[Bananaman711]

I have a theory if women is on Tinder or similar apps then she has some mental issue, she is permanently damaged as a person even if she was normal before she got on.



Brain of a girl 3 or 5 has not evolved to process all the attention and potential offers from hundreds or thousands of men who are a 2-4 points above her and as result they can afford to act like complete cunts while men are in stuck in perpetual state of "self-improvement" hoping to find a sandwich in a garbage can, male and female relations have gone too far away in the opposite directions.

How would you feel going on a date knowing you got 500 quality options on your app that you can order like pizza, i guess you wouldn't be too excited or give a crap about your date or dates in general.
Todays women suffer from chronic burnout caused by social and dating apps, they lost ability to bond with anyone.
Chad can get bodies but these women are empty and spent regardless of age

[nek]

(04-05-2019 12:36 PM)Conquistador Wrote:  

Social circle

Guys on here that are doing the nomadic lifestyle thing might not like it, but social circle will always be king. Women want status, and social proof/belonging to a social circle (better yet, being king of a circle) is the most basic way the female hindbrain understands value. It was mentioned in another thread - the decrease in people having sex thread I think - but the whole pick-up world and its ability to be a successful avenue was really a lucky confluence of circmustances in the world, or at least it is appearing to be. I'd argue that most guy's one night stands are either the result of being connected to a girl through social circle to some degree anyways.

[yang2287]

(04-09-2019 12:12 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

Brain of a girl 3 or 5 has not evolved to process all the attention and potential offers from hundreds or thousands of men who are a 2-4 points above her and as result they can afford to act like complete cunts while men are in stuck in perpetual state of "self-improvement" hoping to find a sandwich in a garbage can, male and female relations have gone too far away in the opposite directions.

This expression really explains what i feel like when am on Tinder, there is another one called AdopteunMec in france, it's literally filled with garbage women.

But you'd be surprised who you can meet in this trash of a website. I have dated some really classy girls from this websites (Fashion design directors, buisness owners etc). But they are very very rare and do not stay too long on the website

The vast majority of the girls online are broken, the websites are a collection of garbage, you better be looking for a bang and not LTR

[flyinghorse]

(04-05-2019 11:28 PM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

Dating in the UK sounds like hell.

Dating in UK is actually really easy.

If you're decent looking and are good at texting then we can just hop on tinder and get without any difficulty. The only kicker is our women aren't the best looking (us guys aren't exactly perfect though either) so if you have super high standards then you're fucked.

When I got addicted to sex/dating i'd be on a date 6 nights out of the week.

[GreenHills]

500 quality options??

Dude, no. Make a fake girl account. There are no 500 quality options. I made one once on okcupid, there were barely any true quality options, and the girl was hot. Lots of losers with loser openers.

Sure, she has options, but you’re fooling yourselves if you think at any time girls are swimming in quality. And it’s not helping your dating life to think from such a defeated point of view.

[Tinder Scientist]

(04-09-2019 10:00 AM)GreenHills Wrote:  

500 quality options??

Dude, no. Make a fake girl account. There are no 500 quality options. I made one once on okcupid, there were barely any true quality options, and the girl was hot. Lots of losers with loser openers.

Sure, she has options, but you’re fooling yourselves if you think at any time girls are swimming in quality. And it’s not helping your dating life to think from such a defeated point of view.

The main complaint I hear from women is how ugly/creepy/lame guys are on Tinder.

This is the reason why a lot of women just leave these platforms really quickly.
Women seem to be more of the come in, see the goods and leave as opposed to guys who are grinding it year long trying to get something.

Also most women don't have the patience to sort through the bad apples to get what they want. If she is looking for a relationship she is going to get burned out by the pump and dumpers, and if she is just looking for ONS she has the risk of the guy being boring, bad in bed,etc.

There are a few women that seem to be forever on every dating app, they are usually average to ugly looking, I don't know how they stand it.

I think it is quite useless complaining about the current ratios or how unfair the dating market is, we all know that. It's better to use that knowledge to our advantage.

Also I don't agree entirely with the notion that just because an average women has 500 likes it will inflate her ego enough to challenge her view on dating. The worst thing about it is not the ego but the "noise" it generates in their messages, this is why I will never use a site that doesn't require mutual matching to message.

[whiteknightrises]

Quote:

My question is, if the girls are not meeting men on these apps, then where the hell are they meeting men? Only DayGame?

...In real life?

Through friends?

Through work?

...

?

Online BY FAR has the most competition in terms of all the "cold approach games" (online, daygame, nightgame)

Why?

It takes zero balls to make a profile, throw up some (usually shitty) pics, and fire off a bunch of messages.

That being said, there are pros and cons to everything e.g. there's something to be said about being able to meet girls without having to go outside, have friends/be social, etc.

[gework]

(04-06-2019 04:44 AM)Eddie Morra Wrote:  

I find it ironic that every single social media platform and dating app were developed by men.

Men?

(04-05-2019 01:51 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Women don't feel attraction, sex drive, or urgency to hook up the way men do. I'd say in most cases the man is more attracted to the woman than she is to him. They are passive and non-committal by nature.

They are non-committal by nature in The West due to the change in the environment. The market value match of a woman in The West is no longer of much interest or use to them. Women can get all of the things they want relatively easily. This isn't the case in many other countries. The one thing which they want which they struggle to get is commitment. There are fewer relationships now, less sex per capita, marriage is being put off later; despite the growing number of guys who would commit to them.

A big reason for this is because market value is being rigged. Why would a low-end woman want a low-end man around today? When she can have society pay her his salary and not have to put up with him. You can say the same on every vector which women desire.

[yankeetravels]

(04-09-2019 12:24 AM)nek Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 12:36 PM)Conquistador Wrote:  

Social circle

Guys on here that are doing the nomadic lifestyle thing might not like it, but social circle will always be king. Women want status, and social proof/belonging to a social circle (better yet, being king of a circle) is the most basic way the female hindbrain understands value. It was mentioned in another thread - the decrease in people having sex thread I think - but the whole pick-up world and its ability to be a successful avenue was really a lucky confluence of circmustances in the world, or at least it is appearing to be. I'd argue that most guy's one night stands are either the result of being connected to a girl through social circle to some degree anyways.

I think you're going to end up being right about the lucky congruence thing, or at least it's appearing that way, since too many guys may have jumped on the bandwagon in one small area. Iceland and Poland being the biggest examples. With that said, I don't think we should give up travel and resort to our shitty social circles at home just because global online game may have hit its peak. Like someone said above, it's time to use the updated knowledge to our advantage. Part of my theory is that it may be individual locations that are played out and maybe second or third tier places, or even new countries, are being kept under wraps because PUAs really don't seem to write about destinations anymore. Basically what I'm saying is, guys need to start making more effort on market research and doing their homework.

Me personally, social circle game is really not an option for my lifestyle. I'm not really someone that has enough roots anywhere to really make that work, being in solo work environments and traveling out of my area (and planning on traveling in the future) whenever I can. Despite the metoo stuff lately, I notice people my age in normal office environments still meet for relationships through work or at least their social network through work. The lone wolf guys like myself are really gonna have to make a strong effort to find new ways in or stand out.

To kind of contradict your statement, I have never gotten a social circle lay in my life. 100% of mine have been through either online game or night game, with I think about 80% of my lifetime bangs coming from outside my home country. So you can say I've really benefited from the past system this decade, but I will have to find new ways to make it work. I remember one destination I went back to just a year later had basically 0 tinder effect versus the first time when I was actually getting some strong matches.

For women overall, it's hard to say where they are meeting men most often now because I'm not a 20's girl. I don't think it's from Tinder given the ratios presented. There is a stigma now from tinder about it being a sex app. With these ratios, it may be time to stop living in the past with tinder, accept that we had a good five year or so run with it, and move on to the new avenues. Guys in other travel forums really only think about tinder and hostels for meeting chicks. We can still be ahead of the curve. I'm not gonna be as harsh as to say adapt or die, but we as a forum really need to get out of the gutter and start getting some optimism back again. If I can do that in one of the shittiest parts of America for women, I'm sure you guys can abroad with more feminine girls available.

[Bananaman711]

"social circle" and "self improvement" are memes everyone keeps parroting, it has to stop, CC can never provide me with steady inflow of fresh pussy


So called circles take time end energie to build, all it takes one or 2 bangs and you are done assuming you are lucky enough to not end up in a friends zone of some kind.
Plus social circle chicks are not waiting for anyone, they do have social media and dating apps so you will still have to compete with those dudes she gets on there.

[Tinder Scientist]

(04-10-2019 09:04 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

"social circle" and "self improvement" are memes everyone keeps parroting, it has to stop, CC can never provide me with steady inflow of fresh pussy


So called circles take time end energie to build, all it takes one or 2 bangs and you are done assuming you are lucky enough to not end up in a friends zone of some kind.
Plus social circle chicks are not waiting for anyone, they do have social media and dating apps so you will still have to compete with those dudes she gets on there.

I don't get what you are advocating instead of the "self improvement" meme.

Self improvement is for yourself and social circles are formed naturally, not to chase girls.

[Elmore]

(04-06-2019 02:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

UK guys, if the incel population in America is 30%, what would you estimate it is in the UK? Have there been any articles on this?

Think you underestimate how many blind drunk slags there out in any town centre on any night in the UK. It's a horror show. Watch a Brits Abroad, standard fayre. Then in town centres across the land you just get this shit but even worse, because the drink prices are so high, they all get hammered at home. Depressing as fuck that this is what it's come to, and this is standardised and considered 'normal'. The spiritual and within a generation or two, literal, dead-end of a nation

[Bananaman711]

(04-06-2019 09:27 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

How could the researchers determined the sex ratio?

Tinder would surely guard this secret for all its worth.

Methodology

Data insights have been sourced through Ogury’s Insights Hub in full compliance with GDPR. This study was undertaken over a three month period from 1 October 2018 to 31 December 2018 and looked at 12 million mobile users across the UK, US, France, Spain and Italy.


It wouldn't be that hard to determine ratios with premium account, unlimited matches, you set distance and age group and count number of men and women till there is noone in the area.
I did that for POF in my city about 5 years ago and results were like 3-6 men for 1 women depending on area and age group.

Dating companies are scammers anyway, they know guys will outnumber girl so they will always add fake female accounts to keep business going

[StrikeBack]

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

[Borges]

(04-10-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

Most of the time it will be because online is easy and approaching is hard.

That said, if you can optimise the time you spend on online gaming, there are no downsides to it. It's an additional source of pussy that you can manage with just a few minutes of effort.

[Conquistador]

The fact that it takes so little effort, yet guys are still bitching about it is a testament to how high we are in entitlement.

[quaker13]

(04-10-2019 09:04 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

"social circle" and "self improvement" are memes everyone keeps parroting, it has to stop, CC can never provide me with steady inflow of fresh pussy


So called circles take time end energie to build, all it takes one or 2 bangs and you are done assuming you are lucky enough to not end up in a friends zone of some kind.
Plus social circle chicks are not waiting for anyone, they do have social media and dating apps so you will still have to compete with those dudes she gets on there.

Why the hell are people recalcitrant about improving themselves and being social for fuck sake. Jesus Christ.

Humans are social/tribal people we are meant to socialize. I've never advocated getting a social circle for women, but I have advocated social circle for the overall enrichment of you ass a man. Why wouldn't you want a group of cool friends or even uncool friends to raise hell with. Guys need to get their head out of their ass.

Regarding self improvement, go fuck yourself if you don't want to be the best you that you can be. You should always strive to acquire more knowledge, be better at your job or setting out to change careers if you aren't happy and last but not least improving yourself physically. Women treat you how you treat yourself. I wouldn't want a bitch that watches Lifetime day and night while eating pita chips and hummus. I want a bitch that takes pride in her appearance and in some capacity is striving at bettering her self internally.

[questor70]

(04-10-2019 09:26 PM)Conquistador Wrote:  

The fact that it takes so little effort, yet guys are still bitching about it is a testament to how high we are in entitlement.

Effort can be measured in different ways, like the sheer time invested in return for the bangs achieved. I tend to swipe only when I've got nothing else to do but it can be a habitual thing that takes time away from other activities, especially when you feel it's a numbers game.

For instance, this just showed up on my Google News:

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/cloaki...s-own-term

These "oh how horrible online dating is" stories tend to have women bitching and moaning instead of men but what articles like these do is show that even for women (at least women who are below 6), there's so little consideration shown in the process that everyone has to look at every single investment of time and energy towards a "lead" at any step of the way as though it could be a total loss.

The best word for this is "commodification".

When something is a commodity there's really no emotion involved. It's just the pendulum swing of the market. A vagina is a vagina. Online dating turns the process into shopping which is depersonalizing. People go through the motions as if they give a damn about the other person but they really don't.

[Ouroboros]

(04-10-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

It's not so surprising. If you only have a small or non-existent social circle and live in a city where nightlife has low game ROI and talking to strangers during the day is considered socially unacceptable, online dating will seem like the only option.

I also wonder how many men outside of the manosphere are actually aware of how much the odds are stacked against them on tinder and other apps.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(04-05-2019 01:51 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Women don't feel attraction, sex drive, or urgency to hook up the way men do. I'd say in most cases the man is more attracted to the woman than she is to him. They are passive and non-committal by nature. Their attraction builds gradually like a dimmer knob, or "wound up". Their attraction has more layers than a man's. Yea there are situations where you get a young nympho hooked on you but I'd say their average drive towards a man is way lower.

I rarely see a hot girl who seems genuinely *into* a boyfriend or man. The boyfriend is an accessory more than anything.

It improves your game to understand this.

Spot-on comment Mr. Volante.

This is why the old school style of computer communications was much better. In chat rooms and places like Yahoo Messenger, you could meet a woman OUTSIDE the realm of dating per se and bond over common interests like weird music or vintage cars.

Then you could escalate that slow into something more. You'd amp up a woman's drive through the natural process of getting to know someone.

But once you box all that into the realm of online dating, all that goes out the window. It all gets constricted and dumbed down (Average Male: "Are you DTF?" Average Female: "How tall are you and what's your salary").

This June will mark the 15 year anniversary of "Napoleon Dynamite." Although the Kip/LaFawnda romance is played for laughs, there is a serious undercurrent there. People really did connect that way in chat rooms back in the early 2000s. If you made that movie today, those two characters never would have connected on OKC or Tinder. Kip would still be making his quesaDILLAs alone.

[quaker13]

(04-11-2019 09:57 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

It's not so surprising. If you only have a small or non-existent social circle and live in a city where nightlife has low game ROI and talking to strangers during the day is considered socially unacceptable, online dating will seem like the only option.

I also wonder how many men outside of the manosphere are actually aware of how much the odds are stacked against them on tinder and other apps.

Move. That's what the fuck I did. There's no excuse. Save up your money and fucking move. I grew up in a small city with a population around 150000. I knew I didn't want to spend my prime years there. Upon graduating from University I fucking moved.

[Elmore]

(04-11-2019 10:23 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 09:57 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

It's not so surprising. If you only have a small or non-existent social circle and live in a city where nightlife has low game ROI and talking to strangers during the day is considered socially unacceptable, online dating will seem like the only option.

I also wonder how many men outside of the manosphere are actually aware of how much the odds are stacked against them on tinder and other apps.

Move. That's what the fuck I did. There's no excuse. Save up your money and fucking move. I grew up in a small city with a population around 150000. I knew I didn't want to spend my prime years there. Upon graduating from University I fucking moved.

Falling out of one frying pan and into another... Modern western big cities are not exactly a utopia, to put it mildly.

[quaker13]

(04-11-2019 10:38 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 10:23 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2019 09:57 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 08:45 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

The real shocker is why the hell guys are still doing online dating after knowing all of these.

It's not so surprising. If you only have a small or non-existent social circle and live in a city where nightlife has low game ROI and talking to strangers during the day is considered socially unacceptable, online dating will seem like the only option.

I also wonder how many men outside of the manosphere are actually aware of how much the odds are stacked against them on tinder and other apps.

Move. That's what the fuck I did. There's no excuse. Save up your money and fucking move. I grew up in a small city with a population around 150000. I knew I didn't want to spend my prime years there. Upon graduating from University I fucking moved.

Falling out of one frying pan and into another... Modern western big cities are not exactly a utopia, to put it mildly.

Respectfully, what would you suggest?

[triumph1]

(04-10-2019 11:29 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 02:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

UK guys, if the incel population in America is 30%, what would you estimate it is in the UK? Have there been any articles on this?

Think you underestimate how many blind drunk slags there out in any town centre on any night in the UK. It's a horror show. Watch a Brits Abroad, standard fayre. Then in town centres across the land you just get this shit but even worse, because the drink prices are so high, they all get hammered at home. Depressing as fuck that this is what it's come to, and this is standardised and considered 'normal'. The spiritual and within a generation or two, literal, dead-end of a nation

Do you really think so much as touching those kinds of chicks especially in that kind of state is going to result in anything less than a sexual assault charge? Or being attacked by an army of her chav beta orbiters and possibly kicked to death.

I don't even know how you would perform an approach on women in this state. For instance, how would one hold a coherent conversation?

This is why since I was 18 I have had an unwavering stance on point blank refusing to out out to any "night time" venue.

I am now 30 and have avoided any incidents completely.

[quaker13]

(04-11-2019 11:26 AM)triumph1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 11:29 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 02:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

UK guys, if the incel population in America is 30%, what would you estimate it is in the UK? Have there been any articles on this?

Think you underestimate how many blind drunk slags there out in any town centre on any night in the UK. It's a horror show. Watch a Brits Abroad, standard fayre. Then in town centres across the land you just get this shit but even worse, because the drink prices are so high, they all get hammered at home. Depressing as fuck that this is what it's come to, and this is standardised and considered 'normal'. The spiritual and within a generation or two, literal, dead-end of a nation

Do you really think so much as touching those kinds of chicks especially in that kind of state is going to result in anything less than a sexual assault charge? Or being attacked by an army of her chav beta orbiters and possibly kicked to death.

I don't even know how you would perform an approach on women in this state. For instance, how would one hold a coherent conversation?

This is why since I was 18 I have had an unwavering stance on point blank refusing to out out to any "night time" venue.

I am now 30 and have avoided any incidents completely.

I'm a former frat boy and have been around my fair share of inebriated women. It's really not a big deal, just don't pursue them if they are drunk. Drunks sex blows anyway. Night game is still fun and will continue to be fun just use common sense. Thousands of men game aware and ungame aware night game every weekend and the local jails aren't full of rapists.