Quote: (05-23-2015 08:52 AM)Ziltoid Wrote:
Quote: (05-23-2015 07:37 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:
I'm curious to hear this new information on downgrading the importance of evolutionary theory that keeps being alluded to.
I'm curious about this, too.
You've alluded to it a lot on twitter for the past couple months, but haven't really clarified your position, Roosh. Do you have a blog post or ROK article planned for the near future about this?
Do you deny the theory of evolution entirely, or do you just feel evolutionary psychology is being applied in ways that are too abstract and flimsy?
I know that I too will be looking forward to his response, but when I read your question I thought about this a bit as well.
I've been browsing TheRedPill subreddit on and off constantly for about the last 2 years. It has undoubtedly grown into a subreddit today whose message differs from the guys who used to post there. In the beginning, there were a lot of questions directly pertaining to game advice, life purpose (philosophy), and actively engaging in political discussions with the naturally curious, bitter feminists, white knights, and outright trolls. At one point I remember that some members even tried to create a Feminist Victims Fund for men who had been crucified in the public sphere for standing up for themselves. (think about the guy on the bus who got fired for upper-cutting that ho after she tried to fight him while he was driving a bus full of people)
But somewhere along the line, the mod team decided to curtail that behavior by instituting rules prohibiting cross-posting and direct linking, while subsequently promoting a culture of isolationism. The general rule of that sub is to never speak about TRP outside of TRP across the Redditsphere or even in real life. Effectively, this meant they wanted to fight a war (or promote their message in a hostile environment) by talking within a self-imposed safe space. In other words, the focus was no longer on driving a message, but on preserving a message. (and here I will point to the fact that while their absolute membership has grown, the relative power that sub used to have in providing men with important information about game, purpose, and living has waned)
It is my opinion that this policy had disastrous consequences. After these policies were introduced, many of the original topics discussed there began to subside because of the membership influx. This was the equivalent of people walking into a movie that was an hour and a half in screaming at the top of their lungs, "WELL WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MOVIE ALL ABOUT?"
As a result, a lot of the OG members on the sub began to disappear or create their own off-shoots of TRP. The original mod bounced, and a few of the original contributors bounced over to /r/AlreadyRed, and /r/DarkEnlightenment .
Now, to answer your question.
Game speaks multitudes about the behaviors required for men to attract women. A topic we spoke ad infintum on this forum about, and one that is ingrained in the psyche of all TRP members, is about holding traits in alignment with the Dark Triad. (narcissism, psychopathy, and machiavellianism) By demonstrating these traits at large, one should be able to secure a multitude of pussy because these were the traits that women were evolutionary bred to select because they signal dominance in the human male hierarchy.
However, it doesn't take a genius to realize that these are not traits that one would necessarily want to hold up in esteem in our society. Among your own friends, would you value Dark Triad traits in a close friend or would you prefer a one who is honest and forth-coming, loyal, resourceful, and who genuinely cares about your endeavors (that is, he has at least a shred of empathy)
That is a no-brainer to me. But curiously enough, TRP cannot answer the question as to why, if your goal is to be in the Top 10/20/30/40 percent of men who get pussy, they should spread their message to men in the first place. If women's attraction is based on the relative standing of men in a hierarchy, then why would TRP want to enrich men with a message that would only harm the members already in it by encouraging more competition among men?
My belief is that their tactics and their philosophy are entirely incompatible with a healthy society (one that grows) and that it is dependent upon the further exploitation of men in our society to grow for their ideal to be met. Let's admit it, to spin plates requires a society to tacitly accept the premise of Alpha fucks/beta bucks, which requires that some are sacrificed for the good of others.
Evolution would say that the battle for pussy is a winner takes all, survival of the fittest scenario. (this is inherently amoral)
We can either believe that, or we can try to do something truly revolutionary and perhaps create some pride in uplifting the downtrodden men of our society by creating an environment that is personally beneficial to all men. I honestly don't know if it can be done, but I am willing to listen to those with new ideas because the only options for men in our society currently is to either cannibalize ourselves (MGTOW + MRA) or eachother. (TRP)