[Enfant_Terrible]

dontuan, what was your answer to the "what're you doing here question?"

I ask because from reading Bang Poland and the info here, they're more keen to be pulled if you're staying longer term with some purpose other than going on a holiday or vacation.

If you did reveal you're on vacation to them, did you still pull?

Thanks for sharing, as an Asian guy I'm glad to read your experiences with Poland.

[bodmon]

roosh's poland posts and all of these poland forums are seriously motivating me to buy bang poland and then go and bang poland one day. i have 2 questions:

1. are there benefits to suiting up?

i remember roosh writing that in countries like iceland, norway, and lithuania the dudes have impeccable style so by suiting up you'd just be meeting a standard, not dominating it. would custom game give you an edge in poland, though?

2. how do indian guys do?

if there are any there. obviously i ask because i am one.

i should add however that though i'm indian, i have light skin and relatively sharp features so i often get mistaken for a middle easterner (persian, arab, turk, armenian), and in rare cases even a meditteranean (sicilian) or south american (mexican). so... i'm thinking that i if ever went there perhaps i could pretend to be someone of a spanish/hispanic descent? LOL. in any case this light skinned-ness prevents me from having pernicious indian race troll tendencies.

[Screwston]

(07-20-2012 12:58 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 12:31 PM)houston Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 07:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

Nonsense. Spanish guys are not highly desired as foreigner suitors.

In Poland they are top.



British is at the bottom.

So what's the truth? Latin fever in Poland or no?

That is what I keep hearing.

I think Mixx based his whole summer on that premise, if I remember correctly.

I think I have to see it for myself as well.

Yeah, I think any good looking Latin player won't have a hard time in a country where he sticks out in a good way. Tan skin and good looks is a deadly combination

[Deb Auchery]

(07-20-2012 07:11 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

Nonsense. Spanish guys are not highly desired as foreigner suitors.

In Poland they are top.



British is at the bottom.

Haha, it stands to reason that Poles and Brits hit it off with such a high Polish population in UK.

One thing I will say about the Spanish, they are nice people, but in gaming nice guys finish last, I'm a born bastard.

[Deb Auchery]

(07-20-2012 03:11 PM)Some guy Wrote:  

It seems that pretty much all of Europe hates the Brits...

No, Roosh just doesn't like Brits very much. I don't like Yanks that much, but I treat people on an individual basis wherever they are from. It's all fun as far as I'm concerned, Yanks are loud mouthed, badly dressed, inane fuckwits, and Brits are drunk, uncouth louts. So what, at the end of the day nationalality is pretty low down on the list for getting laid

[Greek kamaki]

When the Poles see the Spanish guys they do not worry.Because they know that just a breath of them will scare the Spanish away.Contrary to that the real fight starts when the Balkan guys appear.Because then there is a problem and polish guys can feel that.It is then when you will see punches,heavy pushing and cock attitude all over.

[jimukr104]

LOl, Lol
Deb your a riot. i usually lioke your posts and yes alot of what yuo say is always true.Though i am a troll and never speak and I have alot of experience in Ukraine. I own a flat there and have been married 10 years t oa 10 i met when i worked there years ago.
At the same time i fee lfrom readign posts here that alot of members are narcissistic and really have n oclue . Mind you things have changed in 10 years .But the truth is EATERN EUROPEANS actually like thier men better than anywhere else. Me and fellow expats learned this sad truth years ago. They lie to themselves wHEN THEY say otherwise.
As for stereotypes , well in kiev the American i met there , thoghu they do talk fast , making them sound loud , they were much better dressed than the BRITS. You see brits actually think being i nthe latest fashion is being best dress. Regardless of how actually ugly it looks, while Americans are more likely t odress i na suit or sport jacket or atleast a sharp black polo shirt and slacks. I swear i am known as a sharp dresser and the brits use to actually criticize my dress. Mind you the ladies always recognized how sharp and dapper i looked .it seems that if the fashion is t owear purple addidas wind breakers , the brits and other Europeans thin k that is the best dress,lol. It seemed looking classic was lsot to them .Mind you this is just an observation. But add it in with the yellow teeth from smoking and drinking in higher quantities than the Americans ,I think they are hardly a group to judge. Another thing is when ever you see the Americans overseas you generally do not see our best. Most successful dapper Americans do not even own a passport. I am from NYC so ofcourse I am bias, i admit a redneck guy from Alabama might look as you describe .Also American s have a better educationaL system , i know because i worked at NORD ANGLIA with Brits and system was a joke. Seriously, after working for a BRIT company , me and my fellow Americans really missed home and thought the Brits were less classy than us. so stereotypes work both ways . Oh and in a fair fight , i never seen a BRIT whip an American yet, regardless of how out of shape they are . SERIOUSLY, the BRITS i saw in ukraine were always 20 years younger than the AMERICANS so its not a great comparison. Its apples vs oranges. But i like you brits anyway. Alot of people need to just get game and stop worrying WHO girls like better. GIRLS like who ever makes them feel GREAT the best. If you can d othis then you will win out over any projected fantasies a girl has.Its always been that way, rules never changed .So game really is about DOING this , NOT worrying if your skin is .1% lighter or darker than a guy from MUHAHAHA land. As for the 2 hpotos you presented .Ofcourse the MODEL has the better body , But actually to be honest the second photo is more accurate and ,more importantly , accurate to who they like .Girls tend to be attracted to men who are somewhat similar to family members(ex. brother ,father). This is a psychology of attraction FACT. It stands t oreason that since most people in EASTERN european countries and mediterranean countires will attract to a slender guy. This is based o nthe fact that men tend to be leaner there .While German girls wil llike a bigger man. Itss no difference in AMERICA. I am slim and lean, athletic build . Have model looks. Look like a young John travolta. All the girls in eastern EUROPE use to flock to me. I d owill in NYC also, since its a fashion , professional city. However if i met a gir lfrom Texas she might not like my type. its obvious i am handsome in her eyes but being big boned herself she justifies t oherself that she is attracted to large males. Its partly her own insecurity, that makes her want a LARGE size guy. She doesnt want to be the big girl in the couple.
Now i use the word justify becasue ultimately it is her insecurity that has helepd shaped what shes attracted to but her fantasy says otherwise .AASK HER WH OTHE hot MOVIE STARS ARE SHE WILL STILL SAY JOHN TRAVOLTA ND THE CAST FROM THE OLD 90210(ALL LITTLE SHORT GUYS)What this says is women have both the fantasy i nthier head and what they choose at any particular moment. If i was you i would rather be the one at the particular moment. Its harder to fight thier fantasies. Even thier shrinks can not do it,lol.
I apologize from my long winded and misspelled writing. I am typing on a cell phone. I thoguht the perspective of a sucessfully married guy wh ouse to be an expat and comes fro ma family of models and night club owners can be of asssitance. GAME is not about having the look a girl likes , its about being the guy they want because they feel GOOD. Thats Game ,anything else is weak compensation. Now just to be clear ones appearance is part of GAME. looks and appearance are 2 different things. A person combs their hair, puts on good clothes etc, ca nhave a good appearance.

[polish rumble]

(07-21-2012 08:52 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Though i am a troll

I think that was the most interesting part from your whole post

[Deb Auchery]

I generally consider the worst dressed foreigners overseas to be the Americans, baseball caps, dockers, fleeces, wearing North Face gear like they're on an expedition to the antarctic, when in fact they are in the city.

I don't think Brits smoke more than Americans, although I can't deny Americans have the best teeth in the world. But then again the Ukrainians here often have teeth missing so us Brits look good

As for Ukraine, I very rarely find myself in the position where I have competition. Most of the foreigners I encounter are cheap backpackers, who are wearing waterproof trousers, merrels, and are usually just passing through. It takes a certain type of expat to live in Ukraine for an extended time, countries with a very low cost of living and pretty girls tend to attract some very "special" individuals. In Lvov it's like a freakshow, vagabonds, bitter old american/british guys. This can be confirmed with a trip to your local "English speaking club", it's like something out of "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest".

The Turks are hopeless cases they sit around in nightclubs at table ogling the girls but unable to do anything, they're not even having fun between themselves, just staring like they have never seen a woman before. Then they buy some fat girls drinks. Their game consists of telling them they have a cotton mill in Antalya and a house by the sea.

[dontuan]

(07-20-2012 03:46 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

1. are there benefits to suiting up?

You can dress up if you like, but most of the places where I meet girls are dance clubs, so it gets really hot and sweaty. I'd dress well, but comfortably because the dance floor is where you would be making it happen most of the time. If you have good dancing skills, you'll have a real advantage.

(07-20-2012 03:46 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

2. how do indian guys do?

I think it depends on the guy but I've seen some Indian guys with hot polish girls. The thing I would avoid is to show up to places with a big posse or else it'll look like you're there on vacation or for a bachelor party.

The bottom line:

Poland is can be a great place to get laid if you're willing to stay there for a while, at least a month. That way you can build up some leads, adjust to the surroundings, figure out the best spots for you to meet girls and set up some dates. My wingman was going out every night and making out with a ton of girls, but it was only around his third week that the sex really started flowing.

As for one night stands, I didn't have any yet but I met a girl at a club one night and two days later I came to her place and banged her. So it took a couple days, doesn't bother me at all. If you put in the work, eventually you'll get to harvest the fruits of your labor.

[dontuan]

(07-20-2012 03:27 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

dontuan, what was your answer to the "what're you doing here question?"

I ask because from reading Bang Poland and the info here, they're more keen to be pulled if you're staying longer term with some purpose other than going on a holiday or vacation.

I told them I was there for work and that I rented a room for a couple months to see how it goes. It's kind of a hedge in that it implies that I can potentially be here long term or I might stay, but there's a chance that I'll leave.

I wouldn't say I'm there on vacation. You might meet a girl who wants a quickie, but almost all of them would prefer someone would longer term potential.

[Smitty]

dontuan, I may have overlooked it in earlier posts but in what city city did you stay in Poland?

[Greek kamaki]

If you are experienced in slavic countries you do not need to stay in Poland more than a week.I mean if you speak polish and have already experience with polish girls and some cash to spend.One month is needed only if you want to rip the maximum of benefits.For example in one night in Poznan I got 5 phone numbers while having a girl locked in hotel room.If I stayed there one week I would bang 2 of these 5 because the rest would not be available in the city for logistics reasons(they often move outside to villages,other cities etc).In one month I would be close to 80%.If you get 5 numbers per night you see how it works.
To get one night stands you need to know to dance good.Dancing is my weak point so I could not escalate during dancing.All polish women in clubs ask you to dance with them after a while of talking to them.I had occasions when they danced grinded over other guys and came back to me for touching etc(these were here in Greek resorts).I am never afraid of polish guys approaching girls I talk to(not even of Greek or other foreign guys) because polish girls let me heighten the game in such a degree that everyone else coming as trailer will seem irrelevant.So the only way to block me is the violent action which seldom happens in Poland and only in cases you hit on the hottest girl in club.

My guess is that in Poland if you develop a reputation of pulling,violent action will come more often.I do not give wrong to the local guys since guys here also use every method available(there is no clear game of who has more attraction).
If you do not have good dancing skills you need to be a real shark to control the girls while they dance with other guys in the dance floor while simultaneously playing in the periphery.But it can seldom happen that you lose a girl because another guy dances with her and takes her from you.If you are really good she will come back.In this case I have noticed that Greek guys do not give up like polish guys.They will energetically grab the girl and pull her back to the dance floor when they see her getting back to you.They want to create tension.Polish guys not so much.So there is no real fight or increase of girls value by competition.

[dontuan]

(07-22-2012 09:57 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

If you are experienced in slavic countries you do not need to stay in Poland more than a week.I mean if you speak polish and have already experience with polish girls and some cash to spend.One month is needed only if you want to rip the maximum of benefits.

You might be right, but that's not what I'm seeing here. And I'm talking about pulling a girl that's a 7 and above. It's not hard to lay anything lower than a 6, and that's true in any country. There's a lot of hook-ups, but not so many SNLs.

(07-22-2012 09:57 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

To get one night stands you need to know to dance good.Dancing is my weak point so I could not escalate during dancing.All polish women in clubs ask you to dance with them after a while of talking to them.

Yes being a good dancer helps a lot. It always does when you're at a dance club. The girls love dancing and they love a good dancer. It's more of a pop/hip hop/dance music scene here. Hardly any rock or techno places. So it's easier to seduce if you got moves and can grind and spin them.

Finally,

During the month I been here, I've banged two girls and made out with around 10. I also work eight hours a day so it's hard to go at it full force. Some guys would probably do better than me and a lot of guys will do worse. I'm only trying to give an accurate, realistic assessment of my experience and what I see is happening with the girls in Poland. Hopefully, people find it practical and helpful. Also keep in mind that its also summer, so there would be a lot more girls once school starts again.

I do recommend guys visit Poland. The girls are friendly and pretty. And if you stay a while, you'll reap the rewards of your efforts.

[jimukr104]

" generally consider the worst dressed foreigners overseas to be the Americans, baseball caps, dockers, fleeces, wearing North Face gear like they're on an expedition to the antarctic, when in fact they are in the city. "

Like I said , i am going back in time. To be honest, i never saw any American backpackers 10 years ago in ukraine.I think when they got rid of the visa and invitation letters to get in ,things probly went downhill. The sex tourists and backpackers started coming. 10 years ago I wil lsay that msot of the expat friends I knew wh owere Americans were pretty sharp .But then again, I am talking about a time when most expats were highly paid executives. My example of brits was based on the fac that most of the language schools were emplying brits and they dressed basically down. But a key difference was age. The American expats would generally date hotties, while the English teachers had cute,pretty girls, most likely students. Executive expats probly had the MONEY to pull it off. And American s have a high rate of smoking no doubt, but the Euro expats outsmoked them 2 t o1 atleast, this is 10 years ago.
As for the Turks , i actually lost a girl t oone once .he bought the family a home in the village. he was a embassy worker and bought the families affections,lol.
i liked kiev alot. i think it was the best city becasue ,though, a capital, half the girls walking the streets came in from the province cities. the provinces are hard due to language ability.
Odessa is the worst place. its a city that isnt impressed by your foreign status. They never were. Tourists and sailors been going there for over a century. The girls are more worldly there than any place in Ukraine or Russia for that matter. Rich Russians from Moscow have always owned flats and homes there. The girls there all baqsically have a game , its about being freindly and seeign how much money they can get you to spend on them. Alot of rich girls who will not have anything to do with you ,it leaves the scammers. I hate the city but i own a 3 roo m flat there becasue my wife wanted to go back and forth once. Just s oyou knw if you meet a Odessan i nanother city ,good chance she isnt like other Odessans and you have a shot at a great girl. If i am ever in my flat again give me a holla, i got an extra room, ill show you the scene. If i was single i would do Kiev, and maybe lviv. I found western ukrainian girls t obe very friendly t o foreigners and lviv actually had a alrge amount of english speakers for a city that size. Makes sense being that there are a bunch of western language schools there . And yuor method of approach seems t obe what we used 10 years ago. Its a number game, 20 seconds of raw courage to talk to strangers will get you alot of numbers. if girl says no ,you meet another one 10 seconds later. The club scene was insane 10 years ago. There was certain clubs where every girl was looking for an expat and we were outnumbered by these women wh oall spoke english. Alot were whores as welll, but bac kthen escorts were cheaper then dinner ,so it was insane.
Polish girls were WAY friendly back then and fun. Glad t osee nothing has changed .And they likied both Americans and brits back then. I remember every conversation with one lead to her saying" i have family inNYC " and they were also more passionate then the ukrainians back then. Openminded maybe better word?
polish rumble
"I think that was the most interesting part from your whole post"
you are probly absolutely correct .However, becasue you have no clue as to otherstuff written, you wil lnever be a real or successful player with real game. I do not know anything about you. But i can say growing up in NYC from a family that ran and owned night clubs,I ca npersonally say i had more knowledge about HOT females by the age of 9 then you have now. Yes , i was able t ofind my perfect soulmate at the age of 28 , becasue i had soo much experience dating and picking up girls that i knew wHT I WANTED AND DIDNT WANT .I also knew what it took to get the kind of chicks i wanted. i was dating eastern europeans since junior high school. I was pi ssed at their Americanization so when i had a shot a traveling and being an expat in FSu i jumped at the chance. i have no regrets. i made alot of money , lived an exciting life and i am retired since the age of 37. my father aloowed me to co run alot of his night clubs and I learned alot, from him. i ca n honestly say that the AGED can teach us alot about the art of seduction,etc, an art they think our geenration has lost.

[Icarus]

(07-22-2012 03:45 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

The sex tourists and backpackers started coming. 10 years ago I wil lsay that msot of the expat friends I knew wh owere Americans were pretty sharp .But then again, I am talking about a time when most expats were highly paid executives. My example of brits was based on the fac that most of the language schools were emplying brits and they dressed basically down.

Is jimukr104 the great Great Books for Men (GBFM)? His spelling makes me lozzlzlzlzl!

[jimukr104]

sorry , like i said i am using a phone, not a smart phone either, its smal wap screen.
Is jimukr104 the great Great Books for Men (GBFM)? His spelling makes me lozzlzlzlzl!
[/quote]

[Icarus]

(07-22-2012 06:05 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

sorry , like i said i am using a phone, not a smart phone either, its smal wap screen.

You wrote all that from a (non-smart) cell phone? Respect!

[polish rumble]

(07-22-2012 03:45 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

polish rumble
"I think that was the most interesting part from your whole post"
you are probly absolutely correct .However, becasue you have no clue as to otherstuff written, you wil lnever be a real or successful player with real game. I do not know anything about you. But i can say growing up in NYC from a family that ran and owned night clubs,I ca npersonally say i had more knowledge about HOT females by the age of 9 then you have now. Yes , i was able t ofind my perfect soulmate at the age of 28 , becasue i had soo much experience dating and picking up girls that i knew wHT I WANTED AND DIDNT WANT .I also knew what it took to get the kind of chicks i wanted. i was dating eastern europeans since junior high school. I was pi ssed at their Americanization so when i had a shot a traveling and being an expat in FSu i jumped at the chance. i have no regrets. i made alot of money , lived an exciting life and i am retired since the age of 37. my father aloowed me to co run alot of his night clubs and I learned alot, from him. i ca n honestly say that the AGED can teach us alot about the art of seduction,etc, an art they think our geenration has lost.

Cool story, seems legit, it seems that you are one of the most wise and experienced players here, why don't you share some of you wisdom with us? You are so wealthy and you can't afford a smartphone and you are using wap screen? I think we got a troll alert here.

[jimukr104]

"Cool story, seems legit, it seems that you are one of the most wise and experienced players here, why don't you share some of you wisdom with us? You are so wealthy and you can't afford a smartphone and you are using wap screen? I think we got a troll alert here. "

LOL, Actually i got rid of the iphone when i retired. My wife didn't think i need a cell phone, sinse according to her WE are always together .She had a point, my phone was mostly to talk to co workers or t oher.The wap phone is for car emergencies. And expect for loving the games o nthe iphone ,even if iwas single i will never buy an expensive phone just to impress GIRLS. I am frugal ,i buy thingsthat have value. Phones do not have value(they usually break orget lost after a few months) other tha nthe use i get out of it. Like i said my love of iphone was due to being able to play games. i had alot of downtime. BABO CRASH was awesome! The phone i use now is size of a credit card, and just as slim, its perfect for my pockets.

[EU Explorer]

(07-20-2012 03:11 PM)Some guy Wrote:  

It seems that pretty much all of Europe hates the Brits...

From experience the Dutch, Swedes, Norweigans and Germans like us but yes aside of those countries the rest of the EU are not keen. The Football hooligans and brits behavoir on holiday is a lot of the historic problem in my opinion. Having said that I was in Wroclaw last week and got a very warm reception from the locals (but I am polite and well behaved)

[dontuan]

Hey guys, so i mentioned earlier that Poland doesn't really have a one night stand culture and in general it doesn't happen that often. But I just had an SNL last night. Actually it took until 9 in the morning to finally get her in my room and fully undressed, but technically it still counts.

If I can give any words of wisdom from this experience, stock your fridge with vodka and find girls who like vodka. And ask if they want to do an afterparty at your place.

If you want more information, message me privately.

[Greek kamaki]

It is difficult to believe what you say.A lot of what you wrote has already been written by others.You do not add sth hardcore.What are the news? That some easy polish girls like vodka? We have already covered that.

[dontuan]

Part #2

I was in Poland last summer and now I'm back in Poland to get a taste of what its like during the school year. In my opinion, Summer is actually better to pull girls than spring. To explain why, here are some of my observations:

Positives

More girls. There are definitely a lot more girls around to hit on when school is in session. It's definitely a boon for day game as many places will be target rich.

Negatives

Weather isn't so great. It was mildly warm for most of the summer. But so far the days have been hit and miss. Half the time it's nice, the other half it's rainy and cold. I've even caught a cold and felt under the weather most of the time.

Lots of girls, but they also get a lot more attention, especially students. I remember fondly on last summer when I was one of the few foreigners around. But because of the damn erasmus students who flood the city from Spain, Italy and other places alike it's not only crazy competitive but girls are swimming in validation every time they go out. Girls are approached and dance with over 10 guys a night, even the so-so ones. Sadly this isn't balanced out by an influx of foreign girls. I only met a handful of female erasmus students. It makes sense since most girls wouldn't want to study in Poland.

Big groups and mixed sets. Because of the college scene a lot of girls form fairly sizable social circles, which include guys. This wasn't really the case during the summer when it was more chill and I saw mostly pairs going out. If you're rolling solo it'll be harder to pull from these sets.

Massive cockblocking. With these social groups, you'll get shit from obstructionists, especially their bitchy friends and Polish guys. Last summer, I don't recall once being challenged. But now, I've had at least 5 times where polish guys try to fight me just because I was approaching girls. The hostility meter is through the roof.

No Polish tourists. Some of the most enthusiastic receptive girls last year were the ones from small towns passing through to have fun. They almost never encounter foreigners so figure out this one for yourself. But this time around they are nonexistent because they're probably in their city studying or working.

In short, it's definitely feeling like much more of a grind than last summer when I was getting a lot more love from the locals and my exotic factor was at atmospheric heights. That said, there are some advantages and a path toward decent success and lays.

While the college girls get a lot of love, the slightly older working girls are bored out of their minds. The 24 and up set was always happy to meet a foreign dude. They're no longer part of the student set and the guys who might hit on them are boring or too young. They can appreciate the value of a mature cultured man vs. the ephemeral-minded school chicks. They are also quicker to bang and less likely to tease. These are probably the best targets as they never flake and having a connection with them actually means something.

Day game should also be fruitful. You'll meet girls who might not party as much and so aren't constantly being grinded on by clubbing guys. And like I said there will be many more targets.

Either way, whether it's summer, spring or any time of the year the name of the game is about sorting through girls. Unlike in the states, almost all Polish girls at the club will dance with random guys that approach them. Many of them will touch you and show the kind of affection that will make you feel like a million bucks. So the trick is to figure out and hone in which ones are serious about banging versus the flirts who are just wasting your time.

Now some of you might say I should man up and run superb game so I can close with every opportunity I get, which can be the case at times. We call can get better. But me and other guys here have recalled countless instances where a girl wasted 3 or 4 hours of your night only to reveal later that she has a boyfriend. Actually those are the most eager to have a flirtatious interlude with a foreigner, only to eject at the last second when its time to close the deal.

I'd even say the sorting mentality makes the most sense when you consider the odds. I mean why waste three or four hours on a girl who is sober and takes a fair amount of kindling, only to have her yanked away by her buddies at the last minute when you can rummage through all that and get one who's good to go. So my advice is to not go down that rabbit hole and fall under their spell. That's the most important thing!

[samsamsam]

dontuan, thanks for sharing. Really appreciate it. So it sounds like I actually have to do some work lol