deathtofatties:
I'll address some of the claims you have made in your posts throughout this thread. There are many logically fallacious statements littering your posts but I'll do my best to address the main ones.
The first ncbi link in your OP is broken. Can you relink it please? The one that claims that it is not necessary to eat any meat whatsoever to maintain or increase testosterone levels. You actually state that the opposite is true. Now I know this claim of yours that eating meat actually decreases T levels is so obviously not true it is laughable - intuitively it makes zero sense - but I'd still like to read the study that claims it to be so and i'll withhold judgement until I analyze it. I have no doubt there are some serious flaws with it and the interpretation/manipulation of the results in order to suit some pro-vegan (read: pro grain industry) agenda.
2. In the second study you linked to you claim that the result of the study determined that "eating too much saturated fat from animal sources can lead to erectile dysfunction".
No it doesn't. There is absolutely NOTHING in that study that shows causation of ED as a result of eating saturated fat from animal protein. There is so much wrong with the construction and subsequent analysis of that study that to begin to break down its flaws would take an entire paper in itself. But make no mistake, there's nothing in it that claims that eating saturated fat from animal sources causes ED. Even the (almost certainly biased) authors didnt have the audacity to claim that.
3. There are MANY studies showing the detrimental effects of eating soy on men's libidos. The estrogenic effects alone are cause enough to not touch the stuff. Here's a couple of solid links:
http://chriskresser.com/soy-foods-associ...erm-counts
http://chriskresser.com/the-soy-ploy
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/593S.long
Now I know veganism doesn't require the intake of soy, but lets face facts - many vegans substitute meat/seafood/eggs/dairy/etc with alternative food sources. These are usually grain and soy. If you're trying to build any sort of muscle and trying to get 3k+ calories per day from fruit and vegetables alone without any animal products or grain?... Yeah, good luck with that. Say hello to the diabetes bomb you will inevitably develop from ingesting all that fructose (sugar).
4. "Obesity, Erectile Dysfunction, Poor Cardiovascular Health, Oxidative stress (accelerated aging), Inflammation, Arthritis and Gout..."
There are zero published studies showing meat as a causative factor in ANY of those maladies you listed. If you can find one (that isn't inherently flawed or willfully misinterprets the data) you could single handedly demolish the entire paleo movement. Do you have any idea the amount of militant vegans who would just LOVE to do that? God they would gleefully be all over such a study. The China Study was the closest the vegetarian/vegan crowd ever came to that until Denise Minger and Chris Masterjohn among other notables thoroughly destroyed and debunked it and forever discredited the career of its author T. Colin Campbell in the process.
5. "But you do realize that they feed the animals grains, so anytime you eat animal products, you are indirectly supporting the grain industry anyway."
That's why i only eat grass fed beef, free range chicken, etc. ie: What all animals for the entire history of the planet except for the last sub-100 years ate.
Eating meet doesn't have to support the grain industry.
6. The Vegan bodybuilder? Ate meat most of his training life, and animal poducts up until 2 years ago. Also, come on, there's no fucking way that guy isn't loaded to the gills with "performance enhancing supplements" if you know what I mean. Regardless, one genetic freak doesn't prove the efficacy or optimality of anything. He's an outlier, an exception to the rule. Simple as that. Don't use the NAWALT defense. Come on, we're better than that around here.
Veganism is far from optimal and optimal is what we should all be striving for.
Here's a solid post that outlines some of the more common fallacies oft promoted by pro-vegan agenda folk:
http://authoritynutrition.com/top-5-reas...ible-idea/
If veganism is working for you personally then keep it up. But don't make the mistake of thinking that it is
optimal for your health or physique/performance goals because there's a mountain of evidence that says otherwise. I have no problem with vegans. But when they start spewing bogus science and claiming some sort of moral high ground (relax, not saying you are here, but we all know many that
are just like that) then that's when i get annoyed.