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(10-10-2014 10:42 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:32 AM)berserk Wrote:  

^ Wasn't it Tucker Max who wrote something once about getting sucked off by a tranny and going out with gay friends?

Seriously? Yuck. Yeah that's the kind of shit that reminds me of false flag like attacks. These guys are not just blue pill but if they are using Feminist shaming language and fraternizing with gays, there is just no way that all this could just be about plagiarizing, back and forth spats, and common everyday shit talking. It could be that they are just blue pill whitekinights trying to take whiteknighting to the next level, but this is looking more like another kind of incel trash (like PUAHate 2.0) with all the mental sicknesses included, trying to fight everyone else in the Manosphere without having the heavy loser vibe the PUAHate guys had. We should not ignore them for sure, but what else can we do about them? It's easy to think that their lack of real content will keep them down, but if they pick up the right "sponsorship" that could change somehow.

http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/the-mos...tion-ever/

Halfway down, conversation 2. Tucker Max in a gay club discussing sucking cock with phaggots and unknowingly banging trannies.

Not saying the guy is a phag, but his brand of hedonism does not put him in any position to go after manosphere guys.

[kaotic]

Dammit Roosh I can't wait that long !

[TravelerKai]

(10-10-2014 11:57 AM)Jack198 Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 10:57 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

The CIA even spends millions on psychological and personality type profile building. The average american has no idea that someone can know all of your strengths and weaknesses in 5-10 mins of questioning.

I'm sure whatever it is the CIA is trying to do, it's being done the wrong way - governments generally can't find their asses with both hands and a five year budget. But there are some techniques that work which agencies do use with some effectiveness - do a search for kinesic interviewing to see what I mean. Cops use this all the time, but it takes training and preferably a session where you have the individual isolated.

There are a few mentions of Ross Jeffries on this forum also - his work in NLP is legendary and effective, but again, his technique takes time and lots of practice to work.

I don't see anything innovative coming from the likes of Tucker Max - he can't even attention whore effectively.

You are gravely mistaken. It goes extremely deep. Here is a snipet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality...ent_System

Cops use that thing you linked and other junk because it is easy enough for them to use. This stuff is not for lame brains. You have to know a good deal of psychology and be pretty well educated to even really grasp it. The neocons (Bush/Obama) switched to torture after 9-11 because they wanted results faster and did not want to spend time on this stuff despite it's track record over years. Many of these CIA guys that are experts on this are now outside consultants for fortune 500 companies and other private firms.

I don't want to derail the thread so I will send you and iop a PMs of stuff I sent another RVF member that asked me about this stuff, when I finish running my errands I have to run right now.

[Libertas]

Anyone got a transcript? I refuse to give his site traffic.

Tucker's really pathetic. If he thinks masculinity should be about drunken one night stands with low quality sluts (which is how he had his claim to fame in the first place), that's fine for him, but I choose to hold myself to a higher standard, as does much of the Manosphere. Not that I'm saying that the former is a bad thing of course, it's just not something I primarily aspire to. Maybe that's part of what he's trying to attack, much like SJWs foaming at the mouth to attack their natural superiors.

At any rate, he's really in no position to claim himself as some sort of model to follow for a healthy and fulfilling expression of masculinity. He's a sophomoric frat boy and his woman is about as feminine as Michelle Obama. He's certainly not someone I want to be.

(10-10-2014 11:26 AM)Krusyos Wrote:  

1) I would love to see the "scientific research" he says proves his beta method. As far as I know, every VALID scientific study (ie peer reviewed, blind, etc.) does nothing but give credence to the wisdom of the "misogynistic shitlords" on ROK and RVF.

I'm not even sure how "scientific" game can really be in the first place. Aside from the things we already know (look good, have status, be cool and interesting, take the lead, don't be a pussy), this is really more of an art. Everyone's got their own style, preferred type of girl (who will always be making her own decisions), etc.

Far too imprecise to be considered a science. And that's something that I thus far haven't seen Tucker even say. His gimmick seems to be that his show is so revolutionary because he's bringing "dat real science," but the entire premise of game being a science is something I take issue with in the first place.

Interesting how he bases his show on this, while at the same time calling PUAs (who we can more or less associate with the early game community) frauds. The two seem to share a similar belief in a one size fits all systematic and "scientific" approach, at least from what I can see.

[VincentVinturi]

#1 - Tucker Max speaks in high-pitched uptalk. He sounds like a bitch from San Francisco. And his so called seduction advice is nothing but feminism lite.

He sounds like a demented ho, going on and on with cliché, amateur Freudian psychobabble about 'mommy issues'. Even though Freud has long been discredited. And 'mommy issues' has about as much objective meaning as 'creepy'.

I had to clench my jaw to finish listening to these two girls. Tucker, I'm going to make you my girlfriend. Start dressing pretty.



#2 - Tuckerina and Jordania seem to believe that the true test of your game is how well you pick up broke ass American girls and how willing you are to put up with their shit.

But to me, the fact these two sissies cast anybody who seeks greener pastures outside of the West in a negative light is telling of their own foul standards. Who the hell would want an American girl after living in Ukraine or the Phils? Nobody, that's who.

#3 - Let's not also forget that Tucker Max is a very savvy marketer who knows that controversy and any kind of publicity equals traffic to his offers. Don't for a minute think that he cares what the truth of the matter is. He's just stirring up shit to make money. And I guess I can't blame him for that. But he's still a little pussy taking cheap shots at member of my tribe. I will fuck you up Tucker.

#4 - Roosh is a guy I'd like to sit down and have a beer with and chat about life. Tucker is a guy I'd want to fight without even knowing him because his demeanor is such a perfect personification of everything that pisses me off about other guys. Just looking at a picture of his stupid face makes me angry.

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-10-2014 12:15 PM)germanico Wrote:  

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You just figure the best way to accomplish your agenda is by conforming to pop relationship advice and trying to cleanse the manosphere of "sexism."

Nope, why would he want to "cleanse" anything? he just wants to bag the "beta guys that want to be validated" market. Which if you think about it, is way larger than the "alpha manosphere manly guys" market.

This. I've known a lot of guys who started getting it - usually post-divorce - but the Red Pill sticks in their throat and they choke it back out. It's always the guys who think they're 'too good' to treat a woman like shit hold masculine frame. They've been trained to think that standing up to the demands of any woman is a form of abuse.

They're too wrapped up in their own perception that they're 'a good guy' and that women are Disney Princesses to face the reality of what would bring them sexual success. The Emotionalism / Irrationalism / Symbolism combination again: "I feel that's a bad way to behave; I refuse to believe demonstrable reality; and if that's what it takes to get laid, then I don't want or need it because I'm above that."

Tucker is telling these guys what they want to hear, and I imagine they're a large, easily-exploitable market because of their symbolist thinking. When what he's saying doesn't work, they'll refuse to see it even as it fails them because they're scared of the truth contained in objective, observable reality.

[Quintus Curtius]

(10-10-2014 02:05 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:  

#2 - Tuckerina and Jordania seem to believe that the true test of your game is how well you pick up broke ass American girls and how willing you are to put up with their shit.

But to me, the fact these two sissies cast anybody who seeks greener pastures outside of the West in a negative light is telling of their own foul standards. Who the hell would want an American girl after living in Ukraine or the Phils? Nobody, that's who.

Vincent brings up a great point.

I get the sense on some level that Tuckerina doesn't really understand the importance of game. He had so much success banging bar skanks by appealing to that element that he never needed to get outside his comfort zone. He's never had to enter the mosh pit, dive into the trenches, and slug it out.

But we have, Tucker.

We can out-run you, out-work you, out-fuck you, and out-philosophize you.

Has this guy ever lived in a foreign country?
Does he know what it is like to be the average-looking guy in the room? To feel awkward around women?
What actionable advice is he offering on life, except to just "be yourself"?

He's not a man for the underdog.

[MikeCF]

Tucker is mad. Here's why.

   


   

[Foolsgo1d]

Dunno about you guys but I don't consider immature drunken frat guys post-wall whinings a good use of my time. Never really listen to these types anyway and this further proves it.

I got out of my way to avoid "lad" types and their conquest stories.

[deathtofatties]

(10-10-2014 11:03 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I got some juicy dirt to share about this when I get home later.

Can't wait.

[deathtofatties]

Tucker max is a self-serving, self-aggrandizing good ol' white American frat boy, and one that can only speak for himself. He doesn't have any useful advice for the average guy that wants more success with more women. It's as if the Mating Grounds is just a platform for him to stroke his own ego, as he did in the podcast; after slandering Rooshv and shaming men for wanting a higher notch count, he blissfully recalls his own notches with bar skanks.

Also, Tucker Max and Jordan Harbringer have a lot of nerve, saying crap like "men in the PUA/RVF community are just upset because women have higher standards now, and they don't want to improve themselves."

A lot of what we talk about, here on RVF, is self improvement related -- from lifting weights so we have a BETTER BODY, to making more MONEY, dressing BETTER, smelling BETTER, and even fucking BETTER. I'm a little mad right now as you can tell.

Tucker Max and Jordan Harbringer clearly haven't read anything on the RooshV forums, and they certainly haven't thought about anything they've read on Roosh's blog.

[Roosh]

So here's what Tucker's guest Jordan Harbinger said about me on his show:



Those are some strong words. He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang:



Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.



Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:



And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:



Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

[deathtofatties]

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

You declined his interview, so in his mind, he's decided you are a scammer?

[Krusyos]

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

So here's what Tucker's guest Jordan Harbinger said about me on his show:



Those are some strong words. He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang:



Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.



Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:



And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:



Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

Jordan "I Like Receiving Buttsex" Harbringer has been duly notified.

[TravelerKai]

First MikeCF points at the scoreboard then Roosh flushes the toilet on rat face. My evening whiskey will taste excellent today.

[Quintus Curtius]

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

He doesn't want to interview me because it goes against his values. But his name rung a bell so I put it in my Gmail. He first contacted me in 2008 asking to review Bang...

Then he used an intermediary in 2011 to ask me for an interview. I declined.

Maybe my content changed since 2011 and I became against everything he stands for. But then he asked for an interview again this year:

And AGAIN not even 5 months ago:

Tucker Max lied about me and now his featured guest, who has been a fan for 6 years running, lied about me too. This is comedy.

Holy shit...unbelievable.

These guys are just pathetic. Or beyond pathetic.

I have to conclude from this that they're either (1) totally delusional; or (2) desperate to show their relevance by trying to pick a fight with you.

The proof is right there, and you got them.

[LeBeau]

Those guys can quote the views/hits they get all day long...

When it comes to RVF, ROK, Danger and Play, etc.

We have the fleet of actual men:

[Vaun]

Quote:

Fake it to you make it is bad advice
-Tucker Max

I watched a close friend pretend to be a CEO, threw himself into an improbable role, mixed with a little luck and a decent education, and in five years he went from a low level sales rep to became the CEO of one of the hottest(and largest) internet companies, with light years more higher status than Tucker could hope to achieve in his life.

[Libertas]

(10-10-2014 04:22 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Wow.

Holy shit.



This is even more pathetic than I thought.

Hey Tucker, when I went out today I picked up a runway model by going direct and being my attractive self, the self I built up over the past year, just like the Manosphere advocates.

Does this make me a sociopath?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The guy is totally busted!

First of all having a podcast called Pickup-podcast and then soon after attacking all PUAs after having interviewed quite a few is just mad.

Sure there is more money to be made in the Blue Pill world of men, but such idiotic opportunism is just too steeped in hypocrisy.

Those emails completely discredit his words - frankly even his previous podcast name discredits his new "anti-PUA" stance (while having learned from PUAs all he could).

[RXB]

My question is, who is Max trying to get as an audience?

Right now his site's anti-PUA theme isn't going to attract average Joe's (if I'm just a dude who Googles "How to meet women" why would I sit through a podcast about Max's Internet drama). The only people who would find this stuff exciting are those weird dweebs at PUAhate, David Futrelle, and that old lady who has a weird obsession with manosphere guys.

From a marketing standpoint, there are all kinds of different avenues that Max could have gone down. He could have even made an anti-manosphere dating site without bashing anyone or being negative. But instead he went down a dead-end road that will ruin him.

I have a lot of respect for all the actual manosphere authors. They've had the integrity to stand up for what they believe in rather than throwing each other under the bus in hopes of some temporary attention.

[Lucky]

Incredible. It seems Tucker and this other guy are teaming up to discredit Roosh and the manosphere. On Tucker's website he writes "Every opinion you have says almost nothing about the object of the opinion, but says volumes about you."

That is Tucker's quote. Now connect that to his nutty ranting about Roosh:

Tucker:
[Roosh] like freaked out, freaked out, man. First off, he recorded a video demanding an apology from me, and posted it on YouTube. Called me a liar, went through this elaborate explanation about why what he did with this Ukraine book was not lying. Like he put pictures in and there was a big disclaimer at the bottom that said that he hadn’t slept with these women–whatever. These were just examples of the Ukrainian women or whatever. Some elaborate explanation or why he wasn’t a liar which of course means that he’s probably lying, right?

Tucker:
Dude, he is a straight up real life sociopath.


I read Tucker's first book and was a fan back in high school, but then I remember seeing a clip of him on Fox News and wondering "Why doesn't this guy seem as cool as his book?"

[runsonmagic]

This is so bizarre.

Tucker is a guy who defended Neil Strauss on his forum. Now he's got the moral high ground on "sociopath" pick-up artists?

When I first saw his site, I thought "oh cool, I guess he's gonna start writing again."

Now I see, it's all about the money.

Didn't see it before because money's not a huge motivator for me. At least, not enough to sell-out principles.

But his explanation of Roosh's video... it's like he isn't even in the same reality as the rest of us.

That guy had such an opportunity for a comeback, but he blew it so hard. I don't even feel sorry for him.

RIP Tucker.