[robreke]

I was also thinking of calling the subtitle of this thread "the Law of Conservation of Energy" when you approach a girl. I'm mostly referring to day game here.

When you approach a girl, there is a certain energy that you bring, a certain energy that is then built or depleted from the initial approach, and finally a certain amount of that energy that is conserved throughout the interaction. This amount that is both built ( or lost ) and then conserved is often due to the reaction/receptivity of the girl.

Nothing ground breaking here. Just a closer look at what constitutes successful and unsuccessful approaches;

Two case examples: A girl I approached last week looking at language CDs at bookstore. Nice looking tall blonde. I asked her opinion on them and she eagerly offered advice. Eye contact was pretty good. I made a few jokes and she smiled. When I asked her more about her language interests, she told me her story on it. I dropped some bait about working closeby and she asked where. I asked her her name and told her nice to meet you after about 5 minutes of conversation. She reciprocated by asking me my name. Even when we would have pregnant pauses and silence in the conversation, she continued to stand there, facing me. This girl was helping me build, plateau and then conserve the energy of the approach. I got her number and she's returning my texts.

Second girl - today. Same bookstore. She's sitting on her MacBook. I walk by pretending to look at her computer and ask her if it's a good computer. She just nods saying nothing. I tell her the reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking switching to apple from PC. She then goes on a bit about what an apple is good for. I ask her some follow up questions and she answers. Her pupils are not dialated and after 30 or so seconds she glances to the left breaking eye contact. I mention I would also like a second computer for personal projects and she just nods. I ask her if she's taking care of some school projects since she told me she was using the word processor. She just says 'yeah just keeping busy' with no elaboration. Quick glance then breaking eye contact. This girl was depleting any energy and certainly not helping conserve any. I felt my own energy and confidence being depleted contributing to the whole bad approach. Albeit, I do not like the whole dynamic of standing over a girl while she's sitting but she did not give me enough pretense to sit with her. Despite her rocking ass athletic legs and ass....I ejected. "Thanks for the advice"

After a bad approach like the second one, I often critique myself saying " You should have kept pushing...asking her questions...trying to get her interested. You shouldn't be so sensitive to women and their lack of IOIs or downright Indications of Disinterest ( averting eye contact....giving shorter and shorter answers....lessening their participation in the conversation )

It gets to the point of me where if they're not reciprocating my effort in some discernible sense, I feel like I'm "bothering them" and they would just rather I left them alone. This is probably the case. Perhaps being persistent/not giving a fuck works often?

I'd also like some veteran's responses as to how they react to day game approaches where the girl is being "difficult" or behaving like she's just rather be left alone. Keep pushing /trying to remain charming? Keep talking? Or...eject being cognizant of body language queues and the very small probability that anything good is going to happen by going for the number?

I either get the number from an interested girl or bail on the non interested ones while not pushing.

[lycosidae]

If a girl is being difficult to engage during the day, I don't bother... I get enough interest from women that I don't expend energy on the ones that I need to do magic tricks for... and continuing to pursue despite their obvious negative body language just plays into the feminists that say men are "bothering" women with their daytime approaches.

Look for body language. You don't necessarily need an IOI to approach, but if a girl is trying to bail from the interaction and giving one word replies, then don't waste your time. Next!

Ultimately, you want to have fun doing this... don't spend time with girls who aren't sociable or into it...

At night its a little different because girls have their shields up and you can push harder to get through them...

(10-30-2014 03:53 PM)robreke Wrote:  

I was also thinking of calling the subtitle of this thread "the Law of Conservation of Energy" when you approach a girl. I'm mostly referring to day game here.

When you approach a girl, there is a certain energy that you bring, a certain energy that is then built or depleted from the initial approach, and finally a certain amount of that energy that is conserved throughout the interaction. This amount that is both built ( or lost ) and then conserved is often due to the reaction/receptivity of the girl.

Nothing ground breaking here. Just a closer look at what constitutes successful and unsuccessful approaches;

Two case examples: A girl I approached last week looking at language CDs at bookstore. Nice looking tall blonde. I asked her opinion on them and she eagerly offered advice. Eye contact was pretty good. I made a few jokes and she smiled. When I asked her more about her language interests, she told me her story on it. I dropped some bait about working closeby and she asked where. I asked her her name and told her nice to meet you after about 5 minutes of conversation. She reciprocated by asking me my name. Even when we would have pregnant pauses and silence in the conversation, she continued to stand there, facing me. This girl was helping me build, plateau and then conserve the energy of the approach. I got her number and she's returning my texts.

Second girl - today. Same bookstore. She's sitting on her MacBook. I walk by pretending to look at her computer and ask her if it's a good computer. She just nods saying nothing. I tell her the reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking switching to apple from PC. She then goes on a bit about what an apple is good for. I ask her some follow up questions and she answers. Her pupils are not dialated and after 30 or so seconds she glances to the left breaking eye contact. I mention I would also like a second computer for personal projects and she just nods. I ask her if she's taking care of some school projects since she told me she was using the word processor. She just says 'yeah just keeping busy' with no elaboration. Quick glance then breaking eye contact. This girl was depleting any energy and certainly not helping conserve any. I felt my own energy and confidence being depleted contributing to the whole bad approach. Albeit, I do not like the whole dynamic of standing over a girl while she's sitting but she did not give me enough pretense to sit with her. Despite her rocking ass athletic legs and ass....I ejected. "Thanks for the advice"

After a bad approach like the second one, I often critique myself saying " You should have kept pushing...asking her questions...trying to get her interested. You shouldn't be so sensitive to women and their lack of IOIs or downright Indications of Disinterest ( averting eye contact....giving shorter and shorter answers....lessening their participation in the conversation )

It gets to the point of me where if they're not reciprocating my effort in some discernible sense, I feel like I'm "bothering them" and they would just rather I left them alone. This is probably the case. Perhaps being persistent/not giving a fuck works often?

I'd also like some veteran's responses as to how they react to day game approaches where the girl is being "difficult" or behaving like she's just rather be left alone. Keep pushing /trying to remain charming? Keep talking? Or...eject being cognizant of body language queues and the very small probability that anything good is going to happen by going for the number?

I either get the number from an interested girl or bail on the non interested ones while not pushing.

[daddysanchez]

Well with those girls who seem as if they want to be left alone, why not acknowledge that obersvation verbally and use it as a closer?
"...well you don't seem very talkative right now, almost as if you want to be left alone, but that's too bad! I want YOU to give me YOUR number RIGHT NOW. so I can call you later, 10 times in a row if I have to, so we can talk, EXTENSIVELY about random things. Because I KNOW that you have some interesting and insightful thoughts. Or else you wouldn't have such an interesting and insightful look about yourself. So here... " *hand her your phone*

It looks long and drawn out written above but in person probably takes15 seconds. you might as well ditch the script and go out with a bang since nothing else was working.

[Courage Reborn]

^ don't say that.

Reading your post, it sounds like you're second approach was solid.

Day game is a numbers game.

Going indirect is definitely the right way when a girl is seated and working on her laptop. It wasn't a bad approach. Expect to do 39 more before getting to sex.

Energy conservation is indeed a huge factor for day game. If a girl is breaking eyes to the side, yes it is best to move on. You have 39 more girls to talk to. Half of those will give you the time of day, half of those will respond to text, half of those will meet you for a day 2, and half of those will have sex with you.

[robreke]

(10-30-2014 06:59 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

^ don't say that.

Reading your post, it sounds like you're second approach was solid.

Day game is a numbers game.

Going indirect is definitely the right way when a girl is seated and working on her laptop. It wasn't a bad approach. Expect to do 39 more before getting to sex.

Energy conservation is indeed a huge factor for day game. If a girl is breaking eyes to the side, yes it is best to move on. You have 39 more girls to talk to. Half of those will give you the time of day, half of those will respond to text, half of those will meet you for a day 2, and half of those will have sex with you.

I agree Courage. To your point, I'm considering moving to a bigger city where I have the opportunity to do more day game approaches. I live in a mid sized city and will get anywhere from 1 (today) to , usually at most, 3 opportunities to see an attractive woman in an approachable situation.

Since day game is a number's game...I'm thinking I need to move to a bigger city where I can approach more numbers ( obvious statement) Been thinking something like Dallas or NYC.....instead of this rather cliquish southern city I live in.