[speakeasy]

The whole Republican response to this is laughable. Talk of impeachment and all this phoney outrage. Bush had 8 years in office. He had a Republican congress the entire time. What the fuck did they do about illegal immigration in all that time? They didn't do jack shit. But now all of a sudden they are the party of fighting illegal immigration. It's no different then how liberals cried bloody murder about infringements on civil liberties by W after 2001, then quickly shut the fuck up when Obama took over and continued it. If it was a Republican president granting amnesty by executive order, these congressional Republicans would not be talking about impeachment. They'd be defending it.

Politics are a joke.

[speakeasy]

(11-20-2014 02:18 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

Glenn Beck predicts a race war

Ferguson decision + Executive Order on Immigration in the same week, could get ugly.

Lol, a race war my ass. Americans are so fat and lazy and complacent they can barely get off the couch to change the TV channel. Like hell they are going to start fighting a race war. This is the last country on earth I expect a another civil war. Most Americans are just comfortable enough to not complain, and there's too much cheap entertainment, shopping, iphones, starbucks, netflix, games to keep people distracted. Every time there is some ground swell such as Occupy Wall Street, it quickly fizzles out.

Glenn Beck might be better off making war on his double-chin.

(11-20-2014 01:02 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ Exactly how much easier would it be if we only had half the population to have a nice home in a nice neighborhood.

Here is a recent example my friend is a manager and makes roughly $85k I guess. He has been making decent wages for years. He is spendthrift and drives an old beat up car.

His parents had to help him lop $200k on a 3BR $600k condo.

Him doing this independently would be a pipe dream. If he wanted to 2 kids how cramped and expensive it would be is excessive. He is the right natural age to start thinking about kids. Not happening for at least 5-10 years and he is a complete beta settle down type. Since it's creepy to mac chicks 10-15 years younger his wife would be mid 30s when they have the money ready.

Another friend is 32 has to live in buttfuck nowheresville and commute an hour to support his wife and 2 kids. He made the natural choice to have kids in his late 20s but financially and logistically he fucked himself for doing a natural thing.

Dude, homes in Pacific Palisades were going for $70,000 in the 1960s. Now the average home there is a couple million. We also have to remember that in addition to inflation and population growth, women flooding the workplace drove up prices for everything basically meaning that it was no longer a luxury to have a second income household but a necessity.

[MidWest]

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What the fuck did they do about illegal immigration in all that time? They didn't do jack shit. But now all of a sudden they are the party of fighting illegal immigration.

Politics are a joke.

Funny how politics works. George W. Bush in 2006 actually tried to put forward a bill on immigration reform in response to all the marches. Guess who blocked him then? Democrats, after taking the congress in 06. Democrats did not want to give Bush and the Republican party any leeway with Hispanic voters. This is just a struggle to see who can win the Hispanic vote.

[TheWastelander]

(11-20-2014 02:53 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What the fuck did they do about illegal immigration in all that time? They didn't do jack shit. But now all of a sudden they are the party of fighting illegal immigration.

Politics are a joke.

Funny how politics works. George W. Bush in 2006 actually tried to put forward a bill on immigration reform in response to all the marches. Guess who blocked him then? Democrats, after taking the congress in 06. Democrats did not want to give Bush and the Republican party any leeway with Hispanic voters. This is just a struggle to see who can win the Hispanic vote.

Massive outrage from conservatives was the primary reason why the Republican amnesty lovers in Congress failed.

In the real world this is more or less what happened:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...-and-over/

Quote:

* 2004-2007: You could say that talk radio killed President Bush's attempts at immigration reform. He hoped to appeal to both business owners and Hispanic voters with a comprehensive overhaul, but he was stymied by his own party.

Bush began pushing for a guest worker program in 2004. An early attempt by Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) died a quick death, in part because of election year politics. But even the prospect of reform stirred up a backlash from conservatives, in particular Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.). Tancredo appeared on talk radio constantly warning of the dangers posed by illegal immigration.

Bush allies attempted to fight back with a corporate-funded PR campaign, but business leaders wouldn't donate, concerned that conservatives would pressure Bush into signing something that actually made it harder to hire from overseas. In fact, then-Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) pushed for an enforcement-only approach. The comprehensive bill introduced by Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2005 could not be reconciled with a tough enforcement-only House version that sparked protests.

Bush tried again in 2007, crafting a compromise that allowed a path to legal status for current immigrants and a new temporary worker program, contingent on stricter border security and employer crackdowns. The legislation resembled a conservative approach offered by Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) in 2005.

"We misread" the situation, said Frank Sharry of America's Voice. Advocates thought that with Democrats in control of Congress, Bush would try a moderate approach again and succeed. Instead, "Republicans were beginning what we might call the advent of the tea party -- they started to lurch to the right, they wanted to give Bush a bloody nose, the conservative media mobilized."

The AFL-CIO turned against the legislation over the guest-worker program. (The Service Employees International Union, with its many immigrant members, supported it). But despite the legislation's more conservative tilt, the talk radio blitz continued. Ultimately conservative Republicans, along with several pro-labor Democrats, opposed the legislation and it died in the Senate.

Democrats played a very small role.

[speakeasy]

(11-20-2014 04:25 AM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 03:37 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm surprised no one seems to discuss the real issue- it is already far, far too late.
Mexicans aren't the worst people to be invaded by anyway. I lived in California and Mexicans seems really nice for the most part. and I worked in prisons and even the Mexican criminals to the small degree I understand mostly prey on each other.

I have to disagree with this. I live in Phoenix and used to live in Los Angeles.
There is nothing more depressing to me than seeing once great neighborhoods deteriorate into third world scumtowns.

Here is a photo of Maryvale developer “John F Long” with Ronald Reagan in 1958, selling new homes to World War II veterans who were lined up for blocks.



50 years later, Maryvale is a total shithole, one of the highest crime areas in Phoenix. Aside from the occasional meth addict, almost every car theft, robbery, rape and shooting in Phoenix is committed by an illegal immigrant or one of their zillion teenage offspring gangsters(the american born children of illegals are considered "citizens.")

On my experience living in Los Angeles nearly 20 years ago, I wrote this(which later appeared in a longish piece I wrote called "Scumtown" for a self published book of poetry and essays)

Quote:

On my first full day in Los Angeles,
my first impression was a Sears on Santa Monica and Western
which I would come to refer to as "third world Sears."
There were hordes of people stampeding throughout the place,
and clothing strewn about everywhere, with reckless disregard
for the generally accepted and often excessively anal standards
of your average department store. This is not your average
department store, but as the US continues its transition toward
becoming a third world country, where such refugee camp swap meets represent normalcy, it soon may be. I wasn't thinking about that, though. All I could think of was that at one time it must have been a wonderful store, and anyone involved in the building of the building
or who had worked there in it's heyday would be appalled and saddened
at the looted corpse of an establishment it had become.
More comically, there is a place on Sunset called "The All American
Burger," where there literally did not appear to be one American working there.

I thought about that Sears a lot. It was a beautiful old building in the heart of the city. I thought about how proud the people must have been the day they finished building it. I went there to buy some jeans thinking it was going to be a normal department store, but when I walked in, there piles of clothing and products literally everywhere. You couldn't even walk through the place....just a total disaster and it was as if the employees and the swarms of Spanish speaking customers were completely oblivious to it, like it was a standard for an establishment that they were just fine with. I was somewhat against it before then, but that was my red pill moment on immigration.. where I just said to myself "hell no, I'm not down with this."

Most people think of California as liberal, but Southern California was once a bastion of Barry Goldwater conservatism, and look at it now? Look at Anaheim, where Disneyland is. It's garbageville. Same with the high desert, the San Fernando Valley, Riverside, I could go on and on.

Here is the telling Urban Dictionary entry for Pomona, CA:

Pomona:
a ghetto ass place, where it use to be such a popular and lovely place. it was an attraction for stars, but not anymore.. now its an attraction for the cholos and shit. its mostly hispanics, some blacks and cambos, and fewww whites.
aye foo, where'd my homie go?

he went to some kickback in pomona.

That's the new California. If you're super rich you can live in one of the pockets of gated communities and price out the riff raff and isolate yourself from the richness of mass immigration...for a while, until they vote away enough of your money or the public schools become so ghetto that you decide to move.

We don't need to import millions of impoverished people from ragtag third world countries. We have all that we need and then some.

Los Angeles is quite an interesting place. I don't think there's anywhere in the world where we've witnessed such a rapid demographic sweep.

LA in the 50s:

LA now:

I left LA about a year ago and while I'll always have a certain nostalgia for California since it's my home and where I grew up, I think the place has long been on the slide and unless you are rich or well-connected out there, a solid middle class lifestyle is becoming out of reach as the explosion of poor immigrants has priced even middle income neighborhoods into the stratosphere.

[MidWest]

(11-20-2014 03:13 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:53 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What the fuck did they do about illegal immigration in all that time? They didn't do jack shit. But now all of a sudden they are the party of fighting illegal immigration.

Politics are a joke.

Funny how politics works. George W. Bush in 2006 actually tried to put forward a bill on immigration reform in response to all the marches. Guess who blocked him then? Democrats, after taking the congress in 06. Democrats did not want to give Bush and the Republican party any leeway with Hispanic voters. This is just a struggle to see who can win the Hispanic vote.

Massive outrage from conservatives was the primary reason why the Republican amnesty lovers in Congress failed.



Democrats played a very small role.

True, but it was a combination of both parties of the senate who didn't want it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/2...3820070629

Quote:

Only 33 Democrats, 12 Republicans and one independent voted to advance the bill, while 15 Democrats joined 37 Republicans and one independent to block it.

Five of the six senators running for president voted in favor of the overhaul: Republican John McCain and Democrats Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Christopher Dodd and Joe Biden.

Not all Democrats were in favor of the bill either, in fact 15 of them joined 37 Republicans to block it.

My point is that Bush tried to pass it but failed miserably and just put his hands up and passed it on to the next president as he describes in his book "Decision Points".

[MidWest]

(11-20-2014 03:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

LA Now:

That can't possibly be downtown LA. More like a street in East LA somewhere or in a Hispanic neighborhood which is not entirely representative of the entire city.

On another note, this sounds horrible coming from me, but those are some of the ugliest group of Mexicans i've ever seen. Seriously I live in Chicago where there are loads of Mexicans, and i've lived in Texas as well and they don't look nothing like the ones in that video. Are those even Mexicans?

[speakeasy]

(11-20-2014 04:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 03:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

LA Now:

That can't possibly be downtown LA. More like a street in East LA somewhere or in a Hispanic neighborhood which is not entirely representative of the entire city.

On another note, this sounds horrible coming from me, but those are some of the ugliest group of Mexicans i've ever seen. Seriously I live in Chicago where there are loads of Mexicans, and i've lived in Texas as well and they don't look nothing like the ones in that video. Are those even Mexicans?

That's Broadway Blvd in downtown LA, which is the main commercial drag of downtown. It's currently undergoing a gentrification. But this is pretty representative of what you'll see in Broadway during the day. Obviously it's not representative of West Hollywood or any Santa Monica but wide swaths of the city are predominately poor Hispanics like in this video.

Ironically, I'd rather live in Monterrey or Guadalajara than in a future Los Angeles that looks entirely like this. At least the girls would be hotter and you could actually afford property there.

[Tuthmosis]

(11-20-2014 03:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

LA in the 50s:

That's a very selective look at Los Angeles's past.

This was also LA during its hey-day:

[Brian Shima]

Zoot Suit Riots wow! I know someone whose uncle was involved in that, you will never hear about that in school

[Easy E]

Obama is a God.

Why are all you putting him down?

[speakeasy]

@Tuth, I know, but I was trying to find vintage footage of Broadway in DTLA and that's the closest thing I could find to compare it to contemporary Broadway and show the demographic change.

@Brian Shima, I learned about the Zoot Suit riots in High School, but students outside of California will likely never hear of them.

[Brian Shima]

Speak Easy cool I wasn't aware that it was taught over there

[Sturmgeist]

(11-20-2014 03:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 04:25 AM)Badamson Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 03:37 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

I'm surprised no one seems to discuss the real issue- it is already far, far too late.
Mexicans aren't the worst people to be invaded by anyway. I lived in California and Mexicans seems really nice for the most part. and I worked in prisons and even the Mexican criminals to the small degree I understand mostly prey on each other.

I have to disagree with this. I live in Phoenix and used to live in Los Angeles.
There is nothing more depressing to me than seeing once great neighborhoods deteriorate into third world scumtowns.

Here is a photo of Maryvale developer “John F Long” with Ronald Reagan in 1958, selling new homes to World War II veterans who were lined up for blocks.



50 years later, Maryvale is a total shithole, one of the highest crime areas in Phoenix. Aside from the occasional meth addict, almost every car theft, robbery, rape and shooting in Phoenix is committed by an illegal immigrant or one of their zillion teenage offspring gangsters(the american born children of illegals are considered "citizens.")

On my experience living in Los Angeles nearly 20 years ago, I wrote this(which later appeared in a longish piece I wrote called "Scumtown" for a self published book of poetry and essays)

Quote:

On my first full day in Los Angeles,
my first impression was a Sears on Santa Monica and Western
which I would come to refer to as "third world Sears."
There were hordes of people stampeding throughout the place,
and clothing strewn about everywhere, with reckless disregard
for the generally accepted and often excessively anal standards
of your average department store. This is not your average
department store, but as the US continues its transition toward
becoming a third world country, where such refugee camp swap meets represent normalcy, it soon may be. I wasn't thinking about that, though. All I could think of was that at one time it must have been a wonderful store, and anyone involved in the building of the building
or who had worked there in it's heyday would be appalled and saddened
at the looted corpse of an establishment it had become.
More comically, there is a place on Sunset called "The All American
Burger," where there literally did not appear to be one American working there.

I thought about that Sears a lot. It was a beautiful old building in the heart of the city. I thought about how proud the people must have been the day they finished building it. I went there to buy some jeans thinking it was going to be a normal department store, but when I walked in, there piles of clothing and products literally everywhere. You couldn't even walk through the place....just a total disaster and it was as if the employees and the swarms of Spanish speaking customers were completely oblivious to it, like it was a standard for an establishment that they were just fine with. I was somewhat against it before then, but that was my red pill moment on immigration.. where I just said to myself "hell no, I'm not down with this."

Most people think of California as liberal, but Southern California was once a bastion of Barry Goldwater conservatism, and look at it now? Look at Anaheim, where Disneyland is. It's garbageville. Same with the high desert, the San Fernando Valley, Riverside, I could go on and on.

Here is the telling Urban Dictionary entry for Pomona, CA:

Pomona:
a ghetto ass place, where it use to be such a popular and lovely place. it was an attraction for stars, but not anymore.. now its an attraction for the cholos and shit. its mostly hispanics, some blacks and cambos, and fewww whites.
aye foo, where'd my homie go?

he went to some kickback in pomona.

That's the new California. If you're super rich you can live in one of the pockets of gated communities and price out the riff raff and isolate yourself from the richness of mass immigration...for a while, until they vote away enough of your money or the public schools become so ghetto that you decide to move.

We don't need to import millions of impoverished people from ragtag third world countries. We have all that we need and then some.

Los Angeles is quite an interesting place. I don't think there's anywhere in the world where we've witnessed such a rapid demographic sweep.

LA in the 50s:

LA now:

I left LA about a year ago and while I'll always have a certain nostalgia for California since it's my home and where I grew up, I think the place has long been on the slide and unless you are rich or well-connected out there, a solid middle class lifestyle is becoming out of reach as the explosion of poor immigrants has priced even middle income neighborhoods into the stratosphere.

That video of Los Angeles in the 50's was pretty damn cool. LA looked like a hell of a beautiful place.

[Veloce]

(11-20-2014 04:08 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 03:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

LA Now:

That can't possibly be downtown LA. More like a street in East LA somewhere or in a Hispanic neighborhood which is not entirely representative of the entire city.

On another note, this sounds horrible coming from me, but those are some of the ugliest group of Mexicans i've ever seen. Seriously I live in Chicago where there are loads of Mexicans, and i've lived in Texas as well and they don't look nothing like the ones in that video. Are those even Mexicans?

Haha it most certainly is downtown, and that's not even the bad part.

A lot of downtown is like this.

[Samseau]

LA and Miami already experienced cultural collapse, won't be long for Texas and the rest of the south

[Brian Shima]

Texas has had generations of Mexicans for hundreds of years all ready though

[DChambers]

(11-20-2014 05:10 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

LA and Miami already experienced cultural collapse, won't be long for Texas and the rest of the south

The South will stand.

[Badamson]

(11-20-2014 02:53 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:43 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

What the fuck did they do about illegal immigration in all that time? They didn't do jack shit. But now all of a sudden they are the party of fighting illegal immigration.

Politics are a joke.

Funny how politics works. George W. Bush in 2006 actually tried to put forward a bill on immigration reform in response to all the marches. Guess who blocked him then? Democrats, after taking the congress in 06. Democrats did not want to give Bush and the Republican party any leeway with Hispanic voters. This is just a struggle to see who can win the Hispanic vote.

This isn't true. Conservatives stopped Bush's Amnesty in 2006.

The legislation failed to garner even a simple majority.
Only 33 Democrats, 12 Republicans and one independent voted to advance the bill, while 15 Democrats joined 37 Republicans and one independent to block it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/2...3820070629

A lot of people outside of the right wing sphere don't seem to understand that for many years starting in the early 80's, culminating in around 1992 when Buchanan took on Bush I in the primaries, there has been a battle in the republican party between the big business/ globalist cheap labor republicans and neoconservatives vs the cultural and populist conservatives(paleoconservatives, alt right, nationalists isolationists, dark enlightenment etc.) For many years, the big business globalist republicans and neoconservatives dominated(hence the reason we had NAFTA, middle east wars, pro immigrant policies.)

However, in recent years due to endless foreign wars, and people experiencing first hand the cultural impact of mass immigration, those republicans have been losing ground. People began to realize that those globalist republicans policies' transnational corporate wealth benefits were coming at the expense of our national interest, heritage and culture. You can see this with the mainstream republican leadership and the problems they have getting their members to go along.

So you cannot say "well republicans had a republican president and congress and they didn't do anything." Indeed, many of them are a different breed of republicans in there now. For those of us who frequent right wing circles, the battle lines have been pretty clearly drawn.

Conservative sites/Magazines which are generally on the side of Big Business/ interventionist/ neoconservative/ pro immigration;

National Review
Weekly Standard
Fox News
RedState
FreeRepublic
Wall Street Journal
Commentary
Front Page Magazine
RushLimbaugh
Glenn Beck

Conservative Sites/Magazines which are generally paleoconservative or alternate right/ libertarian/opposed to interventionism/ globalism/ immigration/ multiculturalism/ big business;

Takimag
The American Conservative
DrudgeReport
Vdare
Unz Review
Chronicles
Conservative Heritage Times

There are some gray areas where some people like Michael Savage and Bill O'Reilly may be cultural conservatives and want to restrict immigration but still support military interventionism and vice versa in the case of Rand Paul, but for the most part the above holds true.

In recent years with the rise in popularity of the alt right, many of the mainstream republican media outlets like Fox News and National Review have started co-opting many of the views of people like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John Derbyshire and others that they once shunned. You can see the subtle differences between older shows on Foxnews like Hannity vs their newer programming like Redeye, which regularly feature alt right figures like Gavin Mcinnes.

Sorry for the epic political nerd post, but I feel as though without getting this out stuff out there we will all be talking past one another. Just as in 1972 the democrats that supported George Mcgovern had little in common with those that supported Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson just 10-12 years earlier, and republicans who supported Goldwater in 64 were much different than those who voted for Eisenhower in 1952, Republicans in 2014 are not quite the same bunch they were when they supported Bush in 2004. if anything, it was Bush's stubborn policies that unintentionally opened the door for the alternate right to emerge.

[Foolsgo1d]

How are people surprised by this?

A government who willingly increases its welfare no matter the cost should not be shocking you. it is in their doctrine.

[rudebwoy]

Goodbye Middle class.

[Chapped3rdEye]

(11-20-2014 02:53 PM)MidWest Wrote:  

Funny how politics works. George W. Bush in 2006 actually tried to put forward a bill on immigration reform in response to all the marches. Guess who blocked him then? Democrats, after taking the congress in 06. Democrats did not want to give Bush and the Republican party any leeway with Hispanic voters. This is just a struggle to see who can win the Hispanic vote.

Flagrant bullshit. Democrats supported the bill 39-4, see attached.

[Pontifex Maximus]

The Chinese civilization have lasted so long because we choose not to be savior a of the world, we send out our "sea turtles" to absorb knowledge and bring it back to the Middle Kingdom, we never intended to conquer. Zheng He visited Africa and returned. We built the Great Wall to keep out Mongolians, when we easily had the agricultural power to beat them in a war of attrition. We invented gunpowder and naval magnetic compass, but the British emerged as the pinnacle of naval prowess. In other words, it was about self-improvement, not foreign impressment.

That is the fatal flaw of the U.S., a century after the Civil War we insist on following the White Mans Burden. Dave Chapelle put it best in his sketch as black George Bush. " The UN is going stop me. Ohh wait... you ain't got no army. Then you better shut the fuck up!" Americas used to be respected because we could boast but actually back it up. Present day America is a duplicate of Roman bread and circus welfare system. 1/7 people are on food stamps, which is a tragedy. Kim Kardashian's silicone ass can break the internet, but landing on a comet got turned into a misogynistic crime. The height of the Roman republic was the Second Punic War. When Marius privatized and professionalized the Roman legions to fight the barbarian Teutones, Roman virtue that built Rome became corruption. This is the parallel to our Patriot Act/Military industrial complex privatizing to fight the barbarian Al-Queda. The Romans kept Egypt/Asia Minor as a buffer from Parthia. We ship billions to Israel for the same proximity control. The Romans embraced racial mixing, therefore their legions could be commanded by Numidians, Dacians and Egyptians. Never give your former enemy control of your army. Hadrian's Wall to keep out the Anglo barbarians whose land we've conquered? How about a fence along Texas to bar out the Hispanics, right along the Rio Grande we took? What Christianity did to Rome, social radicalism/liberalism will do to America. We have made every mistake the Romans have, and we will pay for it. History always repeats itself. Obama must have skipped lecture to do some community organization.

[ElJefe]

I really don't believe the pollsters on these immigration questions - everywhere I look, everyone I ask - when it's your run-of-the-mill American citizen whose grandather fought in WW2 - then there is no doubt.

Deport. Them. All.

The real actions of Obama are nothing short of treason. He would import a new people to this country in order to drown the people already here who disagree with his agenda. Rather than working for their best interests, he is actively doing all he can to destroy them.

Obama should be impeached, tried and executed. And if that starts a civil conflict, that's excellent - then the one half of America that's got brains, pays the taxes, and is competent (ie. mostly white males) can smack the shit out of all the single moms, spoiled-brat youths, and rabidly anti-Western minorities and re-establish the US as a predominantly Anglo-Saxon, unregulated, minimum-tax, maximum-liberty country and anyone who doesn't like it can take their shit and move to France or some other social radical dump.

It of course goes with out saying that in such a scenario, the establishment GOP should be sent to work in camps in Northern Alaska.

[Brian Shima]

El Jefe you seriously sound like a white supremacist