[Alpone]

The future of game is just being a normal, authentic, non-degenerate dude with masculine traits and meeting girls in person. The future is in the normal middle.

If you're in the top 10% of dudes, online will always work. But online is liquidating the lower 90% to invisible status as companies try to create safe spaces for women. In their effort to help match women with only guys the companies think they might like and reduce "creepy" messages, average dudes are shut out. "Female friendly" dating apps mean everything goes to the top 10% of guys.

Likewise, many under-30 dudes are autistic af with fucked up ideas about gender roles, masculinity and even biological realities. The under 30 dudes on the forum are not representative of their age cohort. Most are clueless about the things we talk about and basically act like their girlfriend's girlfriend.

Then there are the PUA loyalists who have perfected "game', know routines, attraction triggers and have this shit down to a science. I think this segment will grow as the middle tier dudes get shut out of online, become desperate and resort to hard, uncalibrated PUA techniques. I think women will increasingly become resistant to textbook PUA techniques that aren't completely congruent with a dude's personality. Much of it is "fake it till you make it" and there are going to be a lot of guys faking it as competition for 7s+ increases.

Also, with instagram almost a requirement for dating, faking it is becoming a monumental task involving hiring photographers, buying bots, etc.

Then there are the dudes with opioid, alcohol, and other weird addictions. This population segment is also rising as guys try to cope with clown world.

After all of this, there's this little exhaust port left in the middle for normal guys who have authentic lives, interests, take care of themselves, aren't too PUAy but also aren't cucked faggots. The opportunities for this kind of guy are enormous *off-line*. I guess guys like this would have been common 30 years ago but rare today.

In a world of freak degenerates, autists, script-reading inauthentic PUAs and twinks, the normal dude can still rule - just not online.

[JoeSomebody]

I will start off by saying I've only did online dating (PlentyofFish) for about 2-3 weeks back in 2011 when I had just turned 25. I met a decent 6-7, 32 year old Mexican-American medical student. We dated briefly and when she moved back to California, I knew I wasn't going to pursue something serious with someone who is 7 years my senior, especially long distance. I never have had Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, Match, etc. It's not congruent with who I am, nor did I want to waste time sitting at my laptop to potentially meet someone who might not even be real or at best, look different than her photos. Online dating is a game that favors the female, EVEN if you fall into the top 10% of men. From what I've read and hear, it's getting worse. And as we know, when women have the upper hand with anything, nothing good comes out of it. Conclusion: Online game/dating websites are a waste of time. Sure you can get a few bangs, maybe a mini-relationship, but it's going to be harder than finding a needle in a haystack.

Social circle game is something I have very mixed feelings on. If you are a townie and never travel much outside of a 10 to 20 miles radius, this may be your best bet/only option. I grew up in this type of environment. I occasionally bump into people once in blue from growing up who in their mid-30s, and they have the same group of friends as when they were 14. Nice? Maybe. In my opinion? SEVERE HANDICAP. To me, it makes you incredibly socially inept and ignorant in a worldly sense once you step OUTSIDE of this environment and your circle. These guys might be able to bang a few cuties in their circle, but even if they are the king of their circle, how much is it really going to help you when it comes to dealing with women OUTSIDE of that circle? Myself, along with other countless RVFers, have been to places and fucked hot local women in some cities and countries that your average person hasn't even heard of. Your average man, good looking or not, is not running around Europe or S. America and picking off local talent. Not happening. Does it make us better than them? Yes it does. Be proud.

Advanced social circle/work circle is something a little different than regular social circle and it can work to your advantage. Advanced social circle for example are friends of your friends or co-workers, cousins of theirs, so forth and so on. These groups can become larger as more people become introduced to each other. If you are cool, you can have someone(s) throw in a good word or two for you to a chick and she might be up for meeting you. This can either be alone or in a bigger group; i.e. going out to eat, a bar, sporting event, etc. Work circle can be very dicey in this day in age and it might be best to not shit where you eat. However, A LOT of co-workers are hooking up in any job. I believe this to be happening primarily due to convenience and level of comfort. I work for a big airline, so there are no shortage of women. I have flown with people who I haven't seen in 5 years. Some people I see more often. My notch count at work is somewhere between 15-20 and although I don't see most of them on a day in day out basis which is nice. If I were to bump into them, most if not all would be an issue. A lot of that is due to me steering clear of most of the crazies and sheer luck. Such is life.

Best type of game for me and others will always be day/night game through cold/warm approaching. Might it have a lower success rate than social circle and work? Perhaps. You'll have more flakes. More women will deem it socially unacceptable to meet a complete stranger, even if she is attracted to you and is as liberal as San Fran. At the end of the day it is a numbers game and sometimes it's being the right guy in the right place at the right time. I just know for me, that it is the BEST feeling. Nothing beats cold approaching a chick(s) at a supermarket, gas station, mall, or tanning alone on the beach. One of my favorite lays happened this way last year. I was in PR and I spotted a raven haired PR girl, slim with a juicy ass in a string bikini. I said to self: "I gotta get that". After 30 minutes of banter and lots of push-pull, i got her into the water. Each passing minute she's warming up to me more and more. Touching turns to groping, kissing ensues, lotion is being applied by one to the other. After 3-4 hours of that, I get her to my hotel room and it's on. At 12pm she was a complete stranger, at 4:30pm, my tongue is buried deep in her ass as she moans in Spanish. Was she hot? Yep. And that was a big factor as to why she was one of my favorite lays. But it was more so the start of the interaction to finish that was such a high for me that no social circle, online, or work game could replace. Guys who get out there and approach, whether they get signs or not, whether it ends up in a lay or rejection, should be proud of themselves. Most men in today's age haven't got the balls or the knowhow. You gotta be in it, to win it. Listen, the market sucks, it's getting harder and harder, the women are usually of low-quality, your ROI is usually low, and most you wouldn't date casually, let alone have them as a gf or god forbid wife and mother of your children. Thing is gents, we all love women. Or shall I say, we love to fuck them and want to keep fucking them. I don't plan on being an incel anytime soon, so I got a long 4 quarter game against a tough opponent. But despite the uphill battle, I got my helmet strapped on and I'm ready to rock and roll.

Long story short: get off the internet and get out there and make it happen.

[Tinder Scientist]

Long story short: You only had 1 experience with online dating 8 years ago.

You don't have to choose between day/night/online game, you can use them all when the situation is right.

With what other type of game can you arrive in a new country and have a girl pick you up at the airport?

This thread is just going to keep going in circles.

[yang2287]

(04-11-2019 09:19 PM)JoeSomebody Wrote:  

Advanced social circle/work circle is something a little different than regular social circle and it can work to your advantage. Advanced social circle for example are friends of your friends or co-workers, cousins of theirs, so forth and so on. These groups can become larger as more people become introduced to each other. If you are cool, you can have someone(s) throw in a good word or two for you to a chick and she might be up for meeting you. This can either be alone or in a bigger group; i.e. going out to eat, a bar, sporting event, etc. Work circle can be very dicey in this day in age and it might be best to not shit where you eat. However, A LOT of co-workers are hooking up in any job. I believe this to be happening primarily due to convenience and level of comfort. I work for a big airline, so there are no shortage of women. I have flown with people who I haven't seen in 5 years. Some people I see more often. My notch count at work is somewhere between 15-20 and although I don't see most of them on a day in day out basis which is nice. If I were to bump into them, most if not all would be an issue. A lot of that is due to me steering clear of most of the crazies and sheer luck. Such is life.

I think this part does not get enough mention on this forum. Banging co-workers. This is a gold mine i would argue. There's a lot of opportunities to be had among female co-workers. Currently i'm banging two girls in my lab and i'm looking to add a third.

I understand this might be really different for everyone depending on your place of work and your position.

But i think one size never fits all. There is a lot of value to be had in the work place. Forget the #metoo bullshit, married ot single colleagues are where an opportunity could exist. I imagine that if you work in a hospital, an airline or an advertising firm, you are potentially sitting in a p***y paradise.

Your workplace could be the new bar, nightclub or tinder. In this day where people are less and less willing to meet in bar night club or Tinder, Workplace is one of the places i can think of where you can still meet women. We all spend A LOT of time at work. I joke with some of my colleagues that i spend more time with them than i do with my parents. And this is true. So this means that you have to choose your work place carefully. God help you if you work in a Saausage fest. My next job must have a good volume of young girls and interns coming through before i even take a look at the contract

Detailed Process:

1) Communication about DTF is done with strong eye-contact (No touching No way ward comments or any comments at all, no declaration of undying love at work)

2) If you establish DTF with eye contact and rapport, get the contact but DO NOT TEXT her at work or during work hours

3) Use text to establish logistics No Dating at a resturant or shit : run ZDB at your place (see here: ZDB)*

Everything should happen outside of work

4) You can get LMR when she is at your place but you can calm the hamster by saying a lot of people date at your office and give some examples (true or false examples it doesn't matter)

5) Your relationship must be kept secret at the office, this is obvious, that means (No or little talking to each other at work, No texting at work, No sharing of the details with other colleagues, No walking around the city holding hands ) usually the girls will be the one who wants it kept secret (If she talks it's her reputation on the line and not yours ) (you want all your relationships at work secret so you can run multiple girls simultaneously)

You have no idea at how good girls are at keeping secrets. Sometimes am in a meeting with two girls in my harem and i can't believe how they hide this from each other. :/ :/

6) Texting must be kept minimal, only for setting up dates to meet up and bang

7) Lunch time is a good meet up time for cheating wives who are at work (Eat take away and bang for lunch and get back to work quickly)

8) Avoid to be same place with the girls you are banging as much as possible e.g. group lunch or situations where everyone is gossiping about everyone

8) Again leave No evidence No photos, No lewd texts No dick pics, No kiss and tell Use text for logistics!!! If there is no evidence, there is no #metoo

9) Girls wanna know you can keep their secret, don't be the loud boisterous idiot who is talking all about everyone at lunch and who is giving out all the information, be the calm stoic guy who looks into her eyes, smiles bites the lip and gets her wet. You must be the guy who keeps the secret or it's not happening

10) The usual seduction rules apply, dress everyday like it's your wedding day, be well groomed etc etc


I could give more pointers, but i will need specific questions

[questor70]

(04-12-2019 01:56 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

I think this part does not get enough mention on this forum.

It doesn't get mentioned for a reason.

(04-12-2019 01:56 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

Forget the #metoo bullshit

You are taking a greater risk than you realize. You've just been lucky but that luck could run out at any moment.

[Conquistador]

Best job to have access to hot/young women is restaurant server. That movie waiting shows that shit in action. Everybody openly hooks up with each other. None of that PC bullshit like in the corporate world.

This is perfect for someone who is already financially set up/location independent. Just work a few shifts a week. Since that job is so high turnover, you always have a revolving door of young women every few weeks/months.

Edit: Another good job that's easy to get into and gives access to women is substitute teaching or educational assistant. Again these jobs are for guys that are set financially, and don't need the money/could afford to "waste" time. These are not as dangerous as corporate jobs regarding sexual harassment and such, but also not as relaxed as restaurant server jobs.

[JoeSomebody]

@ Tinder scientist

You make a valid point in that you can use all types of game from when the situation is right. I never argued that.

My point was more so that the odds are so stacked against you online (even the 6 ft+ Chad's) that even though it might be convenient, it largely is a losing battle and I would argue that it breeds a lot of complacency. Why approach IRL if you can get online and have a pop?

The topic of this thread is that men outnumber women online 9 to 1. Think about that. In a way you are standing in a line-up with 9 other men, and one girl, who is more than likely not even hitting a 7, is deeming if you and 8 others are "good enough". You can be the best of the 9 by a country mile, it still is an incredible imbalance. The dynamic that it creates alone is a joke. 9 to 1 is just the number of users. When you talk about an average 5/10 girl in terms of messages received daily, they could easily be triple digits just based on the ratio of men to women alone. And that's for a female 5! Forget 7+. I don't know what it's like in other countries, I've never used it. But here from my small sample and from what I've heard and read, it's pretty miserable.

[Design Engineer]

What is causing such an extreme skew in the sexual marketplace? I get that women having lower sex drives than men plays a big factor. Perhaps an even better question is what can we really do about it? Technically there are slightly more women than men in most countries.

You can change your environment and go to places with more favorable demographics or places where you are a point(s) higher, buts thats not solving the root problem.

[Design Engineer]

(04-12-2019 11:21 AM)Conquistador Wrote:  

Best job to have access to hot/young women is restaurant server. That movie waiting shows that shit in action. Everybody openly hooks up with each other. None of that PC bullshit like in the corporate world.

This is perfect for someone who is already financially set up/location independent. Just work a few shifts a week. Since that job is so high turnover, you always have a revolving door of young women every few weeks/months.

Edit: Another good job that's easy to get into and gives access to women is substitute teaching or educational assistant. Again these jobs are for guys that are set financially, and don't need the money/could afford to "waste" time. These are not as dangerous as corporate jobs regarding sexual harassment and such, but also not as relaxed as restaurant server jobs.

Getting a job as a restaurant server is just lowering a man's status and his income. Most young professional guys would never consider doing that or even have the time for that.

However, not saying you're wrong about the 'access' to young women in restaurants. My cousin works at a restaurant and can confirm there is a lot of screwing around that goes on, but its mostly low life and low status people, sure there will be a cute girl now and then, but still low status people.

[Borges]

If you're going to get a job at a restaurant just to have access to women, it's better to learn to bartend. Bartenders in night clubs are always very popular.

[RougeNoir]

Online dating is a sausagefest.

Bars are a sausagefest.

Clubs are a sausagefest.

But most importantly, RVF is a sausagefest.

[Design Engineer]

(04-12-2019 01:56 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 09:19 PM)JoeSomebody Wrote:  

Advanced social circle/work circle is something a little different than regular social circle and it can work to your advantage. Advanced social circle for example are friends of your friends or co-workers, cousins of theirs, so forth and so on. These groups can become larger as more people become introduced to each other. If you are cool, you can have someone(s) throw in a good word or two for you to a chick and she might be up for meeting you. This can either be alone or in a bigger group; i.e. going out to eat, a bar, sporting event, etc. Work circle can be very dicey in this day in age and it might be best to not shit where you eat. However, A LOT of co-workers are hooking up in any job. I believe this to be happening primarily due to convenience and level of comfort. I work for a big airline, so there are no shortage of women. I have flown with people who I haven't seen in 5 years. Some people I see more often. My notch count at work is somewhere between 15-20 and although I don't see most of them on a day in day out basis which is nice. If I were to bump into them, most if not all would be an issue. A lot of that is due to me steering clear of most of the crazies and sheer luck. Such is life.

I think this part does not get enough mention on this forum. Banging co-workers. This is a gold mine i would argue. There's a lot of opportunities to be had among female co-workers. Currently i'm banging two girls in my lab and i'm looking to add a third.

I understand this might be really different for everyone depending on your place of work and your position.

But i think one size never fits all. There is a lot of value to be had in the work place. Forget the #metoo bullshit, married ot single colleagues are where an opportunity could exist. I imagine that if you work in a hospital, an airline or an advertising firm, you are potentially sitting in a p***y paradise.

Your workplace could be the new bar, nightclub or tinder. In this day where people are less and less willing to meet in bar night club or Tinder, Workplace is one of the places i can think of where you can still meet women. We all spend A LOT of time at work. I joke with some of my colleagues that i spend more time with them than i do with my parents. And this is true. So this means that you have to choose your work place carefully. God help you if you work in a Saausage fest. My next job must have a good volume of young girls and interns coming through before i even take a look at the contract

Detailed Process:

1) Communication about DTF is done with strong eye-contact (No touching No way ward comments or any comments at all, no declaration of undying love at work)

2) If you establish DTF with eye contact and rapport, get the contact but DO NOT TEXT her at work or during work hours

3) Use text to establish logistics No Dating at a resturant or shit : run ZDB at your place (see here: ZDB)*

Everything should happen outside of work

4) You can get LMR when she is at your place but you can calm the hamster by saying a lot of people date at your office and give some examples (true or false examples it doesn't matter)

5) Your relationship must be kept secret at the office, this is obvious, that means (No or little talking to each other at work, No texting at work, No sharing of the details with other colleagues, No walking around the city holding hands ) usually the girls will be the one who wants it kept secret (If she talks it's her reputation on the line and not yours ) (you want all your relationships at work secret so you can run multiple girls simultaneously)

You have no idea at how good girls are at keeping secrets. Sometimes am in a meeting with two girls in my harem and i can't believe how they hide this from each other. :/ :/

6) Texting must be kept minimal, only for setting up dates to meet up and bang

7) Lunch time is a good meet up time for cheating wives who are at work (Eat take away and bang for lunch and get back to work quickly)

8) Avoid to be same place with the girls you are banging as much as possible e.g. group lunch or situations where everyone is gossiping about everyone

8) Again leave No evidence No photos, No lewd texts No dick pics, No kiss and tell Use text for logistics!!! If there is no evidence, there is no #metoo

9) Girls wanna know you can keep their secret, don't be the loud boisterous idiot who is talking all about everyone at lunch and who is giving out all the information, be the calm stoic guy who looks into her eyes, smiles bites the lip and gets her wet. You must be the guy who keeps the secret or it's not happening

10) The usual seduction rules apply, dress everyday like it's your wedding day, be well groomed etc etc


I could give more pointers, but i will need specific questions

Do you think this stuff is prevalent or even safe to try for a guy working in the finance industry? Think large corporate finance.

There is a cute girl on my team I'd like to engage, have had lunch with her a couple times we are probably close than any other of the team members...

[SW15]

(04-12-2019 01:56 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

I think this part does not get enough mention on this forum. Banging co-workers. This is a gold mine i would argue. There's a lot of opportunities to be had among female co-workers. Currently i'm banging two girls in my lab and i'm looking to add a third.

I understand this might be really different for everyone depending on your place of work and your position.

But i think one size never fits all. There is a lot of value to be had in the work place. Forget the #metoo bullshit, married ot single colleagues are where an opportunity could exist. I imagine that if you work in a hospital, an airline or an advertising firm, you are potentially sitting in a p***y paradise.

I currently work in one of those fields you mentioned. My place of work isn't a pussy paradise. Mostly married woman. The one semi-attractive unmarried woman is a workaholic. When I started there, not wanting to poop where I eat, I tried to explore if that one unmarried female had friends that she could hook me up with. Steered the conversation in that direction. She didn't bite. I don't think she has much of a social life since she works all the time.

A place of employment prior to my current one was majority female and generally toxic. Very few attractive women, though majority female. Mostly fat women and/or married mothers. The single, childless women were loony.

[Tinder Scientist]

With this thread attracting so many losers (someone actually suggested to work a dead end job just to have a chance to bang waitresses) it's no wonder online is hard for some people complaining...

[Ouroboros]

(04-12-2019 01:56 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

I think this part does not get enough mention on this forum. Banging co-workers.

(04-12-2019 09:59 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

It doesn't get mentioned for a reason.

…


You are taking a greater risk than you realize. You've just been lucky but that luck could run out at any moment.

I noticed that yang2287 is in France, maybe things are more relaxed there...?

A lot of concern about the '#MeToo' movement seems to be coming from Anglosphere countries, where we have an odd and very uneasy combination of sexual degeneracy and prudishness/puritanism.

[yankeetravels]

Just wanna comment on the work life stuff. I used to work in a restaurant and can confirm, a lot of people hooked up there. I didn't really partake back then for several reasons in that specific work environment, but I think the restaurant/bar hook up life is a double edge sword. Yes, there are a lot of co-ed opportunities between young people. I know a handful of couples that actually got married meeting in said company.

However, one thing not addressed in this are the cons. There are three big cons I noticed. The first is the obvious pay and unlikely ability to move up in career. Pay is shit and you get treated like a monkey. The second is with hook up culture comes gossip culture. It's a very high school and/or college atmosphere with this attitude among these types of workers working in close quarters. For men of our stature, being around such an immature environment can get to you. I honestly couldn't take it by a year in. Ended up getting pretty anti-social with a lot of my co-workers. Third, it's violating the shit where you eat rule. It's just something I believe in. I need somewhere I can comfortably burn bridges if things go wrong in my dating life. Can't really do that hooking up with girls you work with. Let's not even get into the metoo aspect if you're a manager or boss hooking up with girls or doing anything inside the office.

I'm a lot happier working solo in my current jobs and finding other ways to hook up but I'm also an introvert. Work morale may be worth giving this up for some of you but it may not be the same for other guys.

[DimeBait]

I knew it was a sausage fest, but damn not THAT bad. I do alright online, so I guess I should consider myself lucky but the quality of women overall (I.e., personality traits) on dating apps is not that great.
What excites me the most about the statistics is that the majority, or even a significant portion, of women are NOT using dating Apps!
It actually restores my faith in women and let’s me know the cross-section of women I’ve come across online are not an accurate representation of how women are. It gives me hope that quality women are still out there. The question is, how do you find them?
Church (if that’s your thing), conferences, active meetup groups, Social gatherings, Hell, support groups if you pick the right one lol.
Friends of friends. (I got set up recently by a friends wife with a very nice gal who wasn’t on dating apps or social media!). Let your friends/family recruit for you. You gotta network for personal gains just as much as professional gains!
Bottom line, GTFO of your house and do shit you like, everything else will flow.

[Disco_Volante]

I'm not sure how to get girls at church when you're over 25 or so. Last time I was at church yes I saw some nice young tail there, but, it's not like you can just go up to them and start gaming lol. Especially when they're with their family. They occasionally have social gatherings but those are once a month at most. There's season events and stuff where you could. It would take a long time to become a known member.


They should seriously do blatant matchmaking services for members. Parents with a daughter 17-24 should feel more comfortable matching her with a church member anyways. I have no problem hitting on girls 10 years younger than me in public or at a club, but going up to a girl with her parents seems fucking weird. But isn't this how old-school jews would do it? It makes sense.

[DimeBait]

The high-rise I live in doubles as a hotel and surrounded by several other hotels. (Close to the airport) I frequently troll the hotel bars looking for lone chicks sitting at the bar having a glass of wine, surfing their phones. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.
For those just looking to smash, I highly recommend it.
I don’t do clubs anymore and this has proved to be a nice alternative for ONS’s.

[Conquistador]

I always have to remind myself that the internet is exclusively middle class. That's the last time I post my proletarian ideas on this forum.

(04-12-2019 06:27 PM)Design Engineer Wrote:  

(04-12-2019 11:21 AM)Conquistador Wrote:  

Best job to have access to hot/young women is restaurant server. That movie waiting shows that shit in action. Everybody openly hooks up with each other. None of that PC bullshit like in the corporate world.

This is perfect for someone who is already financially set up/location independent. Just work a few shifts a week. Since that job is so high turnover, you always have a revolving door of young women every few weeks/months.

Edit: Another good job that's easy to get into and gives access to women is substitute teaching or educational assistant. Again these jobs are for guys that are set financially, and don't need the money/could afford to "waste" time. These are not as dangerous as corporate jobs regarding sexual harassment and such, but also not as relaxed as restaurant server jobs.

Getting a job as a restaurant server is just lowering a man's status

(04-12-2019 06:27 PM)Design Engineer Wrote:  

its mostly low life and low status people, sure there will be a cute girl now and then, but still low status people.

I already specified about doing it as a part time thing if you can afford it, not full time. (gosh some people have reading comprehension issues) And there is more than enough cute girls that came from middles class homes who are simply there to help pay for college. Only about ten to twenty percent at most are the lifers who you call low status.

Regarding the status thing, it seems that not wanting to be around people below you is more important than getting laid. That's why these Chads and Tyrones that always get brought up by incels get laid so much. They don't give a fuck about status, or anything else really.

If you really think like this than you probably think that sluts are low status as well. I could see if you're looking to find someone to marry, then you would engage in this assortative mating process. But also doing to get laid seems really limiting to me. Milfs, cougars, single moms, bpd girls, and every other woman who passes the boner test deserves to get smashed. But if you want to be a young professional who bangs other young professionals then have at it.

(04-12-2019 06:36 PM)Borges Wrote:  

If you're going to get a job at a restaurant just to have access to women, it's better to learn to bartend. Bartenders in night clubs are always very popular.

I knew someone would suggest this. In my experience, and particularly in my location, bars and restaurants are sexist against men when it comes to bar tending, and usually have at least ninety percent females behind the bar. Men are the ones paying 95 percent of the time, even accounting for couples, or single women that go there. It's a smart business decision. Men want to see a woman serve them while they drink, it's common sense really.

Oh, and I forgot a few other places that are target rich environments. Anyone who is familiar with AA, knows that you could be a thirteen stepper. These are guys that attend meetings just to bang chicks.

Volunteering at homeless shelters. The amount of young women that you get there is ridiculous. A lot of them aren't even volunteers, but got speeding tickets or DUIs, and had/chose to do community service.

Taking a class at a community college. In my town it's only about two hundred dollars per semester. About a thousand for a state school. This is only paid twice a year. This is cheap and allows you to have an excuse to access the campus, so that you don't feel like such a creep.

Non trad students are more common nowadays, so it's not a big deal. Hotter girls that go to state schools are out of reach for the most part due to Greek life and all that crap, but there are plenty of cute enough girls that don't subscribe to that lifestyle.

I'm sure I'll get flamed again and called a loser, but just thinking a bit outside the box.

[SW15]

(04-13-2019 01:29 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

I'm not sure how to get girls at church when you're over 25 or so. Last time I was at church yes I saw some nice young tail there, but, it's not like you can just go up to them and start gaming lol. Especially when they're with their family. They occasionally have social gatherings but those are once a month at most. There's season events and stuff where you could. It would take a long time to become a known member.


They should seriously do blatant matchmaking services for members. Parents with a daughter 17-24 should feel more comfortable matching her with a church member anyways. I have no problem hitting on girls 10 years younger than me in public or at a club, but going up to a girl with her parents seems fucking weird. But isn't this how old-school jews would do it? It makes sense.

If you ever go to Catholic mass, you would rarely see single females who are 18-34. At Catholic masses, the congregants are mostly families and the elderly. Occasionally, there is a young couple.

Some Catholic churches have youth groups, and I can't tell if those places are worthwhile for pickup.

I only have my finger slightly on the pulse of what goes in Catholicism because I go to mass about 2-3 times a year when I visit my mom or she visits me.

[Kish]

(04-13-2019 06:48 PM)SW15 Wrote:  

If you ever go to Catholic mass, you would rarely see single females who are 18-34.

Very true. Unless it's near a college campus.

[bantersmyth]

Personally, I treat online dating like passive income. It's pussy I get for just being who I am, I think it would be silly to leave it on the table. I only really get 6s and 7s but they're compliant and easy to manage. I just moved to a new city so it's solo night game and online dating for me right now.