Screening, as a general concept has been touched on before:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17481.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17758.html
Still, I felt this needed to be talked about again. The LAST thing you want to do is waste your time and money on a girl that has no interest in having sex with you that night, or possibly ever.
I think the strongest part of my game is SNLs, and below I'm going to try to look at some key signals and trends I've picked up over the years. I'll also note that my game is very passive-aggresive, so what works for me may need to be adjusted a little to work for you.
Keep in mind this is only for night game, day game is very different, as you won't really be screening a girl that's DTF at the grocery store. Also, this isn't really about looking for IOIs, if you're reading this, you should know what those are by now. This is strictly about being able to quickly screen out the girls that have no intention of getting naked anytime soon.
First and MOST importantly, girls that are NOT DTF:
-There's obvious blow-outs, these don't fall into that category, these are girls wasting your time, possibly leading you on... with no intention of sex that night-
1. She's resistant to slightly intimate touch -
Sure she'll carry on a conversation, and let you grab her arm or hand, but if you leave it there too long, or the second you move that hand to her waist she recoils. Just get move on. She's either too shy, too unconfident in herself or not as into as you had thought.
What's confusing here is she seemed into you via the convo, and let you touch her, sort of, but trust me you're better off working on a different girl that night. Try to get a number if you feel like it, and cut your losses.
2. She's more concerned with -
Anything else! She should be asking some sort of personal questions, and if she just wants to talk about herself, her friends, kid, job, etc, then guess what, she just wants attention.
What's confusing here is she IS talking to you, and she IS talking about herself, the problem is she's trying to turn you into her fan, rather than fuck buddy. Don't be that guy, and don't bother with the number either.
3. She starts talking to any other guy -
If she breaks the convo with you to talk to another guy for more than 2 minutes, she's not trying to make you jealous, she's just not interested! Doesn't matter if it's her best friend that she hasn't seen in 10 years, if she's into banging you, you'll have her undivided attention.
There's nothing confusing about this.
4. She says she'll be right back, but isn't -
Doesn't matter how good the convo was going, how good the kino, if she vanishes for an extended period of time she probably wasn't that interested. At the very least she's not DTF!
What's confusing here is she was SOOOOO into you, and "just had to use the bathroom, real quick!" Even if she's pretty buzzed and gets wrapped up catching back up with her friends (telling them about you, yeah right), she still kinda forgot you, and that's a bad sign. You can seek her out, maybe get an awkward number close, but know this one isn't likely going anywhere, anytime soon.
5. She suddenly seems much more sober -
This one is tough. She could just be tired, but chances are your window is closed. If she's not rude you can definitely try to get the number, but if she was WAY drunker than you thought when you were talking, she may not even remember you. Ouch!
What's confusing here is the girl could've been very into you, but chick logic states, "Oh it doesn't count, I was drunk!" Tough game lesson, but a good reason why you should never game a girl that's too wasted.
6. She wants to get food -
This is a major deal breaker. In the history of man, I don't think any guy has ever banged a SNL after taking her to a late night pizza spot. Once she eats, the only thing on her mind is sleep, not penis.
What's confusing here is you thought spending extra time at Coney Island or Pizza House, would help loosen up her pants. Nope! You can still get a number, just make sure you don't repeat your mistakes after that first date.
7. She's the Birthday girl -
She's the center of attention, her friends will NOT leave her side, maybe at a party with an extended social circle you can pull this off (I have), but otherwise forget it.
Nothing to be confused about here, no matter how into you she is, unless her friends relent, you're not getting in her pants. To put this in perspective, I once literally had a girl's much less attractive friend follow the birthday girl and I all the way back to my hotel.
8. She acts disgusted when you make the convo sexual -
DO NOT do this right off the bat (unless it's super late), but you should bring up something sexual in the convo with a girl at a party or bar chick. This is to gauge her interest. Let's face it, if she won't talk about anything sexual, she won't do anything sexual. Make some innuendo and/or blatantly say something you'd do to her. If she gives you a disgusted look, you can forget about banging her that night. If she politely pretends to have not heard you, sex is unlikely that night so move to the number close, but if she reciprocates, game on!
Now, the fun part, girls that are likely DTF:
I really feel screening them out is the most important. I go into my approaches, assuming a girl is going to want to sleep with me, until she gives me a reason to move on to the next girl. I think everything I've listed below is pretty much common sense, but it is worth distinguishing between a girl likely to give you her number, versus one that is likely to go home with you.
1. She's alone at the bar/party -
Girls rarely go out alone, they like to dance with the girls, have a girls night, etc... if she's out by herself, or has one semi-acquaintance at the party you're both at, she is DEFINITELY looking for something.
My advice: Be the first one in on these girls, don't fuck up by doing something stupid, and isolate ASAP. A few drinks and it should be game over.
2. She gives you the "fuck me" eyes -
Now this one isn't always easy to pick up on, but once you learn that look, you'll be able to identify it every time. I remember my first SNL, the girl was walking out of an apartment party (to get more booze) I was walking into, and just gave me that look. Two hours later, I was banging her.
3. She initiates conversation with you -
This always works out great! Girls rarely open guys they're not interested in, push full speed ahead here, and again... don't fuck up!
4. She comes back when you push her away -
This can be risky, but if she says something stupid, dismiss her. "Maybe those guys would be more your style" If she comes back, she's likely DTF.
Credit: simondice
5. She responds to your touch, by touching you back -
Now she doesn't necessarily have to be grabbing your dick, but her touching you is a great sign. Generally this isn't going to happen right away though, so don't waste a ton of time waiting for a girl to touch you back.
Credit: MrXY and horn
6. She buys you a drink -
I'm sure some of you are thinking, "What!? This doesn't happen." Oh but it does, and it's a great sign. Think of it this way, do you buy girls you don't want to bang drinks?
7. She's willing to change venues with you -
This has been discussed excessively, but it's worth mentioning again here. If a girl leaves the bar with you to go to another bar, she's interested, she has some trust in you, and most importantly she's going to feel like she's known you longer. Again, the problem here, is you'll have to invest some time to make this happen, but since it had been mentioned previously, I wanted to address doing this.
8. She'll kiss you in front of her friends -
Personally, I think sloppy make outs at the bar are the antithesis of classy, but it is a good way to tell if a girl is DTF. If she'll make out with you right on the dance floor, then she'll probably do a lot more in the absence of other people.
Other things I've learned:
1. Don't be afraid to change targets between a group -
For example, let's say you open a group/table/etc and there's more than one girl you'd bang. Maybe you're focused on one more, she's into you, but you can tell her friend is really into you. Make the switch. You may completely lose out here, but it's worth the risk if you end up with a bang instead of a number.
2. When you find a girl that's DTF, get her out of there! -
As soon as you find a girl that's down, your #1 priority should be leaving that venue with her. If she wants to keep drinking, or it's still pretty early, then just venue change. Keeping her in the same place, runs the risk of her friends (or possibly your friends) cock blocking you (intentionally or not). If you get her out of there, and it's just the two of you, you've eliminated a lot of potential obstacles.
3. Know where you're taking her -
This ties into the last point. I know there's plenty of topics on logistics on this forum, but it's worth mentioning again because it is so important. You should always have a second venue planned, ideally one that's not too loud and you have rapport with the bartender. OR, know the best way to get her to your place, hotel, etc. In most cases you're better bringing these girls home, than taking them to their home.
4. Stop drinking when you find a girl that's DTF -
Or at the very least slow way down (nurse that $3 bottle for an hour). Drinking is fun, but you want to be sharp here so everything goes smoothly. From dealing with obstacles, to being able to drive if you need to.
I'm sure there's tons more, I just wanted to get a general list started, so please feel free to add your screening methods below.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17481.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-17758.html
Still, I felt this needed to be talked about again. The LAST thing you want to do is waste your time and money on a girl that has no interest in having sex with you that night, or possibly ever.
I think the strongest part of my game is SNLs, and below I'm going to try to look at some key signals and trends I've picked up over the years. I'll also note that my game is very passive-aggresive, so what works for me may need to be adjusted a little to work for you.
Keep in mind this is only for night game, day game is very different, as you won't really be screening a girl that's DTF at the grocery store. Also, this isn't really about looking for IOIs, if you're reading this, you should know what those are by now. This is strictly about being able to quickly screen out the girls that have no intention of getting naked anytime soon.
First and MOST importantly, girls that are NOT DTF:
-There's obvious blow-outs, these don't fall into that category, these are girls wasting your time, possibly leading you on... with no intention of sex that night-
1. She's resistant to slightly intimate touch -
Sure she'll carry on a conversation, and let you grab her arm or hand, but if you leave it there too long, or the second you move that hand to her waist she recoils. Just get move on. She's either too shy, too unconfident in herself or not as into as you had thought.
What's confusing here is she seemed into you via the convo, and let you touch her, sort of, but trust me you're better off working on a different girl that night. Try to get a number if you feel like it, and cut your losses.
2. She's more concerned with -
Anything else! She should be asking some sort of personal questions, and if she just wants to talk about herself, her friends, kid, job, etc, then guess what, she just wants attention.
What's confusing here is she IS talking to you, and she IS talking about herself, the problem is she's trying to turn you into her fan, rather than fuck buddy. Don't be that guy, and don't bother with the number either.
3. She starts talking to any other guy -
If she breaks the convo with you to talk to another guy for more than 2 minutes, she's not trying to make you jealous, she's just not interested! Doesn't matter if it's her best friend that she hasn't seen in 10 years, if she's into banging you, you'll have her undivided attention.
There's nothing confusing about this.
4. She says she'll be right back, but isn't -
Doesn't matter how good the convo was going, how good the kino, if she vanishes for an extended period of time she probably wasn't that interested. At the very least she's not DTF!
What's confusing here is she was SOOOOO into you, and "just had to use the bathroom, real quick!" Even if she's pretty buzzed and gets wrapped up catching back up with her friends (telling them about you, yeah right), she still kinda forgot you, and that's a bad sign. You can seek her out, maybe get an awkward number close, but know this one isn't likely going anywhere, anytime soon.
5. She suddenly seems much more sober -
This one is tough. She could just be tired, but chances are your window is closed. If she's not rude you can definitely try to get the number, but if she was WAY drunker than you thought when you were talking, she may not even remember you. Ouch!
What's confusing here is the girl could've been very into you, but chick logic states, "Oh it doesn't count, I was drunk!" Tough game lesson, but a good reason why you should never game a girl that's too wasted.
6. She wants to get food -
This is a major deal breaker. In the history of man, I don't think any guy has ever banged a SNL after taking her to a late night pizza spot. Once she eats, the only thing on her mind is sleep, not penis.
What's confusing here is you thought spending extra time at Coney Island or Pizza House, would help loosen up her pants. Nope! You can still get a number, just make sure you don't repeat your mistakes after that first date.
7. She's the Birthday girl -
She's the center of attention, her friends will NOT leave her side, maybe at a party with an extended social circle you can pull this off (I have), but otherwise forget it.
Nothing to be confused about here, no matter how into you she is, unless her friends relent, you're not getting in her pants. To put this in perspective, I once literally had a girl's much less attractive friend follow the birthday girl and I all the way back to my hotel.
8. She acts disgusted when you make the convo sexual -
DO NOT do this right off the bat (unless it's super late), but you should bring up something sexual in the convo with a girl at a party or bar chick. This is to gauge her interest. Let's face it, if she won't talk about anything sexual, she won't do anything sexual. Make some innuendo and/or blatantly say something you'd do to her. If she gives you a disgusted look, you can forget about banging her that night. If she politely pretends to have not heard you, sex is unlikely that night so move to the number close, but if she reciprocates, game on!
Now, the fun part, girls that are likely DTF:
I really feel screening them out is the most important. I go into my approaches, assuming a girl is going to want to sleep with me, until she gives me a reason to move on to the next girl. I think everything I've listed below is pretty much common sense, but it is worth distinguishing between a girl likely to give you her number, versus one that is likely to go home with you.
1. She's alone at the bar/party -
Girls rarely go out alone, they like to dance with the girls, have a girls night, etc... if she's out by herself, or has one semi-acquaintance at the party you're both at, she is DEFINITELY looking for something.
My advice: Be the first one in on these girls, don't fuck up by doing something stupid, and isolate ASAP. A few drinks and it should be game over.
2. She gives you the "fuck me" eyes -
Now this one isn't always easy to pick up on, but once you learn that look, you'll be able to identify it every time. I remember my first SNL, the girl was walking out of an apartment party (to get more booze) I was walking into, and just gave me that look. Two hours later, I was banging her.
3. She initiates conversation with you -
This always works out great! Girls rarely open guys they're not interested in, push full speed ahead here, and again... don't fuck up!
4. She comes back when you push her away -
This can be risky, but if she says something stupid, dismiss her. "Maybe those guys would be more your style" If she comes back, she's likely DTF.
Credit: simondice
5. She responds to your touch, by touching you back -
Now she doesn't necessarily have to be grabbing your dick, but her touching you is a great sign. Generally this isn't going to happen right away though, so don't waste a ton of time waiting for a girl to touch you back.
Credit: MrXY and horn
6. She buys you a drink -
I'm sure some of you are thinking, "What!? This doesn't happen." Oh but it does, and it's a great sign. Think of it this way, do you buy girls you don't want to bang drinks?
7. She's willing to change venues with you -
This has been discussed excessively, but it's worth mentioning again here. If a girl leaves the bar with you to go to another bar, she's interested, she has some trust in you, and most importantly she's going to feel like she's known you longer. Again, the problem here, is you'll have to invest some time to make this happen, but since it had been mentioned previously, I wanted to address doing this.
8. She'll kiss you in front of her friends -
Personally, I think sloppy make outs at the bar are the antithesis of classy, but it is a good way to tell if a girl is DTF. If she'll make out with you right on the dance floor, then she'll probably do a lot more in the absence of other people.
Other things I've learned:
1. Don't be afraid to change targets between a group -
For example, let's say you open a group/table/etc and there's more than one girl you'd bang. Maybe you're focused on one more, she's into you, but you can tell her friend is really into you. Make the switch. You may completely lose out here, but it's worth the risk if you end up with a bang instead of a number.
2. When you find a girl that's DTF, get her out of there! -
As soon as you find a girl that's down, your #1 priority should be leaving that venue with her. If she wants to keep drinking, or it's still pretty early, then just venue change. Keeping her in the same place, runs the risk of her friends (or possibly your friends) cock blocking you (intentionally or not). If you get her out of there, and it's just the two of you, you've eliminated a lot of potential obstacles.
3. Know where you're taking her -
This ties into the last point. I know there's plenty of topics on logistics on this forum, but it's worth mentioning again because it is so important. You should always have a second venue planned, ideally one that's not too loud and you have rapport with the bartender. OR, know the best way to get her to your place, hotel, etc. In most cases you're better bringing these girls home, than taking them to their home.
4. Stop drinking when you find a girl that's DTF -
Or at the very least slow way down (nurse that $3 bottle for an hour). Drinking is fun, but you want to be sharp here so everything goes smoothly. From dealing with obstacles, to being able to drive if you need to.
I'm sure there's tons more, I just wanted to get a general list started, so please feel free to add your screening methods below.
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