[WashedUPVet]

(07-22-2018 02:53 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

How do you pursue FSU women? Via daygame or nightgame or something else?

My LTR was social circle. Most girls I met were from the internet. I had very limited success with day and night game. I had very meager logistics as well as night classes which hurt my overall results. Having a hot 20 YO LTR also decreased my numbers and motivation. It still effects me today, both positively and negatively. The post EE hangover is real.

@OILBREH - You make some excellent points. I combed through your posts and not much on Russia given your good advice and language command. Come around this section more and share.

[Icarus]

(07-21-2018 04:51 PM)jasond Wrote:  

This is a country that has a systemic doping program for its athletes, hacks into other nation's computer networks to sway elections, invades other countries on false pretenses.

Says the American. What utter lack of self-awareness...

Yeah, I will deny myself the pleasure of appreciating Russian women's beauty because some athletes cheated (Lance Armstrong), some hackers hacked (NSA) and the country invaded other country on false pretenses (Iraq).

[NoMoreTO]

Interesting to hear the comment from OP that Russian women are the worst of the worst from the lawyers.

I had a lady masseuse who always repeated this, that the Russian woman is the most treacherous and dangerous. That they have 'ice cold hearts'.

They aren't my specialty, I would guess they just have more hot psychos, but probably lots of hot quality women too.

[The Lizard of Oz]

You should listen closely to what your lawyer and judge friends are saying; they are telling the truth. Many Russian women are scammers and quite a few are involved with low level criminality. This is true a thousandfold of Russian women who are younger, seem attractive judging by pictures, and are setting up meetings with older western men through online platforms. It's a very good bet that many of these will be scammers, and a few may be dangerous.

Russia -- especially the big cities -- is not a good place to look for women for a man who is not tough, experienced, and street smart. If, in addition, this man is someone who is a westerner and unfamiliar with the culture, on the older side, and has some money, then he makes the perfect mark and will be seen as easy prey. These women will have nothing but contempt for such a man and will think nothing of exploiting him in whatever way they can; and sometimes there are men behind the women who are far worse and more dangerous than the women themselves.

Of course all that is not true in every case and for every woman, but if you don't have the street smarts and experience, how will you know when to keep going and when to cut bait? The answer is that you won't and therefore it's better to try your luck in a gentler and more forgiving environment. Fucking a hot piece of pussy is a big deal (although it's also true as another poster noted that Russian women are often overrated and not all that they seem once the clothes come off) but it's never worth your life, limb, property, and peace of mind. Be prudent and proceed accordingly.

[oilbreh]

(07-22-2018 04:41 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 02:53 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

How do you pursue FSU women? Via daygame or nightgame or something else?

My LTR was social circle. Most girls I met were from the internet. I had very limited success with day and night game. I had very meager logistics as well as night classes which hurt my overall results. Having a hot 20 YO LTR also decreased my numbers and motivation. It still effects me today, both positively and negatively. The post EE hangover is real.

@OILBREH - You make some excellent points. I combed through your posts and not much on Russia given your good advice and language command. Come around this section more and share.

Thanks bud. I actually was in LA on a trip when your break up happened, not sure if you remember but we chatted on the phone for a bit. It was a short trip for me and you had your situation so we didn't get a chance to meet up.

One of the reasons I haven't posted much about is that I only recently took a few trips there to really have a firm grasp on the situation in modern russia. None of the stuff I post should be taken literally, its more a reflection on my circumstance and how I view the situation. Call it an oilbreh dear diary, distilled landscape of what I see.

Its also VERY hard to really post about all the nuances and things that might be going on that a foreigner might be blind to. I have women in my family I grew up with, plus extended family of all ages out in Russia itself; so I get to sort of see/get told the real deal compared to someone who just travels there for a few months and hits the night clubs.

The hard part is really distilling that info to something thats applicable across ages/cultures/forum guys/lurkers/goals etc. Thats why I kinda avoid posting on it because bad info worse than no info, and writing isn't my strength. Someone's goal might be just to go and party during world cup and try to get laid so why bother them with noise on how mean they can be?

[Deepdiver]

LOL, I once met a Russian professional woman in a high-end Boston watering hole - she was a marketing rep for a major Biotech in Boston - nice apt and of course leased a late model Mercedes. I asked her if I should bring over a Russian Woman... she in a cold matter of fact way said: "Why not you will get a least 2 good years out of her!" The time it takes for her to get her permanent residency Green Card using YOU as her Green Card mule just like this single Rooskie GCG Green Card Girl did - she got her Green Card and then her freedom and independence and then found and married a powerful and wealthy Corporate Lawyer... her hypergamy instincts on full display. Of course, she dumped her GCG mule man with no regrets. He was weak and she took advantage of his thirst and weakness.

The only regular working guys I know who had success with FSU (Russian/Ukrainian) women were self employed Men in their own businesses Alpha Types - who in their early 50's brought over single mothers typically with a 5 to 10 year old daughter and the Mothers - who are painfully aware that as a single Mother in Russia and or Ukraine they are already pumped and dumped and NO self-respecting Russian male is going to take responsibility for someone else's stray cum shots when he can easily get a young FSUW to worship him and give him his own kids. Harsh but a reality in the FSU.

The cunning Western Male who wants a loyal wife can capitalize on this - if you can put her into an upper-middle-class home in the USA with decent schools chances are she will be one of the actually grateful FSU women who will make your home cozy and ensure you rush home to the pleasures of her cooking and company (bedroom skills) at the end of every day. Most of these women also get decent paying jobs in the west or helped out in the man's business (bookkeeper, Web Marketing etc.)

Whereas the single FSU women brought to the USA by a typical Green Card Mule (You) almost all have hypergamy instincts that rule their every waking thought and if you are not the Penultimate Russian Style Alpha male - they will be socializing online and hanging in the best gold digging cocktail and martini bars until they find said Alpha. I have been dating FSU Women on and off since the late 90s in Metro Boston and that has been my experience.

They don't understand Americans living frugal and lowkey like a Mafioso in the shadows hiding his wealth from Tax Authorities or business rivals. I have done business in Moscow and I can tell stories that would rival a James Bond thriller combined with the latest Mission Impossible. Bottom line in Russia if you are a Smart Alpha male you are Rich and live like a Russian Rich Alpha as they barely pay 13% taxes there if that and almost all have Swiss Bank Accounts, City of London Offshore Holding Corps (Gibraltar, Isle of Man, Jersey etc.) and some Gold in Swiss vaults as a hedge against either USD, EURO or Rubles collapse like the Ruble did in the late 90s. This is known as Russian Rich. Basically all Russian new money nouveau-riche versus traditional frugal old money in the USA and this is likely the largest culture shock an FSU female Rooskie will have to deal with if you bring her to the west - and unless they are a single mother grateful to find a good family man to be loyal to they will succumb to the siren song of their core hypergamy and SMV especially if an 8, 9 or 10 on the SMV scale. But you are likely to get two decent years out of her as mentioned above - unless she is evil to the core and accuses you of domestic violence to get asylum and an accelerated Green Card - a method well known in the Rooskie GCG expat communities in the USA. Also, most of their expat friends will know Rooskie men and women who have earned serious coin through soft crime in the USA - Medicare billing excesses and upfront fee Oil Deal scams etc. etc. The ones that get a management or IT jobs in the USA tend to be the most reliable as they follow the corporate employment rules to keep their jobs.

I can pull this off but have to do it with hardcore Sicilian American Dread game and am too busy building my business while the sun shines under the Trump Money Bomb Boom we are in and there is a lot to be said about recent college grads in the USA looking for an established older man without the chasing notch counts drama they have to deal with younger men their own ages.

[reco2100]

(07-22-2018 05:35 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 04:51 PM)jasond Wrote:  

This is a country that has a systemic doping program for its athletes, hacks into other nation's computer networks to sway elections, invades other countries on false pretenses.

Says the American. What utter lack of self-awareness...

Yeah, I will deny myself the pleasure of appreciating Russian women's beauty because some athletes cheated (Lance Armstrong), some hackers hacked (NSA) and the country invaded other country on false pretenses (Iraq).

Haha I was going to say the same thing. Just Barry Bonds, US Government Hacking Allies in Europe, and probably a dozen other wars going on around the world.

[reco2100]

Well, once again there is some really good advice and from some folks who appear to have a lot of experience.

But I have to ask where in here did I ever indicate or say that I wanted to marry anyone Russian or otherwise. Let alone import them to the US. I was married already and I am not a big believer of it anymore. My plan is to maybe live abroad, and not in Russia or Ukraine. Maybe someplace like Prague or Tallin, or Puerto Rico or Medellin. And then run my business remotely

I appreciate the advice, but I have no illusions about marriage. Maybe they are too rough to deal with. I guess I will find out.

[seaofp]

I met a canadian guy in kiev once that had married & imported 3 EE girls (russian, belarus, ukraine) and they all had runaway after getting their canadian permanent residence........he was back in kiev looking for a 4th wife.

[Disco_Volante]

How do these women survive ditching their husbands in a new country after only 1-3 years? Without alimony I don't see how a girl with shit English could survive other than selling herself to old guys exactly like the one she just divorced. I don't see how that scheme plays out in their favor, they would have to find another daddy.

[superschalk]

(07-23-2018 01:35 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

How do these women survive ditching their husbands in a new country after only 1-3 years? Without alimony I don't see how a girl with shit English could survive other than selling herself to old guys exactly like the one she just divorced. I don't see how that scheme plays out in their favor, they would have to find another daddy.

You underestimate how smart Russian/Ukrainian girls are especially the ones who are going this route. It is absolutely possible to become fluent in English after one year if you a forced to communicate in English on a daily basis.

And then these girls capitalize on their beauty. They either find a younger better looking wealthy guy or they start working in an industry where beauty helps them. When I visited Miami two years ago I was in bar where a hot Russian girl was bartending. She was super flirty with the male guests and knew exactly how to threat them. All guys loved here and tipped here liked crazy. She must have made a fortune on tips alone.

[Beirut]

A lot of lebanese men have had successful marriages with russian women. Granted they studied there before and obviously the opportunities to run away here are much slimmer than the US. But still those women committed and are raising families here with those men.

Also something to keep in kind is that the sample of north american men who have married FSU women has a lot of total losers in it. The kind of men who go on those bride agency tours. I mean look at the guy super mentioned. Hes been fucked 3 times and hes going on a 4th. It might say somethinhr about the women but it also says something about the men who are doing it.

I guarantee that if u look at their premarriage relationship you would see all the signs there and the men just were too stupid. I think the kind of marriage where she was a perfect angel and suddenly showed her true colors will be far less than you assume.


Also a lot of men deceive as well, unknowingly. When shes in the FSU hes taking her to all the best restaurants, bringing her gifts every trip, going out enjoying their time. Shes living a baller life in her country with him. Then she marries him and goes to US and now the best restaurants are 10x more expensive and the guy is worried about his 401k and taxes and living a frugal life and saving for their family so shes basically at home now and shes thinking fuck that i couldve lived at home in the FSU thats not what i was promised.

[Tintin]

Russian women deserve to be deceived by Russian men. Yes, they promise them everything at the start, then he knocks her up, by the time she realises he's not the owner of the company that he works for, but the janitor. By that time too late, she's knocked up. That's why happens when you chase money, live by the sword....

[Icarus]

(07-23-2018 08:16 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

Russian women deserve to be deceived by Russian men.

Think of the children.

[Pointer]

I've been in contact with about 30+ Russian women (all travelers) in the past month and my experiences are not very positive.

All gave positive responses when messaging them and were down for meeting up. However, the flakiness is out of this world: they flake in the most disrespectful way possible, without giving you any notice or even a half-ass reason why they cannot show up. I hosted a few of them (for free) and they still expected me to pay for their shit. I had to kick out one of them because she was really getting on my nerves: they have mood swings, cheerful and slutty one day, cold fish and angry the next. Pump and dump seems to be the only viable strategy with these girls, it's not easy to meet them but once you do it's almost certain they will come to your place at the end of the night. Delete the number and don't agree to meet them again.
Imo young Russian girls are getting dangerously close to their Western sisters. There's a growing princess mentality and attention whoring among the young generation.

[Tintin]

(07-23-2018 08:41 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

I've been in contact with about 30+ Russian women (all travelers) in the past month and my experiences are not very positive.

All gave positive responses when messaging them and were down for meeting up. However, the flakiness is out of this world: they flake in the most disrespectful way possible, without giving you any notice or even a half-ass reason why they cannot show up. I hosted a few of them (for free) and they still expected me to pay for their shit. I had to kick out one of them because she was really getting on my nerves: they have mood swings, cheerful and slutty one day, cold fish and angry the next. Pump and dump seems to be the only viable strategy with these girls, it's not easy to meet them but once you do it's almost certain they will come to your place at the end of the night. Delete the number and don't agree to meet them again.
Imo young Russian girls are getting dangerously close to their Western sisters. There's a growing princess mentality and attention whoring among the young generation.

Of course they expect you to pay for other stuff, a free place to sleep is not hard to find for an attractive Russian woman. If you want be with one then you need to put your hand in your pocket, if you don't then they will simply find a better man for them.

But I agree with dangling the carrot until you fucked them, then dispose of them. Dog eat dog

[LowerCaseG]

I would just like to chime in that this is a great thread, and the type of content I come to this site for.

I will also say, from personal experience, if you are considering a latin american woman, it is entirely possible for them to come here and survive without learning english, or learning it very very slowly.

Also, from my own observations, medicare scamming, especially transportation, is a very commonplace activity for FSU immigrants. I obviously tried to be ignorant of as many details as possible. I don't have any experience with FSU women home or abroad, but the advice here sounds quite sharp.

[Icarus]

(07-23-2018 08:46 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

But I agree with dangling the carrot until you fucked them, then dispose of them. Dog eat dog

Someone got fucked over by a Russian chick and is still in the anger phase...

[Tintin]

Huh?

You clearly have little understanding of the Russian females, you're probably one of those soyboys who listens to their sobs about not be able to find a "real man", and about how their ex husband beat them up everyday.

[reco2100]

(07-23-2018 02:56 AM)Beirut Wrote:  

A lot of lebanese men have had successful marriages with russian women. Granted they studied there before and obviously the opportunities to run away here are much slimmer than the US. But still those women committed and are raising families here with those men.

Also something to keep in kind is that the sample of north american men who have married FSU women has a lot of total losers in it. The kind of men who go on those bride agency tours. I mean look at the guy super mentioned. Hes been fucked 3 times and hes going on a 4th. It might say somethinhr about the women but it also says something about the men who are doing it.

I guarantee that if u look at their premarriage relationship you would see all the signs there and the men just were too stupid. I think the kind of marriage where she was a perfect angel and suddenly showed her true colors will be far less than you assume.


Also a lot of men deceive as well, unknowingly. When shes in the FSU hes taking her to all the best restaurants, bringing her gifts every trip, going out enjoying their time. Shes living a baller life in her country with him. Then she marries him and goes to US and now the best restaurants are 10x more expensive and the guy is worried about his 401k and taxes and living a frugal life and saving for their family so shes basically at home now and shes thinking fuck that i couldve lived at home in the FSU thats not what i was promised.

I think there is a lot of gold in what you are saying here. It is hard to add to it. You cover the loser men side that often attracts a more aggressive type. They are on marriage sites and spending money on them and using the only thing they have which is to brag about their middle-class wealth that is more than what the girl has.

Then you couple that with of course the aggressive and predatory nature of the women on marriage sites and you have a really bad combination.

And of course, these guys not being self-aware, unable to get women in their own country is a big part of it. Awesome post.

There is like there is this assumption that if I can just lock down one of these desperate Rusian women and marry her and bring her to the states. Them I am set and I don't have to do anything else. But in reality, the game only really begins after he is married and he is the one locked down in our legal system. Another reason not to marry them or anyone else.

[reco2100]

(07-23-2018 08:41 AM)Pointer Wrote:  

I've been in contact with about 30+ Russian women (all travelers) in the past month and my experiences are not very positive.

All gave positive responses when messaging them and were down for meeting up. However, the flakiness is out of this world: they flake in the most disrespectful way possible, without giving you any notice or even a half-ass reason why they cannot show up. I hosted a few of them (for free) and they still expected me to pay for their shit. I had to kick out one of them because she was really getting on my nerves: they have mood swings, cheerful and slutty one day, cold fish and angry the next. Pump and dump seems to be the only viable strategy with these girls, it's not easy to meet them but once you do it's almost certain they will come to your place at the end of the night. Delete the number and don't agree to meet them again.
Imo young Russian girls are getting dangerously close to their Western sisters. There's a growing princess mentality and attention whoring among the young generation.

Pointer where were you meeting them and how were you meeting them? How old are you and what is your experience level gaming women? Just trying to get a feel for where you are coming from. Have you written them off completely?

[Icarus]

Russian women are not for beginners.

Most (all?) cautionary tales in this sobby thread are due to hubristic fools ignoring the above.

[BelyyTigr]

(07-21-2018 12:42 PM)reco2100 Wrote:  

My question is for the men on this forum who have some or a lot of experience with Russian women.

I am divorced and mid-fifties. I have gotten into game and have had some luck in the US but like many, I want to try my hand at FSU women. In fact, I have set up some meetings with a couple of beautiful younger women when I go to Moscow and Prague in about a month. And want to try gaming there also.

So I am in a meeting yesterday with two very experienced divorce attorneys. One is a former family court judge and mediator who has a combined experience in 25,000 divorce cases! The other is the best divorce attorney I have ever seen he has worked 2300 divorce cases and won almost all of them men or women clients.

So we are talking ant the judge knows I am recently divorced and he offers me some advice. He says unequivocally "whatever you do Reco stay away from Russian women" They are trouble and they will wreck your life. He has no idea of my interest in FSU women.

My first inclination was to say I am not planning to marry anyone Russian or otherwise. But I thought let me just ask him why? Remember this guy has worked 25,000 divorce cases, just imagine the carnage he has witnessed or been involved with.

So he says they are brought up in a criminal environment where if they can get away with it they will do it. And it will come to no good end. So I thought I would come to the source men that have experience in this area. What do you guys think? Are they too much trouble? Is it more trouble than it is worth? Am I thinking with my dick? (don't answer that last one)

Tom Torrero talks about the devastation of the FSU and how cold their culture is but he believes it is still worth it and is fascinated by the land and the incredibly beautiful women, and he keeps going back. I believe he was just there on a tour with Mystery.

Blackdragon absolutely says to not date Russian women he says it is too much trouble constantly looking for money, gold digging, demanding, princess behaviors. Holding out forever. What do you guys say?

I'm Russian on my father's side, but I'm British born and bred.
Treat a Russian woman (like ANY marketable) woman like wonderful fun today. Who will turn into the most twofaced cockroach tomorrow. If you have fun tomorrow then great, but prepare for the evil the next day.

I've had wonderful times with em. And I've found what utter vermin some are. "Sweet Orthodox girl" and all those marketing deceptions. But even after dating cockroaches from out East, Western women just seem boring in comparison.

There's a good side. Feminine (jeez I mean we talk like its a novelty these days!). Often cultured. Often ball-achingly, nonsensically hot. Downside, jawdroppingly two faced and snide. To a lesser extent, drunkenness and laziness, diva-ishness and princess behaviour can be a factor.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. Its a transaction of time, money, nerve and often eventually who can be the biggest liar. If you want "love", buy a dog.

PS why a Russian woman? Do you have any interest in Russian culture? Do you actively like or get fascinated by the Russian world? Or do you agree with American media about "evil Vladimir Putler"?
If Russia means nothing to you, you'd really be better off with another nationality.

[reco2100]

(07-21-2018 05:17 PM)jasond Wrote:  

If you have lots of time, you might also want to view this blog:

http://streetstories.co.uk/

A 50-something British guy living in Eastern Europe trying to date/marry a Russian women...all his successes and failures are documented here.

Jason

I got the guys book here already and I have been reading it. And I have been watching his youtube videos he published. A couple of things strike me. First, he is close to my age and not the least bit attractive. I would probably describe him as a little bit dumpy or frumpy, a little overweight and kind of long-winded. I would also say he is painfully honest and modest and a genuinely nice guy.

But still what fascinates me is that he is getting out on dates much younger women. He even admits he does not want to date early twenties and 18-year-olds. But sometimes he does. And he is having some success. And he is not even going for the fast lays he is trying to find a wife.

This tells me a couple of things. First, if he can do it I certainly can do it. I am doing pretty well in the US and getting better. Maybe going to mother Russia is not the answer but I do enjoy the culture, and I have met and dated Russian and Ukrainian, and Latvian and Lithuanian women in the US. And in my limited experience, they have been fabulous, beautiful and interesting and passionate. I do not believe all the anti-Russian propaganda in the US nor the Russian women are the best either.

I am going to give it a shot and see what happens. I will keep you guys updated on this thread if and when I can just to see what works for me and what does not and of course to seek advice.

Whats the weather like in Moscow in August? Do I need a jacket?

[sarcofago]

I have never been to Russia, but one good friend in Chicago, who brought a Russian bride back home, lost everything. I can't go into more detail on a public forum. Not only that, but that bride introduced her best friend to my friend's friend and that poor guy is now in a mental hospital.