[Vicious]

In Krauser's defense he did voice his opinions in a thread meant to voice contrarian views in. Not that I agree with him, quite the opposite.

But attacking the general forum membership is downright pussy behaviour, it springs to mind the kind of high school girl that lets everyone know how much she hates people who are "fake" (by implication telling others how "real" one is).

And the racial comments... I don't' even know where to start on those.

[Kaizen]

I like Krauser for his daygame wisdom but don't care much for his thoughts outside game.

In fairness to him, it was an 'unpopular opinions' thread. And threads related to his material were started by other people.

[41490_0]

Not once was anything mentioned about women in Krausers post.

We as men get enough of hate and other sort of vileness from women, when it becomes Men hating other men based on there skin colour, country etc then we have a major problem.

Game is suppose to be about helping all men (not a pre-selected few)

Everyone can have there views and opinions, but politics and has no place here unless it relates to how it will effect my daily encounters of my dating of women then its irrelevant.

WAKE UP!!! and start helping your fellow man instead of dissing other men from a corner like a bunch of immature school kids, this is not a womens bitching forum this is a place for men to improve there game and get to a point where they can hopefully achieve where they want to be with women and not what society dictates.

Humility is key please to every teacher and instructor and everyone who is aware of this never forget where you were before beacuse it could have been very different, I'm not here to listen to other people hating on other men I here to be inspired, come to this forum to get help and know that whenever any man is from they can improve there dating/relationships/interactions with women they like.

[CleanSlate]

Not to get involved in any sort of drama here, but I've heard of Krauser and was starting to learn his stuff. Pretty disappointing.

[Comte De St. Germain]

(02-22-2015 10:09 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

My head is spinning because I am hungover. I need to lay down, but I got an axe to grind on this.

I will be honest, I kinda wish I could clinch this dude and give him Muay Thai knee strikes until he is unconscious, but that never solves anything.

I hate it when guys like this in the Manosphere, give into selfishness like this. I was taken out last night for my birthday. Instead, I spent 2 hours, in a bar teaching 4 random Asian guys game and how to approach a group of females. I covered all the basics and even took off my ring and demonstrated how to get it done. They did not get any numbers, but they tried their hardest and hung out with me the whole night and picked my brain on game. They were impressed with how I managed to get one of the targets only wanting me that night and how easy it seemed. She ended up drunk and vomiting all over the place, so one could take her home but we still had a great time learning and bonding as men and they were extremely grateful to me.

What really bugs me is that guys, need to understand that being a man involves sacrifice. I could have easily sat on the stool and kept drinking scotch that whole night laughing at these dudes orbiting over females getting no play at all. I got off my stool and opened class. Why? Because life is not about me. It's about what I leave behind. We all must make sacrifices on a daily basis. I do not give a shit if you are a single player for life. If some little old lady next door needs help moving 20 boxes out of her place, you should stop and help her. She could have been a feminist from the 60's or 70s. What does it matter? It won't kill you to give a hand.

Men are leaders. Leadership starts from the front. Roosh and Tuth have to be making ridiculous personal sacrifices behind the scenes, and I can imagine that it increases every year. They don't whine and bitch about it. Many sacrifices are thankless, but we must do these things because it is our duty as men. Older men more so, have to be more responsible because they have the wisdom and the experience to know that the younger guys still have to develop certain awareness, and often times need room to grow/learn. This is where a guy like Krauser fails us all so disappointingly. He earned the authority to lead other men and he not only shirked his duty, but he turned his back and spit on it too.

For all of you up in coming guys, be sure not to do this stuff. Your words, your actions, your reputation can hurt others if you cave into selfish and stupid behavior. You do not know who is lurking, reading, and hoping to grow by reading or watching what you do.

All red pill men should strive to help make this world better in ways voting, protesting, and mere fighting would never hope to accomplish.

I was thinking this morning this and thought about something from that game Call of Duty. Anyone that has played any of them, knows that quite often while playing, if your character is about to die, some other character turns around to reach back and pick your guy up off the ground and your character stops dying. Call of Duty is a very easy game to play and this is one of the reasons why. Still I cannot help but admire the powerful imagery of teamwork/collaboration and symbolism involved, that if we as men reach back and pick each other up, we will never die. We will live forever.

Post of a lifetime. Leading by example is always a classy act.

[TravelerKai]

I had a typo in there. It should have read "so no one could take her home"

[dies irae]

@TravelerKai dropped some amazing wisdom here. That post is one of the many reasons that brings me to this forum everyday.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-22-2015 11:07 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Funny. I own his shit and got some value out of it, but I always felt a bit of cognitive dissonance whenever I've read his blog. It's like, "why am I actively defending a dude who thinks so poorly of anyone who isn't an anglo neocon?"

Frankly I find dissonance in that regard fine. If someone is an expert at Game and I can learn from him, then I don't give a rat's ass if I agree with the person on other issues.

And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.

In a way that is true around the forum here - you have guys who agree with some posters strongly, give them a rep point, then when they find out that he has a different opinion on for example nutrition, economics or politics, then all the respect for the guy is gone and they withdraw that rep point, because obviously he is scum of the Earth for not sharing 100% of your opinions.

We will see what the whole rant was about - I don't think it's really serious. I hope Krauser responds to it in some fashion. He already mentioned in his recent Twitter posts, that he is not some kind of supremacist and his clients are a diverse bunch.

It may have been an error on his part to underestimate the weight of his words here - he is not a no-name member, but someone with far greater visibility being out there publicly, so guys like that have to measure their words with a little more care.

And whether he is not sacrificing enough to enlighten the fellow man - well that is a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with being focused mainly on your own life.

[Fortis]

Zelcorpion

I agree, but what I was getting at was that I was never particularly fond of him to begin with (beyond his game stuff) and this little blow-up on his part just put him in the doghouse in my eyes. I can find quality day-game info elsewhere. Not that anyone gives a fuck. I would actively encourage people to continue to learn from him because he knows his stuff, but his character is questionable to me. That's all I'm saying.

Furthermore, it's crazy shit like that that alienates a lot of people from red-pill ideas. There is probably a lurker who was going to sign up, but read krauser's rant and went, "whoa, these dudes are crazy." I'm glad that Roosh and Tuth are nixing that shit because that isn't what this place is about.

[Aliblahba]

This is why I don't read the manosphere. There's just too many smoke and mirrors on the internet. I'm beginning to think as a whole it's doing more harm than good for men who really need the help.

[Moma]

(02-22-2015 12:38 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

This is why I don't read the manosphere. There's just too many smoke and mirrors on the internet. I'm beginning to think as a whole it's doing more harm than good for men who really need the help.

What's the manosphere? I thought we were in it?

[Aliblahba]

I'm a member of the forum, not a movement. The voices of the manosphere don't speak in my behalf. As men, we should speak for ourselves.

[samsamsam]

(02-22-2015 07:09 AM)Horus Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:57 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 06:46 AM)roberto Wrote:  

Everyone is rooting each other...

I'm waiting for the Australians among us to get upset about this.

No offense Horus, I totally thought it was a Steve McMahon post!

(02-22-2015 12:06 PM)dies irae Wrote:  

@TravelerKai dropped some amazing wisdom here. That post is one of the many reasons that brings me to this forum everyday.

I have decided to kidnap TK and do a Vulcan mindmeld. There are a few others on the list for kidnapping and mindmelding. No rooting involved.

[Deluge]

(02-22-2015 12:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.

We will see what the whole rant was about - I don't think it's really serious. I hope Krauser responds to it in some fashion. He already mentioned in his recent Twitter posts, that he is not some kind of supremacist and his clients are a diverse bunch.

He thinks the majority of RVF members are fake and sees practically all other ethnicities as inferior. That is the very definition of hating and racism. "Far right side of the bell curve" excepted my ass. Saying he's not racist because of his clients or instructors is like someone saying they can't be racist because they have a Black friend, it doesn't change anything.

Personally I never found his racism to be a big deal, there are a lot more racist people then that in this corner of the internet. What always bothered me about Krauser was his superiority complex more generally. i.e saying guys with looks/status/money/connections are only leveraging that, like the only way it's acceptable to pickup girls is to be a bald, below average looking 35 year old man with elite "verbal game". I agree with his point that most guys who are consistently banging girls who are hotter than them are leveraging other things, but he says it like he considers them inferior or inauthentic for doing it, while ignoring the fact he himself is leveraging his environment and lifestyle travelling to EE to meet women, not to mention being an English foreigner. There's nothing wrong with him leveraging what he can for a better sex life, but looking down on us for doing the same thing is whack.

He seems like an intelligent guy and I'm sure his game advice is legit since so many people vouch for it, but I've come to the conclusion that I don't see any reason we should tolerate someone who is part of and benefits financially from this community, yet shit talks it. We'll see if he tries to make amends, but this is a whole different ball game then just disagreeing with someone over their opinions.

[Roosh]

I think Krauser is a very intelligent guy, and he's obviously used that intelligence to apply game successfully and come up with game ideas on his own, but in spite of that, he has enormous blind spots that has allowed toxic ideas and insecure emotions to affect his judgement and overall life philosophy. He also associates with characters who bring down his thinking and reputation.

I had to stop reading his game advice months ago because of his repeated insistence that only his game is actual game, as if he invented the concept and is the only one using it. He went off the deep end by consistently implying that anyone who is one-inch taller than him with 10 extra hairs on his head is not using game and so the notch doesn't count as strongly as when he spits game. He may be the only man where a high notch count didn't alleviate insecurities he holds about himself.

I think he can come back from the dark place he's in, but offending every non-white race and saying that genocide is justifiable will limit sales to his products more than pricing it at $100 a book. I'm scratching my head at the direction he has taken for the past year or two, and my best explanation for it is the friends that he keeps. I think he needs to ditch the crew he's with, get off the Stormfront tip, and use his influence to help all men who are victims of today's anti-male narrative, not just white guys who subscribe to his extreme views.

And besides, whenever I come across a white nationalist, I can't help but wonder why they haven't created white babies that are so essential for the white race. Krauser has been with many white women, decided not to reproduce with them, and then laments the loss of white superiority? I think his beliefs took a wrong turn somewhere along the line.

[TheWastelander]

(02-22-2015 12:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 11:07 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Funny. I own his shit and got some value out of it, but I always felt a bit of cognitive dissonance whenever I've read his blog. It's like, "why am I actively defending a dude who thinks so poorly of anyone who isn't an anglo neocon?"

And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.

Someone who compares black people to "frightened and impulsive" children and writes that various victims of genocide throughout history "had it coming" is a true racist.

[The Wire]

(02-22-2015 08:35 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

It's interesting that he has such a low opinion of people with less game than him, when he himself didn't get started until 34. I'd guess at least 50% of the forum is actually younger than that.

This stood out also:

Quote:

I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of PUAs / players I've met who can consistently bang girls better-looking than they are. Almost everyone else is leveraging something else - looks, money, a scene "in", SEA - or else just plain lying.

Basically, the lifestyle improvement -- get money, get in shape, build a social circle -- game that many in the manosphere preach actually doesn't count.

I didn't understand this either. I usually like a lot of what I've read from Krauser but that statement comes off odd. I mean if you are leveraging a lifestyle is that a bad thing? Wouldn't it be ideal to use your lifestyle to bang women over doing street pickup or am I reading into his post wrong? The one thing across the board that i've gathered about being a true player is it can be a bit of an empty existence. You bang 10 hot girls....now what? He just posted on his blog a few days ago "Game is a necessary but insufficient condition for a happy life".

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-22-2015 01:54 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(02-22-2015 12:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.

Someone who compares black people to "frightened and impulsive" children and writes that various victims of genocide throughout history "had it coming" is a true racist.

Again - the statements in the rant were racist of course, but I don't think he believes that really.

As far as toxic influences go - well I am certain that anyone going deep into Libertarian Ayn Rand philosophy is going to get his heart pulled to the deep dark and absolutely evil side. That ideology is not about freedom or or self-realization, it was created for something else economically speaking. Some of the the additional topics exalt abject self-service, total disregard for fellow human beings and even promote things like a market for children, ability to sell and trade humans etc. These are the guys and eugenicists who find it is absolutely within reason to kill a 3 year old if the mother does not want the child. I shit you not - that is a study published by real-life "scientists" who don't see a difference between Plan B abortion when the child is just a couple of cells and murdering a walking talking 3 year old!

Going into Ayn-Rand-ism is like trying to learn from the force from Darth Sidious - it will only lead to more suffering and pain in the end - especially for men who are not really Dark Triad psychopaths.



Now of course Krauser may deny that and this is not a matter of intelligence as he is likely more intelligent than me. It's just that I can read it between the lines as I read some of the usual Libertarian stuff and was a "fan" once too.

[Roosh]

Zelcorpion: your continuous defense of racist views that couldn't be more clear or unambiguous implies that you share the same beliefs as him. Either that or you have the ability to read Krauser's mind even though you've never met him before. Maybe you can drop a data sheet on mind reading via an internet forum?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(02-22-2015 02:29 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Zelcorpion: your continuous defense of racist views that couldn't be more clear or unambiguous implies that you share the same beliefs as him. Either that or you have the ability to read Krauser's mind even though you've never met him before. Maybe you can drop a data sheet on mind reading via an internet forum?

No - I don't share the points in his rant at all. I am not some smart Stormfront member infiltrating RVF.

Yeah - it's more of a mind-reading perception, reading between the lines or maybe some kind of tolerance. I don't defend his recent utterings. I give him the benefit of the doubt and I appreciate his Game teachings.

That's as far as I would go with that. I cannot and will never share any racist or inhuman viewpoints - I would in fact prefer to die than be drafted to join something like the German SS.

And I don't want to start making some SJW-like me-not-racist statements by listing my friends or ex-girlfriends, which is stupid. If you review my posts, you won't find racists statements - maybe sometimes a bit strongly worded against Islam, but even that is not directed against the people born in that faith, but the religion itself.

For example I read Heartiste despite thinking that he is borderline racist or even racist - I just ignore his far-right stuff and stick to the Game tips.

As far as his rant goes this is the most I could stand behind personally:

Quote:

- Most men shouldn't attempt the player's lifestyle. (Game all, but Player - few)
- Obama is clearly a faggot. (likely though who knows)

That's it.

I will also refrain from defending Krauser from now on, as I may be associated with defending his extremist rant-viewpoints. Whether those are his most extreme opinions or just some borderline drunk statements is irrelevant. A man should not utter those things, because you are also going to be judged by your words and not by someone reading in your mind and seeing the good in you like some lunatic broad who fell for the serial killer and thinks that he certainly won't kill her.

Alright - I will let it go now and I am curious about his response, if you let him post here.

As far as a mind-reading datasheet goes - if I reach a 100% reliable level that can be taught - I will post it. But seriously - point taken.

[Game_Started]

(02-22-2015 01:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

He went off the deep end by consistently implying that anyone who is one-inch taller than him with 10 extra hairs on his head is not using game and so the notch doesn't count as strongly as when he spits game.

Which seems a bit ironic being that he's bffs with Jabba, who is taller, handsome (no homo), and has a full head of hair. I think he actually wrote up a post about GLG (good looking guy) game or something, calling it "not really game." So hamster spin and all that.

[Atlantic]

In the beginning...

(02-19-2015 05:29 AM)Krauser Wrote:  

- The UK should only consider asylum seekers from Iceland, Norway, Republic of Ireland and France.

But later...

(02-19-2015 05:29 AM)Krauser Wrote:  

The Irish are on the wrong side of the Hajnal Line. They are basically ginger Romanians. I'd rather we pulled out of Northern Island and had nothing to do with them. Leave them to their bizarre world of the Pope, gypsies and large hungry families

This will be one less ginger Romanian making a $100 book purchase. Pity I was enjoying balls deep.

[DJ-Matt]

The only thing I partially agree with would be that some members might exaggerate their stories with online dating in those Tinder and OKC threads. The only time I've had results since discovering game was in person, online has done jack shit for me. As for now I chalk this up to the size of my city being way less than 500k, because even my good-looking and jacked friends are getting nothing online also.

[TheRookie]

Way too much whining and speculating on Krauser's state of mind. Which is funny to me because if you read his blog and twitter he is nothing if not frank, clever, mentally stable, and well-traveled.

Stop using the following unmanly, feminine, speculating, passive aggressive arguments like this:

Quote:

-Krauser must have been drunk
-Krauser must have been feeling angry
-Krauser is too negative
-Krauser must have spent too much time gaming which made him angry ( yes, someone actually said this)
-Krauser must be posting on Stormfront

Try stating your opinion upfront, like a man, without speculating on his state of mind and emotions, like this:

Quote:

-I disagree with Krauser because I felt his statements were _______
-I disagree with Krauser because I lived in ______ and I felt the people were hardoworking
-Krauser is wrong on this issue because ________
-Krauser is dead wrong, and if I see him in person I will punch him in the face
-Krauser's free to hold his own opinions, but I don't think they belong here because they could derail the forum/they break the forum rules.

These are all much better and more respectable ways to state an opinion, and they won't make you sound like a schoolmarmy feminist.

Notice how Roosh in the OP made specific points and upfront stated his beef with Krauser and London Daygame, without saying "wow Krauser is so bitter maybe he has a tiny penis and lives in his mom's basement." That is the way to do it.

Also notice that a black man, Old Fritz, did not have his panties all up in a wad because of Krauser's unpopular opinions:

(02-21-2015 07:50 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

There was a lot he had to say in his rant I liked his post because there were a few key things that I agreed with. However, this does not mean I liked every single thing he wrote. An example being the quasi storm front elements; especially since I am black.

What's important to note is that this likely applies to others that liked his post. There may be some things he said that they agree with but not the entire post.

Just wanted to make a note on that.

Cheers Fritz. Even though we are all faceless internet posters, I have a healthy respect for Fritz after that post.

[michelin]

While I don´t agree with the content of Krauser´s post, let´s not forget that the thread where he wrote these things does encourage "anything goes" posts. That thread was created by a guy (ErrybareMyronGainez) who got quickly banned.

While I don´t want to promote PC threads, I do believe it would be a good thing to also close down that nonsensic "Unpopular opinions" thread.

Just my 2 cents.