Quote: (02-02-2019 01:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
What kind of society do you want?
Somehow aptly this is a case of having to ask which came first, the chicken or the egg.
Would fetuses aborted be burdens to society if born because their prospective mothers are ratshit skanks? Or are the prospective mothers ratshit skanks because we've adapted society to give them a free way out for every shitty decision they make, including failing to use the many and varied forms of birth control available to them? A free way out even if the method for that escape is abhorrent.
Look at the amish, or any wholesome community. How many of their women are giving birth to "useless burdens"? It's the society that creates the woman that creates the so-called need to abort "future burdens". It echoes both ways. Give women access to abortions and you create ratshit skanks who help create the society where people say "I'm glad they're not giving birth".
As for overpopulation, currently Africa, China and India are each going to have two kids for every one you refuse to have yourself. They will be happy to step into your place when you self-genocide to save the planet.
Lets say there was no welfare for single mothers. There were no jobs to be found for women except day care workers, nurses or secretaries. And divorce would be illegal/not possible. Adultery would be punishable with years in prison. There also would be no (((media))) to tell women to be as slutty as possible, but a media run by domestic people promoting families and union among their race/people.
The main argument against abortion in this case would be a moral one. But I just don't share your morals in that all life must be protected at all times. Call me "weak" for not sharing your religious views, but I could easily call you weak too - who is right or wrong is subjective.
I could argue if she wanted to cough up her own money to abort her future child you're just saving civilization from a future career criminal. An underground abortion market would be created too where poor women would go to non-educated "Doctors" who'd kill both her and the baby (like in the Philippines), and rich women would get it done by a professional and won't even be left with a scar.
You can't drag the Amish into this argument because they all live in very small, tight-knit communities. If the Amish had cities the size of New York (where their women could roam freely without prying eyes) then I'm sure you'd have a lot of "useless burdens" growing inside their stomachs too.
In the end, no rule or law exists in a vacuum but affects society in different ways depending on how the rest of the book of law is written. If you ban abortion in today's society, what you'd actually get is more people being born from low IQ welfare recipients, and the falling white demographics would fall even faster. You'd have even more single mothers depended on the state, and most of them would be black or latino.
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Or are the prospective mothers ratshit skanks because we've adapted society to give them a free way out for every shitty decision they make, including failing to use the many and varied forms of birth control available to them? A free way out even if the method for that escape is abhorrent.
This is an argument against abortion that I could get along with. And I agree, if abortion was illegal we'd be more able to distinguish from good and bad prospective mothers. On the other hand, if you can't tell she's a bad bet regardless, then you probably are of a bad genetic mixup yourself.
And on top of that, we all make mistakes in life, especially in our teenage years. I am all for promoting society's best and cut the lesser people out of the gene pool. But human robots that never make a mistake or take a gamble might not actually be the "best" genes to carry forward in the long run. And if we create such harsh laws that any deviance from the established dogma practically kills you or your future reproductive success, then what we'd end up with eventually is a bunch of insectoids.
It's easy to see the beauty of complete right wing fascism in the current Weimar Republic ("on steroids"), and that arguing for something slightly less than Christian fascism would be seen as "giving in" or being "weak". But in my opinion wanting to go completely and utterly in the opposite direction of Weimar is more of an emotional response to the current decay of society than a logical one.