Quote: (07-23-2018 07:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:
You either know how deal with Slavic girls or you don't. If you're American, you almost certainly don't and need to learn. You will be humbled and realize you're not as smart as you thought you were, but then you'll do okay. If you're Boomer Joe with dad jeans taking a trip to Kiev/Ukraine to find a wife, you will get eaten alive, no exceptions.
And yet still, Slavic experts get burned... http://www.rooshv.com/she-is-bitch
I read the linked post, and from what I can gather, apart from the fact that the situation has become very quickly worse, you are implying that there is always some sort of payment involved, whether implicit or explicit? And that the true quality not just in looks but in personality can only be found in FSU girls who don't necessarily
want to leave their home country, and prefer the familiarity of a native man, even if he is busted. I definitely observed this in Poland, and Luigi was right in that those more likely to go after foreigners are the worse kind, even if they look hot.
I have certainly found that out from posts about Ukrainian women, while Polish seem to be heading towards the "strong, independent woman" as they westernize, and they seem to be happy with their busted local polish boyfriends.
Assuming polish girls are out of the picture and classed more "west" than "east", why, then, stay in Ukraine or Russia at all? Why so much hype about these places? If the good women aren't particularly interested and/or have negative (sex tourist) assumptions about western men, then what is the point of going to a place where your only access lies with the "bad" ones, with a few exceptions? As you wrote in the story, there is a sense of
futility about many places that have been ruined by sex tourism. One year, girls love exotic foreigners. A mere five years later, the place is totally ruined by sex tourists and no matter what you do or say, the only way you're going to fuck her is if you pay for it. The romantic ideals of a slipping around in the winter in a 4th tier Russian city with a genuine, sweet Russian girl uncorrupted by foreigners seems to be slipping away ever more with smartphones and social media. That same girl that 5 years ago knew only a small number of people now has hundreds of offers including to be shat on from oil sheikhs, offers which can sometimes be too large to deny. Social media has just facilitated and drastically expanded what was happening in Latvia in your story. Luigi fucked a hot girl for an offer of 40 bucks, ended up giving her nothing. Now the local prices are much higher and internet prices can go into the medium-high five figure range depending on what the girl is willing to do.
I like to think I am stubborn as a motherfucker so if a Ukrainian/Russian girl tells me she wants this or that or just constantly asks me to comply with her requests my default is no, with a reasonable explanation as to why her request has been declined, if necessary. Part of me believes I can maintain that with the hardiest Ukrainians and Russians, but another part of me rightly considers whether my lizard brain might get the better of me due to their beauty.
Maybe one thing to address in your new "Game" book is how game differs between the countries, in 2018-2019, including the best way to go about getting good quality girls (looks and personality) in each of these harsh environments, explanations as to why to go in the first place (since losing all assets and mental hospitals seems to crop up quite often) etc.
I suggest this because the first "Bang" books imply almost that these places are not necessarily poosy paradises, but much easier than the USA. However I go to Poland for a few months and even there I find the eastern traditional provider relationship norms hard to come by. The only girls left available to me were crazy Ukrainian chicks and night club sluts. The girls I meet during the day are of higher quality, and are polite, warm and helpful, something that would be relatively rare in the USA, but girls like these almost always have local boyfriends and believe that they can "make it" in Poland. The Ukrainian chicks, by contrast, are fascinated by Greece, Italy, Spain, and get guys to take them on trips there. The Polish girls, while very warm, also had a sort of cold, almost
"fuck the west it's overrated, Poland is the best" nonchalance about them.
Is it the case, then, that we will always be forced to be accepted by girls who, like many Ukrainian girls, want to escape, or at least are curious about "better" countries, hence giving us foreigners better chances of banging them?
I guess what I am saying with reference to your new Game book is that these places seem so difficult, you pretty much need Russian, the cities are depressing as fuck, -- why go there? Superior quality in looks? Maybe. Personalities? In the girls that we can actually access? Debatable. There are upsides and downsides to each. When I got back to the US I was relieved to get back to dumb, laid back, easy american sluts.
A section on true FSU girls (Ukraine and Russia mainly), the different types, and how to handle each type, would be of huge value in your book, because I will admit I don't have a clue. That's knowledge I would not hesitate to pay for.
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