[Saweeep]

I've never really enjoyed much of Krauser's material.

He always comes across as the bitter state school boy who never manages to quite fit in with his blue blooded classmates at a red brick university; no matter how hard he tries, how much money he has or what he achieves.

He is desperate to be an English gent, but can't quite make it across the threshold.

[JJ Roberts]

Never read or posted in the "post your unpopular opinions" thread (until today when I read the Krauser post) but isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

[Suits]

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Never read or posted in the "post your unpopular opinions" thread (until today when I read the Krauser post) but isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Roosh has never stated that this thread gives anyone a special license.

Normal policy applies no matter what a thread's title seems to suggest.

[Carlos100]

After reading Krauser's post, it appears to me that he probably made it after imbibing a few beers or glasses of wine. It was coherent enough to look like he put some real thought into it, but more boilerplate in its opinions than most people are willing to make in public. I know by experience because I sometimes make the mistake of logging-in to some of the forums that I follow after I've had a few and then posting what I think is a brilliant soliloquy on some topic or other. When I read it the next morning I just cringe, but there's nothing that I can do about it because if I apologize it makes me look like a bigger idiot, so I just hope it will be buried and disappear. FWIW.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-22-2015 07:02 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:46 AM)roberto Wrote:  

Everyone is rooting each other...

RVF members are fucking each other?

That's a little too much bro-community for my taste.

No seriously - people have different reasons for joining a forum. Not contributing too much or not caring about it is no biggie - everyone is free to do what he wants. Some people just don't have the time, because they are busy living their real lives or having their own blogs as means of self-expression.

I also don't buy that guilty-by-association argument in terms of Tom Torrero. There are respected members here like Bojangles who are associated with Krauser, or even befriended as far as I know. Other members have met Krauser on travels and have reported favorably about it.

Also Krauser's rant on the unpopular-opinions-thread was probably the worst kind of self-promotion out there. If he wanted to do PR, then he would be posting non-stop here on all topics and have just a link to his site at the bottom - that would make sense business-wise.

If it comes to money he is popular and respected enough to make money RSD-style, selling over-priced seminars, private coaching sessions to wealthy or well-off clients - he could easily clear 200k doing that with relatively little work involved. There is a reason why professional PUAs all have those products as their main cash-cows. Books are all good and well, but I don't think that you can continually clear 7-digits annually by selling books on Game as of yet. But you can do that offering seminars for 500-2000$ a pop and private coachings for 10.000-30.000$/year. And there is a legitimate market for that - it certainly beats bottle services or strip-clubs for 5.000$/weekend with little return on investment.

[zombiejimmorrison]

He sounds very bitter. You can tell a lot about someones character when they speak freely. The fact that he thinks people on here are liars and fakes is not surprising, considering he's okay with genocide.

People who show little regard and empathy to their fellow humans tend to be psychopaths. He has all the makings of someone who would throw you under the bus for self interest. The people who keep this place going are definitely good people, who can smell when somethings off.

[micha]

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Never read or posted in the "post your unpopular opinions" thread (until today when I read the Krauser post) but isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

At first I thought, too, that posting in that particular thread should make the post appear in a different light, and therefore not be ban-worthy.
However, thinking about it for longer, it doesn't really matter what the thread title was.

For one, it's NOT EVEN fitting to the thread. Because an opinion is always provided with context that explains why you came to a particular conclusion.

"I have never met a beautiful Korean woman despite having lived here for 3 years. I even searched the internet for hours on end. Koreans are all ugly."

While debatable and not constructive for any purpose - that is an opinion.


"French people are all faggots" is not an opinion. That's an insult.

Where I live that shit can land you in a courtroom.



Secondly, what struck me as funny is his depiction of black men being impulsive and childlike, while displaying those exact characteristics by posting this trash.

Straight up insulting the male population of entire nations is nothing if not childish and driven by a temporary emotional low (as he admitted first thing in the post).


AND LASTLY only because it was encouraged to say controversial things doesn't mean no rules apply anymore.
You can't admit to murder only because someone asked you to tell them something terrible about yourself.

Grown ups know that shit - children don't.

[Roosh]

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

[micha]

(02-22-2015 08:12 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

He sounds very bitter. You can tell a lot about someones character when they speak freely. The fact that he thinks people on here are liars and fakes is not surprising, considering he's okay with genocide.

People who show little regard and empathy to their fellow humans tend to be psychopaths. He has all the makings of someone who would throw you under the bus for self interest. The people who keep this place going are definitely good people, who can smell when somethings off.

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that.

People who wish for the death of people they know nothing about always had a special place in my heart.

I don't think I'd be saying "hi" if I ever met him on the street. Then again, of course he doesn't care - he made that plenty clear.

[Enigma]

It's interesting that he has such a low opinion of people with less game than him, when he himself didn't get started until 34. I'd guess at least 50% of the forum is actually younger than that.

This stood out also:

Quote:

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of PUAs / players I've met who can consistently bang girls better-looking than they are. Almost everyone else is leveraging something else - looks, money, a scene "in", SEA - or else just plain lying.

Basically, the lifestyle improvement -- get money, get in shape, build a social circle -- game that many in the manosphere preach actually doesn't count.

Then there's the stuff about how bad all of Asia is, except for Japan, where his ex-wife happens to be from. All of the Western world sucks, except for where he's from. Meanwhile deriding people for "turning their back on the country".

But then flips it again and says "you are...not your nationality". Essentially, whatever race you are born is exactly who you are, regardless of what you do to improve yourself. Again, seems odd from someone who completely flipped their life around in their mid-to-late 30s.

[JJ Roberts]

(02-22-2015 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

[Carlos100]

(02-22-2015 09:01 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

Put in parentheses in the thread title that it includes all opinions except those that criticize this forum's philosophy or its members.

[JJ Roberts]

(02-22-2015 09:06 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:01 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

Put in parentheses in the thread title that it includes all opinions except those that criticize this forum's philosophy or its members.

Seems a bit long.

Something like [usual forum rules apply] at the end should be enough.

[micha]

Or you could leave it as it is and use it as a tool to weed out dimwits who don't bother to bring their common sense to the forum.

[Suits]

(02-22-2015 09:11 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:06 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:01 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

Put in parentheses in the thread title that it includes all opinions except those that criticize this forum's philosophy or its members.

Seems a bit long.

Something like [usual forum rules apply] at the end should be enough.

This should be common sense and doesn't need to be in any thread titles.

Unless Roosh or Tuth were to say otherwise, the usual forum rules always apply.

If you were to post photographs in a thread entitled "Post Child Pornography Here!" you could reasonably expect to be banned.

Other than the two moderators, no one here has any authority to direct members to ignore existing forum policies or to create exceptions.

[Ensam]

(02-22-2015 09:01 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 08:32 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 07:21 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

isn't the point of the thread that it's a no-holds-barred-post-what-you-want and is an exception to censored or mod'ed content of the forum?

Nope. Tuth or I have never stated that rules are exempted for that thread.

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

The creator of the thread was banned after only 17 posts, half of which were in that thread. I would hardly take his thread title as any kind of authorization to go hog wild.

[Pride male]

Yeah, we need to stop the forum from becoming the Rooshfront.

[JJ Roberts]

(02-22-2015 09:20 AM)Ensam Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 09:01 AM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  

Hmmm ok. Title of the thread seems a bit mis-leading in that place.

The creator of the thread was banned after only 17 posts, half of which were in that thread. I would hardly take his thread title as any kind of authorization to go hog wild.

Like I said, never even looked at that thread before today.

I can easily see why someone, from the thread title alone, might take it as an invitation to post whatever opinion that they want on any subject that they want.

[Deluge]

(02-22-2015 08:35 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

It's interesting that he has such a low opinion of people with less game than him, when he himself didn't get started until 34. I'd guess at least 50% of the forum is actually younger than that.

I think the average age of visitors is 27.

(02-22-2015 08:35 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Then there's the stuff about how bad all of Asia is, except for Japan, where his ex-wife happens to be from. All of the Western world sucks, except for where he's from. Meanwhile deriding people for "turning their back on the country".

But then flips it again and says "you are...not your nationality". Essentially, whatever race you are born is exactly who you are, regardless of what you do to improve yourself. Again, seems odd from someone who completely flipped their life around in their mid-to-late 30s.

It is surprising finding out his ex-wife was Japanese. I always found his rhetoric on immigrants ironic as well, considering he's from the U.K but part German of all things.

I agreed with some of the points he made, but others were just ridiculous. I asked him specifically about his opinion on Brits in the thread because drunk British people are the most worst behaved group of people I've ever come across (yes even Australians are better). Calling Chinese people savages and not saying anything about Brits is bullshit, and yes I'm talking about Chinese in China itself. Krauser is from the North East of England as well, an industrial shithole that is the bottom of the already deep barrel in the U.K (unsurprisingly the most xenophobic too), so that was quite a glaring omission. At least that he looks down own on 80% or whatever it was of Brits as well.

[TravelerKai]

My head is spinning because I am hungover. I need to lay down, but I got an axe to grind on this.

I will be honest, I kinda wish I could clinch this dude and give him Muay Thai knee strikes until he is unconscious, but that never solves anything.

I hate it when guys like this in the Manosphere, give into selfishness like this. I was taken out last night for my birthday. Instead, I spent 2 hours, in a bar teaching 4 random Asian guys game and how to approach a group of females. I covered all the basics and even took off my ring and demonstrated how to get it done. They did not get any numbers, but they tried their hardest and hung out with me the whole night and picked my brain on game. They were impressed with how I managed to get one of the targets only wanting me that night and how easy it seemed. She ended up drunk and vomiting all over the place, so one could take her home but we still had a great time learning and bonding as men and they were extremely grateful to me.

What really bugs me is that guys, need to understand that being a man involves sacrifice. I could have easily sat on the stool and kept drinking scotch that whole night laughing at these dudes orbiting over females getting no play at all. I got off my stool and opened class. Why? Because life is not about me. It's about what I leave behind. We all must make sacrifices on a daily basis. I do not give a shit if you are a single player for life. If some little old lady next door needs help moving 20 boxes out of her place, you should stop and help her. She could have been a feminist from the 60's or 70s. What does it matter? It won't kill you to give a hand.

Men are leaders. Leadership starts from the front. Roosh and Tuth have to be making ridiculous personal sacrifices behind the scenes, and I can imagine that it increases every year. They don't whine and bitch about it. Many sacrifices are thankless, but we must do these things because it is our duty as men. Older men more so, have to be more responsible because they have the wisdom and the experience to know that the younger guys still have to develop certain awareness, and often times need room to grow/learn. This is where a guy like Krauser fails us all so disappointingly. He earned the authority to lead other men and he not only shirked his duty, but he turned his back and spit on it too.

For all of you up in coming guys, be sure not to do this stuff. Your words, your actions, your reputation can hurt others if you cave into selfish and stupid behavior. You do not know who is lurking, reading, and hoping to grow by reading or watching what you do.

All red pill men should strive to help make this world better in ways voting, protesting, and mere fighting would never hope to accomplish.

I was thinking this morning this and thought about something from that game Call of Duty. Anyone that has played any of them, knows that quite often while playing, if your character is about to die, some other character turns around to reach back and pick your guy up off the ground and your character stops dying. Call of Duty is a very easy game to play and this is one of the reasons why. Still I cannot help but admire the powerful imagery of teamwork/collaboration and symbolism involved, that if we as men reach back and pick each other up, we will never die. We will live forever.

[Rutting Elephant]

^^^

[LouEvilSlugger]

Krauser is full of shit. Didn't he claim that his ex-wife (pre-game) was a Japanese 10?

[Suits]

(02-22-2015 10:09 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Men are leaders. Leadership starts from the front.

This is a big part of the reason why I recently dropped my datasheet on party hosting. I haven't gone into the details of my line of thinking much on this forum yet, because it's a work in progress, but I think that we as men, as red-pill men, need to start reclaiming society.

For me that means offering a quality alternative to the vapid and anti-social offers of modern night life.

Currently, women dictate so much, especially socially, because it's so easy to organize social outings that add up to little more than meeting at a restaurant and having all the men invited pay for everyone else's meals.

Even if there is a more efficient means of getting laid, I'm leaning towards going the route of accessing my pussy through forming a larger social circle that allows me to share value and set an example of good friendly, social behaviour to both men and women.

Just looking out for yourself all the time can be an unsatisfying experience from my perspective.

There are ways to begin to reclaim society without having to change political leadership (which is a whole different ball game that we have little to no power over).

[JoyStick]

@TravelerKai

[Fortis]

Funny. I own his shit and got some value out of it, but I always felt a bit of cognitive dissonance whenever I've read his blog. It's like, "why am I actively defending a dude who thinks so poorly of anyone who isn't an anglo neocon?"

I'm not sure how anyone can defend Krauser after that offal he spewed. I used to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there was no equivocating on what he said. It wasn't even the black man comment that really bothered me. Any black guy alive has dealt with ignorant shit like that. What bothers me is that he's someone dudes look up to on this forum. Does anyone really want to be like that? I respect his game, but there is more to a man than game and he showed himself to be quite hollow. I won't be defending the fellow any further.