[Vicious]

One thing I'm not into though. What's up with Thai kissing. It takes all about 5 sec from lips first touching before I have a tounge all the way down my throat.

[NewToPUA]

(04-26-2012 06:34 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

Yeah I was talking with clr about the very same thing today. You have to pace yourself with the partying or this town will chew you up.

Ya, tell me about it. I am so beat right now its unbelievable. I think I may just have to make tonight a movie night with one of the chicks i met so I can recover a bit.

And yes I am not entirely fond of their aggressive kissing either. It is just too damn sloppy - although the fact that it is 4 am after a night of heavy drinking may contribute.

[AlphaTravel]

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Where are you guys typically going out? I have been to Bangkok for about 5 days and I can echo the sentiment that paying for sex is unnecessary but I suppose the only sure thing (i have not done it yet - i feel too dirty haha). I have found that most thai girls actually like foreigners but can also be pretty conservative so a ons with a non-working girl is most certainly not guaranteed. I have brought home a chick 3/5 nights I have been here but only had sex with one of them. Almost always when you meet girls they are trying to position themselves for a longer-term relationship and not casual sex. That is why I agree the key is to go to late night clubs as your chances are much higher (all but one pull have been from after hours spots). I have personally found safe house to be pretty cool.

I've been out to many places from thai ska, blues and trance bars / clubs in kowsan area (it's kowsan but no farangs) to after hour whore clubs in sukhumvit to HiSo places in Ekkamai and Thong Lor and student areas like RCA, Ratchetewi etc.

If I chick comes back home with me I've always fucked her, I can't see why she'd go back to your room if she wasn't interested in sex with you there and then. The stereotype of Thai girls not having same night sex or one night stands I haven't found to be true. Some I've fucked on the first date / night and when I've tried to get back in touch with them they have not responded. It's supposed to be me doing the pumping and dumping!

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I think the biggest obstacle I have found is just the conservative nature of many girls here. One of the first questions I get asked by girls is do I work here, how long will I be here, etc. I think it makes it a lot more difficult because I only plan to be here until May 17. Out of curiosity, How do you guys address this question?

Pom pak yoo krun thep, remember it! It means I live in Bangkok and when you say it in Thai it sounds more convincing. It's partially true for me, I'm out in Asia for 5 months and most of the past 3 have been in BKK, when back from Cambodia I'll spend the rest of my time there. If they ask what you do say freelance online (I don't know that Thai for that, conductor can you translate in karaoke English for me please?) or work 6 months at home and spend 6 months abroad. I never got round to getting an apartment so just stay at a hotel and I thought it might hinder me or make my story less believable but I either say I've only been in BKK a short while and haven't found one yet, I just travelled round Thailand for 2 months and will start looking for one or I prefer a hotel as I don't want the hassle of cleaning my apartment, at the hotel it's done for me. No problems.

If here for just a short time hitting tagged.com and some of the dating sites, OKCupid and POF is what I used, to pipeline before hand would have been a good bet. I did that, had 6 dates with 6 different girls in my first week and bedded 5 of them. Things slowed down afterwards as I pretty much stopped bothering with internet dating after the first week, with all the girls I was meeting at clubs, in the malls, street etc it seemed pointless even though it had good results. The unknown factor of meeting a girl who could have posted old / fake pics, not be as nice in person, a ladyboy etc makes no sense when you're meeting girls all the time on the ground.

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Overall I think if you lived here it would be absolute paradise. I am probably getting a 95% hit rate with girls asking for numbers, and as an average looking guy with minimal game I am getting a lot of looks both on the street and at the clubs I go to. Although this is good, the fact that I am partying so much (I sleep until 4-5 everyday) and only here for a short time I do not really have the drive to actually date these girls haha

I don't think I've ever had a Thai girl who I've asked refuse to give me her number and I'm no Brad Pitt nor do I study pick up. It means little though, they give numbers out easily to avoid confrontation, it's the Thai way. Many of those girls will never text me back though or the date will never materialise. With some they will tell me they can meet on a certain night but if I say I already have plans for that night and attempt to rearrange it doesn't happen. Partying too much will definitely fuck you up, there's just so much temptation, by week 2 I was burnt out. Didn't recover properly from jetlag, hadn't slept properly and was out dating and partying too much. Had to slow down big time.

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One thing I'm not into though. What's up with Thai kissing. It takes all about 5 sec from lips first touching before I have a tounge all the way down my throat.

Thai girls cannot kiss. It's pretty terrible most of the time though some of my regular girls have improved overtime with some instruction. They tend to just wiggle their tongue around like crazy as if they can't control it and many have small lips so it's hard to get a good kissing session going. They don't seem to know what they are doing much. A lot of them tell me they love to kiss me / I'm a good kisser and I wouldn't have rated myself as great at it.

[NewToPUA]

(04-26-2012 10:05 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

If I chick comes back home with me I've always fucked her, I can't see why she'd go back to your room if she wasn't interested in sex with you there and then. The stereotype of Thai girls not having same night sex or one night stands I haven't found to be true. Some I've fucked on the first date / night and when I've tried to get back in touch with them they have not responded. It's supposed to be me doing the pumping and dumping!

Ya I usually do honestly. One night I honestly was just too drunk. I probably could have sealed on her if I wanted to.

The second time it was with an 18 year old college student that I met from thaifriendly who was really hot but also very prude and shy. She honestly probably would not have gone back with me but she lost the key to her apartment (she got very tipsy that evening). I got all the way to groping her pretty heavily when she told me was a virgin and she put up lmr. I will be hanging out with her though when she gets back to bkk.

[Vicious]

Indian dude that clr and I meet earlier in the week went total ape fuck crazy last night and managed to draw some heavy security and get himself thrown out from Insomnia. We had gone to two places before that was total sausage parties so the odds were really stacked against us with regard to gaming. In spite of everything I had some successful shoring. I did have to promise breakfast and taxi money for her friends that were staying in her apartment however so I feel I diverted from my code somewhat, not sure how I feel about that yet (we're talking 300B). She certainly didn't lack for enthusiasm though. She's still sleeping, snapped a sneak pic for my private collection. Holy shit she can snore though...

I guess I will make up my mind about what I just did by how she acts when she wakes up.

[NewToPUA]

(04-26-2012 09:55 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Indian dude that clr and I meet earlier in the week went total ape fuck crazy last night and managed to draw some heavy security and get himself thrown out from Insomnia. We had gone to two places before that was total sausage parties so the odds were really stacked against us with regard to gaming. In spite of everything I had some successful shoring. I did have to promise breakfast and taxi money for her friends that were staying in her apartment however so I feel I diverted from my code somewhat, not sure how I feel about that yet (we're talking 300B). She certainly didn't lack for enthusiasm though. She's still sleeping, snapped a sneak pic for my private collection. Holy shit she can snore though...

I guess I will make up my mind about what I just did by how she acts when she wakes up.

What do you guys feel about buying girls drinks? I think I got into a situation similar to your own (although I do not think she is a hooker). Basically the girl that I slept with two days ago decided she wanted to go out rather than watch a movie. At first I was fine with it and what not, but she brought over a friend and expected me to pay for bottle service for them. I ended up doing it at the first club, but they then wanted me to do it at the after hours club too and I got cold feet and just left (I did not want to drop over 6k baht in one night).

In hindsight I wish I would have considering there was no way we would have finished it anyways (we only killed 1/2 the first bottle so I checked it) - and honestly I think maybe its just cultural here that the guy buys the drinks? Also she was suggesting that her friend wanted to sleep over at my apartment too and likely could have orchestrated a threesome. But you live and learn I suppose.

Either way though its no big deal because the virgin is coming back to bkk and she wants to hang out, so hopefully I can seal the deal on her tonight.

[RichieP]

Ya if she suggests going out, then brings a friend and expects bottle service, thats taking advantage IMO.

Yeah it is cultural that guys pay for EVERYTHING here, dinner, drinks, cinema etc, but you can kinda tell when they're deliberately pushing it too far.

I'd basically pay for her for anything I suggest doing, because likely she cant really afford it. If she suggests expensive things, and especially brings friends... yeah I would walk like you did.

[AlphaTravel]

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In spite of everything I had some successful shoring. I did have to promise breakfast and taxi money for her friends that were staying in her apartment however so I feel I diverted from my code somewhat, not sure how I feel about that yet (we're talking 300B). She certainly didn't lack for enthusiasm though. She's still sleeping, snapped a sneak pic for my private collection. Holy shit she can snore though...

I guess I will make up my mind about what I just did by how she acts when she wakes up.

So you went back to her apartment, her friends were there and you had to give them money to take a taxi to leave? I don't think that's too bad. I'm interested in what happened this morning though and whether you had any requests from her for money, I've had girls I've shored ask for taxi money then request 1000B.

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What do you guys feel about buying girls drinks? I think I got into a situation similar to your own (although I do not think she is a hooker). Basically the girl that I slept with two days ago decided she wanted to go out rather than watch a movie. At first I was fine with it and what not, but she brought over a friend and expected me to pay for bottle service for them. I ended up doing it at the first club, but they then wanted me to do it at the after hours club too and I got cold feet and just left (I did not want to drop over 6k baht in one night).

In hindsight I wish I would have considering there was no way we would have finished it anyways (we only killed 1/2 the first bottle so I checked it) - and honestly I think maybe its just cultural here that the guy buys the drinks? Also she was suggesting that her friend wanted to sleep over at my apartment too and likely could have orchestrated a threesome. But you live and learn I suppose.

I don't mind buying some drinks if I feel the girl isn't taking advantage, in this case it sounds like she was. The threesome hint was probably dropped in to keep you buying them. How did the subject of bottle service come up? She straight out asked you to or did you offer and they didn't contribute to the bill?

Most of the girls I see don't like me to pay for everything and will contribute even if it's only to split the bill for dinner or the first few rounds. I think that's good because I can tell they're not just looking for a free night out but I also know they aren't exactly rich either so I don't mind so much if later on in the night it's mostly me paying for the drinks. Some girls will split everything 50/50 and others won't contribute at all. I tend not to bother with the girls who don't pay anything after the first date, especially if they didn't put out.

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yeah it is cultural that guys pay for EVERYTHING here, dinner, drinks, cinema etc, but you can kinda tell when they're deliberately pushing it too far.

I'd basically pay for her for anything I suggest doing, because likely she cant really afford it. If she suggests expensive things, and especially brings friends... yeah I would walk like you did.

It's not really that the guys expected to pay for everything, it's the person with the most status / wealth of the group is expected to take care of his/her guests but many Thai girls (at least the ones I deal with) don't think just because you're a foreigner that you should pay everything for them and certainly wouldn't bring out their friends for a free night out. I play it by ear on a case by case basis, if when the bill for dinner and drinks come she goes to get cash I split the bill with her, if she doesn't make any move to pay then I'll just pay it and see what she does for the rest of the night. Often girls will offer to buy the first round but then maybe only pay for every few rounds after that or not at all, I've had some who paid for dinner, drinks, the lot as they said I was their guest. So there's not really any standard, it differs from girl to girl, from date to date. Don't think you have to pay for everything or it's cultural to do so. Just see how it pans out.

If I want to meet a girl I'll usually say "I'm heading out to X on Wed night, you can join me if you like" rather than frame it as a date meaning there's less pressure on me to pick up the tab as they are just joining me on something I was already doing.

[clr]

I have been saying I am here for Muay thai(so I dont look like a sex tourist) telling them I am here for an undetermined amount of time and this is my first trip and I am deciding of I want to move here. so good on so many levels, and I'm not lying. I hate to lie

So go on a second date, you will probably get the lay. I think girl will often use that as a test. Many girls can be snl'ed but often it's not how good you are, it's also circumstances and where they are in their own heads.

Depends on your goals, my goal is rarely to get laid, usually it's to have a lot of fun. Often that ends up in sex, but that's not the goal.

[NewToPUA]

(04-27-2012 01:47 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

I don't mind buying some drinks if I feel the girl isn't taking advantage, in this case it sounds like she was. The threesome hint was probably dropped in to keep you buying them. How did the subject of bottle service come up? She straight out asked you to or did you offer and they didn't contribute to the bill?

Most of the girls I see don't like me to pay for everything and will contribute even if it's only to split the bill for dinner or the first few rounds. I think that's good because I can tell they're not just looking for a free night out but I also know they aren't exactly rich either so I don't mind so much if later on in the night it's mostly me paying for the drinks. Some girls will split everything 50/50 and others won't contribute at all. I tend not to bother with the girls who don't pay anything after the first date, especially if they didn't put out.

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yeah it is cultural that guys pay for EVERYTHING here, dinner, drinks, cinema etc, but you can kinda tell when they're deliberately pushing it too far.

I'd basically pay for her for anything I suggest doing, because likely she cant really afford it. If she suggests expensive things, and especially brings friends... yeah I would walk like you did.

It's not really that the guys expected to pay for everything, it's the person with the most status / wealth of the group is expected to take care of his/her guests but many Thai girls (at least the ones I deal with) don't think just because you're a foreigner that you should pay everything for them and certainly wouldn't bring out their friends for a free night out. I play it by ear on a case by case basis, if when the bill for dinner and drinks come she goes to get cash I split the bill with her, if she doesn't make any move to pay then I'll just pay it and see what she does for the rest of the night. Often girls will offer to buy the first round but then maybe only pay for every few rounds after that or not at all, I've had some who paid for dinner, drinks, the lot as they said I was their guest. So there's not really any standard, it differs from girl to girl, from date to date. Don't think you have to pay for everything or it's cultural to do so. Just see how it pans out.

If I want to meet a girl I'll usually say "I'm heading out to X on Wed night, you can join me if you like" rather than frame it as a date meaning there's less pressure on me to pick up the tab as they are just joining me on something I was already doing.

Honestly the question about how it was brought up...... it is hard to answer, but I do think she was taking advantage. The first time she did not really ask for it but it was kind of implied. Basically she took a table by where everyone else had bottle service and she gave me a menu - that had bottle service and cocktails. I chose to get the bottle at that point to not look cheap. The second time she straight up asked and I said I was tired and left.

To be perfectly blunt her english is not that great. The first time I brought her home was from safe house (afterhours club in ekkimai) and we were REALLY drunk so the language barrier was not much of an issue. This time around it was a far bigger issue. I think she actually asked if her friend could come on the phone too but due to buzzy reception and her accent it was difficult to make out what she was saying (i just said yes come over repeatedly haha).

I think the reason she asked if her friend could stay over at my place was because she lived pretty far away and likely would not have wanted to take a taxi home.

[AlphaTravel]

Sounds like she was taking advantage but it's hard to say as it's perfectly normal for Thais to have a bottle, if they go out in a group they get a bottle, usually of whisky, and some ice, coke and soda. So getting a bottle isn't that unusual, bringing a friend along, expecting you to pay for it and then asking you to buy another later on is a different story.

If she was in Safe House she probably wasn't a pro, I've yet to go to that club but Ekkamai / Thong Lor area isn't exactly sex tourist / pro territory. I would imagine the crowd in the club was more towards the HiSo end (people from Funky Villa, Muse etc) so the girls wouldn't likely be poor and could contribute to the bill if they wanted.

I don't get your logic with her bringing a friend along the second time you met her and went out on a date though. Why would your girl living far away and not wanting to take a taxi home mean she needed a friend with her? She knows you'd have no problem with her staying at yours if she's already stayed there after Safe House and bringing a friend would mean she'd fuck things up for herself if she wanted sex. I think this girl is taking advantage, invite her over in a couple of days, not for dinner, not for drinks or nights out just her alone to come over and watch a movie. If she's not up for it cut her off as she's probably taking advantage.

[AlphaTravel]

Bangkok rooftop day time pool parties: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4...=1&theater

[NewToPUA]

(04-27-2012 08:01 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Sounds like she was taking advantage but it's hard to say as it's perfectly normal for Thais to have a bottle, if they go out in a group they get a bottle, usually of whisky, and some ice, coke and soda. So getting a bottle isn't that unusual, bringing a friend along, expecting you to pay for it and then asking you to buy another later on is a different story.

If she was in Safe House she probably wasn't a pro, I've yet to go to that club but Ekkamai / Thong Lor area isn't exactly sex tourist / pro territory. I would imagine the crowd in the club was more towards the HiSo end (people from Funky Villa, Muse etc) so the girls wouldn't likely be poor and could contribute to the bill if they wanted.

I don't get your logic with her bringing a friend along the second time you met her and went out on a date though. Why would your girl living far away and not wanting to take a taxi home mean she needed a friend with her? She knows you'd have no problem with her staying at yours if she's already stayed there after Safe House and bringing a friend would mean she'd fuck things up for herself if she wanted sex. I think this girl is taking advantage, invite her over in a couple of days, not for dinner, not for drinks or nights out just her alone to come over and watch a movie. If she's not up for it cut her off as she's probably taking advantage.

Ya she is a college chick but not a hiso chick although I think she has some hiso friends as she introduced me to some girls that seem more affluent. Honestly it should not be that hard to close on her again as she still talks to me a lot and I brought her home once. The only problem is the language barrier is incredibly annoying.

[NewToPUA]

Well last night was interesting. How far would you guys go to get laid? The virgin who stayed over but I could not close with messaged me yesterday saying she loved me and is in a 6 year relationship with a thai guy that moved overseas last year. She told me she wants to break up with him for me. Have you guys dealt with this before? I think I am going to let her down nicely because I think she wants something far more serious than I can give.

On another note thank for the advice about scratch dogs. Picked up some Laos chick and brought her home. Unfortunately she was on her period though so will have to go all the way next time.

[WanderingSoul]

Thai girls fall in love crazy quick. They are all stage 5 clingers. I wouldn't have her break it off with her current BF just to pop her cherry. Too shady for me to do.

Did you roll to Scratch Dog solo?

[NewToPUA]

(04-28-2012 03:24 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Thai girls fall in love crazy quick. They are all stage 5 clingers. I wouldn't have her break it off with her current BF just to pop her cherry. Too shady for me to do.

Did you roll to Scratch Dog solo?

Ya I think it is too shady for me to do also. I think I will tell her I like her but cannot promise anything serious and see how she takes it.

Ya i rolled solo. But I met two fairly good looking girls outside and said they could roll to my table and I just got a bottle since it was fairly cheap at like 1600 baht (wanted some social proof when i rolled in haha) - honestly its kinda an afc move but I was drunk and $70 usd is so cheap for bottle service. I gave up on them though because although one was into me I did not get a good vibe from her (she seemed lower class and probably a semi-pro). I picked up the laos chick later in the night by the dj booth (definitely not a semi-pro because she bought me drinks and refused cab money today). She wants me to go to the pool party today too but 7 days of going out straight is starting to take a toll on my body.

[Vicious]

I might check out that pool party over a drink. Muslim girl is cooking for me later though so it'll be brief. Is there a cover?

[NewToPUA]

(04-28-2012 03:45 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I might check out that pool party over a drink. Muslim girl is cooking for me later though so it'll be brief. Is there a cover?

No idea. I cannot make it I just feel too heinous right now - I am finally hitting the wall of what my body can take. I have some american friends who are getting back to BKK today and I think they know of a good party tonight. I will post it here when I hear about it.

[AlphaTravel]

Thai / SE Asian girls can get ideas in their head very quickly, straight after I fucked one she was talking about us having a serious relationship. I had literally just shot my load and we'd only met 3hrs earlier. I would just say that you're not sure how long you'll be around for so can't make promises on you and her getting serious, she'll probably still fuck you if you play it right. She'll be lonely her boyfriend is abroad now.

All this talk about different clubs, thai women etc has got me so excited for coming back to BKK on Monday. Phnom Penh just does not come close to BKK.

[NewToPUA]

(04-28-2012 05:15 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Thai / SE Asian girls can get ideas in their head very quickly, straight after I fucked one she was talking about us having a serious relationship. I had literally just shot my load and we'd only met 3hrs earlier. I would just say that you're not sure how long you'll be around for so can't make promises on you and her getting serious, she'll probably still fuck you if you play it right. She'll be lonely her boyfriend is abroad now.

All this talk about different clubs, thai women etc has got me so excited for coming back to BKK on Monday. Phnom Penh just does not come close to BKK.

Just wanted to give you a heads up about an interesting new late night club. I went out with some club promoters from bkk, and they brought us to a late night place called the Whip. It seems to be less well known and almost exclusively thai people and I do not think I met one working girl there. It is located in the Thong Lor area.

Overall its huge and there was a lot of talent/opportunity here. Further it seems to have a far more gritty atmosphere to it. On the flip side though the girls did seem a lot more defensive with westerners and there were ladyboy's there. I had success with a few girls but they lost interest when I said I did not work there. I think I am going to try it again and say I am either studying or working there. I think my biggest obstacle is that I do not really like lying to girls about working there - although I will continue to work on it.

[AlphaTravel]

I've heard of Whip but never been, on the to do list. Your best best is to say you live and work here, I've seen how much difference it makes. I've tried many different angles and the "pom pak yoo krun thep" line works a treat as long as your story is straight and you can tell them why you live here, what you do for work, why you chose thailand etc. Lie is you need to mate, for me it's not really a lie as I have been basically living in BKK. One problem I've had is the question of why I don't have an apartment (I travelled around a bit and was very lazy too + fed up of people trying to charge me double what my thai friends were quoted when they called) and am staying in a hotel. I come up with decent answers and for some of the girls it's not a problem they buy it, others seem more suspicious. I think with my language skills, knowledge of BKK and if I had an apartment in an OK area that I would be doing even better than I am now and I have no complaints about how I'm doing at the moment.

[bface]

How are the BKK girls compared to the CM girls? I'm getting annoyed at the girls up here...

Want to do about 10 days of pure partying before going home, but might go to Koh Samui and hit on tourists...

[AlphaTravel]

I couldn't find much happening in CM midweek, where as in BKK you can find something happening every night of the week so you've got options every night of the week. I'm more of a fan of BKK than I am in CM which I found quite boring.

[NewToPUA]

(04-29-2012 06:23 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

I couldn't find much happening in CM midweek, where as in BKK you can find something happening every night of the week so you've got options every night of the week. I'm more of a fan of BKK than I am in CM which I found quite boring.

Well I have to say I had a pretty awkward date last night. It seems that somehow my iphone calls were being forwarded to a girl that I had a one night stand with last week. I am not totally sure if she did it, or if I was somehow so drunk that I accidentally did it. Needless to say, the girl I met from thailfriendly said she talked with the chick for like 10-15 minutes and the chick was talking about how big of a playboy I was and how many girlfriends I had (maybe she got a lot of calls meant for me?). The good news is the chick on the date did not care because she wanted to learn english and is moving to the United States. I think the biggest obstacle with her is going to be the fact that she is very conservative - she does not even drink alcohol.

I am just curious as to which night this phone forwarding happened, and possibly, how many opportunities this screwed up for me. The fact that I got 3 calls from chicks I met this weekend today, all asking me to meet them tonight makes me think I may have blown a few opportunities last week because of this.

And to the poster above, definitely go to bkk for 10 days. You will literally find insane clubs every night. I was out my first 7 days, and I had my first off night last night. Everynight you could find packed clubs, and after hours clubs. Further, I have been talking to quite a few college chicks and I think a lot of them are just finishing up with school for the semester. As a result they are all going out like every night now. Also, you can find girls pretty easily here too (although some may be questionably semi-pros). Some girls are pretty conservative (namely the wealthy ones), but if you go for middle-class thais - maybe middle-lower class, you can find girls down for ons's. I am average looking, with basic game, (although I do dress very well for my age), and I have had very good luck here.

[AlphaTravel]

Yep the middle class to middle lower class are my prime targets and who I do best with and enjoy being with most too. I occassionally get a richer girl and occassionally end up with a lower class / possible semi-pro type.