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04-01-2016, 04:51 PM
Quote: (04-01-2016 04:25 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:
No. I'm saying that roissy's interpretative framework is a crock of shit. It fits perfectly with vox's definition of "gamma."
Can you elaborate a bit more on why? As far as Vox I take it you're referring to this list..
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/02/ident...males.html
"Does PUA say that I just need to get to f-close base first here and some weird chemicals will be released in her brain to make her a better person?"
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-01-2016, 11:36 PM
Yeah, he is brilliant. Was he the first to coin the phrases, the Wall and the cock carousel?
Don't debate me.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-02-2016, 09:57 AM
He also has many odes to Love and how one should never jade themselves out of partaking in one of life's pleasure -- the love of a good woman.
Whereas one would assume someone with such harsh views would also be shitting on love as "just oxytocin".
In the classic years there were periods where his writing was almost uplifting, causing commenters to speculate he was in a relationship!
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-02-2016, 01:33 PM
Quote: (04-01-2016 04:51 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:
Can you elaborate a bit more on why? As far as Vox I take it you're referring to this list..
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/02/ident...males.html
I tend to see a lot of Roissy's argumentation as "women don't see how special how I am, so they're all hypergamous sluts who ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall." In my opinion, it's the male rationalization hamster, much like the female one.
Basically, I see it like this:
Women: "I want to have a child but not a marriage."
Result: has child, loses possible economic and employment benefits.
Her response: "My employer is clearly not a feminist; he discriminates against me for being a woman."
Man: "I want access to top-shelf women. I'm going to vastly improve my outer game."
Result: Has little success because of poor inner game/questionable beliefs. Doesn't realize importance of lifestyle changes (gym, clothing, etc.)
Response: "Well, they all must be hypergamous sluts."
Both of these ideas disgust me. They both abdicate personal responsibility. Men accept responsibility and change their situations. Losers don't.
If you're not fucking her, someone else is.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-02-2016, 07:13 PM
Great thread. Searching Roissy has been always difficult for me and I would give up. But thread makes Roissy understandable.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-03-2016, 12:03 PM
Quote: (04-02-2016 01:33 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:
Quote: (04-01-2016 04:51 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:
Can you elaborate a bit more on why? As far as Vox I take it you're referring to this list..
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/02/ident...males.html
I tend to see a lot of Roissy's argumentation as "women don't see how special how I am, so they're all hypergamous sluts who ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall." In my opinion, it's the male rationalization hamster, much like the female one.
Basically, I see it like this:
Women: "I want to have a child but not a marriage."
Result: has child, loses possible economic and employment benefits.
Her response: "My employer is clearly not a feminist; he discriminates against me for being a woman."
Man: "I want access to top-shelf women. I'm going to vastly improve my outer game."
Result: Has little success because of poor inner game/questionable beliefs. Doesn't realize importance of lifestyle changes (gym, clothing, etc.)
Response: "Well, they all must be hypergamous sluts."
Both of these ideas disgust me. They both abdicate personal responsibility. Men accept responsibility and change their situations. Losers don't.
I just don't see Heartiste as that kind of an influence. His position is that all men should learn game, and that all men can benefit from it. He does call out hypergamous sluts, yes, but the entire point of the blog is to do exactly what you said in your last sentence. Men take responsibility for their lot in life and he helps provide the tools for men to understand the reality of the sexual market.
He's never said anything "elliot rogers-esque" where he is just bitching about the state of things and playing the victim. Except for maybe the political slant of the blog.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-11-2016, 04:27 AM
Have any of you tried a sexbot? Sounds like something out of Fallout: New Vegas. At some point, I may get sick of the shit tests and flakes and go out and buy a sex bot, but really I'd rather just go across the street to Whole Foods and day game more.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-11-2016, 12:11 PM
Dont read him much nowadays since he alienated a large part of his fanbase. But I am going to go through his earlier work during his golden era.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-11-2016, 11:11 PM
I don't agree with the multiple author idea. My guess is that Roissy is just trying to muddy the waters and avoid being identified.
No fame for anonymous contributors, no share of earnings from clickbait; no reason for a collaboration to exist.
As for differences in writing style - he's very much a "speaker," not a compiler of lines.
When you begin an impromptu speech, it has an organic rise and fall. You already have a feeling how you're going to end it as you begin.
Those uplifting posts were usually semi-fictional and ended with a poignant one-liner. They're a genre.
A talented writer can do many genres.
He's one of the most powerful writers on game out there.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-19-2016, 04:47 PM
Been digging through the archives lately, finding some good gems:
"Many men are crippled by doubt. They have no understanding of the possible. To these men I say: Stop listening to the jealous naysayers, the bitter betas, the furious fembots, the condescending scolds, the cackling cunts, your Mom, your Dad, your drinking buddies, your aging ex, your fat girlfriend, your boss, society, the world. They don’t have your best interest at heart. They never did, and they never will. You have no idea just what you are capable of as a man. Game is that powerful."
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-20-2016, 02:56 PM
From "The Self Made Beta"
"Here is my call to arms. I believe it is every man’s duty to impolitely flirt and pass sexual judgement on each attractive woman who crosses his path. I believe it is every man’s right, no matter what his age, to refuse to apologize for his natural desires, to make no excuses for his deviant wants, and to grab any opportunity to hit on women in his field of view. I believe it is every man’s mission statement at birth to disturb a woman’s banal self-satisfied sanctuary — her cultivated immunity from unsettling intrusions of the psychologically erectile form— whenever she cavalierly insults his primal urges with naive overtures toward tepid, desexualized friendliness."
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/...made-beta/
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-29-2016, 10:06 PM
When I read stuff like that I think, "yes, but so what?..." It's not like girls are going to want to jump on your dick just because you stare them down.
If only you knew how bad things really are.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-30-2016, 08:28 AM
The type of article that speaks to his base, because it confirms their worldview by purposefully limiting the scope to things that they already believe.
This is one area where a red pill mouth breather should question the king based on his experience with actual women.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-30-2016, 09:07 AM
That time to boredom article is perfect example of some made up red pill speculation that says nothing at all and gives readers no practical advice whatsoever. I see no value in such articles
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
04-30-2016, 09:27 AM
The only good thing about that dull Roissy "boredom" post was scrolling down and seeing a Basil Ransom comment from 2009.
I really miss that guy; one of the best in every way.
same old shit, sixes and sevens Shaft...
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
05-01-2016, 02:11 AM
He must have been bored while writing it.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
06-29-2016, 10:33 AM
Is anybody still reading Heartiste. I havent been there in months.
Don't debate me.
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The Roissy Reader: Chateau Heartiste on Game
06-29-2016, 10:48 AM
It's such a habit now -- just hoping to glean some good game insights.
But to be honest there's not much going on anymore if you are avoiding the negativity.
Part of the classic blog was that feeling of being in the inner-circle, the real-talk, gripping writing, turns of phrase, etc. It's hard to give that up, and it would mark a new era to go weeks without seeing what's new on that site.
Typing this out is making it pretty clear to me -- I probably should just stop visiting it.