[asianirish1]

(05-23-2019 10:51 PM)eskimobobseal Wrote:  

This is a fantastic move. As a Bible believing Christian, I’ve always hoped this place would evolve into a place that perpetuated traditional marriage and the nuclear family more than casual hook ups and rampant fornication.

Thank you for taking a stand. Don’t let the naysayers get to you, this is the right move and I thank God for it.

Roosh doesn't believe in the bible, It reinforces his obsession with fornication even further through the abomination of homosexual activity and gives him another reason to make fun of Jews.

[Nascimento]

After finishing the writing of this post, I'd like to add at the beginning that while I'm fine with the change from now onwards, I hope that the core of the forum's archives is maintained. The transformation of this forum should enable others to transform as well – just as the past has been a foundation in some ways for Roosh, it could be for many others, just on a different timeline. Let's focus on the way forward, while being mindful of the past, because there are many lessons we can extract from it.
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Seems like the ones most disappointed are those who haven't undergone a life transformation at all. As someone on the forum for many years, my life, mindset, and trajectory have changed. All I cared about in the beginning was approaching girls and tallying some experience. Now I'm interested in maintaining my relationship because I'm in one, and if I wasn't, screening options for one. And that's just one component of my life. I don't think I'm disappointed like many others because I haven't attached the game element of the forum so much to my life. At least not anymore.

I feel fortunate to have learned early on that hook ups don't ultimately do anything for you besides brush your ego. Yes, you can argue that you do need experience with women to be able to handle a relationship properly with one, and I agree. But it doesn't take years of Tinder or approaches or lays to get that. You really only need to have been burned once (regardless of degree) so you're no longer naive, and have some positive experiences with women loving you. Once you have that you're able to manage a relationship – all the other things that are important like frame, keeping your value high, being able to walk away if needed... You can work on that simultaneously.

Again, hook ups are meaningless. The afterglow of doing it a few times is great, but is later on reduced to minutes afterwards or even regret immediately.

While relationships are not a perfect rosy thing, at least there's no bitterness to it if you have a good girlfriend.

I get it. Some guys need more time to arrive at this conclusion. There's nothing stopping you from going out there and finding girls that are more or less in the same stage of life as you are. But even those girls that may be willing to put it out easy, many of them have a plan, and if they're hooking up with you there's at least a good chance she sees you as a potential for something serious (drunk hook ups excluded). That on its own obviously doesn't make them suitable for anything long term, you obviously have to screen, but just saying that even these girls can have a plan. So it's something to have in mind if you're out there endlessly.

Ultimately sex drive winds down, along with vitality. Don't wait until you're 45 until you decide that finally you're sick of the hook ups and would like a girlfriend.

Better to realize much earlier that this period of hook ups has an end.

The forum having a change of philosophy, in my opinion isn't a tragedy at all. Perhaps you need to go find your own way. Take a break. There's much more to life than an internet forum, even if this one isn't like the rest and has been a special place for many years.

If you're upset about the change, you may be surprised one day to find yourself with a girl you actually care about. You're in a good relationship. The forum may be a place you return to then, and wouldn't you be glad for this change then?

Having said all of that, it's still a major change that I do have some mixed feelings about. But with those, I prefer to wait and out and see, no need to come to conclusions. I do hope that the core of what has sustained the forum isn't deleted. I'd rather there just be a change in direction from now on.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-24-2019 12:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

It's kind of rich to see some of you older, already settled down guys cheering this on. You already had your pussy carousel phase, and now that your lifestyle is actually somewhat in tune with your religious dogma - you're mandating the young guys who haven't had much experience yet skip that whole phase.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

It was similar hypocrisies which made me abandon the faith. I don't regret my decision.

TLDR; Unless you married your highschool sweetheart with your virginity still intact, shut the fuck up. You didn't walk the talk. You're living it now because your age (and probably low-T) has made the player lifestyle undesirable for you now. There was no sacrifice made or discipline involved. You're a last minute monk. If there is a God that holds these (impossible) standards for mankind, he isn't fooled.

Between what Roosh has been through from both the media and various governments over the last few years, and reading this thread today, I wouldn't blame him for deleting everything and wiping his hands of all of you. He doesn't 'owe' you anything, and, as you're proving, your love is entirely-conditional: he has to conform to your expectations or you'll throw a tantrum and reveal your ugly face of entitlement to him. It's really no different to the Leftists whining over the ending of their stupid dragon show not conforming to their personal headcanon.

Incidentally, this is why Abba is guiding Roosh through the Purgative Way and forcing his hand to make these kind of hard decisions. All these old attachments need to be stripped away, often brutally, particularly when it comes to reducing the cognitive dissonance gap between one claiming to love God versus one's actual displayed behaviour: for in that gap lies the dead-eyed madness of the Leftists, or the screaming hyper-judgmental hypocrisy of the Christian Zionists. It usually plays out by learning to choose what is uncomfortable, difficult but True (usually sensed by Infused Reason) over the comfortable lie of easy pleasure that most people numb themselves with.

This stripping away is how The Father encourages you love Him as He deserves to be loved, and not purely for His positive gifts. As such, Roosh can't lose your loyalty, for he never had it to begin with, but by bearing that loss with a continued commitment to faith, he will be rewarded with deeper Knowledge of the Father.

If you think what you can offer can possibly compete with that, then, well... keep on pushing it.

----

Roosh, trust in Him and keep going. If you're loyal to Him, you'll be eventually-rewarded with the inability to pray or meditate, which will initially seem like you've been abandoned by him, but you're being called forward into the Prayer of Simplicity. When that happens, but not before it happens, read this book. The way forward has been mapped out by hundreds of years of Contemplative Saints and Religious, but Abba has to lead you into it. It's a fantastic work, because it points out how to tell genuine mystical experience from illusion. If he leads you from there into Supernatural Prayer - which is what your experience with the mushrooms touches on but is entirely-possible to reach without chemical enhancement - it's the work you'll need to understand what is happening.

The Graces of Interior Prayer

That's a PDF of the third edition, whereas I have a hardcover of the 2nd Edition from 1912, but it seems much the same.

Incidentally, the books I mentioned in the Orthodox Thread were exactly the right books to put me at ease when I could no longer pray, and somehow I was guided to them by instinct (in early January) before I knew exactly why I would need them, (towards the end of February).

Trust and let Him work.

[N°6]

It’s like a lot of us are going through our Johnny Cash stage.

[Trumpian]

(05-24-2019 01:27 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 12:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

It's kind of rich to see some of you older, already settled down guys cheering this on. You already had your pussy carousel phase, and now that your lifestyle is actually somewhat in tune with your religious dogma - you're mandating the young guys who haven't had much experience yet skip that whole phase.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

It was similar hypocrisies which made me abandon the faith. I don't regret my decision.

TLDR; Unless you married your highschool sweetheart with your virginity still intact, shut the fuck up. You didn't walk the talk. You're living it now because your age (and probably low-T) has made the player lifestyle undesirable for you now. There was no sacrifice made or discipline involved. You're a last minute monk. If there is a God that holds these (impossible) standards for mankind, he isn't fooled.

Between what Roosh has been through from both the media and various governments over the last few years, and reading this thread today, I wouldn't blame him for deleting everything and wiping his hands of all of you. He doesn't 'owe' you anything, and, as you're proving, your love is entirely-conditional: he has to conform to your expectations or you'll throw a tantrum and reveal your ugly face of entitlement to him.

My post wasn't directed at roosh. This is his private domain, and he's free to go whatever direction he wants with it.

I was speaking to the likes of you who just a couple years ago was putting out good threads like this one where you bemoaned the sexual repression and censorship taking place in Australia (albeit from the left).

thread-50531.html

Now, you've become their ally on the Right.

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Incidentally, this is why Abba is guiding Roosh through the Purgative Way and forcing his hand to make these kind of hard decisions.

[The Grey]

Good luck on your journey Roosh. Change is painful and to evolve we need to cut off what holds us back from time to time. Thanks for all the wisdom (so far).

For all whiners, this is Roosh's house. If he decides to refurbish it, you as a guest can be displeased, but thats it.

[Rorogue]

So now the Persian Chad has gone into retirement, I believe a new dawn is upon us.

Many of you are asking, who will lead red pill men into the poosy paradise?

I present to you, the Indian Chad. Avishek Saha, Aka YogiOabs



Now is the time for an Indian Chad leader.

Jai Hind!

   

[Xenophon]

Roosh, please explain to us why you recently tweeted that the proprietor of Chateau Heartiste should contact you. Were you not offering him help to restart his blog? Was his blog not about all the things you just banned in this thread? You have the right to do whatever you see fit with this forum but where is the consistency?

[Uzisuicide]

This forum has grown way beyond 'game'. I remember when the admin of this site issued me a warning for sticking up for Roosh when I expressed my opinion that he should get his name off of this site. Welcome to 40 Roosh.

Somewhere along the line, men who experience real personal growth and enlightenment move beyond the silliness of 'bang' into responsibility and a desire to defend and take care of others. God, family, country is how we survive. It's worth it. I'm not going anywhere.

[TooFineAPoint]

(05-24-2019 01:57 AM)Xenophon Wrote:  

Roosh, please explain to us why you recently tweeted that the proprietor of Chateau Heartiste should contact you. Were you not offering him help to restart his blog? Was his blog not about all the things you just banned in this thread? You have the right to do whatever you see fit with this forum but where is the consistency?

If you have your grandparents over for dinner, you can have a lot of robust and philosophical conversation with them, without going into graphic detail about the slut you anal raw-dogged last night...

...while still having a copy of the Kama Sutra in your library.

You dig?

Respectful moderation when conversing does not equal censorship or hypocrisy.

[RWIsrael]

The globohomo may have hated and banned Roosh for his supposed misogyny and player lifestyle, but If the forum goes right wing AND religious Christian, it's definitely going on a Fed watchlist.

I respect Roosh's decision and new direction in life, he is more than just a player or author or creator of a forum we like, he is human with his own life to live and is doing what's best for him at this stage.

[Sooth]

To the people saying RVF is dead.

This is the beginning.

[Donfitz007]

I agree wit some of the above. Before I go on about this however, THIS IS ROOSH's Site so he can do whatever he wants. With that said

As much as I love roosh, this is the male equivalent of a woman riding the cock carousel and then turning into a nun. censoring everything because she feels her new outlook is the best. Many Men have to go through a journey before they can see that and with you doing this many men will skip that part of the journey.

I support YOUR journey but I feel this will hurt more men than make. Young men simply want to learn how to be players and those skills make it easier for them to become good husbands afterwards.

[Sam2]

It's sad to see yet an another place where guys have been allowed to discuss these things go.

I hope Roosh does not delete any old threads or blog posts because of this. Just archive them. There is historical value to them also.

[atlant]

(05-24-2019 12:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

It's kind of rich to see some of you older, already settled down guys cheering this on. You already had your pussy carousel phase, and now that your lifestyle is actually somewhat in tune with your religious dogma - you're mandating the young guys who haven't had much experience yet skip that whole phase.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

It was similar hypocrisies which made me abandon the faith. I don't regret my decision.

TLDR; Unless you married your highschool sweetheart with your virginity still intact, shut the fuck up. You didn't walk the talk. You're living it now because your age (and probably low-T) has made the player lifestyle undesirable for you now. There was no sacrifice made or discipline involved. You're a last minute monk. If there is a God that holds these (impossible) standards for mankind, he isn't fooled.

100% truth.

10 years ago, Roosh was a true trailblazer who was able to unite men in a one-of-a-kind community and undoubtedly improved hundreds if not thousands of lives.

But in the past five years he acted more as a caretaker of a forum that had long taken on its own momentum while he focused on political and philosophical questions. The forum gained its value through countless other contributors and posters - without them RVF would have been nothing. Without them, Roosh would have been nothing. They raised his sites' profiles, gave him traffic, bought his books and ultimately, put food on Roosh's table, enabling him to do what he did best. And it's those men that he is now turning his back on. Which is he is free to do, but so are people to criticize it.

I hold no ill will towards Roosh, but I do towards the bootlickers who now come crawling out of the woodwork celebrating and lambasting all those who invested years into the community and mourn its impending loss. These zealots now claim that they always knew better anyways, and that Roosh's decision is not to questioned, while they lean back in their comfortable married and/or uber-religious middle-age lifestyle with no horse in the race. Such display of hypocrisy is usually only seen on the Left and says a lot about the true moral character of many of the forum's supposed high-rep figureheads.

"Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." (Luke 6:26)

[Dantes]

This is not a surprise if you have been reading the Forum for awhile. The Forum changed significantly with Trump’s run for the presidency. The opposition you see to the new direction of the forum is a nostalgia for something that hasn’t really existed for a few years.

I disagree that the Forum promoted a degenerate lifestyle in its heyday. If anything, senior members kept posters in check when they went too far. Moderation in the pursuit of women was advised. Guys were advised against porn, prostitution, endless Tinder swiping and for excessive approaching of women.

Building a strong, masculine lifestyle and becoming a man that provides value to women and other men was the most important take away I received here. It is a shame to see this conflated. The most important message here was self improvement, not a meaningless life.

I can’t believe how some of you are minimizing the value of learning to seduce women and the drastic life changing effect it’s had on your confidence, social competence and masculine strength. Some of you, I have personally witnessed your evolution from an ineffectual, scared man to one of confidence, with swagger who were able to pass on their knowledge to the next generation. The process of becoming more successful with women has so many benefits beyond the physical act of sex. At its height this Forum was about the return to
Masculine principles, self-improvement and building a community. Seeing it for just building notches is not what many of you who I know, got out of the experience.

Now that you have all moved on to a more meaningful life, you have forgotten the process and experiences that contributed to you arrival.

[Pytonga]

SO from now on instead of banging I am going to make love to my future wife's.

all hail jesus

[Captainstabbin]

Jack Dorsey bans conservative speech, Amazon bans Bang, RVF bans game. The only difference is scale.

Goofing around and talking, often crudely, about women got me through some horrible times this past year with my mom's illness and death. It meant something to have a place where I could frankly discuss things that cause my real-life friends to freak out. There's a kid at my gym who ratted me out for saying how much I wanted to *be in a platonic relationship which is leading to marriage with* the front desk girl. This was the place where that nonsense wouldn't happen.

But I still tweet, I still buy from Amazon, I guess I'll still post here - this one makes be sad.

[Xenophon]

(05-24-2019 02:45 AM)atlant Wrote:  

(05-24-2019 12:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

It's kind of rich to see some of you older, already settled down guys cheering this on. You already had your pussy carousel phase, and now that your lifestyle is actually somewhat in tune with your religious dogma - you're mandating the young guys who haven't had much experience yet skip that whole phase.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

It was similar hypocrisies which made me abandon the faith. I don't regret my decision.

TLDR; Unless you married your highschool sweetheart with your virginity still intact, shut the fuck up. You didn't walk the talk. You're living it now because your age (and probably low-T) has made the player lifestyle undesirable for you now. There was no sacrifice made or discipline involved. You're a last minute monk. If there is a God that holds these (impossible) standards for mankind, he isn't fooled.

100% truth.

10 years ago, Roosh was a true trailblazer who was able to unite men in a one-of-a-kind community and undoubtedly improved hundreds if not thousands of lives.

But in the past five years he acted more as a caretaker of a forum that had long taken on its own momentum while he focused on political and philosophical questions. The forum gained its value through countless other contributors and posters - without them RVF would have been nothing. Without them, Roosh would have been nothing. They raised his sites' profiles, gave him traffic, bought his books and ultimately, put food on Roosh's table, enabling him to do what he did best. And it's those men that he is now turning his back on. Which is he is free to do, but so are people to criticize it.

I hold no ill will towards Roosh, but I do towards the bootlickers who now come crawling out of the woodwork celebrating and lambasting all those who invested years into the community and mourn its impending loss. These zealots now claim that they always knew better anyways, and that Roosh's decision is not to questioned, while they lean back in their comfortable married and/or uber-religious middle-age lifestyle with no horse in the race. Such display of hypocrisy is usually only seen on the Left and says a lot about the true moral character of many of the forum's supposed high-rep figureheads.

"Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." (Luke 6:26)

You make a great point about rep meaning exactly nothing about the person behind the keyboard. Matt Forney had a great podcast a few days ago about a highly reped RVF who is very much promoting the religion train. He even showed up on this thread after a month off to cheer Roosh on. Behind the scenes he was trying to get Chris Bechtlof SWAT teamed. He also planned to contact his pastor to have him kicked out of church for criticizing another high-repped RVFer.

We need God in our lives but if you think you aren't dealing with snakes when it comes to salvation, I've got a bridge in Arizona to sell you.

[Jungle]

Interesting development...

Perhaps some of the trusted RVF veterans can start an offshoot forum... perhaps call it something like newrvforum.com or redpillforum.com for example, and boom - problem solved.

Roosh can keep his original rooshvforum.network virtuous and god pilled for those who want such discussion... and allow the uncensored discussion to happen on the new forum.

Different strokes for different folks.

We should just chill out a little bit... There's no need for the brotherhood to be divisive and squabbling. We can brainstorm, evolve, change. C'est la vie.

[UnW]

Old Roosh: Amazon took down my books and censored my writings!
New Roosh: Maybe the Amazon book burning earlier on were a sign from god that writing about casual sex is a path to destruction!

Roosh is now free to frame that act of censorship in a manner that fits this new direction the forum is going. I can understand both sides of it.

I can understand how he's changed, but maybe it would be better he stepped away from the forum and passed it on to others since it seems like a lot of this forum who were in it for the intel will form a faction elsewhere.

[matt1996]

(05-24-2019 12:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

It's kind of rich to see some of you older, already settled down guys cheering this on. You already had your pussy carousel phase, and now that your lifestyle is actually somewhat in tune with your religious dogma - you're mandating the young guys who haven't had much experience yet skip that whole phase.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

It was similar hypocrisies which made me abandon the faith. I don't regret my decision.

TLDR; Unless you married your highschool sweetheart with your virginity still intact, shut the fuck up. You didn't walk the talk. You're living it now because your age (and probably low-T) has made the player lifestyle undesirable for you now. There was no sacrifice made or discipline involved. You're a last minute monk. If there is a God that holds these (impossible) standards for mankind, he isn't fooled.

[Tex]

delete

[Trumpian]

(05-24-2019 02:52 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

This is not a surprise if you have been reading the Forum for awhile. The Forum changed significantly with Trump’s run for the presidency. The opposition you see to the new direction of the forum is a nostalgia for something that hasn’t really existed for a few years.

I disagree that the Forum promoted a degenerate lifestyle in its heyday. If anything, senior members kept posters in check when they went too far. Moderation in the pursuit of women was advised. Guys were advised against porn, prostitution, endless Tinder swiping and for excessive approaching of women.

Building a strong, masculine lifestyle and becoming a man that provides value to women and other men was the most important take away I received here. It is a shame to see this conflated. The most important message here was self improvement, not a meaningless life.

I can’t believe how some of you are minimizing the value of learning to seduce women and the drastic life changing effect it’s had on your confidence, social competence and masculine strength. Some of you, I have personally witnessed your evolution from an ineffectual, scared man to one of confidence, with swagger who were able to pass on their knowledge to the next generation. The process of becoming more successful with women has so many benefits beyond the physical act of sex. At its height this Forum was about the return to
Masculine principles, self-improvement and building a community. Seeing it for just building notches is not what many of you who I know, got out of the experience.

Now that you have all moved on to a more meaningful life, you have forgotten the process and experiences that contributed to you arrival.

The new/alt right though that swept Trump into the presidency though was not a religious crowd. I mean look at trump. Hardly a puritan.

This was a far more recent, and rapid subversion.

It is a bizarro world though seeing a new front on the war on men coming from the right now.

I mean the blue-haired bitches on the left want to ban male lockeroom banter as well. Now they've got allies on the right they can point to and say, "See - even the PUAs and MRAs agree with us now."

What a fucking tragedy.

[Macumazahn]

With such a fundamental change to the forum imminent, is it not an opportune moment to unban Little Dark?