[MiXX]

(02-02-2012 09:13 AM)european_lover Wrote:  

I agree that girls in Ukraine and Russia totally expect the man to pay for everything. If not, he is cheap. Unlike in the west, were you will loose status by paying for everything. I still think that Kiev is not particularly easy. And that you have to put a huge amount of cash on the table does not make it better. But the girls are super hot.

I think anytime you visit the main Tier 1 cities of ANY country in the world you will run into the most superficial, snobbish and hardest girls to bang.


I wonder how it is in places like Ivano-Frankivisk. I already imagine that nightlife will not compare to Kiev, but fuck nightlife, I'm interested in women. If I can fuck girls all day long without visiting a single night-venue, I consider the trip a huge success!

Mixx

[chochemonger1]

(02-07-2012 11:04 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-02-2012 09:13 AM)european_lover Wrote:  

I agree that girls in Ukraine and Russia totally expect the man to pay for everything. If not, he is cheap. Unlike in the west, were you will loose status by paying for everything. I still think that Kiev is not particularly easy. And that you have to put a huge amount of cash on the table does not make it better. But the girls are super hot.

I think anytime you visit the main Tier 1 cities of ANY country in the world you will run into the most superficial, snobbish and hardest girls to bang.


I wonder how it is in places like Ivano-Frankivisk. I already imagine that nightlife will not compare to Kiev, but fuck nightlife, I'm interested in women. If I can fuck girls all day long without visiting a single night-venue, I consider the trip a huge success!

Mixx

Agreed. In first tier cities the hotties congregate in clubs. But in 2nd or 3rd tier cities in a country like Ukraine, where there are so many hotties, I dont see the point in going to clubs that often or at all. With pipelining and day game one should have his hands full without resorting to money and energy wasting night game in these hidden gems.

[Marco]

The problem is that it is odd to approach a girl in Ukraine on the street/cafe/park or other day game venue, plus English speakers percentage is likely to be higher in the nightlife venues.
I tried day game / internet and nightlife in Ukraine and had the most success with the later.

[Luckystar]

(02-07-2012 04:01 PM)Marco Wrote:  

The problem is that it is odd to approach a girl in Ukraine on the street/cafe/park or other day game venue, plus English speakers percentage is likely to be higher in the nightlife venues.
I tried day game / internet and nightlife in Ukraine and had the most success with the later.

Nobody knows this better than me.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-07-2012 04:01 PM)Marco Wrote:  

The problem is that it is odd to approach a girl in Ukraine on the street/cafe/park or other day game venue, plus English speakers percentage is likely to be higher in the nightlife venues.
I tried day game / internet and nightlife in Ukraine and had the most success with the later.

You have to be joking right?!

Day game is hard in Ukraine?, I love it!!!!. Yes it's ODD for guys to stop girls in the street, which is why you fu*king do it. It's ODD for a guy to smile at a girl in the street, so GRIN like a Cheshire Cat. It's odd for a Ukrainian guy to smile at all unless he's drunk, so smile away!!.

Do you want to act like a Ukrainian in Ukraine, or do you want to have some allure about you?

Internet game is great in Ukraine, for me at least.

Different people have different success I suppose.

[Pilgrim37]

(02-08-2012 05:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 04:01 PM)Marco Wrote:  

The problem is that it is odd to approach a girl in Ukraine on the street/cafe/park or other day game venue, plus English speakers percentage is likely to be higher in the nightlife venues.
I tried day game / internet and nightlife in Ukraine and had the most success with the later.

You have to be joking right?!

Day game is hard in Ukraine?, I love it!!!!. Yes it's ODD for guys to stop girls in the street, which is why you fu*king do it. It's ODD for a guy to smile at a girl in the street, so GRIN like a Cheshire Cat. It's odd for a Ukrainian guy to smile at all unless he's drunk, so smile away!!.

Do you want to act like a Ukrainian in Ukraine, or do you want to have some allure about you?

Internet game is great in Ukraine, for me at least.

Different people have different success I suppose.

"It's odd for a Ukrainian guy to smile at all unless he's drunk, !!."

Hahahaha!

It's nice to know one country's stereotype rings true in reality.
It's exactly how I imagine it...at least the older guys.

Hopefully I'll see it in the flesh soon,and it'll make me smile enough to look out of place.

[brianmark]

(02-04-2012 10:39 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its not blurred.

You guys all want slim, feminine, traditional women but you dont want to be the traditional guy.

If you want/expect women to pay their way, stay in the west where its part of the super awesome culture now. You can date obese whales who pitch up in flat soled shoes and dont own a single dress. You can talk about Kim Kardashian and her career all night long safe in the knowledge that you will save a couple of bucks when she picks up half the check.

I used to go over there a lot and really liked the women but haven't been there in 4 years. They will treat you special if you treat them special !
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I have a friend in the US who is about a 9. He is the cheapest guy on the planet. He likes to split the bill. He's pissed off and blown more pussy than any man alive. He even went to the Philippines and tried to get his girl to split the bill with him. Well before he left the Phil, he was alone!
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You get what you pay for!

[Roosh]

(02-08-2012 05:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Day game is hard in Ukraine?, I love it!!!!

Deb can you break it down more?

What percentage of girls speak English?
Out of that, what percentage is open to the chat?
Where do you usually approach during the day?
What type of close rate are you seeing (for numbers)?
What kind of day game do you run (indirect or direct)?

The consensus seems to be more that day game is less fruitful than night so I'm curious what your strategy is.

[Greek kamaki]

It depends on the region.Daygame is totally possible in the western Ukraine however it is not so effective in eastern Ukraine.There are several reasons for that mainly the difference between european and soviet style behaviour.Western Ukraine mentality is a whole lot like polish.Girls look like polish and behave the same.So they are very open.

I will try to answer roosh questions.

1.In western Ukraine 40% of girls speak English.In Kiev about 60%.In eastern Ukraine about 10%.

2.Percentage open to chat is the same like in Poland.10%.

3.Best is to approach in central aquare where lots of girls hang out in the morning and evening when they sit having got sth to drink or walk in companies of 3-5 girls giggling waiting for the boys to hit on them.It is a common view in western Ukraina approaches and rejections happen instantly and it is considered O.K. to approach girls.

Another great place is university area where most students hang out.A foreigner may appear weird there he needs to justify somehow his presence

4.Close rate depends.If one hits relentlessly he will get 3-4 numbers for sure everyday.Some girls are available to go to cafe instantly or even to hotel although this does not happen everyday

5.Daygame needed is exactly the same as in Poland.One needs to appear a bit shy,not good oriented in the city and show some indicators of wealth.This regards western Ukraine.For eastern Ukraine you need Soviet style game it is the hardcore Russian play.

[Marco]

(02-12-2012 10:07 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Soviet style game it is the hardcore Russian play.

Greek, I have some idea what it means but I would like to hear your perspective of Soviet Russian play.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-12-2012 08:27 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 05:22 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Day game is hard in Ukraine?, I love it!!!!

Deb can you break it down more?

What percentage of girls speak English?
Out of that, what percentage is open to the chat?
Where do you usually approach during the day?
What type of close rate are you seeing (for numbers)?
What kind of day game do you run (indirect or direct)?

The consensus seems to be more that day game is less fruitful than night so I'm curious what your strategy is.

I don't use game, all I do is make eye contact with them on the street then smile and say hi, they will often so hi back and I will approach.

English speakers are perhaps 60%, open to chat 80%.

I usually approach in busy areas, where they feel safe.

Close rate for numbers(gettling laid) 25%?, most of the girls I approach are 17-21, with girls that age quick results are not always possible. Would be a higher rate if I went for Milfs(25+).

A lot of the time I actually only call the 8+ girls

[Hooligan Harry]

60% sounds awfully high.

I know that the younger women are speaking more and more English these days, but 60% of them fluent enough to chat up in English? Look I always just speak Russian, so have not approached much in English for years. So perhaps I am not the best to be handing out advice on approaching in English, but that number sounds really, really high to me.

[Deluge]

Multiple datasheets for Russia and Ukraine gave as low as 10%...

[Hooligan Harry]

Not only that, but in Kiev many women already learn either Russian or Ukrainian as their second language. Making English a third language for them. And much like Russia, many decide to learn German, Italian, Spanish or French instead of English. German is probably the second most popular non native language they study after English.

The thing is, younger women ARE speaking more and more English these days which is why I dont want to shut it down completely. If Deb Auchery is targeting younger chicks under the age of 22, it will be the demographic with the highest number of English speakers. I just think the number is way too high based on my experiences over the years, not to mention that many are shy to speak a language they are not proficient in.

[Greek kamaki]

It depends on the region.In Kiev and western Ukraine they speak some elementary English.In eastern Ukraine they do not.The same is in Russia and Belarus generally where Russian language is predominant people have little to no interest to speak English.In areas where Ukrainian language is predominant many women try to learn English I think they have English lessons for some years in high school.

[Marco]

I can also confirm 40% of chat level of English in clubs in southern Ukraine and in Kiev. I also target younger chick.

[Greek kamaki]

In western Ukraine it is also recommended to be careful with the use of Russian.Some people may be annoyed especially hardcore nationalists.They try to cut off everything Russian from Ukrainian culture.As foreigner though sb is often excused but expect to get answers in Ukrainian when you speak Russian.Ukrainian is easy to understand it sounds like soft polish and contains many polish words.Practically all western Ukrainians speak Russian they just refuse to use it in everyday situations.All culture,TV programs etc come from Russia but you should never tell them about Russian culture or superiority insist on Ukrainian literature for example.
I strongly suggest to sb to read some works of Gogol and Sevtsenko before coming to Ukraine to get a grip of Ukrainian culture.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-13-2012 02:04 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It depends on the region.In Kiev and western Ukraine they speak some elementary English.In eastern Ukraine they do not.The same is in Russia and Belarus generally where Russian language is predominant people have little to no interest to speak English.In areas where Ukrainian language is predominant many women try to learn English I think they have English lessons for some years in high school.

Yes I mean they speak Elementary English, which is enough for my goals. A lot of the time they are quite happy to meet me and converse with Google translate on my phone.

I'll do some serious approaching one day soon, and get some accurate statistics.

[timmy21]

Where I live in the east, I can honestly say languages are a big part of education with many people escp. the girls, we have schools here that specialize in laguages, a language lyseum, a few collugums, and 4 schools that are specilty langauge schools that are expensive to enter for many students, the local pedigagical institute has specialties in many langauages, including some up and coming languages like Turkish, Chinese, and Japanese. With many young girls today languages are a big part of life; but with that being said, I would say no more that 15 percent can carry on a conversation in English, that's why it vital to learn Russian, it's most certainly a difficult language for an Englsih speaker, but it's fun and challenging to learn.

If anyone is interested in Ukrainian Liturature, I can recommend N. Gogol, two books, Dead Souls and The Government Inspecter, Gogol writes in a type of comedy, Gogol is from the Poltava Region but he mastered his writing skills in St. Petes, but Ukraine wants to keep him as their own, he's much less serious than say Dostoyevsky, who wrote about depressing issues, but books by the master Dostoyevsky should not be ignorded, Crime and Punishment is a masterpiece as well as Demons.

[Richie]

So let me get this straight.
East (being I assume Kharkiv?) - Hotter girls but Russian is essential.
West (Lviv) - Not as attractive but more English so potentially easier lays.
South (Odessa) - Hot girls but more of a summer holiday destination.
Kiev - Tourist trap, Pros, foreign status = Zero.

Lviv is sounding more appealing to me right now since 'not as attractive' in Ukraine probably still means 7's and above.

[Roosh]

Deb: What you're saying is just hard to swallow. You say hi, smile, and most girls (80%!) are eager to chat, sometimes with your Android phone? Also you haven't mentioned where you're doing this (street, mall, etc). I'm in the Baltics and it's freezing cold. I go to the mall and walk around for very few opportunities.

Anyway, I hope what you say is accurate, but you're making it sound like day game in Ukraine is easier than America. I want to believe, but I'm skeptical.

[Sirob]

I normally dont weigh in on topics where I dont have much understanding, let alone background. But this weekend, I witnessed something which really had me shaking my head.

Basically I went to an official dinner event organised by a friend who is from one of the FSU countries. The crowd was a mix of Russian, Ukrainian and other FSU married couples, along with FSU hotties married to Swiss/EU guys. Some basic observations:

All the guys were ugly. Quite a few of them were bald and fat.

Almost all the married women were smokin hot. I'm talking tall (5'8" and above), slender with model like bodies. Most of the women had a good college degree, even though they were in nothing jobs.

All the husbands held good positions in the finance/pharma industries.

Their was a visible age difference within the couples. The husbands were in their mid to late thirties and the wives were all in their mid twenties.

The husbands had poor personalities. They had difficulty holding a normal conversation on anything other than work.

The Russian/Ukrainian/FSU couples had met and gotten married in their home countries before moving to Switzerland.

The Russian/Ukrainian/FSU married chicks had met their Swiss/EU husbands in Switzerland and had gotten married within a year of first contact.

Later on that evening, we went to a club for drinks. It was almost a surreal sight watching all these hot married women dancing their asses off and their pitifully woeful husbands watching from the sidelines.

Even though it's not alpha to harbour envy or jealousy, I did feel a burst of jealousy at these hopelessly beta guys who, had it not been for the fact that they were married to these hot FSU chicks, would probably have zero chance getting a hot west european chick.

[Deb Auchery]

Mid to late thirties with a mid twenties girl is nothing.

Go to some nightclubs in Ukraine and you will see guys in their fifties and sixties with teenagers/early twenties, some will be hot too. These guys will need some serious cash though.

When you observe the spectacle of a fat old Ukrainian grinding a Ukrainian teen on the dancefloor, you will see why there are no comedy clubs in Ukraine!

[Richie]

There is a faint waft of something rather unpleasant on this thread.

[chochemonger1]

(02-13-2012 09:00 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Mid to late thirties with a mid twenties girl is nothing.

Go to some nightclubs in Ukraine and you will see guys in their fifties and sixties with teenagers/early twenties, some will be hot too. These guys will need some serious cash though.

When you observe the spectacle of a fat old Ukrainian grinding a Ukrainian teen on the dancefloor, you will see why there are no comedy clubs in Ukraine!

You are a freak Deb.....a six feet six inch model, good looking white guy will do well even in India. Doubt that those ukranian teenagers will want to use google translator with a mid 30s turkish looking american latino. Outgaming ukranian dudes is no problem but the lack of english is. I will probably just bring a guitar and sing some coldplay songs in the park and see how it goes hehe.