[Tbone]

It's much easier to "justify" (I use justify very loosely) a war against a foreign country than it is to attack your own citizens in such an elaborate and malicious manner and successfully cover the whole thing up... with not one of the dozens to hundreds of people that would have to be involved being caught or blowing the whistle.

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 12:55 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 12:41 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

thinking the govt is gonna plan and kill thousands of innocent americans is just absurd.

What is war then?

im gonna assume you are talking about casualties....

not the same lol

[jariel]

(09-11-2011 01:30 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 12:55 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 12:41 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

thinking the govt is gonna plan and kill thousands of innocent americans is just absurd.

What is war then?

im gonna assume you are talking about casualties....

not the same lol

Nobody is saying anything here that can be construed as funny, yet you keep lol'ing like a little schoolgirl who just heard the word "penis" for the first time.

You can't make an argument that the concept of the U.S. government killing innocent Americans is absurd, but then say but sending young, innocent American men to die in pointless, and now often, illegal wars doesn't count.

I'm not the only one here who's mentioned the Gulf of Tonkin, which was a false flag incident that never even took place -- the CIA declassified that information 40+ years after the fact -- but was used to enter this country into the Vietnam War.

Nearly 60,000 Americans lost their lives in said war.

The people who run this country have no concern for American life, because at the end of the day it's not them. They don't care if your life, my life, or anyone else's life has to be sacrificed as long as their goals are achieved.

This all goes back to what I initially said which is some people really don't want to believe. They rather believe in the lie that their government loves and cares for them, so it doesn't matter how many examples are presented that demonstrate the contrary, they'll just "lol" away.

On another note, I'm not exactly surprised to see that proven playas like G and Roosh are well-read individuals who have their pulses on things other than chasing tail.

[jariel]

(09-11-2011 01:26 AM)Tbone Wrote:  

It's much easier to "justify" (I use justify very loosely) a war against a foreign country than it is to attack your own citizens in such an elaborate and malicious manner and successfully cover the whole thing up... with not one of the dozens to hundreds of people that would have to be involved being caught or blowing the whistle.

Just curious, how many people do you think it took to plan and carry out the assassination of JFK?

Whatever your answer is, then ask yourself given that I believe it took X number of people to be involved, why do we still not know the truth?

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 01:55 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 01:26 AM)Tbone Wrote:  

It's much easier to "justify" (I use justify very loosely) a war against a foreign country than it is to attack your own citizens in such an elaborate and malicious manner and successfully cover the whole thing up... with not one of the dozens to hundreds of people that would have to be involved being caught or blowing the whistle.

Just curious, how many people do you think it took to plan and carry out the assassination of JFK?

Whatever your answer is, then ask yourself given that I believe it took X number of people to be involved, why do we still not know the truth?

one person could have planned and killed JFK.

had it been much more i believe the someone would have let the cat out of the bag by now.

why do we still not know the truth?

that could be many reasons.

maybe we dont have conclusive evidence

maybe the killer never disclosed he killed JFK

[haywire]

(09-10-2011 11:11 PM)megaframe Wrote:  

Well, it's obvious that there wouldn't be a list of people who don't believe it, but the thing is that 1500 isn't a significant number if he's not comparing it to anything. What if there are, I don't know, 50,000 architects and engineers that don't believe it was an inside job. I don't know the actual numbers, but I'm sure there are vastly more than 1500 of them in the US alone. You can't just pull numbers out of anywhere you like and act as if they mean something.

In this case, determination of truth is not a democratic process but a scientific one which makes 1500 quite a significant number. When Einstein proposed Relativity, the ENTIRE scientific community at that time opposed him vehemently but in the end he was the one who prevailed only because what he was saying was TRUE.

[haywire]

(09-10-2011 08:06 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

You know, I never even thought of that. You're describing an evil that's almost unimaginable, which is probably why it's true.

Most likely, some ultra powerful oligarchs have used the American government for their own ends during the past decade to funnel America's wealth into their own pockets.

This explains why America's wealth is concentrated into the hands of .001%. The wars, the endless loans, the bailouts and money printing, etc.


If these people exist, and thinking about it, there's a 90% chance that they do, I still don't believe that these people orchestrated 9/11. Instead, they are the ones most responsible for funding, and continuing to fund, Al-Qaeda in some form or another.

These people wanted a terrorist attack to happen on America soil so they could goad the public to their own ends, but they probably never imagined how successful 9/11 would be.


Al-Qaeda isn't the real threat then. The traitors within America are. Looks like the situation is truly hopeless then.

Another major reason behind orchestrating this entire conspiracy and then the decade old war is the WEAPONS lobby.

Have you seen the movie Lord of War? If not, I'd highly highly recommend it. That movie was like the missing piece in the malice puzzle for me. After watching it, it all became clear to me as to why the world never stops fighting - if it did the weapon manufacturers would die of hunger.

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 01:52 AM)jariel Wrote:  

You can't make an argument that the concept of the U.S. government killing innocent Americans is absurd, but then say but sending young, innocent American men to die in pointless, and now often, illegal wars doesn't count.

We are not sending people to die first off. They are casualties of war. Use google if you dont understand what casualties are. Do u really think he govt sits around and says "hey, lets kill some of our soldiers this year. well mr president what war to do you wanna start to kill these lil bastards." i like how try to base ur opinion as fact in that the war is pointless. try telling that to all the oppressed iraqs that were celebrating in the streets after decades of oppression, genocide, and corruption. they will laugh at you in ur face. the only real question is should the United States be the one to serve out justice to people like Sadam.

I'm not the only one here who's mentioned the Gulf of Tonkin, which was a false flag incident that never even took place -- the CIA declassified that information 40+ years after the fact -- but was used to enter this country into the Vietnam War.

whether that took place or not is irrelevant. the US supported the democratic south and choose to help defend the south and battle the communist north.

The people who run this country have no concern for American life, because at the end of the day it's not them. They don't care if your life, my life, or anyone else's life has to be sacrificed as long as their goals are achieved.

do you have a mind reading device?!?!? if not ur just speculating.....

[thegmanifesto]

"The people who run this country have no concern for American life, because at the end of the day it's not them."

Exactly.

The biggest joke of all is that every war mongering Politician never served in the armed forces or saw combat.

This also goes for those weesh war mongering talking heads on Fox news.

Chicken Hawks all of them.

I have zero respect for those people. When it was their turn to fight, they ran like the heartless cowards that they are.

Now they talk tough. It makes me sick.

Dash -

"try telling that to all the oppressed iraqs that were celebrating in the streets after decades of oppression, genocide, and corruption."

I really hope you don't think that is the reason why we went to war.

The US doesn't care if a leader of a country gives his people "decades of oppression, genocide, and corruption.", as long as he is on our side.

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 02:38 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Dash -

"try telling that to all the oppressed iraqs that were celebrating in the streets after decades of oppression, genocide, and corruption."

I really hope you don't think that is the reason why we went to war.

The US doesn't care if a leader of a country gives his people "decades of oppression, genocide, and corruption.", as long as he is on our side.

I didnt say I believe thats the reason why we went to war.

i believe it was many factors that influenced why we went to war.

im simply pointed out the BLATANT stupidity of the poster saying the war is pointless. I love when people try to speak for everyone else, its amusing.

bottom line was justice was served.

that cant be denied.

the reasons behind the war and if it was worth it is a whole other discussion......

[jariel]

(09-11-2011 02:05 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

one person could have planned and killed JFK.

No, that's already been disproved because the gunshots were fired too closely together for there to have been one gunman.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations conceded that in 1979.

Next guess?

[Jim Kirk]

King Kill 33 - killing the King of Camelot.

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 02:44 AM)jariel Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 02:05 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

one person could have planned and killed JFK.

No, that's already been disproved because the gunshots were fired too closely together for there to have been one gunman.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations conceded that in 1979.

Next guess?

2 people

and......

[thegmanifesto]

"im simply pointed out the BLATANT stupidity of the poster saying the war is pointless."

You are right.

War is never "pointless".

It did bankrupt our country.

And caused the deaths of Americans that shouldn't have been killed.

But at least we freed those oppressed Iraqis, right?

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 02:49 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

"im simply pointed out the BLATANT stupidity of the poster saying the war is pointless."

You are right.

War is never "pointless".

It did bankrupt our country.

And caused the deaths of Americans that shouldn't have been killed.

But at least we freed those oppressed Iraqis, right?

Im sure there are / have been plenty of wars that have been pointless.

The Iraqi war was is not one of them.

Shouldnt have been killed? Says who?

Here again im not on here to speak for everyone and pretend as such.

The facts still remain.

Sadam was a brutal corrupt dictator that committed genocide and oppressed his own people.

He got brought to justice.

The whys and hows are all SPECULATION at best.

[jariel]

(09-11-2011 02:44 AM)Dash Global Wrote:  

im simply pointed out the BLATANT stupidity of the poster saying the war is pointless. I love when people try to speak for everyone else, its amusing.

bottom line was justice was served.

Public opinion is now that the war in Afghanistan is a pointless war.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/de-...t=hs&or=an

You're feelings about Iraq sound like what Fox and anybody else who supported the war wanted others to believe.

You clearly don't know the real deal. Saddam was a CIA asset during the Reagan years, they funded and armed Iraq to go to war with Iran. After the war Iraq was broke and owed the U.S. billions that couldn't be paid back, so he said fuck you. Then the Bush 41 adminstration used a Kuwaiti woman who was actually the daughter of a Kuwaiti Ambassador to tell lies before Congress of crimes against humanity the Iraqi army was committing in Kuwait.

The result?

Operation Desert Storm.

Even after that Saddam was still like fuck you. So years later, Bush 42 tries to do the job his father couldn't do, so we get Iraq has WMDs and ties to Al-Qaeda.

And you know the rest from there.

You haven't really presented yourself as an independent thinker who finds information for himself and comes to his own conclusion, you just take your programming and go about your day.

Stupidity is trying to box with Gods and not training first.

[thegmanifesto]

Dash -

"The Iraqi war was is not one of them. "

That is why you were one of the first ones fighting over there, right?

I see Republican congressman in your future.

"Sadam was a brutal corrupt dictator that committed genocide and oppressed his own people."

Good work.

You believe exactly what the government wants you to believe.

[Dash Global]

G,

So believe the genocide in Northern Iraq (Halabja & Anfal) against the Kurdish people was a fairy tale and never occurred?

btw im socially conservative and fiscally moderate. not sure what that would make me......

[Tony Snow25]

The reason for the Iraq war is for oil and and a way to make a few rich people more rich. It's funny when Dick Cheney was CEO of Haliburton the company received a multi billion dollar contract for the Iraq war. Saddam was a brutal dictator but he wasn't the only one in the world and there still is. My opinion is that most people do things for their benefit not out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Gmac]

(09-11-2011 05:23 AM)Tony Snow25 Wrote:  

The reason for the Iraq war is for oil and and a way to make a few rich people more rich. It's funny when Dick Cheney was CEO of Haliburton the company received a multi billion dollar contract for the Iraq war. Saddam was a brutal dictator but he wasn't the only one in the world and there still is. My opinion is that most people do things for their benefit not out of the goodness of their hearts.

You say this is such a matter of fact tone it annoys me. First of all, no one really knows the exact, true reasons (Yes, PLURAL) for starting the war aside from a select few decision makers. Yes, there were plenty of hidden agendas going on behind the scenes along with motive and opportunity, but that doesn't mean we have all the answers. Again, I'm sorry but it's just not that black and white of a world we live in.

[Dash Global]

(09-11-2011 07:09 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 05:23 AM)Tony Snow25 Wrote:  

The reason for the Iraq war is for oil and and a way to make a few rich people more rich. It's funny when Dick Cheney was CEO of Haliburton the company received a multi billion dollar contract for the Iraq war. Saddam was a brutal dictator but he wasn't the only one in the world and there still is. My opinion is that most people do things for their benefit not out of the goodness of their hearts.

You say this is such a matter of fact tone it annoys me. First of all, no one really knows the exact, true reasons (Yes, PLURAL) for starting the war aside from a select few decision makers. Yes, there were plenty of hidden agendas going on behind the scenes along with motive and opportunity, but that doesn't mean we have all the answers. Again, I'm sorry but it's just not that black and white of a world we live in.

im glad there is a few of us that realize this.

i thought i was the only one......

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

9/11 was a great tragedy, but imo an even greater tragedy was what followed it. There is so much that could and should have been done, and the opportunity to change direction was wasted, with nonsensical moves that destroyed the economy (deregulation and tax breaks, I'm looking at you) and an even more nonsensical attack on Iraq. If there was at least some reason, like oil, but there is not even that. In fact, USA is getting less oil from Iraq today than before the war. http://www.scottmanning.com/archives/how...omiraq.php

Thomas Friedman describes this well in his recent article: The Whole Truth, and Nothing But. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/opinio...g-but.html

"We used the cold war to reach the moon and spawn new industries. We used 9/11 to create better body scanners and more T.S.A. agents. It will be remembered as one of the greatest lost opportunities of any presidency — ever."

What truly makes me angry, however, is not the two things listed above, but conspiracy theorists and people who have no respect for the victims in their eternal quest for fame. As Roger Cohen said recently, "show me your 9/11 and I'll show you who you are", and the results are often dismal. I refuse to believe that there were any conspiracies and am more likely to attribute most of these things to just poor decision making.

I think the USA can still change direction to get out of this hole, but it is becoming harder every day.

[megaframe]

(09-11-2011 02:16 AM)haywire Wrote:  

In this case, determination of truth is not a democratic process but a scientific one which makes 1500 quite a significant number. When Einstein proposed Relativity, the ENTIRE scientific community at that time opposed him vehemently but in the end he was the one who prevailed only because what he was saying was TRUE.

First of all, yes, I know there are plenty of times in history when the minority was right. But how do you know that 1500 is a significant number? Because you say so? It's sure not a democratic process, but 1500 is just a handful compared to the rest out there, so I'd sure like to know what scientific process you used to conjure up the conclusion that it's true.

[Aliblahba]

I was on Carolina Beach working when 9/11 happened. Can't believe it's been 10 years. They had Dulles shut down yesterday which was a huge pain in the ass. I was there over 12 hours and got cut off in damn near every bar in the airport. The flight crew was pissed when they realized how drunk I was! Lol.

[thegmanifesto]

"btw im socially conservative and fiscally moderate. not sure what that would make me......"

Coupled with being Pro-War and never going to fight?

I am pretty sure that makes you George Bush.

I was wrong, president might be in your future.