[_DC_]

Ive been to most US cities for atleast a weekend. Ive always considered NYC my number 2 city for best looking women, and was in West Village/East Village/Soho this past weekend.

I just got back walking down Lincoln Rd (South Beach) and fully realized this time that there is no place that can touch it with a 50 ft pole. If you like midwestern white girls, a place like Austin Tx or LA might edge it out (or JAPs for NYC) but for any other women, esp. south american and european, this place just blows every city out of the water.

This is nothing new, just needed to give Sobe some more much needed props

[Christian McQueen]

Now you see the light.

SoBe has the highest concentration of female models per capita then any other US city, even NYC.

[Wayout]

Yes they look pretty good but have you tried to talk to them? 90% of them have a sponsor. Many models, porn actresses,euro chicks on vacation with their boyfriends. You just don't see the guys they came with. I lived in South beach and I must say this was the toughest place on earth to game because every tourist dude is trying. Bitch shields are pretty strong here. And even if you manage to talk to them there will be no date or hand holding as any 8 and up has already been invited to all kinds of parties by promoters. They comb the beach day and night to supply pussy to local clubs and parties.

[Christian McQueen]

^^^Excuses.

Any HOT girl has admirers, possible sponsors and sugar daddies; doesn't mean you can't pull them.

Learn to be a shark to catch the mermaids.

Miami is heaven for pulling gorgeous models, IF you have your Game together.

[TheBMan]

@_DC_ - How are you doing with the top tier talent down there?

[thegmanifesto]

We have had this discussion before.

If you are this, come to South Beach:



If you are this, don't bother:



Or you are liable to end up like this:



Or this:

[_DC_]

TheBMan, doing good on 2nd tier talent, which is 1st tier anywhere else. I avoid the megaclubs and save money. Plenty of hot non-models at places that arent LIV.

Im in awe with the potential though. A year in the gym and grinding out approaches, ive got the potential to get the top creme.

[Saladin]

South Beach sounds awesome. I've heard model season in the winter is excellent especially for daygame.

I turn 21 next summer, seems like that area would be an ideal winter destination after that.

[OGNorCal707]

(11-06-2013 10:55 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

TheBMan, doing good on 2nd tier talent, which is 1st tier anywhere else. I avoid the megaclubs and save money. Plenty of hot non-models at places that arent LIV.

Im in awe with the potential though. A year in the gym and grinding out approaches, ive got the potential to get the top creme.

Yeah I'd imagine a 6 in South Beach would be like a 7.5-8 in my town, so "second tier" talent would be cool with me. I wonder if you get a full range of women, or is the drop off from anything under an 8 drastic?

Santa Barbara is a town full of hot women, but strangely enough it seems women there are either extremely hot or just down right average not a lot in the 6-7.5 range. Not to set one's sights low, but I never had luck spitting at the dimes down there, at the end of the night, I'd be like where are all the down to earth cute 7's at?

Miami is starting to sound more appealing to me, but I wonder how much success I could have with moderate game and moderate bankroll, no way I'm competing with the cocaine cowboys down there.

[la_mode]

No harder than LA/Vegas for top-tier.

If anything, the queers there can be offsetting and put the ratios in your favor.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-07-2013 04:12 AM)la_mode Wrote:  

No harder than LA/Vegas for top-tier.

Where have you had success in Miami for the "top-tier"?

Break it down a little.

Which venues, which nights?

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In my opinion:

LA is probably harder just because LA sucks so bad and offers up such atrocious nightlife and a stifling Police State.

Although LA requires less of a skillset than Miami. So I don't know if I would call it harder, but I would certainly call it worse.

LA is certainly easier for the mythical "Average Guy with Average Game".

Vegas is easier and certainly requires less of a skillset.

If someone has dominated Vegas 30+ nights, had 20 -25 swoops there and they have the skillset, they are probably ready for Miami.

Maybe I will do some LA VS Miami and Las Vegas VS Miami Comparison Data Sheets if people are interested.

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If anything, the queers there can be offsetting and put the ratios in your favor.

When was the last time you were in Miami?

The "queers" aren't really as big of a factor there anymore.

(11-07-2013 02:36 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Miami is starting to sound more appealing to me, but I wonder how much success I could have with moderate game and moderate bankroll, no way I'm competing with the cocaine cowboys down there.

Honestly, "moderate game and moderate bankroll" spells this:



I will say it again, Miami is very unforgiving to someone with "moderate game and moderate bankroll".

OGNorCal707, I remember you saying you ran into some trouble in Playa Del Carmen.

Playa Del Carmen is a way easier than South Beach with a million less drawbacks ie door policies, expense, venue knowledge, etc etc etc

I don't want to discourage you, but want to shoot straight with you.

Also, I have written many times in the past about how California guys get put thru the woodchipper in Miami.

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An easy question anyone can ask themselves if South Beach is for you:

Can your Bankroll handle $20 Cocktails?

If the answer is no, Do not pass Go and do not collect $200.

If the answer is yes, then I will have a host of other questions for you.

Feel free to ask.

I am here to help as always.

[InternationPlayboy]

What's funny is it's off season too in south beach. Head back there in march and you'll really see the true tallent.

[Magyarphile]

Gmanifesto, what line of work are you in? There aren't too many men in Miami that find 20$ cocktails palatable. Well, there are but they are the types of guys who put their entire salary in their car. Miami has nice weather and nice broads but 90% of the people down there pretend to be something they are not. Its really annoying.

[Menace]

I was in SoBe/Miami Beach in October, and definitely co-sign on the talent. Just sit in that little area near Lincoln Rd where some restaurants are (outside the Nespresso coffee place or Doraku) and people watch. Miami definitely seems like a night-city, but this may be seasonal. I don't know what it's like during the day, since I am always there only early evening or in the night.

DC, when you saying doing good with 2nd tier talent, what does that mean? Regarding $20 cocktails...I would not say it's a huge deal, although it would become one if you are doing $20 cocktails 4 days a week.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-07-2013 08:08 AM)Menace Wrote:  

I was in SoBe/Miami Beach in October, and definitely co-sign on the talent. Just sit in that little area near Lincoln Rd where some restaurants are (outside the Nespresso coffee place or Doraku) and people watch. Miami definitely seems like a night-city, but this may be seasonal. I don't know what it's like during the day, since I am always there only early evening or in the night.

Day and night are both real good.

(11-07-2013 08:08 AM)Menace Wrote:  

Regarding $20 cocktails...I would not say it's a huge deal, although it would become one if you are doing $20 cocktails 4 days a week.

That is the issue.

This is the first week that I can remember where its Thursday and I haven't had a sip of alcohol yet.

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Here is the difference the way I see it:

In LA you can be a top tier player but still take heavy losses because LA is set up so terrible. You lose mostly because LA sucks for a Playboy ie Police State, Logistics, Rules, Ratios, Travel Times, Logistics etc.

In Las Vegas a top tier player is going to find guaranteed success. They only thing that will stop him is something unforeseen; an overdose perhaps. Other than that, it is hard to lose.

In Miami you can be a top tier player from another city and this can happen to you:



I have seen it happen time and time again with my own eyes. I have seen friends that are top tier get gutted in Miami and try to stuff their intestines back into their body.

[_DC_]

As per the $20-30 drinks, thats LIV territory. The megaclubs are fun sometimes, but this is probably where the gutting happens. $8 drink for a beer or $10 for a decent mixed drink is more like it, all down lincoln rd and washington (with the exception of megaclubs like bamboo or mansion). Whats funny is the drinks are high enough here that blow will be cheaper for a night, depending on the venue.

I think Miami is a very visual looks-orientated place. I think its as important if not more important than game, at least for not getting blown out instantly.

Ive only been straight up ignored at places like Mansion, and there is a good chance they dont speak English anyway.

OGNorCal, in no way did I mean 2nd tier as a 6. I just meant the girls who arent turn your head gorgeous, the obvious model types. Tier 2 in Miami are girls 99% of single guys would sleep with.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-07-2013 04:42 PM)_DC_ Wrote:  

As per the $20-30 drinks, thats LIV territory. The megaclubs are fun sometimes, but this is probably where the gutting happens. $8 drink for a beer or $10 for a decent mixed drink is more like it, all down lincoln rd and washington (with the exception of megaclubs like bamboo or mansion). Whats funny is the drinks are high enough here that blow will be cheaper for a night, depending on the venue.

$20 per cocktail you will find at any of the higher end hotel bars, lounges and clubs, not just LIV or Bamboo or SET.

(For the record, I have been, but don't go to LIV regularly and that place didn't fit into my numbers).

Remember tip is included.

Nicer resturants cocktails are $14-18.

Dive bars ie foxhole, which I know you know is $14 maybe more.

Not sure where you are finding $10 a drink. Where?

Maybe The Deuce?

Disclaimer:

I am talking top shelf here, but everyone should already know that.

I would guess lower end would save you $2 per drink.

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Keeping with the Nature Theme, this is what happens to a guy with a small bankroll in South Beach:



Or this:

[Magyarphile]

G, how many of these cocktails do you drink in a night? 4 cocktails and cover fee and you are out a 100 bucks. Am I the only one who fails to see how it is worth it? This is essentially pay for pussy without the guarantee. For 20$, I can get an 7.5/10 prostitute in Budapest, 9/10 in Debrecen. Glad I left Miami...

[Christian McQueen]

(11-07-2013 06:13 PM)Magyarphile Wrote:  

G, how many of these cocktails do you drink in a night? 4 cocktails and cover fee and you are out a 100 bucks. Am I the only one who fails to see how it is worth it? This is essentially pay for pussy without the guarantee. For 20$, I can get an 7.5/10 prostitute in Budapest, 9/10 in Debrecen. Glad I left Miami...

That mindset will leave you fucking 5's and broke.

[Christian McQueen]

(11-07-2013 06:13 PM)Magyarphile Wrote:  

G, how many of these cocktails do you drink in a night? 4 cocktails and cover fee and you are out a 100 bucks. Am I the only one who fails to see how it is worth it? This is essentially pay for pussy without the guarantee. For 20$, I can get an 7.5/10 prostitute in Budapest, 9/10 in Debrecen. Glad I left Miami...

And...you forget that alot of players enjoy the PROCESS of going out, having good food and drinks and spitting game.

The process for me is the enjoyment; the sex is the cherry on the top.

[Magyarphile]

(11-07-2013 07:03 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

(11-07-2013 06:13 PM)Magyarphile Wrote:  

G, how many of these cocktails do you drink in a night? 4 cocktails and cover fee and you are out a 100 bucks. Am I the only one who fails to see how it is worth it? This is essentially pay for pussy without the guarantee. For 20$, I can get an 7.5/10 prostitute in Budapest, 9/10 in Debrecen. Glad I left Miami...

That mindset will leave you fucking 5's and broke.

Fuzzy math, mate. I could bang a prostitute every night of the week and still spend a lot less than what G does in a weekend. Secondly, American 5s don't exist in Budapest. Anyways, I was just being ironic, I don't pay for it.

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And...you forget that alot of players enjoy the PROCESS of going out, having good food and drinks and spitting game.

The process for me is the enjoyment; the sex is the cherry on the top.

If you enjoy sipping overpriced drinks with an artificial crowd than by all means...but unless you are earning a ton of cash than that is a reckless way to live. I spend money on things that improve my future not stuff that I piss out an hour later.

[thegmanifesto]

And another South Beach thread turns polarizing on the first page...

Me getting ready for the night (Custom Suited Down):

[Christian McQueen]

"If you enjoy sipping overpriced drinks with an artificial crowd than by all means."

^^^Methinks you're either a troll, a hater, a negative cat, or perhaps all 3.

I'll take a nap in my tree too, cuz the more schmucks who don't clog up SoBe, leaves more models for me and cats who get it.

Cheers!

[thegmanifesto]

(11-07-2013 07:34 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

I'll take a nap in my tree too, cuz the more schmucks who don't clog up SoBe, leaves more models for me and cats who get it.

Cheers!

This thread demonstrates exactly why South Beach is good for the Apex Predators.

The herd animals have already lost. They get hunted here.

[worldwidetraveler]

Ok, who showed Gman how to post pictures?