[Neo]

Dude, a wife isn't going to solve your problems. You seem to have low confidence with girls, you need to take the bull by the horns and just dive right into learning and practicing as much as possible. You also wrote that you can't imagine going to med school and being alone for another 5 years. But who says you will be? Med school is a huge time commitment, but I knew plenty of kids in med, dental, or law school(at ivy league schools) who worked hard but also hooked up a lot or found girlfriends.

Especially if you've never had a serious girlfriend before why get married? You're going to have to have considerable experience before you even know what type of girls you like.

In the end of course it's up to you, but I have seen many more guys get absolutely destroyed in marriages, then I have seen guys who were legitimately happy. I can only think of a few guys who I consider to be happily married, while I can off the top of my head think of 15-20 guys who are getting raped in divorce or going through hell. This is in the United States, other countries may be different.

There is nothing wrong with getting married and having a wife, I just think it takes a certain type of guy and a certain type of woman.

[Vicious]

There are so many wrongs with the initial premise of this thread that I don't know where to start.

I think I won't.

[Spartan]

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been there and can give these kinds of tips?

[Travel85]

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been there and can give these kinds of tips?

I personally think Spartan is just trolling for attention. A person who is in the 98th percentile of MCAT takers can't be that dunce, can he?

[Spartan]

(01-28-2012 01:44 PM)Travel85 Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been there and can give these kinds of tips?

I personally think Spartan is just trolling for attention. A person who is in the 98th percentile of MCAT takers can't be that dunce, can he?

What's wrong with my question? I want advice on how best to select a girl for an LTR and how best to attract FSU women?

[BTman]

(01-28-2012 04:12 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Any more input from guys who have actually been to the FSU?
is 14 months worth it even if the logistics are more difficult, should I really be pushing for that extra time? I'm starting to think it might be worth it in terms of quality.

I have been all over the FSU and it could take me as little as 2 weeks for me to decide if I wanted to marry a girl or not. But that's because I had a plethora of experience with all different kinds of women. For you who it seems has never had a gf/ is possibly a virgin you will have no idea what to look for. It doesn't really seem like your interested in advice but getting married to a girl when you know nothing about women is a huge mistake. It's a recipe for a divorce unhappy life. You need to push for extra time for learning about women...

[Spartan]

(01-28-2012 01:53 PM)BTman Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 04:12 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Any more input from guys who have actually been to the FSU?
is 14 months worth it even if the logistics are more difficult, should I really be pushing for that extra time? I'm starting to think it might be worth it in terms of quality.

I have been all over the FSU and it could take me as little as 2 weeks for me to decide if I wanted to marry a girl or not. But that's because I had a plethora of experience with all different kinds of women. For you who it seems has never had a gf/ is possibly a virgin you will have no idea what to look for. It doesn't really seem like your interested in advice but getting married to a girl when you know nothing about women is a huge mistake. It's a recipe for a divorce unhappy life. You need to push for extra time for learning about women...

Of course I want advice. But the advice I want is how best to meet these FSU women and how best to attract them. Wouldn't that be a good thing?


I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try showing traits X, Y, and Z to attract women. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

[InternationPlayboy]

(01-27-2012 05:56 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

(01-27-2012 05:12 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:  

How old are you if I may ask?

I'm a smart guy (scored in the 98th percentile on the MCAT- thats better than the average at Harvard med school). However, I have no luck with girls. I didn't kiss my first girl till I was 21. I dated a total of 2 women: 1 for about 1 month, she was cute but had serious problems (mental, drug use, etc.) the other girl was a Ukrainian who was 35 and had 2 kids and was studying English for a year in the US.

Is this also the amount of girls you've been with? I think you need to get out and get some more experience in life before you find a wife. Neither 7 nor 14 months seems ideal to me to find a wife. If you're that dead set on marrying someone, why don't you date them for at least a couple years and see how things go? Marriage is serious, especially since you're going to school and plan on having a nice career, that women can take you for everything you have! I have plenty of friends who've been married, divorced, or had kids by the age 24, and pretty much every single one of them it's fucked up their lives. Now they're stuck working dead end jobs in a small town where they're kids will probably grow up, have kids at the age of 19 and repeat the cycle. That doesn't sound like a life worth living to me. One of my best friends married a South African girl. She moved him away from the town he loved to New York, which he hates. A couple months after they move to NY, she gets a good job and starts cheating on him with her manager. They were together for 3 years before they got married. Right now they are in the process of getting divorced. Totally fucked my boys whole world up. You need to sit and think real hard about the decision you're about to make. Not to mention, what makes you think you'll find a girl who would want to marry you in 7-14 months. I would be a bit concerned about a girls mental state if she was willing to marry me in that short of a time period.

[WanderingSoul]

(01-28-2012 01:44 PM)Travel85 Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been here and can give these kinds of tips?

I personally think Spartan is just trolling for attention. A person who is in the 98th percentile of MCAT takers can't be that dunce, can he?

This. Motherfuckers gotta be a troll. This shit is too sad to be true.

[InternationPlayboy]

Yeah, my troll radar is also going off. Either way, homies in the wrong forum to be asking these types of questions.

[Spartan]

(01-28-2012 05:25 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 01:44 PM)Travel85 Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been here and can give these kinds of tips?

I personally think Spartan is just trolling for attention. A person who is in the 98th percentile of MCAT takers can't be that dunce, can he?

This. Motherfuckers gotta be a troll. This shit is too sad to be true.

Really? Asking for advice is sad? OK now. You want to know whats sad? I have people that ask me for advice. My old childhood friend said he looks up to me this past Christmas when we me up. He wishes he could be travelling like I am. My old fraternity friend is asking me for advice on where to meet FSU girls online.

Perhaps I am far,far far, below the level you guys are at. But let me tell you something- I am doing a hell of a lot better than a lot of people.

I've probably put more effort into self-improvement than many of the people here.
I lost 70 lbs, became a personal trainer and tacked on a ton of muscle.
I learned a new language and speak it fluently (top in my Russian class at university).
6 Years ago, I couldn't even look a girl in the eyes. An older classmate and mentor noticed me being nervous at a party, patted me on the back, and said "you know, its ok to look at them" as he pointed to the girls. I've battled with addiction, depression, anxiety, and lack of awareness and overcome.

Yes, I'm a bit dramatic in my posts, yes I go about things in unconventional ways, and yes I'm too negative sometimes, --but-- I'm just a guy trying to develop a career, have a family, and live a good life.

Is that being a troll?

[mofo]

This thread

[Deluge]

(01-28-2012 05:50 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

I'm just a guy trying to develop a career, have a family, and live a good life.

Is that being a troll?

Just in case you're not a troll:

When your future FSU divorces your ass (which she will judging by the depths of your omeganess) and wins half your shit and takes your kids away, you won't have a family. NONE. You won't have a house to live in anymore either. And then you'll have to pay her alimony and child support which she'll use to go fuck her new boyfriend who she'll never marry so she can keep leeching off your support.

[Gmac]

If I planned on getting married I would want to know the person for 8-10 years minimum. Probably have lived with them for 2 on top of that.

[Samseau]

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been there and can give these kinds of tips?

Reported for being a troll.

People have been giving you information left and right, and all you say is, "What are some pickup techniques for getting a wife!"

Let's just summarize what's been posted in this thread, which proves you are trolling:

1. You have no experience with women. You will fail miserably trying to find a good woman because you cannot recognize one.

2. Getting married at your young age is going to fuck you over in 100 ways, and will prevent you from living a traditional life.

3. If you really wanted to know where to pick up Russian girls, you'd just search the other 1000 threads on Russia. Hooligan Harry's posts come to mind.

Enjoy your ban.

[Roosh]

Marriage troll?

I agree with Samseau. Temp ban for now, his only warning.

[Brazilianguy]

I was actually amused by this topic and am sorry this guy is getting banned.
THis was actually very informative and entertaining!

[Pilgrim37]

You have to develop into an interesting person first before you're going to catch any interest from a worthwhile LTR girl.

Go out and live a bit.

[timmy21]

(01-28-2012 05:02 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 04:55 AM)the_conductor Wrote:  

Do you speak fluent Russian, ukrainian, or whatever language they speak in your FSU country? If not, add 1 year to your time frame. Cause in my country if you're a foreigner and don't speak the language, you're almost entirely limiting yourself to sluts, bar girls, gold diggers who purposely milk the foreigners for their money, no wife material. Incidentally they are also the segment of the population the local men won't touch. The girls who are fluent at English and aren't strip-bar girls have probably been educated abroad or at international schools, and honestly wouldn't want to marry that soon anyway. Don't know how it works in FSU, but can't be too different in more traditional unwesternized countries.

So my advice -Learn game. Learn the language, so your options aren't limited to gold-diggers. Honestly what kind of quality can you find in a girl who'll just marry any foreign dude in 7, 14 months? Then you can decide for yourself.

I already know Russian.


OK, I think I've decided on 14 months.

Especially since E. European cities clear out in the summer and summer would be a huge chunk of my 7 months.
I've noticed girls are a lot more responsive on Mamba as well during winter/fall as compared to summer.

Anyone who's experienced with the FSU that can confirm this? Summers are bad times for FSUW hunting?

Summers a bad time, no of course not, I ve spent the last 6 summers in the FSU, it's by far my favorite season, (esp. now, the temps here are like -20C, it's freaken cold) many girls will go on holiday, but you're talking a week to 10 days, there will be plenty of girls here, when you meet these girls the first thing i would advise is not to tell them you're looking for a wife, believe me, you'll appear very desperate, and these girls hate desperate, needy guys. When you arrive visit the local universities, volunteer to speak to English students, these English classes will be full of nice looking girls, visit nice, cozy cafes, there will be plenty around. Dont worry about going it alone, there's nothing wrong with that, learn to enjoy your own company. Get to know the waitresses, cashiers, some will be very nice, you know the language, so it will be easy. Personally, I would avoid to much contact with the guys, limit this as much as possible, they will weigh you down, why do you want to get married? when you're lliving here you want to date multiple girls, the more the better.

[sheesh]

Your goal should be to look for a long term relationship (LTR) first. Then, after you get to know her and the relationship works, you will see whether it will lead to marriage or not.

The problem is...it can take a long time until you find someone suitable for a LTR. And then it takes a long time to find out whether the relationship works and whether you really want to spend your life with this woman and have kids with her.

But seeking marriage directly won't work and imho most women will find this odd as it is not a typical male behavior and signals desperation.

So...you might find someone in 7 months if you try hard but the more desperate you are the more likely the marriage will fail because you will chose the wrong woman.

There is nothing wrong with looking for a long term relationship and marriage per se ( at least in most European countries) but you cannot force it and actively seek it, it has to come to you, so to speak...and at the age of 24 as a man you have all the time in the world to find someone.

And, out of curiosity, why go to the FSU if you are from Central Europe ? Whats wrong with the local girls ? "Importing" a girl to your home country is very difficult and greatly reduces chances of a successful marriage, especially if she doesn't speek the local language and doesn't find a job - i know this from my own family.

[brianmark]

I'm super impressed with all the advice given by guys in this tread. Very good and very compassionate. Before this thread, I thought that the most of the guys on the Forum were just bragging punks.
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Spartan, be careful. You are setting yourself up to for some big heartbreak. I was a very experienced dater (many girls, and many LT relationships) when I went to Ukraine. I met a very pretty girl and lived there for 7 months. I actually was not serious when I met her. Then I told all my friends she was the best girl I ever dated. They told me I was crazy not to want to marry this beauty. So I fell in love. Before the 7 months were up she turned into the biggest bitch I had ever dated. I ended it after a lot of volatile times. She married someone else w/in a year and a half. What I'm telling you is that 7 months is nothing and if you’re inexperienced, you are in for a lot of problems. Russians are big users, but I'm sure you already know this. I can give you examples of guys that went over there and got "killed". They all wanted to get a wife the way you buy a car! They had no belief that a woman is 50% of the equation. A woman is not looking out for your best interests, only hers. Going in desperate, you will get killed. Spend 14 months, you will be guaranteed to find a wife, but don't be surprised what comes after the initial bliss. There are no guarantees she'll stay with you, she’s from a culture with a very high divorce rate. You are only guaranteed the present moment.
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Another suggestion is go over meet a lot of girls. Come back continue med school. Start some long distance relationships with them. Do not send them money. The ones that don’t like you will quickly fall off. Fly back over on weekends and holidays and let this relationship grow. I think for a guy living in Eastern Europe this works better than wife hunting. You should be GF hunting, then LT relationship hunting, not wife hunting! Good luck!

[MiXX]

How long to find a wife?

If you're very lucky...NEVER.

If you're like 90% of the beta male population, before you graduate college.


Mixx

[brianmark]

(01-28-2012 01:20 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

What's up with all this negativity and philosophy?
I need some hard tips and suggestions, and some encouragement would be nice.
"You know, like go to Country A, stay there for at least a year, meet girls through social circle or online dating. Try looking for personality traits such as kindness, loyalty, etc. Behaviors X, Y, and Z are indicative of this. Don't worry if you screw up, you can always try again since you don't have to worry about alimony and shit. You can always move to another country to avoid problems like that. Just give it a try, you'll probably find a woman in the FSU. You're odds are good with having money, citizenship, not being an alcoholic, etc. Try focusing on traits X, Y, and Z. Demonstrate this through behaviors A, B, and C. Wear this kind of clothing and meet women in these locations, etc."

Anyone with good, solid information on the FSU who has been there and can give these kinds of tips?

I wouldn’t have written you my long post if I had read this post first. I don’t think you’re a troll. You have tons of good advice here to work with and you are not listening to our advice, so there is no need to give you any more advice. You want to get married in a short period of time and you want a guarantee on life when none exist!

[LowerCaseG]

Here's my advice about not being lonely.

Get a Dog.

[Amour Fou]

(01-27-2012 06:59 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Fuck, I don't think I can stand being alone for another 5 years (4yr MD, + at least 1 yr residency)
Could you imagine spending the next 5 years of your life alone?

... So you want to marry a girl (as it seems, "any" girl) out of FEAR --of being alone- rather than LOVE, PASSION, DESIRE, JOY FOR LIFE?

Out or SCARCITY rather than ABUNDANCE?

Nothing that is driven out of FEAR is ever good, healthy and longlasting.

If you are AFRAID of being alone, it only signals that you have some issues with your own self that you have to solve, and not unload it on someone else. You are just running away from things, from yourself, your own pain.

Only in your head will finding a wife solve any of your problems (fear). It will just perpetuate and mask them. And possibly injury someone else.

Sorry for laying it how it is, but you come here for real man to man advice, and we (well, myself at least) try to do our best.

Spending some time alone might be all you need, actually. Getting in touch with yourself, you know.