[Geronimo]

[ANACONDA]

America has already killed thousands of people in afghanistan and iraq and now pakistan.....wtc shouldnt be bothered by any of them now.

revenge is over.

[Dash Global]

the thought of the govt being involved is absurd.

no way something that HUGE can stay hidden from the public. someone would blow the whistle, there would be a leak no question.

on top of that the backlash / punishment would be ASTRONOMICAL.

as in the RISKS far outweigh the REWARDS

** im not saying that they didnt have clues and handled it 100% correct, im just saying they didnt orchestrate this.

[Gmac]

(09-10-2011 04:17 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The building 7 conspiracy has been addressed by popular mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technolo...re/4278874

Also the building sustained heavy structural damage from the collapsing towers.

As for Silverstein's "pull it" comment, I think it's obvious that he meant that they need to pull the building given the level of damage it sustained. Which was a totally rational statement. Not "pull it" as in set off some pre-wired demolition bombs.

I find it interesting that people think the government is even competent enough to pull off such a massive conspiracy without it leaking out. Just sit and think about the pure logistics it would take to execute something of this magnitude and keep it secret(in the age of wikileaks), how many people would have to be involved from the government on down to workers in the WTC themselves turning a blind eye while demolition bombs are planted in the WTC7 and nobody find it. Nobody notices the building being rigged, and nobody leaks out any info.

Agreed. It's all speculation. Honestly I've tried to buy into some of the theories but in the end I find I cannot. Personally, I compare it to the kind of people who deny the moon landing or the holocaust ever happened... but that's just me. People are going to believe what they want to, I'm not out to change that.

[Roosh]

speakeasy: The collapse of WTC7 is even more shady with your picture. With the localized damage it sustained, it would topple over asymmetrically, not implode at equal rates of speed from all sides of the building.

For all those thinking that conspiracies can't be covered up, read the book Dark Alliance. That conspiracy, which went deep in several government agencies for nearly a decade, was covered up until one man brought it out. He was destroyed and then committed suicide.

Just because no one is telling you the truth, doesn't mean it can't be hidden.

[megaframe]

(09-09-2011 07:12 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The craziest thing of all is if you question anything about it you get branded as a "conspiracy theorist" at best.

Shouldn't we be allowed to ask questions?

I mean, it is not like it was something that wasn't a big deal.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions. But the "Truthers" do it too. Say you don't believe that the tower was rigged show some evidence, and next thing you know, everybody says you are ignorant and brainwashed by the government. Neither side is better or more moral than the other.

That being said, if the controlled demolition is true, I'd like to know how all those charges managed to survive 7 hours of continuous fires and detonate simultaneously.

roosh Wrote:

What still bothers me is how WTC7, which was not hit by a plane, flat-out collapsed from "fire". Are they any modern examples of a steel-framed, high-rise building collapsing from a fire? No.

No, because a building being on fire for 7 hours in this day is unheard of. There aren't any modern examples because it simply doesn't happen for that long.

[Smitty]

I have ZERO trust for any gov't, but there is a big difference between covering up a wide-scale mass muder (9/11) and underground drug running sponsored by a gov't to sponsor rebels (Dark Alliance). If the U.S. gov't were involved in 9/11, it surely would have been leaked by now. I've in/around gov't for too long to know that advance knowledge or involvement in something that large (murder of thousands of U.S. citizens) would NEVER be concealed from the public for too long before someone dropped the dime.

But, I remain skeptical of everything printed by the so-called free press, and don't believe much of anything put out by the government.

[Pete]

(09-10-2011 04:17 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The building 7 conspiracy has been addressed by popular mechanics: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technolo...re/4278874

Also the building sustained heavy structural damage from the collapsing towers.



As for Silverstein's "pull it" comment, I think it's obvious that he meant that they need to pull the building given the level of damage it sustained. Which was a totally rational statement. Not "pull it" as in set off some pre-wired demolition bombs.




I find it interesting that people think the government is even competent enough to pull off such a massive conspiracy without it leaking out. Just sit and think about the pure logistics it would take to execute something of this magnitude and keep it secret(in the age of wikileaks), how many people would have to be involved from the government on down to workers in the WTC themselves turning a blind eye while demolition bombs are planted in the WTC7 and nobody find it. Nobody notices the building being rigged, and nobody leaks out any info.

Really? Airplanes hit the building from floor 77 and up. Why where there damages at floor 18?

I've seen a few demolitions, and that's just what it looks like. If it had collapsed it would have fallen to one side or the other. It wouldn't have collapsed in a vacuum (in itself) as it did. I'm not saying I know *who* did it.

If it was like this, it would've been more credible. 'Cause I doubt the fire melted all the floors evenly.

[Roosh]

Poignant article in the Spiegel...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...05,00.html

[Samseau]

I never believed in any of the Loose Change stuff about 9/11 being an "inside job". Too far-fetched. But I don't believe that our government was completely in the dark, or did everything in their power to stop it.

The thing is, what kind of motives did the US government have? "We want to blow up the most expensive buildings in the USA so we can wage war all over the Middle East to buy some more oil"? That's just so ridiculous; the USA could just have BOUGHT some more oil from their tinpot dictators in Iraq or Iran or whoever they needed. Destroying the WTC for oil is too much of a cost, even if calculated.



I remember clearly the day 9/11 happened, however. Walking through my high school halls, and some burly kid was walking down the halls, speaking loudly, "We're going to war. We're going to war. We're going to war. We're going to war..." over and over again. I then walked into my C++ class to see on school TV: the towers on fire and then their collapse.

[Kish]

1500 Architects and Engineers have concluded that building 7 was a controlled demolition.

Most of the country doesn't believe the official story. So don't be afraid to speak out and question the govt. The "conspiracy theorists" are the majority not the minority.

1996 Movie: The Long Kiss Good Night

[jariel]

(09-10-2011 08:36 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

For all those thinking that conspiracies can't be covered up, read the book Dark Alliance. That conspiracy, which went deep in several government agencies for nearly a decade, was covered up until one man brought it out. He was destroyed and then committed suicide.

Just because no one is telling you the truth, doesn't mean it can't be hidden.

Most people don't want to believe, it's not that there isn't evidence to the contrary.

Is it a far-fetched concept that your government would kill 3,000 people in the manner in which 9/11 took place?

No, because they send their own people to die in pointless wars all the time, they don't really give a fuck about you.

As far as Gary Webb goes, this guy had just sold his house, and signed a lease at a new place. He was being followed regularly and began to fear for his life, he even shared those fears with people he was close to. Nothing in his life suggested he was a man on the verge of committing suicide.

He ended up with 2 shotgun blasts to his head. How do you commit suicide that way and get 2 shots off?

Look up Terrance Yeakey and Vince Foster.

These people commit murder like you pee in the morning: nonchalantly and religiously.

If you choose to not believe it, that's your choice, but what you believe and what is the truth don't always coincide.

[Roosh]

Quote:

That's just so ridiculous; the USA could just have BOUGHT some more oil from their tinpot dictators in Iraq or Iran or whoever they needed.

Having the ability to buy something is not the same as having your hands on the spigots. It's like being able to buy the television versus owning the factory that produces the television.

Oil is power. No amount of money can be placed on it by its incompetent leaders when you're trying to maintain power.

[Vicious]

The TSA took away my zippo when I went to Vegas. F**k you Osama! I'm glad you're dead!

[Samseau]

(09-10-2011 11:10 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

That's just so ridiculous; the USA could just have BOUGHT some more oil from their tinpot dictators in Iraq or Iran or whoever they needed.

Having the ability to buy something is not the same as having your hands on the spigots. It's like being able to buy the television versus owning the factory that produces the television.

Oil is power. No amount of money can be placed on it by its incompetent leaders when you're trying to maintain power.

But what are we doing with this power?

We have our hands on the oil spigots, and our nation is broke as fuck. What the hell was the plan? Take the oil so you can... go bankrupt???

If we were using this oil for strategic warfare purposes, we'd be making boatloads of $$$ from the conquered lands. Instead, we are spending money to rebuild Iraq! What kind of world domination plan is that?

[jariel]

(09-10-2011 10:34 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I never believed in any of the Loose Change stuff about 9/11 being an "inside job". Too far-fetched. But I don't believe that our government was completely in the dark, or did everything in their power to stop it.

The thing is, what kind of motives did the US government have? "We want to blow up the most expensive buildings in the USA so we can wage war all over the Middle East to buy some more oil"? That's just so ridiculous; the USA could just have BOUGHT some more oil from their tinpot dictators in Iraq or Iran or whoever they needed. Destroying the WTC for oil is too much of a cost, even if calculated.

Why was Hitler setting fire to his own buildings and blaming it on Poland?

Why was the Gulf of Tonkin staged?

Why was Pearl Harbor not prevented?

When people say things are too far-fetched, that means they haven't opened up their minds enough to examine anything other than what has been spoon-fed to them.

Critical thinking requires that one questions everything.

One of Roissy's maxims -- although it pertains to game, really pertains to life period -- is where there are incentives, there are lies.

The government doesn't want to tell you they wanted Gadhafi out so they could raid Libya's gold supply and oil resources, so they lie and say it's about democracy.

They don't want to tell you they funded Saddam, and then when he stopped playing along, they went after him, and lied about a WMD conspiracy.

They don't want to tell you they're in Afghanistan to guard the opium fields that Russia wants to burn -- as admitted by soldiers who were interviewed on national television -- so they lie, and say we're chasing Bin Laden, and now we've killed Bin Laden, even though he died 10 years ago.

Most of what you "know" comes from the mainstream media. It was established a long time ago, that there really is no such thing as an independent press. Journalists have been bought and paid for. Look up Operation Mockingbird. Government agencies regularly create news reports, articles, etc. and some tool just reports what they're told or takes their article and puts their name on it, and next thing you know it's on NBC News or front page of the Washington Post.

You are constantly being lied to, that's not far-fetched, that's just reality.

[Gmac]

I laugh I hear rednecks cry out, "WE SHOULDN'T BE RELYING ON FOREIGN OIL!"

The US is actually playing it smart, we're sitting on some of the largest untapped oil reserves in the world while using up the rest of the world's oil. When everyone else is tapped out, who are they going to turn to? You guessed it. If the guys in charge were smart, they'd start working on a legitimate alternative fuel backup plan for when there's no oil left at all. I'm thinking they aren't, but here's to wishful thinking.

[jariel]

More from the supposed next credible, but unconfirmed 9/11 attack:

Quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Al-Qaida may have sent American terrorists or men carrying U.S. travel documents to launch an attack on Washington or New York to coincide with memorials marking the 10th anniversary of 9/11, government officials say.

One U.S. official says al-Qaida dispatched three men, at least two of whom could be U.S. citizens, to detonate a car bomb in one of the cities. Should that mission prove impossible, the attackers have been told to simply cause as much destruction as they can. But U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence there is anyone inside the United States tied to the plot.

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-sources-2-terro...07669.html

[Roosh]

This was news the day before 9/11, never to be addressed again..

[Gmac]

You ever wonder what kinds of secrets someone might have gotten their hands on amidst the chaos during the attack inside the pentagon?

[bmn200]

(09-09-2011 06:20 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Does anyone here not believe the official story about 9/11?

I don't know what really happened but the official story reeks of bullshit and I don't buy it.
I felt this way even as the events were unfolding in real time.

[jariel]

(09-10-2011 08:51 AM)Smitty Wrote:  

I have ZERO trust for any gov't, but there is a big difference between covering up a wide-scale mass muder (9/11) and underground drug running sponsored by a gov't to sponsor rebels (Dark Alliance). If the U.S. gov't were involved in 9/11, it surely would have been leaked by now.

So it's not possible because information hasn't leaked?

This is the definition of rationalization.

The government has admitted that the murders of MLK and JFK were both conspiracies, or in other words, what really happened to them is different than the official stories.

However, there's never been a leak, that has told all. That doesn't change the truth, which is what you were told, and what actually happened are two different things.

A lot of people who are somehow involved in these stories end up murdered or are found to have committed suicide, in other words, they don't leave around people who can leak information.

You often don't realize it, because it's presented as Chandra Levy was murdered by some illegal immigrant while running in the park one morning, and it's left out that Chandra Levy was the friend of Susan Carlson, a journalist who reported she saw Tim McVeigh breathing after he was supposedly dead from lethal injection.

[Roosh]

I just watched a good documentary called The Falling Man about those who decided to jump out of the buildings. It centers around this photo:



Torrent link: http://btjunkie.org/torrent/9-11-The-Fal...847417889e

In the second half you learn about the tendency of Americans to deny death, instead focusing on "hero" scenes and images. Sad documentary overall. There's no "conspiracy" discussion in it.

[megaframe]

(09-10-2011 11:56 AM)jariel Wrote:  

The government has admitted that the murders of MLK and JFK were both conspiracies, or in other words, what really happened to them is different than the official stories.

Since when?

Quote:

1500 Architects and Engineers have concluded that building 7 was a controlled demolition.

What 1500 Architects and Engineers? I checked out their website, but I have not even come close to finding a list of names. Just because they give out numbers means nothing, and if you do not know who these people are, you cannot determine their credentials.

[thegmanifesto]

Sam -

"But what are we doing with this power?"

Its not about "we" meaning you and me. Never has been, never will be. There are many that have gotten more powerful.

"We have our hands on the oil spigots, and our nation is broke as fuck. What the hell was the plan? Take the oil so you can... go bankrupt???"

Follow the money. Many have gotten rich beyond their wildest dreams from all this.

"If we were using this oil for strategic warfare purposes, we'd be making boatloads of $$$ from the conquered lands. Instead, we are spending money to rebuild Iraq! What kind of world domination plan is that?"

Again, follow the money. People are getting rich off "rebuilding Iraq".

Unfortunately, it is not your average American.