[simondice]

(10-26-2014 01:37 PM)mikado Wrote:  

(10-26-2014 01:01 PM)simondice Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 09:31 PM)Bacchus Wrote:  

I agree with this concept wholeheartedly, but I'd say that many of the factors listed are screening for interest. Being DTF is leaving with you, while everything else is just interest.

Interest and actual down to fuck interest are two very different things.
A girl might think you're cute but that doesn't mean she's sexually available.

Screening is all about weeding out the ones that are not DTF. When you turn on the tension, it shows who's really down and who is all talk and no action.

Roosh had one where he would joke about putting a "drug" in the girl's drink, just to weed out the ones that didn't fuck. The more he walked away, the more he would get laid. He focused on the ones who would laugh at his joke and went with it.

The idea is to also develop a way to screen them out yourself based on your style.

Use this with extreme caution.
A white knight/beta orbiter hearing this can get you in big trouble with the bouncers.

Yeah of course, it's not really my style with the roofie joke, but it's more like an example of the different ways to screen. My favorite is to make sexual innuendos, touch and telling the girl to walk away when I know she won't.

[The_e_man]

"8. She'll kiss you in front of her friends -
Personally, I think sloppy make outs at the bar are the antithesis of classy, but it is a good way to tell if a girl is DTF. If she'll make out with you right on the dance floor, then she'll probably do a lot more in the absence of other people. "

I heavily disagree with this one. Girls these days are slutty enough to make-out with guys just for the fun and attention. I can get upwards of 20 or so make outs in a night if I really grind it but I'd be lucky to get one to come home with me and bang.

Other than that, absolutely fantastic post.

[Neo]

Great post and nice breakdown.

The final divining rod I use when I'm isolated with the girl or on a date...my dick. I'm of the impression that if I'm getting hard she's getting wet. It seems to be the case for me nearly all the time. There's a moment where she goes from 'probably DTF' to 'definitely DTF.' and my dick knows it before I do.

[WestIndianArchie]

(10-26-2014 01:25 PM)CJ Wrote:  

(10-25-2014 07:33 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I've banged plenty of chicks that want to get food.

I don't know other communities, but the post club grub is a staple after a night of partying, if I've been working on the kino for most of the night, a plate of hash browns ain't fucked me up yet.

Otherwise solid.

But as a point of practicality, on any given night do you always find the elusive dtf chick?

It's because that chick is hard to find on a regular basis that I developed my conversion game.

WIA

Can you please do a write up on this (or link to a previous post I may have missed), I'd be interested in trying your tactics, as I've very rarely had success with girls after getting food after the bar. Unless it's a girl I've already banged.

The food part?

Last good one I can remember was the Persian
Part of a Hen Party. We met on the dance floor, instant chemistry.

So the obstacle then became
- getting her logistics (no car, came with a friend)
- getting to know her friends so that the trust me
- going in my car, with her, to the eatery.
- eating and befriending the clan further

And as I hold court with them chicks, my hand is underneath the table roaming.

I guess i'm old school and stick with the classics. But the basic, "we have a world of our own" is accomplished by giving her friends the public face, and her the private hands.

So they're awed by my words, and she's pawed by my hands.

So when it came time to break, I could easily extract her
- she was ready
- and they were cool with me.

Conversion is different.

TLR?
- screeners eject too fast, gir hasn't had enough time to really make up her mind
- screening is ideal in target rich settings, converting is for target-poor settings.
- converters stay as long as the chick stays
- eventually she hears something and opens
- after you first bang new chicks, figure out when they wanted to fuck you, and adjust your game accordingly.


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All players convert. All players screen.

But most players screen for a chick that wants to cooperate with her own seduction from word #1.

It's easy.
It's fast
It's efficient.

And in a setting with lots of targets, Vegas, NYC, nice upscale mall, city center in a great city, university campus, Spring Break - that's the strategy to use. Given that kind of setting, one cute brunette is as interchangeable for a cute redhead or raven. Another one will show up in 5 minutes.

The screening player, doesn't convert @ the basic attraction level - they convert at the "let's speed up the sex" level.

Some girls are DTF from minute #1.
Most girls, in my experience, might like you, think you're attractive, but when it comes to sex?

"hold your horses cowboy, you're not mounting this filly just yet."

So the screen player has his logistics tight. He might have some "bad decision" juice on deck. He's working his kino and warming up the box. Et cetera.

He's changing her mind, he's converting her.

Make no mistake. The screener converts too.

Now the Player that Converts, doesn't start his journey when he comes to the Corner of Vajajay avenue and Blow Job Boulevard

The converting player often doesn't have a target rich environment. If a club only has 200 people in it, a good portion of those will be men, and a good chunk of those women may be ugly. So on a good night, he might only have 2-3 real options to even begin to run game.

This is the situation I found myself in, and many a player that converts will know where I'm coming from.

Unlike a day party in Vegas, where everyone's boozy and trying to act on animal instincts - a target poor situation means a player has to be resourceful.

So when he selects a target, he only has so much time and few options.

When the screener goes in for a hard ping, usually a direct approach, or a so-called indirect approach that's more like let's not talk about the elephant in the room style approach. (truly indirect is a hard thing to pull off, a post for a different time). When it goes nowhere, In my mind, that's a false negative. He just burns himself out. Or if he lives in a world of abundance, he screens HER OUT for being a lame.

The converter might be a social butterfly, from flower to flower he flits. Sipping some nectar, smelling some bouquets. (lol @ the imagery, Marcus Aurelius is rolling over in his grave)

But those aren't approaches in my opinion, although it doesn't soften up targets and raise your stock in a passive way.

When the converter finds a target that meets his criteria, he runs his game.

When she doesn't bite, he continues.

He doesn't eject until she pushes him out.

I find myself throwing mini-bait, cold reads, stories, jokes, and role plays until the chick gets a sense of ME. Her conscious mind? I have no idea.
She could be rolling on E, drunk as fuck, or just in a bad mood. I can't pretend to read her mind, I can only do what is possible for me.

Until something drastic happens, it's a polite conversation that I'm looking to escalate. I may be doing 99% of the talking, and she's responding to open ended questions with one word, *shrugs*, and "i dunno"... It's not creepy, you aren't stalking, it's not a non-consensual chat.

Most of the time she's captivated. And I don't mean googly eyes, but social convention means that she's captive. She's going to sit there and listen to you, go back and forth a little bit.

Then something will hit, and she'll really open. 10 minutes ago, you were annoying as fuck, now you're charming.

Like i've said in previous posts, when you do the debrief always ask her when she knew she was going to fuck you.

Once you start realizing that you're putting the emphasis on the wrong things, or taking cues from the wrong things - you'll see more of the matrix..

WIA

[Travesty]

(10-27-2014 02:15 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Then something will hit, and she'll really open. 10 minutes ago, you were annoying as fuck, now you're charming.

Like i've said in previous posts, when you do the debrief always ask her when she knew she was going to fuck you.

Once you start realizing that you're putting the emphasis on the wrong things, or taking cues from the wrong things - you'll see more of the matrix..

WIA

Worst part of my game I don't work on because I am too impatient and ego-driven. My friend that is a really good looking natural calls it Breaking the Horse, and he loves it. Keeps talking at a cold chick with one-word answers for 10, 20, even 30 minutes and just keeps ramming the front the gate until something busts it. From watching him it takes knowing how to dose Clown vs. Comfort game in right amount and at what times. It seems like you need a little a clown upfront, but not too much to annoy her, then try to slowly slip into comfort. Once she gets a bit comfortable with you and she cracks that first real smile she will open up real fast to more clown game, then that signals time to grab a shot or hit the dance floor and escalate.

I won't consider myself advanced until this is mastered along with many other things.

[Suits]

(10-25-2014 05:33 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Sloppy makeouts in the bar are the antithesis of classy!? How dare you that's my bread and butter. I'm tempted to de-rep you.

Otherwise solid post.

Ya, sloppy makeouts in the bar, preferably with a very curious audience taking pictures, are pretty much my favourite thing to do in the whole wide world.

[simondice]

Slapping asses as a way to screen:

Any girl who likes me and wants to be stuffed by me let's me slap her ass.
I usually do it after she said something silly, shit test (in a light way), or just plain randomly.
If she's down, she will:
- Think nothing of it
- Smile and giggle
- Smile, giggle and say "stopp" with a playful voice.

It's probably in my top 3 of screening tools.