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On a recent television programme, Shinzo Abe was asked about one of Japan’s most politically delicate topics: immigration. Given that the population is shrinking and fewer than 2 per cent of residents are foreign, was it time for the country to throw open its doors?
The prime minister’s answer could hardly have been clearer – or more disheartening for advocates of a radical new embrace of outsiders.
This was because Abe got straight to reality:
“In countries that have accepted immigration, there has been a lot of friction, a lot of unhappiness both for the newcomers and the people who already lived there,” he told the audience, as he held up a white signboard marked with a red “x” to underscore his negative position on the issue.
Quote: (11-19-2014 07:36 PM)MidWest Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 07:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:
MidWest obviously falls into this camp as a leftist Mexican who is much more interested in flooding the United States with people who look like him than he is in preserving and respecting its laws.
Right, whatever you say man!
Let's try to discuss this without low-key attacking somebody personally, shall we? That will go a long way.
Quote: (11-20-2014 12:18 AM)Matt Forney Wrote:
A lot of people have been pushing the argument that "Latinos will assimilate just like the Irish and Italians did!" and "America has taken in immigrants before and things turned out just fine!"
Allow me to advance a radical counter-argument: maybe the Irish, Italian and other immigrant groups shouldn't have been allowed to come here either.
The history of how European Catholic immigrants---and their political handlers---made America poorer and more corrupt in the 1800's has been completely erased from common knowledge. For example, everyone knows Tammany Hall as the corrupt Democratic political machine that ran New York (city and state) from the 1850's up to the Great Depression. What you don't know is that Tammany Hall maintained power through buying the votes of immigrants and white ethnics (Irish, Italians, Poles etc.) through patronage, graft and gimmedats. Sound familiar? Pretty much every other major Northern city (Chicago, Boston etc.) was controlled by machines who played the exact same game.
Tammany Hall was swept from power in the 1930's only because Fiorello LaGuardia, Thomas Dewey and other Republicans forged an electoral alliance with the crypto-communist American Labor Party, since there weren't enough Republicans in NYC to win on their own. Let me repeat that: a Democratic political machine powered by immigrant and ethnic votes was so powerful that the GOP had to ally with COMMUNISTS to get them out of office. Additionally, the anti-Tammany Republicans were supported by FDR; even the national Democrats had gotten sick of Tammany's antics. I'd argue that the immigration reforms passed in the 1920's also helped crush ethnic political machines by drying up their supply of potential votes and forcing the remaining ethnics to assimilate.
Not only that, as Jim Goad wrote in The Redneck Manifesto, corporations have been using immigrants to drive down wages and dilute the power of organized labor since the 19th century. During the Industrial Revolution, coal-mining companies, railroads and other corporations promoted immigration as a way to break the power of unions and ensure themselves a never-ending supply of scabs who would work for next to nothing.
Labor is a commodity, and like all commodities, it's subject to the law of supply and demand. By flooding the country with immigrants (workers), the price of labor (wages) goes down and vice versa. Labor laws and minimum wages can mitigate this somewhat, but there's no escaping the basic laws of economics. This is why in places where labor is scarce, such as North Dakota and Alaska, wages are higher than the national average. This is why unions such as the AFL-CIO used to viciously oppose immigration.
I imagine most of the pro-amnesty/pro-immigrant folks here are of a leftist bent, meaning you support unions, workers' rights and a higher minimum wage. Agitating for workers' rights while supporting adding 20 million workers to the labor pool is like trying to heal a broken leg by shooting yourself in the head. Every amnesty/immigration proponent is a tool for increased corporate power and wealth inequality, and most of them don't even know it.
The Ellis Island mythology is just that: a lie. Your "legal" immigrant ancestors came here for exactly one reason: to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Immigration restriction in the 1920's was part of what made the "American Dream" and the middle-class prosperity of the post-World War II era possible. If corporations get their way (and thanks to the idiocy of the modern left, they will), your children will be just as poor and living in just as much squalor as the ethnics of the Gilded Age.
Viva la Estados Unidos de America!
Quote: (11-20-2014 03:27 AM)Arminius Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 07:36 PM)MidWest Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 07:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:
MidWest obviously falls into this camp as a leftist Mexican who is much more interested in flooding the United States with people who look like him than he is in preserving and respecting its laws.
Right, whatever you say man!
Let's try to discuss this without low-key attacking somebody personally, shall we? That will go a long way.
Why don't you attempt a rebuttal of what he said instead of posting gifs?
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Are you not a person of Mexican descent who is politically left of center?
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By supporting a unilateral, unconstitutional action by the president are you not making it abundantly clear that you do not give a shit about preserving and protecting this country's laws?
Quote: (11-19-2014 10:17 PM)MidWest Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 09:05 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:
If enough Mexicans come maybe Americans might finally learn something about how to keeping their intransigent, cunty women in check. Because those dudes don't fuck around with bitches who can't cook, attention-whore with hand-written signs on Twitter, or come at them with "snarky" mouths, feminist bullshit, or "open relationships." Last time I heard, there was no hint of a "campus rape crisis" and "affirmative consent" in Mexico. That noise would disappear right quick.
If that's the case, I'm all for it. I'd like to see these bitches kicked back into submission with one of those Norteño boots.
One of my Mexican friends sent me this shit, with a translation, a while back:
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Long Live the Wetbacks
By Los Tigres del Norte (the Tigers of the North)
Because we are the wetbacks
the law is always looking for us
because we are illegal
and we don't speak English
the stubborn gringo throws us out
and we come back
If they throw one out through Laredo,
ten come in through Mexicali
If they throw one out through Tijuana
Six come in through Nogales
Just go ahead and take account
of how many of us enter every month
Our problem is easy to fix
Just give us a white girl,
so we can get married
and as soon as we get that card
go ahead and get divorced
When the wetback
goes on strike to never return
who will pick the onion,
lettuce or beets?
The lemon and the grapefruit
will all go bad.
All these nightclubs,
will all get closed
Because if the wetback leaves
who will come to dance?
And besides four white guys
no one will be able to console them
Long live all of the wetbacks
the ones about to emigrate
the ones that go on vacation
and the ones that are just passing through
and the ones who are going to marry
to make arrangements.
Haha, this is the funniest post i've seeing in a while. I just can't stop laughing. Funny thing is that I actually have an uncle who married a white girl and then got divorced just for the green card.
That was hilarious.
Quote: (11-20-2014 03:37 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:
I'm surprised no one seems to discuss the real issue- it is already far, far too late.
Mexicans aren't the worst people to be invaded by anyway. I lived in California and Mexicans seems really nice for the most part. and I worked in prisons and even the Mexican criminals to the small degree I understand mostly prey on each other.
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On my first full day in Los Angeles,
my first impression was a Sears on Santa Monica and Western
which I would come to refer to as "third world Sears."
There were hordes of people stampeding throughout the place,
and clothing strewn about everywhere, with reckless disregard
for the generally accepted and often excessively anal standards
of your average department store. This is not your average
department store, but as the US continues its transition toward
becoming a third world country, where such refugee camp swap meets represent normalcy, it soon may be. I wasn't thinking about that, though. All I could think of was that at one time it must have been a wonderful store, and anyone involved in the building of the building
or who had worked there in it's heyday would be appalled and saddened
at the looted corpse of an establishment it had become.
More comically, there is a place on Sunset called "The All American
Burger," where there literally did not appear to be one American working there.
Quote: (11-19-2014 08:37 PM)WD-40 Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 08:07 PM)scorpion Wrote:.
There is simply no way to defend what Obama is doing as being in any way, shape or form in the best interests of the citizens of the United States. It's pure destruction.
OK, let me put it to you this way:
Do you think that deporting U.S. citizens to foreign soil just because they are minors and their parents happen to be illegal aliens is OK?
How can it possibly be in the best interests of citizens of the United States to allow fellow citizens to be deported?
Quote: (11-19-2014 11:39 PM)DChambers Wrote:
The President has to all effects declared war upon the Congress of the United States. He has taken upon himself the powers of a king, and the mantle of a tyrant. The President cannot legally override any law or part of a law that has been legally made. His powers are Constitutionally restricted to Executing laws. Executive orders are meant only to affect the executive branch of government and assist in carrying out his Constitutional duties.
The great argument of the President's supporters is that Bush Jr. and many other Presidents have expanded the powers of their office . That may be so, and if those tyrants were afflicting the nation today I would speak against them with the same righteous fury I do against the current. None of the Presidents before now have acted with such disdain for the Congress, or so obviously disregarded the Constitution. Some will say Regan offered amnesty, but he did only with regards to a law passed by Congress.
It is the Duty of Congress to hold this President accountable for his crimes against the nation. Were they worthy of their positions they would declare the President an Enemy of the United States and raise the legions against him as the Roman Senate did of old against Caesar. But our representatives seem to be made of far weaker mettle than the Ciceros' and Brutiis' of old.
Quote: (11-20-2014 02:41 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:
I have two thoughts on this.
The first is that the very people who will get completely screwed by this -- low wage workers of all colours, but especially blacks, and (white) tech workers -- will be those most fervently defending this. Why? Because the rank and file on the right oppose it. Everyone will line up tribally, and so the left will line up against their own interests just because. As Tuthmosis pointed out, it's a brilliant divide and conquer strategy.
The second thought is that I wonder who this benefits, besides the political and business interests within the US. Matt Forney (I think it was) mentioned that China and others must be laughing their arses off as the US repeatedly hits the self-destruct button. I'd also be very interested to see, over the next five to ten years, the US emigration numbers. My guess is that Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Chile, Uruguay and maybe some others will be huge beneficiaries of all of this as the skilled/entrepreneurial middle class (whites) of the US engage in the ultimate (white) flight. Some of these countries (e.g. Chile) are actively trying to poach the cream of the US through incentive programmes for entrepreneurs. Likewise, I would not be surprised at all to see much of Silicon Valley decamp to Singapore within a generation. Of course, there will still be a Silicon Valley, but as it gets increasingly buddy-buddy with big government and attracts a lot of people looking for what they perceive to be a/the safe life in the US, it will become increasingly sclerotic and the real action and innovation will occur somewhere else.
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Quote: (11-19-2014 07:15 PM)Chapped3rdEye Wrote:
Most people don't understand this, but illegals who make it to the US interior and don't get arrested for something are very rarely deported. Something like 10,000 a year are deported out of a population of 10+mil. The biggest change Obama is proposing is probably the additional 500,000 high-tech work visas. That's what Mark Zuckerberg and the other Silicon Valley immigration supporters have been after. They want cheaper programmers. Anyway, this is the endgame we're moving toward:
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Thomas Chittum's "Civil War II" is not for the weak minded or squemish. Chittum, a retired special forces veteran and freedom fighter, paints a horrfiying, but probable future for the United States as a nation state.
Chittum starts out by asking the reader to figure out which "tier" you belong to in the new order. If you are a member of the white working class you will immediatly understand what Chittum means. The "International Bureaucratic Elite" are the ones destroying America and creating an empire for their own purposes,power and greed. To do this the white working class must be degraded to third class citizens. This will be done through "racist affimative action",politcal correctness, and outright tyranny. Since whites are the economic and racial backbone of America, they must go.
Chittum further relates how illegal immigration, racial politics, and cowardly and devious politicians , are exploiting the ethnic tensions already present from "multiculturalism" The Mexican "reconquista" of the American Southwest is happening at lightning speed and within 20 years whites will no longer be the majority in those states. A revolution in Mexico is predicted within 15-20 years which will be a spark for a "Aztlan republic" and outright secession. Along with this will come a brutal race war between whites and blacks in the America south.
Chittum draws a map of new America showing the probable breakdown of the new ethnic nations: the Northwest and Midwest a white European nation, the South a black one, and the Southwest hispanic. He also describes how black and hispanic street gangs( the Gangster Disciples of Chicago 50,000 strong) will be the new ethnic militias along with white militias forming for self defense. He reccomends white Americans, when the time comes, form Committees of Correspondence with other white communities for self-defense and cooperation. He also advises any whites living in the South or Southwest to get their affairs in order and move out the Northwest before the shooting starts.
If this books sounds pessimistic, it is. It is also a warning to America and the International Elite who are creating the conditions for this race war: affirmative action, racial politics, blatant discrimination against the majority whites,
destruction of the white working class, gun control, and the feudalisation of society through ethnic "tiering" and annhilation of the Bill of Rights. Chittum predicts this to begin about 2020 or so. He believes ethnic riots in Los Angeles or a city with a large black population during the summer will be the spark. The USA will degenerate into anarchy shortly after this as the Federal government seeks to regain order. Not a pretty picture.
This book is a warning, so prepare yourself.
Quote: (11-20-2014 08:20 AM)Libertas Wrote:
Quote: (11-19-2014 11:39 PM)DChambers Wrote:
The President has to all effects declared war upon the Congress of the United States. He has taken upon himself the powers of a king, and the mantle of a tyrant. The President cannot legally override any law or part of a law that has been legally made. His powers are Constitutionally restricted to Executing laws. Executive orders are meant only to affect the executive branch of government and assist in carrying out his Constitutional duties.
The great argument of the President's supporters is that Bush Jr. and many other Presidents have expanded the powers of their office . That may be so, and if those tyrants were afflicting the nation today I would speak against them with the same righteous fury I do against the current. None of the Presidents before now have acted with such disdain for the Congress, or so obviously disregarded the Constitution. Some will say Regan offered amnesty, but he did only with regards to a law passed by Congress.
It is the Duty of Congress to hold this President accountable for his crimes against the nation. Were they worthy of their positions they would declare the President an Enemy of the United States and raise the legions against him as the Roman Senate did of old against Caesar. But our representatives seem to be made of far weaker mettle than the Ciceros' and Brutiis' of old.
I'm also reminded of Charles I's spats with the English Parliament. He couldn't negotiate, didn't know how to turn popular or parliamentary opinion to his favor, and dissolved the people's parliament, raising taxes without the consent of parliament (like the infamous ship money), and essentially sidelining and alienating much of his natural support base.
When he needed to finally call a parliament again in 1640 to deal with troubles in Scotland and Ireland, unsurprisingly he found himself facing anger. He didn't know how to deal with it, considering such opposition an assault on his person and even attempted to arrest MPs that disagreed with him on charges of treason.
The gauntlet was thrown and parliament raised an army to defend itself against the king and prevent such abuses of power. It went completely haywire of course, but the principle began with good intentions.
Obama in some ways reminds me of Charles I. He's narcissistic and does not know how to negotiate. For all the talk of people like Reagan and Clinton (who himself had a lot of trouble with congress), they were still likeable people that were able to negotiate. I have never seen a president in recent times show such open, Charles I-like contempt for congress as I have seen this one show.
He at least attempted to do the right thing and pass a law before, but now suddenly the mid terms don't go his way and he can't deal with it?
We must remember that the 1986 amnesty was at least passed in pursuant to an act of congress. This executive order is unilateral and arbitrary. Obama can basically declare a de facto amnesty by refusing to enforce laws, but I have no idea where he gets the power to suddenly declare 5 million people legal by his own decree.
This is a very blatant insult and assault on congress, but we know they won't do anything. They won't be like the Long Parliament was in 1642. Obama will bullshit something from his team of lawyers, the GOP will balk and whine but ultimately do nothing, and the same corporate interests that control both of them will be served, and yet another shot at the Constitution will have successfully been fired.
Same old story, same old song and dance.
Quote: (11-20-2014 02:54 AM)Deluge Wrote:
Quote: (11-20-2014 02:41 AM)Feisbook Control Wrote:
Matt Forney (I think it was) mentioned that China and others must be laughing their arses off as the US repeatedly hits the self-destruct button.
China is doing the same now, they've started bringing in workers from Africa to manufacturing cities like Guangzhou to try and boost their shrinking workforce.
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