[Deb Auchery]

I live in Ukraine, it's probably the best country in the world for women in terms of ease of score.

Went to a nightclub last night and it was hilarious, I wanted to take a video but would of got thrown out. Full of fat, old, ghastly Ukrainian men on the dancefloor with teenage girls, my friend and I could only laugh all night.

Will go to Kiev for Christmas, will be much better than other EE capitals that will be overrun with obnoxious American tourists

[Layercake]

(12-11-2011 06:29 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I live in Ukraine, it's probably the best country in the world for women in terms of ease of score.

Went to a nightclub last night and it was hilarious, I wanted to take a video but would of got thrown out. Full of fat, old, ghastly Ukrainian men on the dancefloor with teenage girls, my friend and I could only laugh all night.

Will go to Kiev for Christmas, will be much better than other EE capitals that will be overrun with obnoxious American tourists

Hi Deb

I've been trying to contact you. I'm in Krakow now and getting a train to Lviv in early January 2012.

We should laugh at them together?

[Ami5]

(12-11-2011 06:29 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I live in Ukraine, it's probably the best country in the world for women in terms of ease of score.

Went to a nightclub last night and it was hilarious, I wanted to take a video but would of got thrown out. Full of fat, old, ghastly Ukrainian men on the dancefloor with teenage girls, my friend and I could only laugh all night.

Will go to Kiev for Christmas, will be much better than other EE capitals that will be overrun with obnoxious American tourists

Man, I hate you!

[naughtynomad]

Lviv is cool, but the girls are not a patch on those in Kiev or Kharkiv. Ethnic Ukrainians are nothing compared to the Russian Majorities in those cities...

@Layercake: Don't I know it... the quality you can pull there is serious..

[Layercake]

(12-12-2011 10:51 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

Lviv is cool, but the girls are not a patch on those in Kiev or Kharkiv. Ethnic Ukrainians are nothing compared to the Russian Majorities in those cities...

@Layercake: Don't I know it... the quality you can pull there is serious..

Thanks for the feedback mate....how does being "English" or "Irish" help?

[naughtynomad]

Being Irish certainly does. They have a traditional Ukrainian song about the fighting Irish.. When I told a group my nationality in Lviv they bought me drinks the whole night and sang that song. No idea if being English is too exotic though..

[Layercake]

(12-13-2011 08:03 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

Being Irish certainly does. They have a traditional Ukrainian song about the fighting Irish.. When I told a group my nationality in Lviv they bought me drinks the whole night and sang that song. No idea if being English is too exotic though..

Thanks mate.
After your feedback I might just go straight to Kharkow....
Decision not made yet! 100% Ukraine, not 100% where first....I'm like a kid in a candy shop...

[Ami5]

(12-13-2011 11:58 AM)Layercake Wrote:  

(12-13-2011 08:03 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

Being Irish certainly does. They have a traditional Ukrainian song about the fighting Irish.. When I told a group my nationality in Lviv they bought me drinks the whole night and sang that song. No idea if being English is too exotic though..

Thanks mate.
After your feedback I might just go straight to Kharkow....
Decision not made yet! 100% Ukraine, not 100% where first....I'm like a kid in a candy shop...

I guess its more cause of Irish pub than an Irish song! It seems more to me that Ukrainians like pretty much everyone - English, Irish, American and even Indian... (with the exception of Turks)

Layercake, you're most welcome in Kharkiv!

[Layercake]

(12-13-2011 10:11 PM)Ami5 Wrote:  

(12-13-2011 11:58 AM)Layercake Wrote:  

(12-13-2011 08:03 AM)naughtynomad Wrote:  

Being Irish certainly does. They have a traditional Ukrainian song about the fighting Irish.. When I told a group my nationality in Lviv they bought me drinks the whole night and sang that song. No idea if being English is too exotic though..

Thanks mate.
After your feedback I might just go straight to Kharkow....
Decision not made yet! 100% Ukraine, not 100% where first....I'm like a kid in a candy shop...

I guess its more cause of Irish pub than an Irish song! It seems more to me that Ukrainians like pretty much everyone - English, Irish, American and even Indian... (with the exception of Turks)

Layercake, you're most welcome in Kharkiv!

Thanks Buddy - now I've just got to book my lazy arse a flight to Kharkiv and get out of Krakow! Krakow is a lovely place if you're a thoroughbred tourist, but not if you're a thoroughbred lover (& hunter) of 8's & 9's!
Ukraine, lock up your ridiculously fit daughters! I'm coming in!

Even your Ex-Prime Minister who you imprisoned is fit! Better then Gordon Brown, or Maggie Thatcher!

http://legalservices.bizandlegis.com/wp-...shenko.jpg

[Layercake]

Tragic - Court refuses to free ex-PM Tymoshenko - 14/12/2011

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-appeal-denied-court-781/

[Deb Auchery]

Did you get to Kharkiv LC?

Vliv is full of Eastern Ukrainian tourists at the moment, i'm loving it. The girls are taller, darker, and have bigger breasts.

They also drink way more than Vliv girls, you walk into a cafe here at 3pm and they're guzzling cocktails.

Had some nice lays from Kiev over Xmas/New Year, more than made up for lack of Xmas Turkey.

Overall i'm very happy with things here in Vliv, but these girls from E Ukraine are stirring something in my loins, I definitely need to go to Kharkiv on a fact finding mission

[Soma]

(01-13-2012 03:51 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Did you get to Kharkiv LC?

Vliv is full of Eastern Ukrainian tourists at the moment, i'm loving it. The girls are taller, darker, and have bigger breasts.

Vliv = Lviv?

They also drink way more than Vliv girls, you walk into a cafe here at 3pm and they're guzzling cocktails.

Who drinks more than Vliv girls? Kharkiv or Kiev girls?

Had some nice lays from Kiev over Xmas/New Year, more than made up for lack of Xmas Turkey.

Overall i'm very happy with things here in Vliv, but these girls from E Ukraine are stirring something in my loins, I definitely need to go to Kharkiv on a fact finding mission

[Deb Auchery]

Yep, Vliv, trying to stay out of Google.

Both, girls in the West of Ukraine are more conservative then the rest of the country. They consider themselves more European whereas further East they speak Russian and consider themselves Russian pretty much(hard drinking)

[Ami5]

(01-13-2012 05:07 AM)Soma Wrote:  

(01-13-2012 03:51 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Did you get to Kharkiv LC?

Vliv is full of Eastern Ukrainian tourists at the moment, i'm loving it. The girls are taller, darker, and have bigger breasts.

Vliv = Lviv?

They also drink way more than Vliv girls, you walk into a cafe here at 3pm and they're guzzling cocktails.

Who drinks more than Vliv girls? Kharkiv or Kiev girls?

Had some nice lays from Kiev over Xmas/New Year, more than made up for lack of Xmas Turkey.

Overall i'm very happy with things here in Vliv, but these girls from E Ukraine are stirring something in my loins, I definitely need to go to Kharkiv on a fact finding mission

Go to Kharkiv asap man. I had hard time opening chicks from Lviv and Poltava, but Kharkiv girls are more friendly and warmer.

[Pilgrim37]

(05-10-2010 05:34 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

(10-25-2009 03:27 PM)College Game Wrote:  

Also, the language barrier is pretty huge too. Kona is right about the teeth, the smog, big noses, but there are some knockout good looking Ukrainian broads. On the other hand, they age horribly.

- One of the polish guys that made a car ride w/ me from Krakow to Madrid, told the same. There´s a big language barrier in Ukraine.
- There´s not much eastern europe MILF´s. They tend to get like babushkas.
- A good option to Krim from what the same polish dude told us was Turkey, to a place called Antalaya or Anlaya. Full of Ukraines and Russian babes, for half of the costs.
- My brother when he was in Hurghada in Egypt also said it was full of russian babes.

Do Russians and Ukrainians like Arab cock,or is it just a cheap holiday?

[Deb Auchery]

Some do, it's exotic for them, get quite a few guys here from Egypt, Morocco etc

[european_lover]

I was there for a couple of days in the beginning of 2010. Beautiful girls! But very few clubs and bars for a city so big, and those were quite posh (and played music really loud). In Kiev was also the first time for 10 years that I couldn’t get into a club. It was mainly because I didn’t speak Russian or Ukrainian. Tried some daygame, but it was minus 20 degrees. People hang out instead in this restaurants/tea places (there have these chains, with buffets, and some of them are really big and an option for pick up). A friend of mine, 40, lives there; he hooked up already with several girls that could be models that he met over the internet. He also tried day and nightgame, with little success. Also be aware of the gold diggers: They will come to your table, ask whether they can sit down, and then order right away something to drink (on your bill of course).

My success: I could really try only 2 nights. As I said before, the clubs are not idealy structured to meet girls. They were also not at all impressed by me being foreigner, even more though that I cannot speak Russian or Ukrainian. In my two nights I managed to kiss one girl in the club.

Nightgame

• I was in Kiev in the beginning of 2010, so the place might have very well changed:
• My friend said that they are too posh (and he usually likes posh places): Faberge, Decadence, Heaven, Buddha Bar (face control, we couldn’t get in), Arena (when I went there it was few people, and they were on the super loud dancefloor).
• Some venues are in the Mandarin Plaza shopping mall (Arena Entertainment complex). The clubs include Arena, Sky Bar, Barsky and Grotesque – not all of them are posh.
• Said to be young and fun: PaTiPa (we were there on Thursdays, there were many people, 1 big room, loud) , Shooters (we couldn’t get in because we were foreigners; go early for restaurant to get in), Forsage (30 min from centre, my friend says young (17), foreigners don’t get in), BSB (we were there on Saturday: really, really young, maximum 18, but really hot girls)
• Avalon/Azhur – my friend’s favorite; it was still quite posh for my standards
• Salminskiy – afterclub, it was nice
• Club 44 – bar, loud life music till midnight, also afterwards the music was still quite loud
  

Not tried:

• Chocolate – my friend said it’s actually a nice bar
• Disco Radio Hall – loud, but fun?
• Caribbean Club – Salsa
• O’Briens – Irish Pub
• Shato, Viola’s Bierstube – Restaurants
• Antresol, Babuin – cool, artistic
• Dockers – Life music
• Tato fashion club – tip from flight magazine
• Bar Fidel (Grushevskogo 4B, Kiev, Ukraine). Internet said: “Well worth checking out. DJ plays late on a Friday night and there is some serious moshing and crowd surfing in what must be Kiev's lowest bar / club. Great fun, open till 5am.”
• Xlib-club. Internet said: “Xlib-club brings what is called cutting-edge music to Kiev. The club is neither expensive nor pretentious and exceedingly crowded on Friday and Saturday nights.”
  

[Greek kamaki]

Kiev is actually very good if you have cash.In places like DeLuxe and Decadence you can pull given you are well dressed(everything on you should cost more than 100 euro each),you have cash to buy drinks and speak some Russian.In Kiev you can date 4-5 different girls every day the possibilities are endless.Many girls are bi.But seriously if one is on budget provinces are a better option.

[Richie]

Simply put - is Ukraine a waste of time if you speak no Russian what so ever?

[Greek kamaki]

It is an excellent place even if you do not speak Russian.30-40% of girls in Kiev speak English.
However by speaking Russian you increase your lays by a mile because you can hot all the poor girls who could not afford English lessons travels etc.
In Poland it is very good if you speak polish but 80% of women speak English.Polish enables you more emotional connection and direct access.It is especially useful when dealing with MILFs hot mothers of hot girlfriends etc.

[Richie]

(02-02-2012 07:23 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It is an excellent place even if you do not speak Russian.30-40% of girls in Kiev speak English.

Good. Perhaps it's best to stick to first tier cities when it comes to Ukraine and Russia?

[Greek kamaki]

Very good question.It depends on your budget.I was talking about Ukraine.In Russia the percentage of girls who speak English is much less.The same in Belarus.
If you can afford spending 2000-3000 euro for 7-10 days Kiev is much better choice.If you have 1000-1500 euro province is a must unless you want to live like king in Kiev for a weekend.It depends what you want.

[Richie]

Wow it's not cheap then. 2000 euros would blow my budget for just a week. Maybe I could do 3 days in Kiev and go to a second tier for a week after. 3 days is usually enough time to put in a enough groundwork for potential lays. If it doesn't work out it's probably best to cut your loses.

[Greek kamaki]

This is a good plan.Expenses in Kiev in general are:
1.Dinner for 2 in cental restaurant:40 -50 euro with drinks
2.Date in central cafe for two(girls always order cocktails):15-25 euro
So if you date 3 girls everyday you will spend 100-150 euro on dating expenses
Accommodation costs:50-70 euro for apartment in the centre(important for logistics)
Entrance to high end clubs(where most hot chicks are:10-20 euro per person
Taxi expenses(necessary because clubs are away and marsutka is not an option):10-15 euro per day
For the same things you spend exactly the half in provinces.The difference is that choice of women in province is less.On the other hand they are less demanding and more likely to be impressed by foreigners.

[european_lover]

I agree that girls in Ukraine and Russia totally expect the man to pay for everything. If not, he is cheap. Unlike in the west, were you will loose status by paying for everything. I still think that Kiev is not particularly easy. And that you have to put a huge amount of cash on the table does not make it better. But the girls are super hot.