[Rawmeo]

I'm not a big fan of daygame, unless I see some IOI first. A girl / employee asking me questions that are outside the scope of the current transaction, a girl eye-raping me, etc. then I will go for the number. Works everytime.

The problem, as many members have put it, is spam approaches. Girls get the same feeling that you get when you open your mailbox and see 20 spam messages. If someone enters a mall and starts playing the numbers game and spamming everyone, I think security has grounds to ask him to leave. No matter how good your looks are and how your skills are sharp, I think that spam approaching serves no purpose, rather than annoying 9 girls and catching the attention of 1 or 2.

On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "warm approaching" when you already got eye contact / IOI from the girl before. It increases your chances of success, and is way more pleasant for everyone. If a guy can't get any IOI from a girl, there is deeper problem.

[Teedub]

Krakow is weird. I do terribly on Tinder, but in real life get more IOIs than anywhere else I've ever been. Probably my Mancunian swagger lol

[d_hzy]

(11-08-2016 12:45 PM)the high Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 05:54 AM)d_hzy Wrote:  

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtBTmi8...YGzc4ibRpw

Was watching those videos in Russian and it got me thinking. Maybe it's time to put in the extra effort to game chicks in their native language instead of English. I speak French and I know and have experienced the benefit of gaming French chicks in French.

When you speak English to the girls, you are talking to their brain. But when you speak their native language, you are talking to their heart. So true when you watch those Russian videos and see how girls would open up to you.

After watching several of these Russian PUA videos one could probably do a pretty good game analysis on these guys. Not only as it pertains to Russian girls but girls in general. They have several videos ranging from pure pickup to Vitaly-like prank pickup. One takeaway is that they are ridiculously persistent. They also use a lot of verbal game. I don't understand Russian but it almost seems Mystery-Method-esque.

I found this one particularly interesting. After putting the title through google translate the title came up as "Pickup girl unfaithful to her husband". In it the girl seems tentative but a little DTF and the guy seems to run some pretty good game. Can anyone of you Russian language experts give a synopsis of their conversation?

Yeah, a synopsis of the conversation would be dope.

In Moscow, the PUA dudes run some different games for sure. I remember Vinny has a sheet up comparing the differences between western game and russian game. No doubt that they are persistent, sometimes, even a little bit reckless I would say.

For example, when I was in Moscow, on one of the shopping streets, not even joking, I saw an ugly dude just went up to a girl from behind, lifted her up and carried her for a few meters. I was like WTF. Of course it didn't work. But this is just one example.

My point was that if you watch some videos, you will notice that girls' reactions are a lot different from approaches in English, in a good way. Those guys are native Russian speakers, of course some Russian language ability is not gonna do it. You will have to be able to crack jokes in that languages and understand what girls are saying, which takes a lot of work.

[The Beast1]

London

Two stories:

1. A dude was on the over ground going from girl to girl using hail mary game. Each girl saw him approach the last one. Complete failure.

2. Another group of two guys were mass approaching women in Trafalger square. I saw them go from one girl to another in the most blatent and obvious way. I said to him "Dude, you can't let each of your sets see each other. Give 'em some breathing room!"

[Rocha]

(11-08-2016 12:45 PM)the high Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 05:54 AM)d_hzy Wrote:  

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtBTmi8...YGzc4ibRpw

Was watching those videos in Russian and it got me thinking. Maybe it's time to put in the extra effort to game chicks in their native language instead of English. I speak French and I know and have experienced the benefit of gaming French chicks in French.

When you speak English to the girls, you are talking to their brain. But when you speak their native language, you are talking to their heart. So true when you watch those Russian videos and see how girls would open up to you.

After watching several of these Russian PUA videos one could probably do a pretty good game analysis on these guys. Not only as it pertains to Russian girls but girls in general. They have several videos ranging from pure pickup to Vitaly-like prank pickup. One takeaway is that they are ridiculously persistent. They also use a lot of verbal game. I don't understand Russian but it almost seems Mystery-Method-esque.

I found this one particularly interesting. After putting the title through google translate the title came up as "Pickup girl unfaithful to her husband". In it the girl seems tentative but a little DTF and the guy seems to run some pretty good game. Can anyone of you Russian language experts give a synopsis of their conversation?

Best part of the video is at 4:03 when big breasted hottie walks hand to hand with an old guy.

As for the "pickup", my Russian is not good enough to understand all of the interaction, specially the guy who speaks very fast. But he seems very faggot to me, also very rude with sexual talk right out of the bat.

[polar]

^^YouTube comments include:

"fake!!!" (with some disagreement)
"he's a total fag" (lots of these)
"fake, she's been in porn" (unconfirmed)

Loose translation:

A bit hard to make out the lines but one of his stacked openers (about one minute in, when they're standing still) = "I know is an odd question, but how would I know if I have an allergy to sex". Out of the blue. She just smiles it off and starts genuinely responding rather than walking off. He goes STRAIGHT to the number close with an excuse "I'm going to grab a bite them text you". Weak objections by her (I live with a man), he keeps on plowing. Weak responses by her ("you must do this all the time") and his tone is pretty off "trust me I don't...getting to know someone is much better than just sex" while she just smiles away... From there he gets weird with feeding her questions and goes into contrived cold reads and kino for which he really shouldn't have the comfort / compliance for. Straight into number close and saying I want mutual, genuine getting to know each other...false disqualify with "I won't keep texting you, I get enough female attention..."

bleh

verdict: fake

[AntiMediocrity]

Wouldn't be surprised if it was fake. At one point pickup videos were genuine, but someone discovered it's easier to fake it and everyone has been capitalising since.

It's only natural that a Russian Youtuber would emulate Western norms and fake their own videos for youtube dollars, the vastly superior currency that they are.

[crudeloyalist]

I'm going to speculate that the video is fake.

Based on the distance between the cameraman and the PUA/girl, it's unlikely the girl wouldn't notice someone pointing a camera at them. There are times when she almost faces the camera directly. The lens doesn't seem to have a particularly long zoom range, maybe a 24-70. This means the cameraman would have had to be standing fairly close.

Is she looking at the camera at 5:19? Why does the video conveniently cut a few times after this?

The video is still fun to watch nonetheless.

[dknightbro]

Don't know what the hate is with RSD spam approaching as it's leveled up my game in heaps

I still have pet shop + warm openers in my arsenal (used to do those exclusively), but nothing builds your ngaf attitude than RSD spam approaching

After you've opened what are traditionally considered hard sets, you really stop caring about people's reactions and can now just focus on calibration after opening

I've had plenty of success with ridiculous approaches that I find it hard to agree that a specific type of opener is better

As far as I'm concerned, calibration AFTER opening is what will help more than the initial opening

And that's what the game is about...adapting

[Rubin]

Honestly I don't really care too much. Just a natural development we supported. Every time you post on here, you gotta be aware of the lurkers, etc. Theres FAR more than we would think. Even if you have 1000 posts you are just a part of the horny 'pump n dump' swarm most puas are. Youve advertised the 'shangri la' locations yourself, and now you see the consequences of it. There is a strong resemblance to discovering an awesome band, supporting it until it sells out and puts out a lot of bullcrap most people dig these days (hipster phenomenon).

Im living in an overgamed city as well, pretty much the biggest lair in Germany as far as I know (Frankfurt > has between 5-35 mostly rsd inspired guys spam approaching every day on the main street) and have been to a few others in EE as well. Pickup became a trend that is growing extremely fast, and i am very certain that this will change things for the worse in general. Even some German bodybuilding/fitness channels are starting with PU.

Heres probably some self help advice for the current situation:

1. Be good looking, creative and unique!
Its sad but looks do indeed matter A LOT now. If youre not blessed with the 7-10 look then you should at least be very distinct and specific with the stuff you wear, do and say.
51% cool dont cut it anymore, you have to think of ways of getting into the true 10% elite, many dudes complain about.
You have to remember that a big amount of most 'puas' are full time chodes, with an average look, average rsd game, average everything! So be outstanding. Social circle will get more important in overgamed cities, as well as new game methods (mostly hobbies/activities with a lot of girls around).

Lifestyle design is major key to getting laid in a stiff culture, which is the natural result of a lot of daygaming. Dont be average PUA level, get a celebrity-like vibe, meaning exotic interests that stand out from the average zara leather jacket dude. Daygame oversaturation will only ruin it for average dudes. A good looking, well calibrated dude can get away with basically everything, even if his intent is completely obvious.

2. Dont share your secrets with everyone!
Ok i get it... You are a mid 40s balding incel, no lifestyle design will fix your busted out look, and now as your only secret to getting laid is being overused by a horde of younger uncalibrated aspies your options are getting less! Annoying isnt it?
So guess what? There are still many good spots, not many dudes talk about here and you gotta discover them yourself. After you found them, only share them with people you trust!


3. Be suave!
As mentioned before you just need to get away from the gamy vibe and find less crowded places, approach in everyday situations instead of lurking around on the main square of an EE 1st tier of your choice like a god damn cockroach. As long as you have the right vibe you will always get prospects.

4. STAY IN ONE CITY!
You will set yourself apart from the RSD sex tourists really really fast, and you will find hidden goldmines, a niece, etc. where you can slay stunners (exists in EVERY place).

5. Dont be a part of the problem!
If you complain about pickup, then dont turn into a scared defensive douche (afraid that other puas will ruin your chances) who still remains within his old patterns and his old peacocking outfit, instead start looking for something more serious with quality girls. Being in a ltr, or being more selective can be really nurturing, both for yourself and for society. Half a year of a solid ltr will remove almost all of your creepy indirect petshop pua vibe, and will give you time to work on the other points, to potentially slay some new prospects afterwards.



All in all I can say that this PUA epidemic does indeed ruin it for bad-average looking guys with zero creativity, but i am sure that many cool guys will still find a thousand ways of getting laid. Be innovative instead of restrictive, and know where you are in life. Sadly its a lot about the packaging nowadays, so learn how to market yourself even in a short conversation without coming off creepy.

[Constitution45]

(11-08-2016 01:16 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

I'm not a big fan of daygame, unless I see some IOI first. A girl / employee asking me questions that are outside the scope of the current transaction, a girl eye-raping me, etc. then I will go for the number. Works everytime.

The problem, as many members have put it, is spam approaches. Girls get the same feeling that you get when you open your mailbox and see 20 spam messages. If someone enters a mall and starts playing the numbers game and spamming everyone, I think security has grounds to ask him to leave. No matter how good your looks are and how your skills are sharp, I think that spam approaching serves no purpose, rather than annoying 9 girls and catching the attention of 1 or 2.

On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "warm approaching" when you already got eye contact / IOI from the girl before. It increases your chances of success, and is way more pleasant for everyone. If a guy can't get any IOI from a girl, there is deeper problem.

I concur, I usually avoid day game and for reasons that go beyond approach anxiety or whatever it is called nowadays. But it all comes down to environment, somewhere like Belgrade in a hot summer or these tourist towns down the coast of Italy are ideal for approaching women. It's a romantic location, easy going vibe and local culture.

However if you are approaching girls in London it is completely different. The city is grey and dirty, people are always on the way to work and culturally its seen as a strange thing to do. Of course the tourist spots in Central London are different but the majority of the city is a no go for that sort of thing. The men I know who do day game in places like London are usually tough and enjoy confrontation because thats usually what they get.

[Malo]

Spam approaches or even more targeted but scripted approaches (e.g. Krauser) don't work for most people because they're too disingenuous.

I'm not saying tyler or krauser don't get laid, I'm saying that more moderate people will have a hard time implementing these methods successfully.

You'd probably want to try be yourself more, as corny as that sounds, but "be very willing to adjust to what the field shows you works better for you here and now". And willing to try to overcome your anxieties, laziness etc.

It keeps you more atuned to the environment and to yourself, hence you're less prone to becoming "a part of the problem", i.e. not being atuned to neither and therefore looking like a daygame aspie.

[Teedub]

(11-14-2016 08:49 PM)Constitution45 Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 01:16 PM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

I'm not a big fan of daygame, unless I see some IOI first. A girl / employee asking me questions that are outside the scope of the current transaction, a girl eye-raping me, etc. then I will go for the number. Works everytime.

The problem, as many members have put it, is spam approaches. Girls get the same feeling that you get when you open your mailbox and see 20 spam messages. If someone enters a mall and starts playing the numbers game and spamming everyone, I think security has grounds to ask him to leave. No matter how good your looks are and how your skills are sharp, I think that spam approaching serves no purpose, rather than annoying 9 girls and catching the attention of 1 or 2.

On the other hand, I'm all in favor of "warm approaching" when you already got eye contact / IOI from the girl before. It increases your chances of success, and is way more pleasant for everyone. If a guy can't get any IOI from a girl, there is deeper problem.

I concur, I usually avoid day game and for reasons that go beyond approach anxiety or whatever it is called nowadays. But it all comes down to environment, somewhere like Belgrade in a hot summer or these tourist towns down the coast of Italy are ideal for approaching women. It's a romantic location, easy going vibe and local culture.

However if you are approaching girls in London it is completely different. The city is grey and dirty, people are always on the way to work and culturally its seen as a strange thing to do. Of course the tourist spots in Central London are different but the majority of the city is a no go for that sort of thing. The men I know who do day game in places like London are usually tough and enjoy confrontation because thats usually what they get.

That's why my mate (member of this forum) always says that British cities are night and day when it comes to summer versus well..pretty much every other season! Doing a cold-approach, or even a warm one (she's given you a look beforehand), in anywhere outside of London is still a massive, massive novelty to a girl in those places.

I disagree about Italy if you're talking Italian girls..fucking solid to penetrate the social circle boundaries they have.

[elRey]

People are losing their heads here. Fucking hell. Very little has changed. Hear me out.

You know how you get used to avoiding ads on your phone or on websites and it becomes automatic? Same thing. These girls are just developing trigger responses to reject thirsty, seedy American guys in leather jackets opening them cold on the street.

Also, the reputation of foreign guys might change a little bit.

But the girls haven't changed. They still want cock. They still want a quality dude. They are still generally receptive to meeting new guys.

As always, people develop resistance mechanisms to cold approaches of any kind. Ads, cold calls, flyers in the letterbox, charity workers, beggars etc. etc. This is because all of these things are blatant attempts at trying to extract something out of you.

Unless the value to you of the exchange is immediately obvious, you're going to ignore the cold approach. For example, a ridiculously good looking dude going up to an ugly chick will always yield results.

The solution, as always, is to warm up the approach somehow. This applies in business as it does to girls. If a sales prospect is comfortable and the approach is natural, then things can proceed as normal.

Making a passing comment to a girl sitting next to you will always be in style. A bit of cheeky banter with your female barista will rarely be rejected outright. Getting some solid eye contact and then being in a convenient position to say hi to a girl, and having some good excuse to talk to her is good too.

The only real strength in stone cold approaches is that you can play the numbers game hard. Besides that, the warmer the approach is, the better. The problem is that usually requires time to warm up the girl or being in that position narrows your prospects down.

I can't believe guys are going around saying: "Oh yeah, Poland is fucked, you can't meet girls there anymore."

Idiots. Honestly.

A country cannot be ruined by a few chumps running around looking for the nearest pet shop.

[dknightbro]

(11-18-2016 07:57 PM)elRey Wrote:  

A country cannot be ruined by a few chumps running around looking for the nearest pet shop.

lol quote worthy

[Nowak]

(11-18-2016 07:57 PM)elRey Wrote:  

People are losing their heads here. Fucking hell. Very little has changed. Hear me out.

You know how you get used to avoiding ads on your phone or on websites and it becomes automatic? Same thing. These girls are just developing trigger responses to reject thirsty, seedy American guys in leather jackets opening them cold on the street.

Also, the reputation of foreign guys might change a little bit.

But the girls haven't changed. They still want cock. They still want a quality dude. They are still generally receptive to meeting new guys.

As always, people develop resistance mechanisms to cold approaches of any kind. Ads, cold calls, flyers in the letterbox, charity workers, beggars etc. etc. This is because all of these things are blatant attempts at trying to extract something out of you.

Unless the value to you of the exchange is immediately obvious, you're going to ignore the cold approach. For example, a ridiculously good looking dude going up to an ugly chick will always yield results.

The solution, as always, is to warm up the approach somehow. This applies in business as it does to girls. If a sales prospect is comfortable and the approach is natural, then things can proceed as normal.

Making a passing comment to a girl sitting next to you will always be in style. A bit of cheeky banter with your female barista will rarely be rejected outright. Getting some solid eye contact and then being in a convenient position to say hi to a girl, and having some good excuse to talk to her is good too.

The only real strength in stone cold approaches is that you can play the numbers game hard. Besides that, the warmer the approach is, the better. The problem is that usually requires time to warm up the girl or being in that position narrows your prospects down.

I can't believe guys are going around saying: "Oh yeah, Poland is fucked, you can't meet girls there anymore."

Idiots. Honestly.

A country cannot be ruined by a few chumps running around looking for the nearest pet shop.

Too be fair out of all Eastern European nations ,PL would be the absolute last to be completely ruined ,they are horny and there are options for all ,

[MrRemi]

My girl told me she got approached twice in one day on a short trip to Amsterdam. Always the same line "I just saw you, you look cute/cool/whatever, I had to come over to say hi". She also told me that same happened to her in a 2nd tier city in France where she lived.

[Giacomo Casanova]

Nowak, PL is absolutely the most saturated EE country in terms of spam approaches...you can see it daily in the malls if you are a resident.

[262]

^ Note that this guy, as far as I know, has never admitted to actually doing day game himself.

I'm also sure his continual complaining about Poland is actually about Krakow or Wroclaw (which foreign PUAs frequent). Why he's still there, or even in Poland, after at least a year of complaining on this forum, I don't know.

Maybe he's like the other guy who always complained about Poland - just to keep other guys away from a place he actually liked: thread-32570.html

[Giacomo Casanova]

This is a shared vision, if you talk with long term foreigners around. I continue repeating that only people living here are able to see the degeneration in the last two years. Many foreigner/newbies/tourists are happy to be treated politely and therefore flaked. By the way, there are several forum members I have met (last was UkraineHunter) that saw me in action, for day game. And everyone agree that places like Hungary and Ukraine are a lot more effective.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

"I just saw you, you look cute/cool/whatever, I had to come over to say hi".

That or some variation of it is really the only honest thing you can say to a girl when you approach her on the street so it's not surprising girls hear it a lot.

[NewMeta]

Not sure how to weigh in on this, on the one hand I do see lots of PUAs at certain times in Wroclaw, especially if its one of those bootcamps. A forum member who recently came over even got the response "RSD fuck off" from a daygame approach he didnt even get a chance to get anything beyond an opener in, we laughed it off anyway. Would be funny how she knew about them had I not seen a Street Attraction coach basically explain what was going on to one of the girls his student approached a couple of months back.

On the other hand daygame clearly works here, my current girlfriend is as good as it gets for me and I met her through that, you have to wade through a lot of shit and I also live here which is a good advantage but I think its worth it if you got your shit together. If it was as infested as other cities like Prague and Frankfurt I think it would change my mind though, in the peak of bootcamp sessions, I certainly always think the worst of things.

[churros]

(11-22-2016 10:46 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

"RSD fuck off"

Such an amazing burn.

[262]

(11-22-2016 10:46 AM)NewMeta Wrote:  

Not sure how to weigh in on this, on the one hand I do see lots of PUAs at certain times in Wroclaw, especially if its one of those bootcamps. A forum member who recently came over even got the response "RSD fuck off" from a daygame approach he didnt even get a chance to get anything beyond an opener in, we laughed it off anyway. Would be funny how she knew about them had I not seen a Street Attraction coach basically explain what was going on to one of the girls his student approached a couple of months back.

On the other hand daygame clearly works here, my current girlfriend is as good as it gets for me and I met her through that, you have to wade through a lot of shit and I also live here which is a good advantage but I think its worth it if you got your shit together. If it was as infested as other cities like Prague and Frankfurt I think it would change my mind though, in the peak of bootcamp sessions, I certainly always think the worst of things.

Agree with the above. That's the kind of balanced opinion that's realistic about a place.

I too met my current Polish girlfriend through daygame - about a year ago here in Trojmiasto. Plenty of flaky girls along the way.

Is Poland getting worse as time goes on? Likely, but name a place that isn't.

What matters is how places are relative to each other, now and going forward. Fixating on the past is a waste of time. As is complaining about your current place but never leaving it.

[Giacomo Casanova]

262, if you are in a LTR for one year, as you admit, you are probably unaware about what's happening around...who practises game regularly is instead directly involved in the dynamics and is observing the variation of the situation in Poland
And I again repeat that being and living in country doesn't depend exclusively by the girls, but also opportunities of business, quality/cost of life, immigration, etc.