[doc holliday]

Damn, Latvia sounds like pure hell (from Roosh's story).

[WashedUPVet]

(07-24-2018 02:40 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

(07-23-2018 11:59 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

I have had 4 Russian girls live with me from 10 day to 30 day stays. One will return this fall to hopefully spend another month with me in California. I’m really looking forward to it.

Just out of interest did you cover all their expenses including flights? Where they happy just to hang out with you or did they ask you to buy them gifts? How did you keep them entertained? 30 days with a Russian girl together pretty much all the time while she is not working seems like a very long time.

Was there a point when they got angry with you, called you greedy and denied sex?

For the girl I kicked to the curb in 5 days, yes she called me greedy and denied sex. Among other reasons, that is why she got the boot. I’m ashamed to say I paid for her ticket. I did however realize a sunk cost and didn’t try to salvage something that couldn’t be salvaged. My only solace was her quality of life went way down after she left me (from social media observances of where she was living).

I live in the “Golden State,” of California. Sorry for the confusion OP in my previous post. Aparently, I don’t know my own State’s Motto! But to answer your question @SuperShalk, I paid for 3 of 4 tickets. I think I sent them all over on hell connecting flights with layovers, and damage was usually around $5-600 to LAX off season. I did not buy gifts above $20 or any other type of support. I talk about gifts in my first post of this thread. I also did not give money to them while they were here. I only paid for the flight and dinners we had together which were mostly at home cooking for the longer stays. For me the amount of money I paid for the flight, it was well worth the companionship. It’s pretty easy for a girl coming from Moscow winter to a beach city in Southern California to be entertained. I went to work and carried on with my life returning in the evening. Girls would go to the beach, ride bikes, take yoga classes and walk around the beach city. They already pictured themselves doing these things before arrival from my Instagram stories, which no doubt created a level of comfort coming here. On the weekends I would l plan something fun like a road trip to San Francisco, San Diego or sight seeing in LA (yuck). I actually had never been to the Hollywood Walk of Stars or Griffith Observatory until I took my 1st Russian visitor, and I’m a native raised here and in Hawaii. It was a fun time for me too.

I think @Fortis hits something here comparing Russia to Thailand (I’ve never been to Thailand). Russia will sharpen your skills abroad which you can apply to easier environments such as Thailand. It’s going to be an uphill battle in the FSU for someone who has camped out in SEA.

[DaveR]

Maybe I've missed the point of this thead... are we talking about pay-for-play sluts here (sugar babies, "sponsorship", "helping a damsel in distress"), or are we talking about normal girls ("моралистки" as they're often derided)?

If you're willing to pay (I'm not, but that's me), there's no need to fuck around in Moscow pretending you love soviet architecture and shitty weather... just spend half an hour spamming sluts on Mamba and you'll have plenty of strange ready to jump on your dick for a free trip to California or Italy or Thailand or any other holiday destination.

If that's what you're after, Ukraine presents better opportunities for arbitrage at the moment because they're busted-ass broke and, as of this year, have visa-free access to Europe. So if you live in Bumfuck, Arkansas or somewhere equally enticing, you can advertise a free trip to Italy, Spain, Greece or wherever tickles your desire.

[reco2100]

(07-26-2018 07:45 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

Maybe I've missed the point of this thead... are we talking about pay-for-play sluts here (sugar babies, "sponsorship", "helping a damsel in distress"), or are we talking about normal girls ("моралистки" as they're often derided)?

If you're willing to pay (I'm not, but that's me), there's no need to fuck around in Moscow pretending you love soviet architecture and shitty weather... just spend half an hour spamming sluts on Mamba and you'll have plenty of strange ready to jump on your dick for a free trip to California or Italy or Thailand or any other holiday destination.

If that's what you're after, Ukraine presents better opportunities for arbitrage at the moment because they're busted-ass broke and, as of this year, have visa-free access to Europe. So if you live in Bumfuck, Arkansas or somewhere equally enticing, you can advertise a free trip to Italy, Spain, Greece or wherever tickles your desire.

Dave, I am not sure what you're asking here? I never indicated I wanted to pay anyone. Just like I have never indicated I want to marry anyone nor import them to the US. The FSU women I have dated have been decent good-hearted and never asked for a penny.

I do like the idea of traveling and exploring different parts of the world, and I like meeting new beautiful women and spending time with them. I am not pretending anything.

The point of the thread is to learn something about dealing with FSU women beyond my own experience after I heard the dreadful comments coming from a pair of divorce lawyers who had seen a lot of bad things. And most certainly had seen the worst element of FSU women coming through the system.

And I have received some really good and actionable information. And I also have received a lot of angry stuff also.

[reco2100]

Hey Vet thanks for the information and sharing your experience. I gave you a rep point.

[DaveR]

(07-26-2018 04:52 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Dave, I am not sure what you're asking here? I never indicated I wanted to pay anyone. Just like I have never indicated I want to marry anyone nor import them to the US. The FSU women I have dated have been decent good-hearted and never asked for a penny.

I do like the idea of traveling and exploring different parts of the world, and I like meeting new beautiful women and spending time with them. I am not pretending anything.

The point of the thread is to learn something about dealing with FSU women beyond my own experience after I heard the dreadful comments coming from a pair of divorce lawyers who had seen a lot of bad things. And most certainly had seen the worst element of FSU women coming through the system.

And I have received some really good and actionable information. And I also have received a lot of angry stuff also.

That wasn't aimed at you, Reco; I was left scratching my head after WashedUPVet's post about paying for girls' holidays, so decided to ask for some clarity... It sounds like we're on the same wavelength.

As far as holidays are concerned: a lot of Russian girls are willing to exchange sex for a nice holiday, even if they aren't really into you. There's a popular website for such arrangements ('sponsorship' in their terminology). It's called 'Mamba' and is somewhat similar to Seeking Arrangement. I.e. it allows girls to sell themselves but pretend that they aren't engaging in soft prostitution.

Personally, I don't do that because I think you lose frame when you give gifts to girls you're not already in a long-term relationship with. However, I know other guys who do and are happy with the arrangement. A friend from Sicily thinks I'm God since I introduced him to Mamba... he falls in love with a new blonde slut every month; they get a free holiday and he gets them. It's all fake, but he's happy.

[BelyyTigr]

(07-26-2018 05:45 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(07-26-2018 04:52 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Dave, I am not sure what you're asking here? I never indicated I wanted to pay anyone. Just like I have never indicated I want to marry anyone nor import them to the US. The FSU women I have dated have been decent good-hearted and never asked for a penny.

I do like the idea of traveling and exploring different parts of the world, and I like meeting new beautiful women and spending time with them. I am not pretending anything.

The point of the thread is to learn something about dealing with FSU women beyond my own experience after I heard the dreadful comments coming from a pair of divorce lawyers who had seen a lot of bad things. And most certainly had seen the worst element of FSU women coming through the system.

And I have received some really good and actionable information. And I also have received a lot of angry stuff also.

That wasn't aimed at you, Reco; I was left scratching my head after WashedUPVet's post about paying for girls' holidays, so decided to ask for some clarity... It sounds like we're on the same wavelength.

As far as holidays are concerned: a lot of Russian girls are willing to exchange sex for a nice holiday, even if they aren't really into you. There's a popular website for such arrangements ('sponsorship' in their terminology). It's called 'Mamba' and is somewhat similar to Seeking Arrangement. I.e. it allows girls to sell themselves but pretend that they aren't engaging in soft prostitution.

Personally, I don't do that because I think you lose frame when you give gifts to girls you're not already in a long-term relationship with. However, I know other guys who do and are happy with the arrangement. A friend from Sicily thinks I'm God since I introduced him to Mamba... he falls in love with a new blonde slut every month; they get a free holiday and he gets them. It's all fake, but he's happy.

There's forums which talk specifically about Ru/FSU women in depth. People think Ru woman are just 2 distinct categories - homely saint and brazen golddigging monster/or for the gullible - internet scammer. But the reality is that its more nuanced. Its not just a quick buck. They may try their strategies over months or many years even. You could meet them anywhere - the West, Russia, at work, in a bar, on holiday. THey're looking to game just as men are.Except their morals are very likely lower than many men.

I dated a Russian lapdancer. I never felt deceived/misled by her or even at risk in any way. Because I knew what she was. So it was a fun time.

Then there was another, a Holier than Thou "sweet orthodox girl". But she was a pathological liar. The "when you lie, tell big lies, because people will never believe you had the balls to tell such whoppers". Anyway, "Little Miss Saint" was hedging her bets in every way possible. Told me she "travelled a lot with her work". My view was always "I won't ask, I don't want to know, because I've got a good enough idea already". I was travelling a lot myself, and gaming different women, so I didn't give a fuck what she did if it was a long way away from me.
But as you mention, her background was all "sponsored holidays" with different men. And going off radar, and pleading poverty on occasion (despite having comfortable parents), too much drink and drugs etc etc etc. Ok it sounds funny, but "other than that" I was stupid enough to think we were nearly perfectly compatible. Yes a big "other than that" I know. Fortunately, I was nervous about exposing myself to an end game strategy, so I got away pretty unharmed looking back. Anyway, the point is, the red flags are out there, often hidden behind apparent green ones. You could potentially be in a "relationship" with one but never underestimate how twofaced/calculating they be acting in ways you might not think likely.

Substantial numbers of Russian women want the quick hit AND play the long game. And the "middle game". They only respond to controlling factors or the carrot and the stick. Trust and honour don't come into it sadly. Once they are busted they'll run away like rats. It makes me quite angry because Russia is a great country with great traditions, and this minority of morons reflects badly on my paternal ancestral homeland.

[DaveR]

(07-27-2018 09:46 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

But as you mention, her background was all "sponsored holidays" with different men. And going off radar, and pleading poverty on occasion (despite having comfortable parents), too much drink and drugs etc etc etc.

Exactly - a lot of girls are willing to give up the bang for a free holiday or some gifts... but that isn't game; as soon as you stop paying, she'll stop playing and the next guy will pick up her tab.

As I understood, sponsorship and other pay-for-play arrangements are viewed quite negatively here, this being a game forum and all..

[JWLZG]

(07-22-2018 08:11 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Whereas the single FSU women brought to the USA by a typical Green Card Mule (You) almost all have hypergamy instincts that rule their every waking thought and if you are not the Penultimate Russian Style Alpha male - they will be socializing online and hanging in the best gold digging cocktail and martini bars until they find said Alpha.

I was given to understand that "penultimate" means "second last".



What would be the archetype of the ultimate Russian Style Alpha male?

[Deepdiver]

LOL The Joke among the so called Russian Oligarchs … the 70+ USD equivalent Billionaires and several hundreds of Centimillionaires it that there are only Two Oligarchs left in Russia being Chairman of the Board of Russia Inc., Putin and his lead consigliere Medvedev.

All the rest of the Russian Rich Alphas serve the wishes of the "Oligarchs" who serve the best interests of the Russian People being the patriotic nationalists that they are and nothing wrong with that.

Viva Trumpismo America First Nationalism.

Therefore the rest of the Russian Rich Alphas are therefore merely Penultimates or perhaps Putulatimates at the "next to last" of the Ultimate Oligarchs power curve hierarchy.

[jordypip23]

Russian broads are well represented among the strip club circuits in NYC & NJ. For sure they are experts at extracting money from wealthy fools. I'd be extremely cautious if I were you. Keep things politely cold & casual at best. Don't fall in love with these broads.

[WashedUPVet]

OP-
Don’t be like this sucker buying gifts and flying Russian girls out to Los Angeles (or your like substitute American coastal city). She was cold as Siberian ice upon arrival and had to ditch her.

In other news, have a good trip this week and keep us posted!

[reco2100]

(08-11-2018 06:58 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

OP-
Don’t be like this sucker buying gifts and flying Russian girls out to Los Angeles (or your like substitute American coastal city). She was cold as Siberian ice upon arrival and had to ditch her.

In other news, have a good trip this week and keep us posted!

Thanks Vet. I am not buying any gifts and certainly not anything like that.

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol

I am looking forward to this trip. And I will keep yall posted.

[reco2100]

Well, I finally made it to Moscow. Had to go through Istanbul. Not a good experience. Turkish airlines messed up some things and they were not the least bit interested in helping me.

Then I got on the phone with my last bit of battery left and contacted United a Star Alliance partner and they were able to fix things. One interesting traveler's tip. Most times you get better service from an Alliance partner booking or resolving a flight with the sister airline than the actual airline you are flying. This is kind of indicative most customer service experiences where companies seem to take their actual customer for granted.

Even the executive lounge in Istanbul is quite primitive and threadbare. Then I got on the flight to Moscow and things got better. Women on the plane were better looking and the service was better. I met a couple of girls on the plane. I know zero Russian so they kind of spoke English, it was easier than I thought. Most people I have met have been friendly and helpful. Still feeling my way around. Always looking for tips on this.

Also Uber seems to be a problem. Difficult to communicate with drivers. I got one chick meeting tomorrow. Will keep you updated.

[gework]

(08-17-2018 10:28 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Also Uber seems to be a problem. Difficult to communicate with drivers. I got one chick meeting tomorrow. Will keep you updated.

In Russia Uber is a fascia for Yandex taxi. You ming find it easier to use the Yandex app.

[Rocha]

(08-11-2018 08:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 06:58 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

OP-
Don’t be like this sucker buying gifts and flying Russian girls out to Los Angeles (or your like substitute American coastal city). She was cold as Siberian ice upon arrival and had to ditch her.

In other news, have a good trip this week and keep us posted!

Thanks Vet. I am not buying any gifts and certainly not anything like that.

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol

I am looking forward to this trip. And I will keep yall posted.

My understanding of the song is that she is a flying hostess, he is not flying her anywhere.

Timati is a good artist, great songs of his and others produced by him to others.

Also dude is not black, he is half Tatar half jewish, you will see plenty guys with that complexion in Moscow, mostly Caucasians.

[Count Pierre]

(08-11-2018 08:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol

Timati is one of the most famous singer in Russia/FSU ..... I know nothing about rap, but he is the equivalent in term of popularity to, I guess, Jay Z or Eminen - or rappers even more famous in the US (with of course less global reach). He made duos with some other famous russian singers like Grigory Leps (who actually is georgian, and is the equivalent of say Springsteen in the US, or Johnny Halliday in France). If you want to mesh well with russian chicks, and not look like a total ignorant about Russia, I would suggest doing your homework for a bit more of cultural awereness/knowledge ... Russian women are suckers about their own culture (of course not just singers, but also classic or contemporary authors, poets, classic soviet movies, ect..) - and if cultural knowledge alone will not get you direct access to panties in the FSU, it moves you a step closer and allows for the possibility by separating you from a guy solely hungry for russian pussy.

[Count Pierre]

(08-11-2018 08:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol.

.....and what about rappers (Zloi Mambet) from Yakoutia (extreme Northeast) ?

[Raja]

(08-17-2018 11:35 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 08:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol

Timati is one of the most famous singer in Russia/FSU ..... I know nothing about rap, but he is the equivalent in term of popularity to, I guess, Jay Z or Eminen - or rappers even more famous in the US (with of course less global reach). He made duos with some other famous russian singers like Gregory Leps (who actually is georgian, and is the equivalent of say Springsteen in the US, or Johnny Halliday in France). If you want to mesh well with russian chicks, and not look like a total ignorant about Russia, I would suggest doing your homework for a bit more of cultural awereness/knowledge ... Russian women are suckers about their own culture (of course not just singers, but also classic or contemporary authors, poets, classic soviet movies, ect..) - and if cultural knowledge alone will not get you direct access to panties in the FSU, it moves you a step closer and allows for the possibility by separating you from a guy solely hungry for russian pussy.

I never heard of Johnny Halliday, but Bruce Springsteen has more talent in his little finger than Timati.

Russian rap music is something i'm proud to be ignorant about

[Count Pierre]

(08-17-2018 12:25 PM)Raja Wrote:  

I never heard of Johnny Halliday, but Bruce Springsteen has more talent in his little finger than Timati.

Russian rap music is something i'm proud to be ignorant about

Learn to read, instead of being controversial for nothing. I compared Sprinsteen to Grigory Leps (who has IMO as much talent). And this in term of popularity and longevity, not in term of music genre.

I'm a huge fan.

[Raja]

Nevertheless, if you want to learn Russian culture, forget rap music for sure, the kind of women i'm interested in don't listen to that crap

[Rocha]

(08-17-2018 12:29 PM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 12:25 PM)Raja Wrote:  

I never heard of Johnny Halliday, but Bruce Springsteen has more talent in his little finger than Timati.

Russian rap music is something i'm proud to be ignorant about

Learn to read, instead of being controversial for nothing. I compared Sprinsteen to Grigory Leps (who has IMO as much talent). And this in term of popularity and longevity, not in term of music genre.

I'm a huge fan.

I am also a huge fan, if I could embbed here a voice message (a la whatsapp) with my skills singing this guy, I would ))))
Tolkoooo riumki vodka na stole )))))

[Bikal]

(08-17-2018 10:28 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Always looking for tips on this.

My only tip would be, don't fly Turkish Airlines, they used to be decent but for some reason, quality has taken a nosedive and airlines like Lufthansa which for Y has plummeted to the ground in quality, is better although their J experience is miles ahead of most of the other *A airlines.

[reco2100]

(08-17-2018 03:05 PM)Bikal Wrote:  

(08-17-2018 10:28 AM)reco2100 Wrote:  

Always looking for tips on this.

My only tip would be, don't fly Turkish Airlines, they used to be decent but for some reason, quality has taken a nosedive and airlines like Lufthansa which for Y has plummeted to the ground in quality, is better although their J experience is miles ahead of most of the other *A airlines.

Thanks for the tip Bikal. I won't be flying them again unless an emergency. It was amazing to see them rushing beleaguered passengers around the airport from counter to counter. And all the while there would be 3 or four or more Turkish Airlines employees standing around laughing and joking, and reading their phones but heaven forbid they would actually help a customer. It was quite a day.

By the way, it was United Airlines that went above and beyond and kept me from having to purchase a Turkish visa and get out of that godforsaken place. And they did not charge me anything. But I do agree the American airlines are not good overall.

Oh well, all part of the adventure.

[reco2100]

(08-17-2018 11:35 AM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 08:38 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

It was kind of funny watching a "black"? Dude singing in Russian and doing rap. lol

Timati is one of the most famous singer in Russia/FSU ..... I know nothing about rap, but he is the equivalent in term of popularity to, I guess, Jay Z or Eminen - or rappers even more famous in the US (with of course less global reach). He made duos with some other famous russian singers like Grigory Leps (who actually is georgian, and is the equivalent of say Springsteen in the US, or Johnny Halliday in France). If you want to mesh well with russian chicks, and not look like a total ignorant about Russia, I would suggest doing your homework for a bit more of cultural awereness/knowledge ... Russian women are suckers about their own culture (of course not just singers, but also classic or contemporary authors, poets, classic soviet movies, ect..) - and if cultural knowledge alone will not get you direct access to panties in the FSU, it moves you a step closer and allows for the possibility by separating you from a guy solely hungry for russian pussy.

I could give two flying fucks about Russian rap music and I certainly am not going to feign interest and supplicate myself to some chick because she may or may not like rap music. Women appreciate honesty and directness.

And it has been my experience that displaying your knowledge of any type to a chick to get in her panties is a ticket to the friend zone. The last thing you want to do is show off your knowledge.