[Mighty Mouse]

(09-12-2011 11:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 05:23 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Hitler was not a dictator, he was elected by the people.

Hitler was not elected. He was appointed to the position of Reich's chancelor by Reich's president von Hindenburg (on January 30th, 1933).

That was a legal act, at the time. However, he was appointed to this position, not elected by the people.

In the last free democratic election before the Nazis came to power, they achieved a total vote of 33 per cent. (This was in November 1932.)

The Nazis did not rise to power because of their own strength, but because of the permanent disagreement within their (German) enemies' camp (which would have been stronger than the Nazis, if unified).

Nope. Hitler's appointment as Chancellor was symbolic, it wasn't until the Nazi party itself gained power before Hitler could gain power.

The last free democratic election took place in 1933.

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Besides political campaigning, the NSDAP used paramilitary violence and spread of anti-communist propaganda on the days preceding the election. On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP increased its result to 43.9% of the vote, gaining the largest number of seats in parliament. However, Hitler's party failed to secure an absolute majority, thus again necessitating a coalition with the DNVP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle..._elections




And after Hitler was given supreme power,

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On 19 August, the merger of the presidency with the chancellorship was approved by a plebiscite with support from 84.6% of the electorate.

A vote was held to validate the decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle...ing_limits

Calling the March 1933 election (and everything thereafter) "free" and "democratic" is a joke.

It's an insult to all anti-Hitler-activists in Germany who already had been killed by the Nazis at this time.

The period after the Reichstagsbrand in late February 1933 was shaped by dayly brutal terror and repression against those who were opposing Hitler.

[Samseau]

(09-12-2011 01:52 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 11:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 05:23 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-11-2011 04:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Hitler was not a dictator, he was elected by the people.

Hitler was not elected. He was appointed to the position of Reich's chancelor by Reich's president von Hindenburg (on January 30th, 1933).

That was a legal act, at the time. However, he was appointed to this position, not elected by the people.

In the last free democratic election before the Nazis came to power, they achieved a total vote of 33 per cent. (This was in November 1932.)

The Nazis did not rise to power because of their own strength, but because of the permanent disagreement within their (German) enemies' camp (which would have been stronger than the Nazis, if unified).

Nope. Hitler's appointment as Chancellor was symbolic, it wasn't until the Nazi party itself gained power before Hitler could gain power.

The last free democratic election took place in 1933.

Quote:

Besides political campaigning, the NSDAP used paramilitary violence and spread of anti-communist propaganda on the days preceding the election. On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP increased its result to 43.9% of the vote, gaining the largest number of seats in parliament. However, Hitler's party failed to secure an absolute majority, thus again necessitating a coalition with the DNVP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle..._elections




And after Hitler was given supreme power,

Quote:

On 19 August, the merger of the presidency with the chancellorship was approved by a plebiscite with support from 84.6% of the electorate.

A vote was held to validate the decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitle...ing_limits

Calling the March 1933 election (and everything thereafter) "free" and "democratic" is a joke.

It's an insult to all anti-Hitler-activists in Germany who already had been killed by the Nazis at this time.

The period after the Reichstagsbrand in late February 1933 was shaped by dayly brutal terror and repression against those who were opposing Hitler.

Since you're German, it must be difficult for you to accept the truth. But the facts clearly indicate that enough Germans willingly accepted Hitler and it's message. They voted for him, and helped him to silence the minorities who opposed him.

Even though he didn't have a "majority", it didn't matter because those who ruled Wiemar before Hitler had fucked the country so badly that a group with just 40% of the vote could oppress the other groups who each only contained somewhere between 5-15% of the electorate.



But the entire point of bringing Germany into this discussion isn't to prove that the Germans are stupid (even though Schopenhauer claims they are).

It's to point out that a democratic nation can do awful things to its citizens and it's happened hundreds of times in the past, and there is nothing to prevent such situations from occurring in America.

[kimleebj]

I was there and saw (one of) the towers go down. You all believe those planes hit the WTC towers, right? Too many conspiracy nuts note something unusual (like a hijacker's passport being found in the wreckage (911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html), and then leap to stories that are inconsistent with other facts.

Politically inconvenient facts get downplayed.

1) Stories of emergency responders looting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/23/nyregi...oting.html
2) I could not hitch a ride and had to walk home in New Jersey.
3) Victims died at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania too.
4) The firefighters union was almost all white.

I also vaguely recall scrap metal from the site "disappearing", presumably stolen by organized crime.

[Mighty Mouse]

(09-12-2011 03:39 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Wiemar

Weimar

Believe what you want to believe in. But at least write the words correctly.

[Kaizen]

Noam chomsky's take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6...ata_player

[Vacancier Permanent]

(09-12-2011 05:18 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/forum.php...d78ac54acc

Afronoob,
This is a PHENOMENAL source of info! Big kudos for sharing that man. I won't get into the argument in here on 911 or political stuff as it's pointless to do it here as only few people have any clue as to what's going on. However, I'll just cross link to this: http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/showthrea...uke-on-911
Anyone wanting to have an idea of what's really going on and what are the parties behind what's shaping our world should carefully read the above. I won't say more on that topic.

[afronoob]

(09-12-2011 01:35 PM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 10:41 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 08:15 AM)Mighty Mouse Wrote:  

To afronoob:

Seriously, you don't know about the consequences of what you are saying.

You are playing with fire.

Since 1945 there has been no direct military conflict between major powers (except for the involvement of Chinese troops fighting against the USA in the Korean war.)

You - and we all - should be happy about that.

Spreading rumours like this is simply dangerous. What would have happened if 9-11 would have occured during the Cold War and the mavericks in US politics would have blamed the Soviets for that? And a large amount of the US population would have believed this?

I can tell you what would have happened: tens of millions of dead on both sides.

Before you spread such things, overthink the consequences twice.

By the way: "Jap" is a racist term.

No,mighty mouse-the truth is the truth.911 was a Eurorevanchist job. The French secret service was avenging the Concorde crash and Anglo hyperpower. The Germans had grievances from the aftermath WW2(do you know 5mn starved to death after the war?)the millions of Russians lost their life savings during the post commmunist privatisations;which ended up in New York,while the Japanese also had quite legitimate post WW2 grievances and economic issues.
2 days after 911,an airbus crashed into the Hudsom,killing all on board. When it was winched out onlookers saw the entire tail section had been clean cut. I can't find a link-I've spent over an hour. Also think back to this period-there were a number of copy cat crashes with smaller single engine jobs in Florida and Milan as a warning.

Simply wrong. Since I'm German myself and have very good historical knowledge, I would know this if a fact. Any quotes from serious sources to proof this?

Here is one of the American prison guards speaking:

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Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased away.

When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons" (foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an expression of helplessness.

The whole thing is quite distressing:
http://www.thenewsturmer.com/other%20int...prison.htm
Mightymouse this particular site is in German:
http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de
A Canuck author wrote about this,and of course establishment hacks lined up to piss on him:

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In Other Losses (1989), Bacque claimed that Allied Supreme Commander Dwight Eisenhower's policies caused the death of 790,000 German captives in internment camps through disease, starvation and cold from 1944 to 1949. In similar French camps some 250,000 more are said to have perished. The International Committee of the Red Cross was refused entry to the camps, Switzerland was deprived of its status as "protecting power" and POWs were reclassified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the Geneva Convention. Bacque argued that this alleged mass murder was a direct result of the policies of the western Allies, who, with the Soviets, ruled as the Military Occupation Government over partitioned Germany from May 1945 until 1949. He laid the blame on Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, saying Germans were kept on starvation rations even though there was enough food in the world to avert the lethal shortage in Germany in 1945-1946.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bacque
I finally found Joe Vialls original site and the American Airlines flight 587 airbus crash in the Hudson!!

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Look at the enlarged photograph very carefully. There are absolutely no dents, scratches, on the leading edge or on the panels. This proves the vertical stabilizer was not struck by any other object, in turn proving it was the first component to detach from the aircraft.

http://violetflame.biz.ly/joevialls/

[speakeasy]

(09-12-2011 09:12 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 05:18 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/forum.php...d78ac54acc

Afronoob,
This is a PHENOMENAL source of info! Big kudos for sharing that man. I won't get into the argument in here on 911 or political stuff as it's pointless to do it here as only few people have any clue as to what's going on. However, I'll just cross link to this: http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/showthrea...uke-on-911
Anyone wanting to have an idea of what's really going on and what are the parties behind what's shaping our world should carefully read the above. I won't say more on that topic.

I think I'd rather find a more objective source of information than David Duke.

[afronoob]

(09-12-2011 09:12 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 05:18 AM)afronoob Wrote:  

http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/forum.php...d78ac54acc

Afronoob,
This is a PHENOMENAL source of info! Big kudos for sharing that man. I won't get into the argument in here on 911 or political stuff as it's pointless to do it here as only few people have any clue as to what's going on. However, I'll just cross link to this: http://www.dockersunion.net/vb/showthrea...uke-on-911
Anyone wanting to have an idea of what's really going on and what are the parties behind what's shaping our world should carefully read the above. I won't say more on that topic.

Thanks, VP! Am like you- I don't argue;what for? Present the info and let people do what they will. I found Joe Vialls original Concorde crash writeup!

Quote:

The exact sequence of events after the disastrous sabotage of Concorde 4590 has been deliberately suppressed, but it is generally known that within 48 hours of the crash, the French, Russian, German and Japanese intelligence services had concluded it was no accident. It is also rumored [but cannot be confirmed] that six weeks later a discreet and informal strategy meeting was arranged at a Chateau outside Paris, attended by senior representatives of all four intelligence services. At that seminal meeting the culprit was confirmed, and a strategy devised for the future. Though these major powers could not stop America meddling in the affairs of minor nations like Serbia or Somalia, it [America] would be forcibly and punitively reminded that no further attacks, direct or indirect, overt or covert, would ever be tolerated against the major powers in future. The meeting lasted for five days, ending on 11 September 2000.

911 was the result.
http://web.archive.org/web/2008041621535...ncorde.htm