[S Vega]

(06-04-2013 03:07 AM)capote Wrote:  

Its interesting how quickly and easily racial stereotypes go mainstream, especially in communities that are homogeneous and not cosmopolitan. I think this problem is more pronounced in countries like Poland, Germany etc. that have a relatively small percentage of immigrant/ethnic population. The ensuing xenophobia further isolates the immigrants from the locals, leading to more aggressive behavior by the former group.

Your description of attitudes towards turks/arabs matches the experience of my friend who recently visited Poland (Krakow) and was not treated warmly by the local chicas. He is Colombian but looks Arab, and didn't get much love in the clubs. Although when we were in Prague, some random Polish girls literally screamed in lust when they heard him speak Spanish. The poor fucker is still perplexed by the contrasting attitudes.

I'm telling you as an Arab myself, most of us act like jerks and what's been said previously and I can't really blame poles for the way they feel due to actions of the majority (and seen with my own eyes), it'll just be up to the lone wolves like me to hopefully change the mentality a bit!

@The Patrairch This is pretty true, my friend who's arab travelled to bulgaria and said the chicks he scored 99% of the time were Polish! There is that innate attraction for an Arab look, but what comes with the territory is generally unwanted.

[PTHulk]

I will tell you the main difference between the Portuguese and the Spanish guy. While the Spanish guy may have it easier with Spanish girls, the Portuguese guy cannot say the same about Portuguese girls. They are very hard to approach and therefore to game them. They know they have high value, even if they are no more then absolute average, because of all the validation Portuguese man are constantly giving them.

So, what does the Portuguese guy does? He goes to gym, he studies game, he tries to be the best man possible. Then, we go to a place like Poland, for us is like playing on the national league because we allways have been playing in the fucking champions league. We have the killer instinct, our will to fuck everything that moves is very strong. Of course, that's only our intent, we don't go brute force on girls. After all we do study game.

From what i can tell, the Spanish guy is more concerned about la fiesta, partying on large groups and if they can score with little effort, that's a bonus.

This is my opinion, from what i've experienced. Please don't take this as Portuguese are the real players or some hate post against the Spaniards.

Take care.

[PTHulk]

Actually, I have something to add. I've just read 'Bang Poland' only to confirm many things i had figured out in my last stay in Poland. I kind of resent the fact that you didn't mention the Portuguese. Maybe you had thrown us in the Spanish bag.

I will be in Poznan for some time very soon, if you happen to spot by, Roosh, i will be more than happy to give reasons to mention the Portuguese in the next Bang Poland edition.

[wishmakerman]

Disagree with Kamaki.
I stayed almost all Balkan countries at least 3-4 weeks and still visit often for business.
I do believe that "Balkan Power" concept but if Balkans and Spanish go to any club in Poland, they would play well if there is no any passionate italian (shameless) or crazy turkish or arabs (not ordinary sex tourist, i meant guy who spend thousands euros). Whatever we do, money talks, in the end
PS: I visited more than 70 countries and their high end clubs.

[rudebwoy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shows.html

[LEMONed IScream]

Exactly, exactly.

After portuguese girls, almost anywhere else is like "easy mode", that is why we have it so much better with foreigners.

(09-11-2013 07:42 PM)PTHulk Wrote:  

I will tell you the main difference between the Portuguese and the Spanish guy. While the Spanish guy may have it easier with Spanish girls, the Portuguese guy cannot say the same about Portuguese girls. They are very hard to approach and therefore to game them. They know they have high value, even if they are no more then absolute average, because of all the validation Portuguese man are constantly giving them.

So, what does the Portuguese guy does? He goes to gym, he studies game, he tries to be the best man possible. Then, we go to a place like Poland, for us is like playing on the national league because we allways have been playing in the fucking champions league. We have the killer instinct, our will to fuck everything that moves is very strong. Of course, that's only our intent, we don't go brute force on girls. After all we do study game.

From what i can tell, the Spanish guy is more concerned about la fiesta, partying on large groups and if they can score with little effort, that's a bonus.

This is my opinion, from what i've experienced. Please don't take this as Portuguese are the real players or some hate post against the Spaniards.

Take care.

[Mekorig]

Strange, it is my same experience, but with Argentine women.

[Icarus]

Don't all women become more promiscuous when they leave their home countries?

[EU Explorer]

(09-26-2013 01:01 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...shows.html

I am loving this paragraph...understatement of the century

"Also, Polish girls tend to be prettier than British girls and dress more elegantly and femininely, which attracts men, while British men tend to be more attractive in their looks and behaviour than the Polish men most girls meet back home"

[Kabal]

dontuan, which cities were/are you in?

[Kuba]

Ehi guys, I'm a newbie an yesterday it was one of the first nights I went to the club solo - Erasmus night in an italian university city. Really weird experience: I was just dancing by myself when I see this petite girl dancing like a pro with an athletic body so I sad to myself, let's try. We exchange a few words (she's polish, study Italianistic) and then we start to dance togheter. She's crazy: dances soo sexually and touches my body; she let touch ass crotch and tits and when she dances she want to the feel the dick: we are virtually having sex with the clothes but... She doesn't let me kiss her. I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing. I danced with her for almost 30 minutes but nothing. I tried to talk with her for a while but nothing. I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know". I'm really pissed. Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

[Icarus]

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

She doesn't let me kiss her. I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing.

She almost certainly has a Polish boyfriend back home on whom she does not want to cheat, as that would make her a "bad girl". So, she is horny and gets off of dancing dirty with you, virtually having sex with clothes on on the dance floor, and gets to feel desired and validated. She gets almost all she wants (even without kissing or intercourse), and does not have to "sin" to get it. It's an arbitrage opportunity.

[XXL]

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing. I danced with her for almost 30 minutes but nothing. I tried to talk with her for a while but nothing. I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know". I'm really pissed. Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

She just wanted to dance.

If you want to see what's what then dance with a girl for 2-4 songs and try to move her. Bar, sofas, smoking area, stairs, etc. If she likes YOU then she will go. If not. Go dance with others. Go back to her later and try the same thing. She'll be more fun and drunk. So you never know. There's no reason why you can't re approach later.

Whatever you do not dance with one girl for too long hoping that she will change her mind and submit to you. She might later in the night but sticking with her is a waste of time. There are more stones to turn in clubs.

[Greek kamaki]

It is nothing uncommon.Many polish girls dance like that grinding on men in clubs sometimes on two or three of them in a row however very few get picked up at the end of the night.
To close the deal in Poland you need more than dancing.
One needs there a hook tactic.I developed mine after I became familiar with the local circumstances.

[Giacomo Casanova]

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

Ehi guys, I'm a newbie an yesterday it was one of the first nights I went to the club solo - Erasmus night in an italian university city. Really weird experience: I was just dancing by myself when I see this petite girl dancing like a pro with an athletic body so I sad to myself, let's try. We exchange a few words (she's polish, study Italianistic) and then we start to dance togheter. She's crazy: dances soo sexually and touches my body; she let touch ass crotch and tits and when she dances she want to the feel the dick: we are virtually having sex with the clothes but... She doesn't let me kiss her. I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing. I danced with her for almost 30 minutes but nothing. I tried to talk with her for a while but nothing. I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know". I'm really pissed. Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

It's very common dancing with Polish girls in a dirty way, and then to finish your night with nothing.
In order to pick up successfully in that situation, you must control yourself not trying to kiss her soon. It ìs the perfect mistake horny foreigners do in Poland. Contrarly, you have to invite the girl to drink something together. Only after a drink, and a bit of chat in which you will be "connected" with her, the following time you will go with her in the dance floor, you will successfully kiss her.

And trust me, Italian guys could have a lot of success in Poland, but only with a calibrated game.

[Frank Mackey]

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know".

Lesson learned: never ask "why" to a girl...

[Mekorig]

(10-17-2013 01:57 PM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know".

Lesson learned: never ask "why" to a girl...

Amen to that!

[Kuba]

(10-17-2013 11:05 AM)Icarus Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

She doesn't let me kiss her. I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing.

She almost certainly has a Polish boyfriend back home on whom she does not want to cheat, as that would make her a "bad girl". So, she is horny and gets off of dancing dirty with you, virtually having sex with clothes on on the dance floor, and gets to feel desired and validated. She gets almost all she wants (even without kissing or intercourse), and does not have to "sin" to get it. It's an arbitrage opportunity.

Yes I agree with you, but "rationally" (for what may mean for a female) is nonsense.

[Greek kamaki]

It is cultural.In southern Mediterranean countries if a girl dances like that with you the sexual interest is obvious.Not so in slavic countries.Mediterranean men often get confused by slavic crazy women behaviour.It makes sense once you live among them.

[Kuba]

(10-17-2013 01:53 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

Ehi guys, I'm a newbie an yesterday it was one of the first nights I went to the club solo - Erasmus night in an italian university city. Really weird experience: I was just dancing by myself when I see this petite girl dancing like a pro with an athletic body so I sad to myself, let's try. We exchange a few words (she's polish, study Italianistic) and then we start to dance togheter. She's crazy: dances soo sexually and touches my body; she let touch ass crotch and tits and when she dances she want to the feel the dick: we are virtually having sex with the clothes but... She doesn't let me kiss her. I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing. I danced with her for almost 30 minutes but nothing. I tried to talk with her for a while but nothing. I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know". I'm really pissed. Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

It's very common dancing with Polish girls in a dirty way, and then to finish your night with nothing.
In order to pick up successfully in that situation, you must control yourself not trying to kiss her soon. It ìs the perfect mistake horny foreigners do in Poland. Contrarly, you have to invite the girl to drink something together. Only after a drink, and a bit of chat in which you will be "connected" with her, the following time you will go with her in the dance floor, you will successfully kiss her.

And trust me, Italian guys could have a lot of success in Poland, but only with a calibrated game.

I think so, even if I'm not the typical Italian (i'm 3/4 southern and 1/4 from Slovenian border so brown air and blue eyes) I always had success with polish girls. I had a relashion with one that I picked up with "dance game" (I was 17) and I was just 10 minutes of chat and then kiss. Even with ITALIAN GIRLS (are you italian right? You know are a way more difficoult) it happened twice and with setting the bang. But now, thinking about, the other experience with polish girls were in daygame.

Btw: we have the same name

(10-17-2013 03:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It is cultural.In southern Mediterranean countries if a girl dances like that with you the sexual interest is obvious.Not so in slavic countries.Mediterranean men often get confused by slavic crazy women behaviour.It makes sense once you live among them.

Exactly what I suspected: I no longer have to assume the italian (mediterranean?) rule that if she dirty dances with you wants the dick.

[Kuba]

(10-17-2013 02:44 PM)Mekorig Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 01:57 PM)Frank Mackey Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know".

Lesson learned: never ask "why" to a girl...

Amen to that!

I agree with both but I was just curiosity: I already assumed I was getting home with blue balls (4am)

[Kuba]

(10-17-2013 11:35 AM)XXL Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 10:40 AM)Kuba Wrote:  

I tried everything: kiss on the neck, hand on the dick (she played for a while) and massive caveman. Nothing. I danced with her for almost 30 minutes but nothing. I tried to talk with her for a while but nothing. I asked her "why?" in different ways but she can only say "I don't know". I'm really pissed. Have you guys ever experienced something like that?

She just wanted to dance.

If you want to see what's what then dance with a girl for 2-4 songs and try to move her. Bar, sofas, smoking area, stairs, etc. If she likes YOU then she will go. If not. Go dance with others. Go back to her later and try the same thing. She'll be more fun and drunk. So you never know. There's no reason why you can't re approach later.

Whatever you do not dance with one girl for too long hoping that she will change her mind and submit to you. She might later in the night but sticking with her is a waste of time. There are more stones to turn in clubs.

Thanks XXL, now I'm pretty sure I was cockblocked by my mindset about dancegame (I'm really new at game, a day after I don't care anymore). I followed your post in The Poland thread and others and I want to say thank you, really great stuff.

[cpark]

(06-04-2013 09:38 AM)S Vega Wrote:  

(06-04-2013 03:07 AM)capote Wrote:  

Its interesting how quickly and easily racial stereotypes go mainstream, especially in communities that are homogeneous and not cosmopolitan. I think this problem is more pronounced in countries like Poland, Germany etc. that have a relatively small percentage of immigrant/ethnic population. The ensuing xenophobia further isolates the immigrants from the locals, leading to more aggressive behavior by the former group.

Your description of attitudes towards turks/arabs matches the experience of my friend who recently visited Poland (Krakow) and was not treated warmly by the local chicas. He is Colombian but looks Arab, and didn't get much love in the clubs. Although when we were in Prague, some random Polish girls literally screamed in lust when they heard him speak Spanish. The poor fucker is still perplexed by the contrasting attitudes.

I'm telling you as an Arab myself, most of us act like jerks and what's been said previously and I can't really blame poles for the way they feel due to actions of the majority (and seen with my own eyes), it'll just be up to the lone wolves like me to hopefully change the mentality a bit!

@The Patrairch This is pretty true, my friend who's arab travelled to bulgaria and said the chicks he scored 99% of the time were Polish! There is that innate attraction for an Arab look, but what comes with the territory is generally unwanted.

It's interesting that you say this. I got a friend who is a typical Italian with dark skin and dark features. He looks so arab. When he visitied Poland, the girls there dug him a lot thinking he was arab. What's amazing is that Polish girls possess this subconscious attraction for arabic men.

The majority of Polish girls that I know living in the USA are either married to or are going out with men who are many shades darker than them. I want to visit Poland as soon as I save enough to afford it. Things are getting expensive here. I think travel cost to Poland is less during the Winter than in the Summer or Spring.

[Frank Mackey]

[/quote]
I agree with both but I was just curiosity: I already assumed I was getting home with blue balls (4am)
[/quote]

The two times I travelled in Poland, I was very pleased to know that I could make out with sexy girls almost every night. It was as easy as asking for a drink at the bar. I am a Mediterranean guy and I think my "suave" approach style adjusts very well to their standards.

However, I also confirm it was very hard to bang them in the same night. Actually I could not succeed in this, though the logistics were horrible at that time, since I was staying at a hostel, and had to convince them to spend the night at their place.

I guess what some experienced members are saying here is completely right: you probably need to delay the kissing (or at least the heavy make out and attempts to bang), and ask them for a date the next day. Kissing a Polish girl means really nothing, which indeed is something very awkward for a Mediterranean guy like me.

[Greek kamaki]

It is because they dance like this with several guys.It is considered normal dancing in Poland.One of my polish gfs in Greece told me her ex Greek boyfriend had forbidden her to go to the polish club in Athens probably for this reason.