Distressed Divorcees often just what to get what they can as fast as they can - so keep your eyes open for flip deals.

I was inspired to write this - not much of a formal Biz Plan but works anywhere even for young men so that no man ever has to resort to Gay biz work of any kind - actually the Gay Decorators make a fortune and will be happy to have a good painter on call and get their oral action from someone else on CraigsList - just saying...

Guys times can be tough in some areas but "Gay Work" - WTF over - get real would you rather make $50 a pop polishing knobs or $2K $5K $25K $50K down to start a job that covers both your materials and starting labor and than 25% when half complete (your Labor) and then the last 25% (your Profit) the day before the job is completed always one day before you have to "pay your crew" of out of work College grad hard body future MILFs to feed your pipeline and bequeath it to any future sons ...very grateful sons as your legacy. If you stay off the booze and drugs while on the job you will have a significant advantage over the other 90% of Painters who are alcoholics and substance abusers.

Keep in mid the 80/20 Pareto rule - 80% of the middle class will go for competitive bids - the Upper Class 20% only have people in their homes referred by people they can trust not to rob rape or assault them - they pay a premium for a good job and security - so make sure your crew is young hot out of work college grad honies that want to learn the biz and become Decorators themselves (Ads Learn to Paint and Work with Interior Decorators - like moths to a light - and if you do not want them in your rotation keep them for hooking up with the husbands or bitchy MILFs they will both love you and she will need you to paint her new love nest wen she becomes a kept mistress and spend her days at the gym spa beach when he is with the bitchy MILF) (She will feed you even more biz for setting her up and an occasional bang to keep you in her rotation for when the Bitchy MILF gives him and ultimateum and she needs your help to find a new mark to keep her). If you teach the HBH snowflake right she will wind up the new MRS and have even more work for you when he buys her a new $5 Million dream home.

Make sure to have the worker bee honies leave their phones locked in the truck glove compartment when on the job - they slow down to a crawl when they have a cell phone in their hands - no booty calls on the job - an no illegals to scare the crap out of the customers... it is what it is. This way you just pay the HBH hard body honies $10 to $15 an hour under the table and the hot slower workers you offer to hook up as mistresses or keep in your rotation as long as they do a good job. This biz works on so many levels it is amazing really. You can even offer to manage empty homes on Airbnb when the owners are away on vacation (Snow Birds if you want) and help them pay their taxes - with the new BHO and State Millionaire's taxes they will all be looking for secure extra income and Airbnb offers great liability owners damages insurance as well. Can keep your rotation as the house honey supers in housing during the off season and use them to clean and keep the place picture perfect and charge the owners for that as well. Allows your honey rotation to network year round in upscale locations generating location independent income for you while you have passport will travel to somewhere warm to service your new rotation. Idea is to rotate honies and MILFs in and out of your orbit before they get all home nesting cozy LTR thoughts unless that is what YOU want. Biz can stay small or get as big (House Paint Flip deals) as you like and works in most civilized places on earth - Oh if you operate under the radar DO NOT paint your name on your Truck - no need to attract the tax man - remember you are not a business contractor - you are just a local handyman - have some handyman cards as well to give out to those you do not know just in case... Keep a low profile and accumulate serious cash and flip properties you want to keep and rent out for your retirement.

Tell your rotation you are playing golf going to a gym visiting dear old Grannie whatever on Sunday mornings - never bring any in rotation to Church will only complicate your Church biz game and hurt your cash flow.

Not much of a formal data sheet but very factual and will work 100% of the time in upscale areas for any one who can show up clean cut and sober on the job and has half a brain and willing to attend a few sermons every Sunday and network the church ladies and pastor and drop a few bucks in when they pass the hat.

Hope some find this useful info here.

This is one of the best posts I have read on the forum. There is one thing I would like to add, however. Painting an existing residential structure can be, and often is, considered "home improvement." In many states, home improvement contractors are required to obtain a specific license which allows them to act as a home improvement contractor. Acting as a home improvement contractor without the proper license is a criminal offense in the jurisdiction in which I practice, among other jurisdictions. Many people who work as painting and/or home improvement contractors can work in that capacity for many years without the required license and never have one problem. Generally, if the work is properly done, the homeowner does not complain and not having a license is a non-issue. That is too big of a risk to take. Obtaining the proper license is crucial, not only to avoid possible criminal prosecution, but also to be able to show homeowners that you are properly licensed. At least some homeowners will require proof that you are properly licensed before agreeing to contract you.

Most of the cases in which a homeowner files criminal charges against a home improvement contractor are not cases in which the only work being performed by the contractor is painting. Most cases involve constructing an addition, carpentry work, drywall, etc. Generally, the problem is that the contractor either doesn't finish the work or doesn't perform to the homeowner's satisfaction which leads the homeowner to inquire with the proper agency to see if the contractor is properly licensed. If the contractor is not properly licensed, charges are often filed for acting as a contractor without a license, failure to perform a contract, and/or theft. Theft is a more extreme problem where instead of failing to complete the job or performing in an unsatisfactorily manner, a contractor accepts a payment, then never performs any part of the job.

My point is, find out exactly what licenses, permits, bonding, and insurance is required in the state in which you plan to plan to operate a painting business and make absolute sure that you comply with all applicable laws.

[w00t]

(03-05-2013 09:40 PM)travolta Wrote:  

These days I'm a full time affiliate marketing scumbag. I don't do SEO/blogging bullshit, I do paid traffic. It's high risk/high reward, but there is big money to be made. I advertise on traffic sources such as Facebook and Google AdWords. I worked at it full time and lost money almost every day for a solid 13 months, but eventually I figured something out. These days I'm making nice money from it. On Sunday I banked >900 profit. Today was a "slow" day (I'll make about $300 profit by the end of the day).

The main issue with what I do is that it's EXTREMELY volatile. You can make x,xxx profit/day for a week, and everything can come crashing down the next day. SO many things can go wrong. Until you get the hang of it, it's extremely confusing/tedious. But once you hit a big campaign and know what you're doing it's practically passive income. The other day I woke up at 12, went to the gym, saw a movie in the theaters, went to whole foods, came home, and noticed that I made $700 profit. I can't really complain these days. I finally have enough money to move out of my parents place and move to NYC (just looking for the right place now). If all goes well then next year I'll likely get on the international playboy lifestyle.

The other downside is that I spend most of my time sitting in front of my computer and I don't get out as much as I'd like to (which will change very soon when I move to NYC).

I'd recommend this to anybody who has LOTS of time to kill (which you have to spend learning new skills), more patience than you know what to do with, and who is willing to burn through about $6-10k. I'd especially recommend this to the young guys living at home with your parents still... find a side job and invest 80% of your paychecks into this. Use the other 20% for personal things. The pros of this industry FAR outweigh the cons. One caveat... I only hit success with this because I have a VERY smart mentor who was willing to teach me. (Not to sound like a douche, but I'm not willing to mentor anybody new right now so don't waste your time ask me). IMO, finding a good mentor is the absolute biggest factor in determining your success. You'll never learn as fast as you're capable of without a good mentor.

Damn I used to be into affiliate marketing and made a couple of hundred bucks a month. It was great I wasnt doing shit but at some point the manufacturer of the product I promoted stopped the affiliate program and I was back to zero. Paid traffic sounds good if you have a working formula, but I dont really wanna invest any money. I was relying on organic traffic and it can take ages before you got a decent amount of visitors.

I make a living with online freelancing nowadays which beats sitting in an office all day, but this post reminds me I really need to get my shit together and start building some passive income again. Its about 8 PM and I still have to write 2 articles about shit I couldnt care less about. Meanwhile other dudes just scratch their nuts and have cash rolling in.

Have you considered selling your own info product? If you know how to drive traffic and convert you might as well be selling your own stuff and not have to rely on third parties anymore.