[Tex]

At the end of the day, Roosh is doing this because he's always been a man of conviction.

[Caduceus]

Roosh - 2 months ago you wrote various posts about how you had some kind of very profound experience while taking mushrooms:

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(03-24-2019 11:46 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I tried mushrooms for the first time with a knowledgeable friend, after over a year of considering it. The experience was profound. I'm in the process of putting the experience into words, which will take some time, but what I realized is this:

This world that we're in is a gift from God. He made it for us, but there are "house rules" we must follow. When we're done here, we separate from the body and go back "home" to the source. It's where we are from but also where we have always been and always will be.

In the future I'll have much more to say about what I experienced. The pharmacological effect of mushrooms removed two kinds of "filters": (1) ones that are there for our own safety to prevent information overload and (2) ones that were installed by the world of men to control us. I don't advise you take mushrooms without an experienced guide. This is not a shortcut if the proper mental framework and knowledge is not already there.

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(03-25-2019 07:54 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Because I "died" while on the mushrooms and saw what happens after death. I saw it.

If you read the Bible, it seems like so many people are having Godly "visions" or they hear voices, but we don't have that today. I believe that most likely came from the pineal gland, the "third eye", which was the antenna to communicate with the spirit. Our pineal gland in modern times has atrophied and is calcified in most people because of the poisons (pesticide, plastics, phytoestrogens, etc) in our environment. A substance like mushrooms facilitates the line of communication with the spirit, but consider that mushrooms have existed alongside man. It's very possible that they were always used. Mushrooms is like increasing the bandwidth to the unseen from modem dial-up to broadband.

You're in eternal communion with God, or rather, he's always connected to you. Recently I have been specifically asking Him for help. I was getting answers in the form of thoughts in my own voice, and then on the mushrooms I received a more specific message that came from outside myself.

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(03-25-2019 03:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I took two doses of 1.8 grams spaced about 90 minutes apart. Each dose was soaking in ~1/3 cup lemon juice for over an hour. My guide, who has done mushrooms before, said this was the first time he did it in lemon juice, and that it caused a far heavier onset of effect than normal.

I think many of us here are very curious to read the full write-up of your experience.
Will you share this with us soon ?

[Papi Rico]

[quote] (05-23-2019 09:04 PM)Tex Wrote:  

[quote='Papi Rico' pid='1983667' dateline='1558663189']

Maybe you did go a bit overboard with game. And you're going extreme here too. I'm saying take away all the sex you've ever had. You're a virgin. Are you now going to sit there and debate that your ability to connect with a woman wouldn't be so fucked up and distorted that you'd have a hard time genuinely building a relationship? That you could control your thirst and act like a normal guy still wondering what pussy felt like?

Not to mention being able to weed out good girls from bad girls. We've all been fooled before--in that 500 girls you banged, did you not at least learn how to find a quality woman? Because if so then you learned the first rule of being a good husband: finding a good wife.

I never thought I'd have to explain these things on the Roosh V Forum. To a guy with 80+ reps no less. I think we're actually on the same page here. Premarital sex has irreplaceable utility to becoming a guy that can get a quality wife and keep her happy and put your thirst in check so you make a measured, smart decision on who to marry.[/quote]

You call me an extreme case, then you ask for my input.

You ask me about my current sexual abilities, then you ask me to compare myself to my virgin self.

You claim you have to explain me things, then you say we're on the same page.

I've been in your shoes before: hyper-enthusiastic about game and its benefits. In that phase I actually didn't make much sense either.

Good night, Tex.

[Syberpunk]

This is all the work of Built to Fade, god damn it people! I told you, I told you!

[Tex]

(05-23-2019 09:20 PM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

You call me an extreme case, then you ask for my input.

You ask me about my current sexual abilities, then you ask me to compare myself to my virgin self.

You claim you have to explain me things, then you say we're on the same page.

I've been in your shoes before: hyper-enthusiastic about game and its benefits. In that phase I actually didn't make much sense either.

Good night, Tex.

You told me you banged 500 women in 100 countries, then you complain I called you extreme.

You say it's good we can't talk about premarital sex because we should leave our excesses behind--but you shut down when I point out you probably benefited from those same excesses you'd want to deny newer guys.

I explain things to you even though it looks obvious you deep down do agree with me.

(Evidenced by your refusal to compare yourself to your virgin self while at the same time supporting a lifestyle without premarital sex.)

I've never been in your shoes. I've never denied the benefits I got from game. I never forgot where I came from. I'm not actively gaming now, but I know what debt I owe to my days of chasing poosy. The debt we all owe to it. I won't pretend those things away for the convenience of moral clarity.

You're trying too hard to humble brag about your half a thousand bangs while arguing with me when I'm really trying hard to get you to at least admit that you benefited a tiny bit from premarital sex.

[Jetset]

(05-23-2019 09:28 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

This is all the work of Built to Fade, god damn it people! I told you, I told you!

The following 1 user likes Syberpunk's post:
Built to Fade

[Oak]

When I first discovered RVF I thought it was a very odd place. The same men who wrote about how they 'banged a Russian 7 with weird nipples in the club bathroom, but it was a shame because her friend was actually hotter', could also write profound posts on the ills of modern western society.

I guess it's because RVFers generally must have the independence of thought to reject the blue-pills fed to them on women, and the curiosity and willpower to experiment with the redpill in real life. If this experimental aspect is lost, the forum will attract a different, lesser breed of man and risks becoming purple pilled. It's an essential part of confirming the nasty truths about women and fully digesting the redpill. The conclusion of this experiment for many I think, is that being selected by a woman, whether for casual sex or an LTR, cannot provide any lasting validation. You must look for that elsewhere, whether that be in God's approval, the satisfaction of building a family or something else. But I think this conclusion is much easier to come to through first hand experience with women, especially emancipated western women, i.e. game.

I'm also not sure that the forum has ever really been inherently degenerate or anti-christian. I always took the ethos of the forum to be that an LTR with a sufficiently young, well-behaved girl would be the preference, but that the modern western feminism has made this very difficult, and practically impossible without game. So we accepted notch-hunting as the consolation prize, something feminism has made easier than any other time in history if you learn game and self-improve.

If you get into an LTR/marriage and hit stormy seas, who would you seek advice from? The married man of god with a sub-5 notch count, or the player/former player?

These changes will attract more of the former and fewer of the latter.

[doc holliday]

How about I’d seek advice from neither, Oak. What is some high notch, vagina carouselling player who’s probably scraping the bottom of the barrel going to advise me on marriage? Something he knows absolutely nothing about. I know what that dude would tell a married guy; just go get some strange on the side. Because yeah sure that’s answer to every problem, right?

[Roosh]

By the way some of you are acting, an outsider would think this is forum of emotional women, not men. I understand there are upset feelings at change, but all the dramatics, "sky is falling" hysterics, gnashing of teeth, and outright lies about my beliefs and position is disgraceful. I will accept the blame: I have failed you and your masculinity as a teacher for so many of you to act like this, because you'd think I personally decreed that YOU are not allowed to have casual sex instead of asking that you not share sexual acts on an internet site. If discussing explicit sexual acts with females on a web site is that critical for you, you really need to ask yourself why.

Please spare me any more whining or crying. I'm just trying to do the best I can with the life I have and the situation I have found myself in. If you can't understand my position, and refuse to at least adopt a wait-and-see attitude, then we will never be able to find common ground. The choice is yours.

[Syberpunk]

(05-23-2019 09:33 PM)Oak Wrote:  

When I first discovered RVF I thought it was a very odd place. The same men who wrote about how they 'banged a Russian 7 with weird nipples in the club bathroom, but it was a shame because her friend was actually hotter', could also write profound posts on the ills of modern western society.

I guess it's because RVFers generally must have the independence of thought to reject the blue-pills fed to them on women, and the curiosity and willpower to experiment with the redpill in real life. If this experimental aspect is lost, the forum will attract a different, lesser breed of man and risks becoming purple pilled. It's an essential part of confirming the nasty truths about women and fully digesting the redpill. The conclusion of this experiment for many I think, is that being selected by a woman, whether for casual sex or an LTR, cannot provide any lasting validation. You must look for that elsewhere, whether that be in God's approval, the satisfaction of building a family or something else. But I think this conclusion is much easier to come to through first hand experience with women, especially emancipated western women, i.e. game.

I'm also not sure that the forum has ever really been inherently degenerate or anti-christian. I always took the ethos of the forum to be that an LTR with a sufficiently young, well-behaved girl would be the preference, but that the modern western feminism has made this very difficult, and practically impossible without game. So we accepted notch-hunting as the consolation prize, something feminism has made easier than any other time in history if you learn game and self-improve.

If you get into an LTR/marriage and hit stormy seas, who would you seek advice from? The married man of god with a sub-5 notch count, or the player/former player?

These changes will attract more of the former and fewer of the latter.

The first paragraph is the best thing about the forum, it was like the joys of life but sweetened with dash of hard usual hilarious pragmatism so you stayed grounded and practical.

Pragmatic and eclectic were the two words I associated with this forum, I've seen post here daily that are far more profound dropped in threads with unassuming "degenerate" thread titles, than most youtube heads like Molyenux and Peterson and served with far less word salad.

Where else could you, for example, find someone like Rigsby and in that style? When you start reading you don't where its going to go! And that's true of a lot of the forum.

[NY Digital]

By common ground are you saying we could find a halfway between your declaration and the current state of the forum?

You don't want lewd threads I get it. Banging girls that are in relationships, bdsm, nsfw threads, etc.

But men should still have a place to discuss how to approach, excite, and seduce women.

Whether it leads to LTR or not.

[Tex]

(05-23-2019 09:45 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

If discussing explicit sexual acts with females on a web site is that critical for you, you really need to ask yourself why.

Because we are all each other's friends.

It's fun to have guy talk in the one place where we can.

The change is good for the soul, it eases anxiety about our accountability to God and it's what you need to do. I'm down to wait and see.

[Roosh]

On a lighter note, this thread has made the news:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/Barack-Oba...-found-god

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/r...ening.html

[Tex]

Quote:

His Twitter feed still contains plenty of alt-right figures, transphobia, criticisms of female sexuality, and an endorsement of abortion bans.

Everything is still okay

[BortimusPrime]

Roosh, the reason people are displeased with these new rules is not out of some feminine hysteria that they can't post titty pictures, it's because this is imposing a belief system that's niche even within the alt-right. Handing down a ban on potty mouth and premarital coitus discussion by dictat rather than simply influencing people through debate or by good example.

[CleanSlate]

If we're going to shift our discussion of women and sex to within the framework of marriage, we also have to consider the people closest to us in our personal lives - wives, kids, etc. What assurances, if any, do we have that this forum is more secure than it was a few years ago, so we can feel free to post our relationship experiences without the fear of getting doxxed (assuming we aren't dumb enough to post too much information that can be traced back to us)? A married guy with kids has way more to lose by getting doxxed than a single guy would.

[Thersites]

Well there goes my chance of boost any notch. Just joking.

While I am conflicted by your decision, I will support you in choice and endeavors. This is not surprising to me you chosen this path. Game is using tool for man to have, but its dangerous one to have. All those notchs that men have, does a number on the their souls and ability to bond with women. When Styles wrote THE GAME many moons ago, the lesson i got was not the pick up techniques, but the warning that Game will be crutch to a man's problems. As today, many older players will talk about 'Inner Game' first before parting practical advice. In GAME, the point is not having a notch count but experience in understanding girls. It be interesting to see the next step from you. There is one concern I must bring up.

(05-23-2019 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I know that I may lose some of you because of these rules, but I can no longer help men lead a life of sin, because doing so is weighing on my conscious.

To be honest, your path of sin will lead to men into path of salvation. Men will look at you books, the archives of old threads, and current threads to ask why did you make the change into the man that you are. The Game can be dangerous tool, but wise mentor prevent young man from being burn by it and make a better world compare to the mess we currently live in.

I will end with a line from Man of La Mancha as Padre said: "May not the cure be worse than the disease?"

[Nonpareil]

Eh, not like we couldn't have seen this coming.

When I was younger I was crushing puss pretty steady for well over a decade and with well over 100 notches.

But when I look back what did I see?

The girls I didn't fuck.

And while yeah a tinge of regret and 'man, I should have done this!' sets in, it quickly abates, replaced by one simple realization:

'Nice as it would have been to fuck that girl, would I be any happier today if I had have fucked her? Would my life be any better if I had fucked her? How?

Memories that will stay with me forever, some honest but devastating truths about women, a few STDs and...feeling so tired.

I'm a few years younger than Roosh (I think), notching is cool and fun and frankly expected when you're in your twenties, but once you pass 30, you should be shooting for a higher purpose.

Nobody is denying the importance of game here, but it's based on the constitution of each man - there is a place for each of us, based on our look, location, lifestyle and attitude where - barring something world-changing (like suppose a lottery win or a sudden injection of massive fame), your game will reach its maximum level.

At this point in my life I'd rather concern myself more with stacking money, preparing for the future, meeting and sharing ideas with men of like mind and trying to live the best life possible, than having the best DHVs and the most innovative negs.

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Maybe because I've been here longer than most - my ten year button is coming up in August - and have seen this place shift from a pure game forum to a more lifestyle oriented think tank (and make no mistake - if it could be monetized, the info that's been shared on here would be worth millions), and this place rarely, if ever steering me wrong, is why I anticipate and approve this move...

That, and seeing the increased hostility out there also means that all it would take is one of us to get doxxed and the entire operation gets shut down.

[Bogart]

Roosh you realise this is self defeating.

I’m one of the young men you want to guide to religion. Reading older posters perspectives having burned out or seen the consequences was good for thought about how I might want to live my life with more moderation and integrity.

I really believed you were a good example of that until today.

This is insane - you’ve gone from a reasonable counter cultural voice with a powerful message about the insanity of modern culture to some far off warped extreme reactionary zealot.

The man you were and the things you built helped me be a better, braver and more complete person ready to pursue my own mission and explore the world on my own terms.

You gave me freedom by showing me that I had choice and options beyond what others did.

What you’re doing now isn’t about respecting forum members choice and integrity nor their value as individuals.

I’ll always respect you for what you’ve done and given to so many of us; but this is too far.

I’m really shaken that you’ve gone off the edge like this - I can’t imagine the best parts of who you used to be liking what you think are the best parts of you now.

[Bushido]

This forum has gone in a very different direction over the last few years. Things change. People change too. I suspect this is no longer the place for me to post, but I'm very happy to have made some good friends through this forum. I wish you the best of luck Roosh.

[gengatroid]

I think we should all just accept that this forum is no longer a den of premarital sex talk and cussin and is instead evolving into a friendly minecraft forum where we can talk about the silly songs roosh makes about minecraft. I for one am completely satisfied with these changes. Ive been with over 9000 women and it just doesnt do it for me anymore like a nice silly song about my favorite game does.

[Glaucon]

This is not the death of the old but the start of a new. This is an opportunity for someone else who is interested ,to open a new forum where casual sex discussion can go.

Those who remain here will build something new as well.

[Roosh]

(05-23-2019 09:17 PM)Caduceus Wrote:  

I think many of us here are very curious to read the full write-up of your [mushroom] experience.
Will you share this with us soon ?

I'm working on it. It's going to be about 8,000 words long, and that will take time to edit. I will talk about the experience on my tour.

[Tex]

(05-23-2019 10:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm working on it. It's going to be about 8,000 words long, and that will take time to edit. I will talk about the experience on my tour.

Would you ever do the experience again now that your core beliefs have changed

[Repo]

The most important question is how will forum titles reflect this change? "True player" won't vibe anymore.. .