[Tinder Scientist]

(04-06-2019 08:16 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

You have female friends? No true man has female friends, either you want to fuck them by definition due to their attractiveness, or ignore contrari-wise (respecting your male friends' girlfriends or wifes, of course).

"Meanwhile even my female friends in NYC tell me how good Tinder is there."

You let females use your time to let them confess in you about their shenanigans on Tinder? Shame them. All men should shame females for using Tinder. Next time, ask them, looking straight into their eyes, using exactly those words: "Are you socially retarded you need to resort to Tinder?" Some panties will drop, once you put those chicas in check. No true beauty needs Tinder.

You have mental issues.

[ksbms]

"You have mental issues."

Ad hominem. I'm suggesting you offer something more constructive, sir.

[Tinder Scientist]

(04-06-2019 09:00 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

"You have mental issues."

Ad hominem. I'm suggesting you offer something more constructive, sir.

Is it really that hard to grasp that some people can have female friends?
This is an endless topic that I don't want to get into (the whole male-female friendship thing) but do you really not know people who have good friendships with the opposite gender?

And not quite sure what your suggestion of shaming them accomplishes other than some weird Power Play psychology you would use on a woman you are trying to game. If anything it just shows lack of social attunement.

And let's be honest, pretty much any woman on Tinder can punch above her league so your comment about her having to "resort" to it is pretty questionable. If a woman wants no strings attached fun with higher SMV men it makes sense for her to be on Tinder. While some men will not lower their standards there are a LOT of men who will.

[Black Caesar]

ksbms,

Who hurt you?

This whole thread is funny because

1 - Duh it is all dudes
2 - Y'all all still paying for Tinder despite this

[N°6]

How could the researchers determined the sex ratio?

Tinder would surely guard this secret for all its worth.

[ksbms]

"Is it really that hard to grasp that some people can have female friends?"

Very easy. My male gay friends have tonnes of female friends.

[zatara]

Anyone whos never had female friends is either fairly unlucky or has pretty bad mental issues. Anyone who thinks "No true man has female friends" definitely has mental issues.

Are they as reliable as male friends? No. Are they as fun? Usually no. Are they as close? Also usually no. But they can still make very good friends. And often in very different ways to men - they're more emotionally open generally, can offer good fashion advice, give an insight into the female mind, bring their friends to your parties...etc. They provide plenty of value, just in a different way to a male friend.

If someone has managed to go through life with no female friends from where they grew up, from where they went to school, from university, and from any jobs they've had then the problem is them - not all the thousands of women they've met socially in that time. The vast majority of women may be terrible platonically, but theres always going to be a decent minority.

Hell, most people should at the very least have close female friends from within their family. Hows your relationship with your mother ksbms? Any sisters? Female cousins? Are they not your friends?

[Snag87]

I have genuine female friends, but none that I'm sexually attracted to

[yankeetravels]

(04-06-2019 09:32 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Anyone whos never had female friends is either fairly unlucky or has pretty bad mental issues. Anyone who thinks "No true man has female friends" definitely has mental issues.

Are they as reliable as male friends? No. Are they as fun? Usually no. Are they as close? Also usually no. But they can still make very good friends. And often in very different ways to men - they're more emotionally open generally, can offer good fashion advice, give an insight into the female mind, bring their friends to your parties...etc. They provide plenty of value, just in a different way to a male friend.

If someone has managed to go through life with no female friends from where they grew up, from where they went to school, from university, and from any jobs they've had then the problem is them - not all the thousands of women they've met socially in that time. The vast majority of women may be terrible platonically, but theres always going to be a decent minority.

Hell, most people should at the very least have close female friends from within their family. Hows your relationship with your mother ksbms? Any sisters? Female cousins? Are they not your friends?

I'll fully admit I actively avoid having platonic female friends. Call me close minded, but it's just not natural in my mind. I tend to believe biological factors just get too much in the way to have a pure friendship with the opposite sex. Though I'm already someone that doesn't consider acquaintances true friends on the male side, so my circle is tight. It's tough for girls to get that high up while platonic in a man's circle. Not to mention, the way we specifically are as men on the forum, we tend to have a lot of controversial views on female nature. Don't you want friends you can be real with?

Now, I keep female family members and girlfriends/wives of relatives out of this. They're girls that are more important to keep around and different types of relationships than what I'm referring to above.

I'll throw a hot take here. The best female friends you will have are ones you had sex with but do not click with romantically. I've had a couple of girls play out like this. These friendships admittedly don't always last permanently because you know, they may date someone else significantly and it can get weird keeping a past hook up around. But, with these few girls, I definitely felt the most comfortable with them versus platonic girls because it was like the pressure was off and the tension was off the table. We could kind of just relax and shoot the shit to a degree. Like it or not, most men will always have the image of sex with a girl that's remotely attractive in the back of their minds until it happens.

[flyinghorse]

(04-06-2019 11:22 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 09:32 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Anyone whos never had female friends is either fairly unlucky or has pretty bad mental issues. Anyone who thinks "No true man has female friends" definitely has mental issues.

Are they as reliable as male friends? No. Are they as fun? Usually no. Are they as close? Also usually no. But they can still make very good friends. And often in very different ways to men - they're more emotionally open generally, can offer good fashion advice, give an insight into the female mind, bring their friends to your parties...etc. They provide plenty of value, just in a different way to a male friend.

If someone has managed to go through life with no female friends from where they grew up, from where they went to school, from university, and from any jobs they've had then the problem is them - not all the thousands of women they've met socially in that time. The vast majority of women may be terrible platonically, but theres always going to be a decent minority.

Hell, most people should at the very least have close female friends from within their family. Hows your relationship with your mother ksbms? Any sisters? Female cousins? Are they not your friends?

I'll fully admit I actively avoid having platonic female friends. Call me close minded, but it's just not natural in my mind. I tend to believe biological factors just get too much in the way to have a pure friendship with the opposite sex. Though I'm already someone that doesn't consider acquaintances true friends on the male side, so my circle is tight. It's tough for girls to get that high up while platonic in a man's circle. Not to mention, the way we specifically are as men on the forum, we tend to have a lot of controversial views on female nature. Don't you want friends you can be real with?

Now, I keep female family members and girlfriends/wives of relatives out of this. They're girls that are more important to keep around and different types of relationships than what I'm referring to above.

I'll throw a hot take here. The best female friends you will have are ones you had sex with but do not click with romantically. I've had a couple of girls play out like this. These friendships admittedly don't always last permanently because you know, they may date someone else significantly and it can get weird keeping a past hook up around. But, with these few girls, I definitely felt the most comfortable with them versus platonic girls because it was like the pressure was off and the tension was off the table. We could kind of just relax and shoot the shit to a degree. Like it or not, most men will always have the image of sex with a girl that's remotely attractive in the back of their minds until it happens.

Unattractive women with good personalities break this 'nature' thing. It wouldn't be natural to mate with someone unattractive. But to hang out, socialize, and have fun with other friends - that's a perfectly fine thing to do.

[jalke63]

(04-06-2019 05:14 AM)Tinder Scientist Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 01:10 PM)jalke63 Wrote:  

this is insane. I have always thought, if an attractive girl was bored and no in real life approached her immediately. She could just respond to random dudes on IG. i mean what attractive girl isn't on ig these days? theres no point on going on tinder for them unless they're extremely picky

Have you seen the type of guys who comment on girls IGs?

Lol yes. But I think most of those guys who comment are not as socially aware. I think there has to be better looking guys in the DMs. But I guess thats also sort of my point. I don't think a girl gets flooded with IG DMs compared to dating apps, especially someone with less followers and doesn't have their social media listed on their dating app profile.

[Captain Gh]

(04-06-2019 04:21 AM)triumph1 Wrote:  

I am from the UK and an incel. I've only been with prostitutes since I was 25. I think the incel population is high here, maybe higher than the US. It's just not talked about because it is embarrassing.

I hit 30 this year and with that age I just don't care what people think anymore which is what pushed me into daygaming in the first place. Good luck trying to convince me to do it when I was 18. Nor would I have discussed my inceldom either.

I run day game in my local town and I get the impression that most chicks think I'm a weirdo.

Day game just doesn't seem to work here at all.

Especially street stops.

Takes time to develop a friendly cool vibe when doing Daygame... especially for men who've been the furthest thing there is to being a natural! Give it some time, and with proper practice... girls rejecting you on the streets will almost feel bad of doing so. I know you might not believe me as a Newb... but trust me on this!

[questor70]

(04-06-2019 09:55 AM)Snag87 Wrote:  

I have genuine female friends, but none that I'm sexually attracted to

This. The When Harry Met Sally rule is infallible and inviolable.

[Bananaman711]

With apps like Instagram there is no need for women to resort to dating sites, IG give them all they need, validation, attention and dates.
Last time I was in Asia i had a few girls tell me they using IG for hook ups, its acting as unofficial dating site as it provides everything like Tinder minus stigma.

Some interesting stats

https://www.omnicoreagency.com/instagram-statistics/

68% of Instagram users are Females.

38% of female internet users use Instagram and 26% of male internet users use Instagram

Brazil ranked second in female user share, the country is home to the largest total Instagram user base in Latin America and second worldwide.


Instagram is used by 31% of American women and 24% of men.


If you want marketplace with favorable odds move to Insta

[Tinder Scientist]

If you actually read IG "game" reports you would know it's a waste of time to use it as a dating tool.
You should use it as an aid to your game, for example you add a girl you want to keep in the backburner and she sees your pictures on her feed a few weeks/months down the line, she comments on your picture and then you reignite the connection.

Most girls would feel like absolute sluts going out with someone they only know from IG, also I'm sure most of them don't even look at their comments since they are filled with thirsty ass indian guys spamming tongue emojis.

[Green-On-GO]

Instagram has all the hot chicks or shall I say hotter chicks.

[Kish]

I'm convinced that there was a MALE baby boom in the 1980s and 1990s.

[alexanderjack]

Pick ugly girls as friends ?

[Elmore]

(04-06-2019 08:16 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

You have female friends? No true man has female friends, either you want to fuck them by definition due to their attractiveness, or ignore contrari-wise (respecting your male friends' girlfriends or wifes, of course).

If you truly believe 'no real man has female friends' then you're trying way too hard to 'be a man'. Which IMHO stems from over-compensating your inner doubt that you are not. I've had female friends over the years, and do to this day. Are these friendships the same as true male friendship can be? Probably not, that's the nature of sexual dynamics. But still, if you meet people and like them, why would you not welcome them as friends? Do you never meet women you like and respect, but aren't sexually interested in? Fucking odd if you ask me.

[DonnyGately]

It's much easier to have hot female friends as you get older. The flirting and chemistry adds to the fun - maybe they're married. Maybe they're a cousin as someone noted. You can't fuck ALL the hot girls, no one can. I'd rather have a hot friend that I can use also as a pawn that helps me get other hot girls to fuck, rather than fuck a hot friend once and have it ruin the relationship.

You know what website has tons of girls who are DTF and the ratio is pretty even -- fetlife. Not a dating website per se but you can meet 100s of girls easily from there. And they mostly have photos showing you exactly what they look like in just about every area.

[BortimusPrime]

I swear online dating has gotten massively worse in just the last few years. I hadn't really messed around with okcupid in a while, but lately I gave it another shot and it's ridiculous. The last three interactions I had on the site went as follows:

1. Was lying about her age by 11 years, went on the date with me to try and wheedle me into buying her dinner and a joint.

2. Chats with me for three days before telling me she doesn't want to go out with me along with a litany of insults about my appearance. (I hadn't said or done anything to provoke this beyond suggesting grabbing a beer)

3. Messaged me first and super excited about meeting up for a date tonight until about thirty minutes beforehand when I message to confirm and subsequently her profile disappears. She blocked me on the site instead of having the basic sense of politeness to just cancel.

Compare this to the past where I could get dates on the site fairly reliably. Although you'd have the occasional chain rescheduling that went nowhere, typically the girl would show up on the first date and talk to you for an hour or so before politely making an excuse if she didn't like you. Now the women all act like 12 year olds.

[bgbusiness]

(04-07-2019 11:41 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I swear online dating has gotten massively worse in just the last few years. I hadn't really messed around with okcupid in a while, but lately I gave it another shot and it's ridiculous. The last three interactions I had on the site went as follows:

1. Was lying about her age by 11 years, went on the date with me to try and wheedle me into buying her dinner and a joint.

2. Chats with me for three days before telling me she doesn't want to go out with me along with a litany of insults about my appearance. (I hadn't said or done anything to provoke this beyond suggesting grabbing a beer)

3. Messaged me first and super excited about meeting up for a date tonight until about thirty minutes beforehand when I message to confirm and subsequently her profile disappears. She blocked me on the site instead of having the basic sense of politeness to just cancel.

Compare this to the past where I could get dates on the site fairly reliably. Although you'd have the occasional chain rescheduling that went nowhere, typically the girl would show up on the first date and talk to you for an hour or so before politely making an excuse if she didn't like you. Now the women all act like 12 year olds.

Thank you for your perspective and I am not trying to put you on the spot at all because I did the same with Tinder. Re-downloaded and deleted within couple days.

I had this thought the other day. "Trying to find a long-term relationship or a companion on a dating app or online is like trying to find a car that can be driven for a long time without huge issues on craigslist."

[BortimusPrime]

(04-08-2019 12:37 AM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

Thank you for your perspective and I am not trying to put you on the spot at all because I did the same with Tinder. Re-downloaded and deleted within couple days.

I had this thought the other day. "Trying to find a long-term relationship or a companion on a dating app or online is like trying to find a car that can be driven for a long time without huge issues on craigslist."

One thing I noticed was that the shitty behavior intensified when I realized I hadn't changed my age range preference. Once I set it to include women my age suddenly my match list exploded with single women in their mid-30s, but they seem to be the worst-behaved despite being less attractive. Like marriage and children has sucked up all the good ones so what's left are the crazies.

It's funny how you read article after article in the manosphere about how childless women turn into crazy cunts, but you still hold out hope that its exaggerated until you see it in real life.

[Pytonga]

Been on the date with 6 - and she had 500 matches on Tinder.
Land whale in my office easily can get laid and on Tinder she feels like she is hot superstar.

All beta knights floods girls accounts with messages: Hi beauty, and they are looking for relationship straight away - for them female with pussy is a princess.

and 6 on the date was really boring so I wasted my time and refused to have fun...

[tobywagner]

Thats bullshit! I mean yeah... There have allways been more guys than girls on dating sites. And competition was allways hard. But if you have good images and bio you should have a chance to meet girls online.

Just improve your game...!
Or move to 3rd world countries where white guys are in high demand