You know, for all my time lurking here on and off here for over five years now, I don't recall anyone calling out DL for Big Baller Trolling.
I'm really not a fan of the growing trend whereby witch hunts are started on members who refuse to meet other members -- there's many, many reasons that guys could legitimately not want to meet anybody.
That said: Dude has 61 rep points off 450 posts over 7 years. Most/all of them for alleged expertise on 'high-end nightlife' and 'lifestyle game'. Zero from meeting people, and only one from a guy saying 'This is what I do already and confirm it works.'
One must distinguish between rep points made for giving step-by-step breakdowns that people have gone and tried and found work, versus rep points given for claiming something works, but which is extremely hard to test and therefore remains merely plausible. (...versus rep points given for echoing one's existing opinions, or regurgitating Red Pill 101, or for posting funny GIF's, or ...)
This DL, RSD Luke 'high-end social circle/nightlife' stuff falls into the latter category. Pretty much nobody is going to end up having the combination of inclination, discipline, and means to pursue the level of social life that DL / RSD Luke are claiming. Even if somebody tried and failed, there can always be some reason to brush off their efforts:
PUA has a big problem with (and has for a very long time had issues with) guys who come up with whole edifices of plausible-sounding theory that is basically impossible to falsify, but this whole 'high-end social circle' gimmick is a particularly pernicious manifestation.
"You weren't going to the right parties brah."
"People picked up on the vibe you were
taking value, not
giving, brah." (Unfalsifiable.)
"You were in the wrong city."
etc.
As Skank says, and as
I noted as the final conclusion of my March post on the current state of (day)game (and many other things), it's important that we take what guys like DL say with a pinch of salt, lest they demoralize us -- even if their claims are true, they simply don't apply to any of their readers.
Look, I can very well conceive that what DL says could be true, at least in qualitative terms, even if it turned out to be exaggerated in magnitude 100x (which it might not be).
I'll buy him a drink and he can explain to me why I'm wrong if his Big Baller Lifestyle brings him through London -- which it assuredly would if true. I might be completely off-base and one of the veterans
who is also an actual, verified OG will check my ass and vouch for DL. In which case I'll be suitably humbled and will most certainly have egg on my face.
No hate here.
But that doesn't mean it's not Big Baller Trolling.
Big Baller Troll checkboxes that DL ticks:
- Extraordinary claims (threesomes, fucking more world-class-looks chicks than even numerically exist).
- Comes into random threads to shit on people keeping it real on that 'Na na you guys are losers I'm getting blown by an 11 as I'm typing.' ish. (Notice how he also rolled into ksbms's Praha thread to drive-by Big Baller Troll.)
- No in-person rep corroborating his claims to godhood.
- Never
BREAKS IT THE FUCK DOWN -- always keeps it tantalizingly vague so that you can't falsify his shit, but fools you into thinking he's giving specific, actionable advice.
Notice that even though those are defining Big Baller Troll behaviours, none of them actually imply falsehood.
The biggest red flag here is that he's selling the stuff he's trolling with -- he has a direct financial incentive to exaggerate (or completely fabricate) his lifestyle, and to avoid meeting anybody who could shed light on this exaggeration.
The more time I've spent floating around PUA sites / the manosphere, the more I've become suspicious when there's this kind of incentive structure. As the daygame community has shown with the vast majority of guys faking or misrepresenting in-fields: Pretty much everybody with a monetary (or even just status/insecurity) incentive is making shit up.
Dude is making more outlandish claims, with more of a monetary incentive, than NTP ever did. Sketchy as fuck.
Maybe in one of my long absences from lurking somebody vouched for DL. Or oppositely, maybe he already got called out as a BBT / probable fake, and I missed it, and he's just hanging around having narrowly avoided a ban.
It's a standard formula really: Target guys with a vulnerability/insecurity around getting laid (which PUA forums, and threads like this in particular, select for). Big Baller Troll them, but not too obviously. Make it look like you're providing actionable advice while actually being vague to encourage buying your unfalsifiable products.
I haven't had that vibe from DL in the past, but his recent posting is making it seem more likely.
I also can't help but note the irony in DL Big Baller Trolling daygame threads where we've mentioned vibe-tapping as rife in the game community.
Vibe-tapping a thread about vibe-tapping...
Notice how much of this could be thrown at a guy like Krauser. A key difference (other than the obvious one of him being vetted and meeting people) is (again as Skank noted) that he
BREAKS HIS SHIT DOWN.
I must admit some amount of exasperation that the Gman had/has so many haters and doubters, despite the fact that he was always having to call people out for not
BREAKING SHIT DOWN, and led by example on this. (Probably a big part of why he left the forum.)
Meanwhile I've never seen anybody call DL out.
I wonder if this is symptomatic of a deeper fission.
At the risk of begging the question, permit me to use 'pure game' to refer to the kind of playing field-levelling stuff that e.g. Mystery, Style, Roissy, Roosh have written about. Doesn't depend on specific material things, physical attributes, social circle, etc.
The old-school pure gamers were all about
BREAKING SHIT DOWN.
BREAKING SHIT DOWN is pretty much all they did.
Notice how
BREAKING SHIT DOWN is pretty much the opposite of what Big Baller Trolls and 'lifestyle gurus' do.
I see a direct correlation between the purity of game, and how much value the associated culture places on
BREAKING SHIT DOWN.
Nowadays I'm literally tempted to rep people just for making a single, actual 'pure game' post nowadays. The thirst for actual gamesmanship is real.
Make RVF
BREAKING SHIT DOWN again.