[slubu]

Although most of my stories are contained either in my Russia thread, or in Roosh's Ukraine II thread, those are more meant to give you guys a feel of what happened there, some of the day to day struggles and successes, and my feelings during those times.

I'm very happy I posted those on a continual basis because there is a lot I would have never remembered this far removed from the actual event. The purpose of this post however, is to go through some numbers of what my three months were like, my successes and failures, and for me to do some tongue and cheek "awards" on various categories. Warning: This will be a very long post. So without further ado, let's get to it.

The Numbers

The Cities, the Players, and the Time:
Vienna - Myself and my brother, 3 nights.
Budapest - Myself and Qwest, 4 nights (longer for Qwest).
Kiev - Myself, Qwest, and my buddy, 1 month.
Odessa - Myself, my buddy, 1.5 nights (we brought girls from Kiev, only had 1 full night free and half another night out of the 6 nights there, as explained below).
Novosibirsk - Myself, my buddy, 7 nights
Tomsk - Myself, my buddy, 16 nights
Moscow - Myself, my buddy, Akula, Menace, 22 nights

I will only go into myself and my buddy's stats, and to a very small extent my brother. I'll let the other RVF'ers chime in if they want.

Looks:
I'm 5'11, 160-165lbs, look pretty skinny. White, light brown hair, green eyes. I've had two girls recently tell me I look like Macklemore, and two other girls in Russia tell me I kind of look like Ivan Dorn. Not sure if I agree with either, but even if there is slight resemblance neither is my doppleganger by any means.

My buddy is 5'8, 170lbs, muscular guy but not ripped. Has a dark complexion, looks Turkish/Persian etc. Black hair, I think black or brown eyes (never paid attention). He's often told he looks like Sean Penn.

Total Nights Taken Off:
A night off means no drinking. It does not include date nights where I drank, though a lot of those nights, more than 80% I would say, I/we would still go out afterwards. Finally, this applies only to me, as my buddy took a few more nights off than I did.

Vienna - 0
Budapest - 0
Kiev - Approximately 5-6
Odessa - 0 (of the 1.5 [we still drank with the girls every night])
Novosibirsk - 1
Tomsk - Approximately 2-3
Moscow - Approximately 3

So for the 3 months, I took off about 12 nights total.

Total #'s/Leads:
I have no idea how many girls we approached, but it was a ton. I did easily over 75 in Moscow alone. I'd probably average between 2-6 most nights out, depending on how long it took to hook. So I couldn't keep track of that. However, I did keep track on how many #'s, or leads as sometimes girls were too cheap to text and we had to rely on facebook or vk.com to communicate. This also includes online girls I actually met, though that was very few (7 total). My buddy did not pipeline. Finally it includes a girl we may have banged, but no information was exchanged.

Me:
Vienna - 3 numbers
Budapest - 4 numbers
Kiev - 20 numbers
Odessa - 1 number
Novosibirsk - 3 numbers
Tomsk - 12 numbers
Moscow - 26 numbers

So for me, total of 69 numbers/leads.

Buddy:
Kiev - 11 numbers
Odessa - 1 number
Novosibirsk - 3 numbers
Tomsk - 12 numbers
Moscow - 4 numbers

For my buddy, total of 31 numbers/leads.

Total Bangs:
One of the more important stats...

Me:
Vienna - 1
Budapest - 1
Kiev - 4 (plus a repeat from last trip)
Odessa - 1
Novosibirsk - 2
Tomsk - 2
Moscow - 3

So for me, total of 14 new bangs.

Buddy:
Kiev - 3
Odessa - 0
Novosibirsk - 2
Tomsk - 1
Moscow - 0

For my buddy, total of 6 new bangs.

I'll also throw in my brother who banged 1 girl in Vienna too.

Speed of Bangs:
To correctly address the sluttiness of the girls per city.

Me:
Vienna - Bang was ONS
Budapest - Bang was 1st Date
Kiev - Bangs were ONS, 1st Date, 5th Date, and 2nd meeting (not date, happen to run into each other at club after originally meeting at another club)
Odessa - Bang was ONS
Novosibirsk - Bang was ONS (threesome)
Tomsk - Bangs were ONS (though I saw one of them again)
Moscow - Bangs were 2nd date/meeting, ONS (saw her again), 1st Date

Buddy:
Kiev - Bangs were 5th Date, 3rd Date, and ONS
Odessa - n/a
Novosibirsk - 1st Date, ONS (the threesome girl we shared)
Tomsk - 1st Date
Moscow - n/a

For the record, my brother's bang in Vienna was a ONS.

Quality of Bangs:
As subjective as it gets obviously, but I will attempt to use the Tuthmosis scale. If I say 23 F(7)/B(8), that means she was 23, 7 face, 8 body. I'm also just going to do mine since this is so subjective, and I haven't seen my buddy's girls naked to evaluate the body.

Me:
Vienna - 26 F(7)/B(7)
Budapest - 30 F(6)/B(8)
Kiev - 19 F(7)/B(8) [repeat bang]; 21 F(7)/B(6.5); 18 F(6.5)/B(5.5); 22 F(7.5)/B(7.5); 25 F(7)/B(7)
Odessa - 19 F(6.5)/B(7)
Novosibirsk - 24 F(6.5)/B(6.5); ? F(6)/B(7.5)
Tomsk - 19 F(6.5)/B(8); 25 F(7)/B(6.5)
Moscow - 23 F(8)/B(9); 21 F(7.5)/B(9); 25 F(7)/B(7)

Awards & Comparisons

Most Expensive City:
Winner - Easily Moscow. But I'm guessing everyone knew that. Our apartment, granted it was very nice was a negotiated $180/night for a two bedroom. Beers easily were $8-12 and cocktails were $10 min for vodka and rising. We didn't even hit many of the uber expensive places. Some of the nicer ones though it was $15 for a cocktail. Most expensive cafe cost me $30 for a tea and piece of cake.
Runner Up - Vienna. About LA prices maybe a bit higher.

Least Expensive City:
Winner - Easily Budapest. At times it was pretty ridiculous. I was with Qwest and his friend at Hello Baby, the newest club there and not only did they give us a table for $25, and then credit that money back to us in drink tickets, but bottles of champagne were about $15. Beers were a few bucks, cocktails cheap too. Dates I could get a bottle of champagne for 20-25 at a cafe/bar and sit there and drink it all. A round of 12 girlie shots was something like $20 at Trafiq. So you get the point, super cheap. My brother and I got a 2-bedroom, 2 story apartment in Godzu court for less than $100/night.
Runner Up - Kiev. Some places were very cheap, including bars, restaurants, activities, anything. Metro was $0.25 a trip. Vodka shots could be less than $2/each. Dates were all about $20-$30 max (it helps the girls barely eat). Definitely a few higher end places which cost more, like Dali Park which was absurd, but for the most part it was very manageable. We paid $84/night for our 2 bedroom place by the Arena.

Best Nightlife:
Winner - Kiev. Right now if someone called me I could tell them where to go each night of the week for the best chance at meeting hot girls and/or a ONS. Every night there is something going on, and I mean it looks like a Saturday night there. Couple that with the sheer number of students around the city, and you always have somewhere to go hunting.
Runner Up - Tomsk. You wouldn't think a small town in Siberia would be like this, but it is. There is always at least Studio 46 that has people, and other nights of the week there are what seem to be designated places for a good party. And this was in the dead of summer, so I can only imagine during the school year when all the kids are back in town.

Worst Nightlife:
Winner - Novosibirsk. God what a dump of a city. Only really good on weekends, and the occassional ladies' nights if you are aggressive because there won't be many targets. But maybe it will pick up during the school year.
Runner Up - Moscow. Yup, you read that correctly. There is really nothing going on Monday through Wednesday, and Sundays are lukewarm. This applies more if you want to go out all nights, because Friday and Saturday in Moscow are just unreal. So take this one with a grain of salt.

Highest English:
Winner - Vienna. Everyone spoke English there.
Runner Up - Moscow. It took me a while to find girls who could not speak English. However, the hottest girls I talked to all did NOT speak English, including my highest quality of the trip the blonde from the club.
Last Place - Siberia. Not surprising, remote areas of Russia the English levels were low. There was a LOT of translator going on through our iPhones. But as I mentioned in my thread, the way we played it (me learning from my friend) a lot of girls had fun with it and we would use it to open.

Ease of ONS:
Winner - Vienna hands down. The year previous at Oktoberfest I banged a Viennese girl and she kept telling me how many ONS would occur in Vienna. I didn't believe her, but then I came and the 3rd or 4th girl I talked to on a real night out came home with me, with her friends pushing it to happen. Even my brother, who admittedly knows how to talk to girls but has almost zero experience at bars/clubs took a girl home the same night. They also don't like their own men that much, so it helps to be a foreigner.
Runner Up - Kiev. At the right venues you can easily get a ONS. Qwest walked into Shooters and left an hour later with a girl and banged her. I've taken several girls home from Shooters and Vodka Bar. My buddy and I have pulled off two double bangs as ONS (we bring a pair of girls home and bang them). Some of them are straight lovers of foreigners so it makes it easier. Don't think you can just fly in and start banging away however, but once you figure some things out and with some luck, it will happen.

Difficulty of ONS:
Winner - I guess Budapest. I didn't have too large a sample size to work with, but it seems girls here are more guarded than other places. However, both dates I went on were more than willing to come to my apartment after about an hour or two on the first date.
Runner Up - Moscow. While I did get one, and I'm sure it happens a lot you need the right circumstances. The girl has to be drinking, and have left her friends. A lot of time even though I was making headway it was obvious they would not leave their friends. I had one specific girl even tell me it's up to her friend if they come over or not. If you can isolate, the chances skyrocket. Also, given how dead the city is during the week, your number of opportunities for a ONS decreases.

White God Factor:
Winner - Novosibirsk. Not even close. I will never in my life forget the girls from Posh, completely losing their shit when they found out we were from Los Angeles. They were screaming, complimenting our looks, they literally could not handle it. My buddy banged his girl although I could not connect with mine again as she left town and was a bit flakey. Their third friend would have been down too but they made her leave since it was only two of us. Of course there was the 3some night too, which I'm sure helped I was from Los Angeles. It was pretty outrageous.
Runner Up - Tomsk. However, it was less a sexual interest like in Novosibirsk than a novelty here. Mostly they wanted to know what the hell we were doing there. While we got a combined 3 bangs here, it was almost entirely game tactics rather than WGF.
Last Place - Moscow. Nothing new here to see someone from LA or the US. However, there was still some sexual interest generated from our residency.

American Love:
Winner - Vienna. I was repeatedly told how much they love American men there. On that Tuesday at Lutz, I saw an attractive blonde reject several guys. When I approached in English, I hooked her for the entire night until she left. Sadly I was leaving the next day, she had an appointment in the morning so couldn't close, but this was not out of the ordinary. They really like American men.
Runner Up - Russia. Kind of a general love of America, no real discernment between cities.

Ugliest Dudes:
Winner - Novosibirsk. These guys could pass for trolls, mutants, freaks you name it. Lots of frankenstein types, bruisers with no brains, unibrows, askew heads, etc. We were models compared to these guys.
Runner Up - Kiev. Some ugly dudes running around this city. However, at the nicer clubs there are some decently dressed and looking gentlemen. Overall though, pretty ugly men here.
Last Place - Vienna. Sharply dressed, lots of muscles, tall dudes. However, this is highly countered by the fact the girls hate their own men.

Most Approachable:
Winner - Vienna. If you're American (or maybe just not Viennese). I barely ever got blown out, even girls with boyfriends would entertain me for a bit.
Runner Up - Moscow. Girls were very friendly to me. This is mitigated because you are still in Russia, so you do get the ice cold blowout here and there. However overall they were very approachable.
Last Place - Budapest. Surprisingly, the most amount of bitches I encountered out. I later learned it's because a lot of guys pretend to be from Los Angeles to pick up their girls. And I saw it in action and it was pretty damn funny. You hear these guys with a clear European accent saying they live in Hollywood. So when I spoke English half the time the girl immediately turned sour and defensive. Conversely, there were a lot of friendly girls too, you just have to sift through the bitches.

Most Feminine:
Winner - Kiev, easy. The number of girls walking around in heels, dresses, long hair, smoking all in the same style, holding their purses in that fuck me look way is astounding.
Runner Up - Odessa. I'm guessing it's Ukraine in general.
Last Place - Vienna. Lots of hipster, westernized girls walking around. The chunkster factor can run high here too. Reminded most of Los Angeles as a general comparison, where the high end club had the girls with heels/dresses but the general population was dressed down.

Youth:
Winner - Kiev, easy. Most girls you interact with out are under 21. Lots of places don't even ID the girls to get in. And to top that, the girls love older men here.
Runner Up - Tomsk. All those universities and you will get some youth there. Most girls we interacted were also in the 18-22 range.
Last Place - Moscow. I think, though can't recall for sure, this may be the only city where we didn't hit the teens in terms of even getting a number. Lots of worker/career girls.

Best Sex:
Winner - All of Russia. Coming from my experiences in Ukraine I was NOT expecting such a huge difference. These girls are absolutely nuts in bed, in a great way. They love biting, hair pulling, screaming, changing positions, banging multiple times a night, you name it. Everytime you nut on them they go shower and come back ready for more. And this was every...single...one of them. Unbelievable.
Runner Up - Vienna. Small sample size, but if you count the Oktoberfest girl too both of them loved sex.


**For the last few I'll just rank them...

Best Bodies:
1st Place - Moscow. This is of course very subjective. But you take the Kiev bodies (thin, model types) add in nice tits, a firm and nice ass, and you have Moscow girls. Two of the three girls I ended up banging I was just in awe of their bodies. It was a clear winner in my eye.
2nd Place - Kiev/Odessa. Take away the tits and nice asses, and you still have the model type bodies. I really love that, so it gets a high vote from me.
3rd Place - Budapest. The high end here is pretty high end, and the girls have this very appealing body that's hard to describe. They are very thin, with very perky breasts and small but tight firm asses. There is a reason Pierre Woodman focused here I believe.
4th Place - Tomsk. A lot of nice bodies here, and the youth factor helps in that regard.
5th Place - Novosibirsk. Lots of fatties relative to the rest of the FSU. Kind of disappointing really.
6th Place - Vienna. The most Westernized of the cities on my trip. Enough said.

Best Faces:
1st Place - Moscow. Again, the winner. Overall great teeth, great skin, nice glows, good features. It was the biggest thing we noticed coming from Ukraine, except maybe the tit size increase as well.
2nd Place - Budapest. Some really cute girls here that stood out. Lots of light eyes, darker features which stand out well. I really liked these faces.
3rd Place - Tomsk. A few stunners here and there. Slight issues with teeth and acne, but likely from the youth on the latter.
4th Place - Kiev/Odessa. I still like the model look so it was appealing to me. Why don't Ukrainian girls fix their damn teeth? That would skyrocket them in the rankings.
5th Place - Novosibirsk. Nothing special here.
6th Place - Vienna. Same as Novo, nothing special.

And now the last category. Before the trip if someone asked me I thought I easily knew the answer. Turns out, I was wrong.

Best City:
7th Place - Novosibirsk. What a grey, ugly, depressing town. Not great nightlife. Expensive relative to Ukraine and Tomsk. Most fatties in the FSU. It's only redeeming factor is probably because of how horrible a city it is aesthetically, how ugly the guys are, the girls really throw down for some American dick. The reactions to us being from LA, the threesome, all point to highly slutty and sexual behavior for the right guys. I believe this is a little sex pot of a city, but you have to be able to handle a city that has nothing else to offer.
6th Place - Vienna. Yes you can bang easily, yes you will be loved by the girls there. But they are not as feminine as the ones more East and that is had to overlook once you've had a taste of what a girl can really be like.
5th Place - Tomsk. Edges out Vienna because of the femininity of the girls, the youth factor, and the potential for lots of girls in the school season. Decent nightlife too. Just be careful of the scammer girls.
4th Place - Odessa. This is a hard one to evaluate because except for the last night there, we were with the girls we met in Kiev and vacationed with. The beach was a lot worse than expected. However, Ibiza Club is the nicest club I've ever been too. I had an awesome time there even though I couldn't game fully because the girl I was with was there too, limiting my abilities. Still had a fun night and the quality was pretty high, although that seems to be out of the ordinary after speaking with others. I did get to see a girl being called out for her shit, and then dumping water on one of the guys we were with. The next night I was able to get a ONS on a Sunday from there, so that was pleasing. Seems like lots of hot girls too during the day. Regardless, I can't fairly comment on it given my restricted free time here.
3rd Place - Budapest. Aside from the bitches, the other girls are really nice. The high end is very high end both in face and body, but there is not that high a quantity of them. Those that are there I got the sense you can get. Random night life, you need to know where to go because otherwise it will suck. Unbelievably cheap.
2nd Place - Kiev. My previous #1 city I've ever visited. It was the reason that I started learning Russian, to come back to Kiev for long term. Really, what is there not to like? Hot girls everywhere; they loved me; hyper femininity; easy ONS if you want; endless daygame; youth; nightlife every night if desired; cheap. So why is it not #1 anymore?

Because I found Moscow.

When I first arrived in Russia, I wrote:

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In 2010 I got my first taste of Russia via St. Pete and Moscow...and I was absolutely blown away. But was this because this was my first time in EE or because it was that good? I really don't know. I do know that I am still blown away at the Ukraine quality. That said, I still have never experienced anything that came close to the visual perfection that was Pacha in Moscow in 2010, surrounded by literally hundreds of models aged 16-24. The # of girls lower than an 8 I could count on one hand that night.

I need to find this out. So after my great time in Ukraine this past month or so, my buddy and I decided to once and for all try to figure out what Russia has to offer, is it that great, is it worth the price, effort and time required to get out there and succeed.

Well, we answered our question. What I thought could not be topped in Kiev, was simply crushed by Moscow. Now don't get me wrong, Kiev is unbelievable, and the girls there can definitely compete with Moscow, and compete well. But they can't win. Like tall model girls? Cool, take the girls in Kiev add great ass and tits and you have Moscow. Like slavic faces? Cool, take the girls in Kiev fix their teeth and acne and you have Moscow. See that 9 over there? In Kiev it was very hard to keep their attention for longer than a few seconds. In Moscow they gave us a chance. On top of all that, the girls were a pleasure to go out with, converse with, and generally be with. The sex was way better. The girls in Moscow if they liked you they made it known with fast, quick and excessive touching. Brazilian style. They are passionate kissers. The nightlife, while not available every night as in Kiev, was remarkable on weekends. To the point it froze me one Saturday night.

And our values are so high there. I had girls tell me that if you're over 30 with no kids or wife, you are considered the top 1% of men there. Or that it's impossible to have a boyfriend in Moscow, because there are too many beautiful girls...if a girl acts out, the guy will just leave and find another one. Ridiculous.

Aside from the observational opinions, the quality I pulled was better than anywhere else I have. I've had much crazier stories in Kiev and Novo, but for pure quality it was Moscow.

I still love Kiev, I really do, but knowing what I now know it would be settling to go back to Kiev. Even my buddy, who struck out in Moscow recognized how great it was. He agrees it is the best we've been to despite his lack of individual success. I now understand all the hype associated with Russian girls. My experiences parallel all the hype. And a little birdie told me it will be explained even further on ROK this Wednesday.

After we left Kiev last year, we were determined to learn Russian. Before we left Moscow this year, we were looking at apartment rental prices, the job market, and my buddy even updated his resume and started sending it out.

There was someone here who made a great post about how great Moscow can be, I wish I could find it because it is damn accurate. It has a potential to be a playground for men like us. However, the huge limiting factor is the cost. It is very expensive and moreso than anywhere else I've been in the FSU. But that just motivates us more to go back, which we will.

Finally, I will provide the cost of the trip, which excludes Vienna/Budapest because that was with family and I didn't pay so I don't have a way to track it. I'll preface this by saying I don't believe in cost per bang analysis as I'm not really motivated by numbers these days, and the experience of fucking a Russian girl who's passion rivals and honestly exceeds those of Brazilian girls cannot be reduced to an accounting. If I wanted to just minimize my cost per bang I'd stay in LA or go to SEA or something. Nonetheless, since people asked...

Cost For The Trip - $14,395.37

[Vacancier Permanent]

Holly freaking sh*t man! This is the best post about Russia I've read! Your post (along with Vorkuta's), more than any other, has totally sold me on Russia and more specifically about Moscow!

Saying that going to Kiev is settling is simply mind blowing!

From your experience, what would you consider to be a decent budget to live in Moscow? A decent apart in a nice area of town, going out 3-4 nights/week and once a month, flying to somewhere warm with a hot girl or two. You have me looking at apart prices in Moscow right now as I'm typing this along the visa issue.

You spent about 14K for about 2 months right? I'd say for the kind of talent you're getting there is well worth it.

Very curious also about Vienna since it's a gorgeous city and has a killer location right in the heart of Europe. Wouldn't mind spending 2-3 months there and explore Eastern Europe from there as a base. Any idea what would be a decent monthly budget there? Again, nothing extravagant, just a nice apart in a nice area of town, eating out all the time and going out 3-4 nights/week.

How easy was it for you guys to to to Novo in Siberia? Did you fly? or take the long Trans Siberian train?

It was brother Vorkuta who wrote that Moscow may be the best city in all of Russia in his epic thread here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20886.html

Wow, didn't know it was that cheap in Budapest! 25 bucks for table and 20 for a bottle of champagne? Shit, in this shit hole called Toronto, you pay that just to get into a club, which most of the time is full of fatties, femi cunt, fags if not outright sausage feast! That's just incredible! What kind of budget would you think to be required to live there decently?

Last but def not least, how about safety? Did you guys feel any hatred or animosity from the local guys, specially in clubs or when talking/walking with girls there?

Damn, gotta get my shit together and get there asap! Posts like yours are the perfect motivation for me to get off my lazy ass and get going!

Spasiba Camarade!

[worldwidetraveler]

+1 from me Slubu. You and Vorkuta got me sold on Moscow.

How would you say the day to day living in Moscow was? The service in bars and restaurants the same as in Ukraine?

[Hallasan]

Great Summary, Slubu!!



Can you mention a little bit about your buddy? I am similar height/weight and physique (although not Turkish/Persian looking). How skillful at game would you say he is? How motivated? The difference between 14 and 6 is quite dramatic.

I also would like to second VP's question about safety.

[samsamsam]

Cost For The Trip - $14,395.37

That include bank/exchange fees?

Just messing, fucking fantastic post slubu. Much respect to you.

[CEOArob]

Minye eto ochen nravitsa. Good post. Very high quality.

Probably the best comparison thread I've ever read that compares

Do you think that you could also rank for safety? (how comfortable you felt in regards to your well-being just walking around on the streets, hitting it up in the club, etc).

Cheers. Great post.

[Tex Pro]

Good post, Slubu.

Moscow sounds great, but the costs there seem prohibitive.

Getting a centrally located apartment and going out several nights a week in Moscow could really break the bank on a long stay.

Hopefully, you don't experience a depression when you get back to LA because it sounds like you found paradise over in Moscow.

[Tenerife]

Damn, this should be the gold standard for how datasheet and trip reports are done. bravo. I'll write more when I read through it more thoroughly.

[gadabout]

I knew Moscow would win. I did Moscow first then Kiev and even though the cost of living and logistics screwed me in Russia it still came up trumps. Also I did better in Kiev but still preferred Moscow... I try to think back but I can't put my finger on it. Could it just be the buzz of a Metropolis? Anyway good work... your data sheet sounds exactly like my experience only better written and extremely comprehensive. I am headed to st petersburg soon so hopefully can re-live the good times.

[Akula]

Awesome writeup. Really helped put things in perspective for me. As a Muscovite I'm happy we won out , but I think I've really got to experience Kiev at some point given how there's always something going on down there. I'd really like to check out Tomsk and certain other Russian cities like Volgograd, Ekaterinburg etc. as well.

It continues to amaze me that there's not multiple things happening in Moscow from Sunday - Wednesday, particulary since there are over 14 million people here. But as you said it's just really pretty slow generally. Who would think that Kiev and even Tomsk would always have something going on while Moscow doesn't??

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 12:44 AM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

From your experience, what would you consider to be a decent budget to live in Moscow? A decent apart in a nice area of town, going out 3-4 nights/week and once a month, flying to somewhere warm with a hot girl or two. You have me looking at apart prices in Moscow right now as I'm typing this along the visa issue.

I was told by a local gamer that you need about 6k/month to date the type of girls you want to date. I haven't really sat and gone through the numbers, but I'd be more comfortable making 100k or more. The apartment we had, which was honestly very nice, the guy would have rented to me for 3500/month. Two bedroom, great location, unbelievable view.

Glad I influenced you about Moscow, but just know it's a very personal thing. What may be the best place in the world for me may be horrible for the next guy. Either way best of luck!

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You spent about 14K for about 2 months right? I'd say for the kind of talent you're getting there is well worth it.

About 80 days. Also two more things about that: 1) since we were in vacation mode, and going out a lot that number is higher than it would be if you actually lived there. Add in short term housing is more expensive, and a lot of it was flights ($1k to go to Siberia and back), it adds up. 2) Conversely, that number is deflated somewhat because I split everything with one other person. So all cabs, housing, etc. was at a reduced rate.

But yes, I think it was worth it.

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Very curious also about Vienna since it's a gorgeous city and has a killer location right in the heart of Europe. Wouldn't mind spending 2-3 months there and explore Eastern Europe from there as a base. Any idea what would be a decent monthly budget there? Again, nothing extravagant, just a nice apart in a nice area of town, eating out all the time and going out 3-4 nights/week.

Not sure, but I'm guessing just like LA.

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How easy was it for you guys to to to Novo in Siberia? Did you fly? or take the long Trans Siberian train?

Flew to Novo from Odessa, $600. Bus to Tomsk, minimal cost like $30. Flight from Tomsk to Moscow, $400.

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It was brother Vorkuta who wrote that Moscow may be the best city in all of Russia in his epic thread here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20886.html

That was a great thread, but that wasn't what I was referring to. Someone wrote a paragraph about how if you have money Moscow may very well be the greatest place on Earth for women. It was a post in some thread. I can't find it!

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Wow, didn't know it was that cheap in Budapest! 25 bucks for table and 20 for a bottle of champagne? Shit, in this shit hole called Toronto, you pay that just to get into a club, which most of the time is full of fatties, femi cunt, fags if not outright sausage feast! That's just incredible! What kind of budget would you think to be required to live there decently?

A lot less, I'd be guessing though if I gave you numbers.

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Last but def not least, how about safety? Did you guys feel any hatred or animosity from the local guys, specially in clubs or when talking/walking with girls there?

Forgot about this one, I'll do a quick addendum post in a second on this.

[WanderingSoul]

Slubu, any time frame for moving to Moscow?

[slubu]

For those asking about safety...

Vienna and Budapest were non-issues, I never felt remotely in danger anywhere or at any point in the night.

Kiev we got hassled twice. Once two guys followed us from Vodka Bar for a while, and even walked into McDonald's when we tried to ditch them and followed us after for a minute before they finally gave up. We had no idea what they wanted. The other time cops stopped only me and started harassing me until I told them I was a lawyer for the government and they backed off.

Odessa didn't run into any issues absent a cop stopping us and bugging us a bit before letting us go.

Novosibirsk, no issues, but we were warned not to go off the main street. The guys seemed very drunk and aggressive, so we were careful not to do anything that would attract attention, including speaking English as we passed some of these guys.

Tomsk we saw two fights, including one guy getting pummeled to the point of unconsciousness. I would not mess around here whatsoever. Also these Siberian guys are outrageously strong. Our landlord here who looks even skinnier than me grabbed my 27 kilo luggage like it was an apple and took it upstairs to the apartment. They also work out a ton and are ripped even if they look skinny.

Moscow didn't really run into anything, but again were told it's just the city center. If we ventured out of it, things would be different.

Finally, most of the time I was with my buddy so I think people are less likely to bug two guys rather than someone solo.

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 01:01 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

+1 from me Slubu. You and Vorkuta got me sold on Moscow.

How would you say the day to day living in Moscow was? The service in bars and restaurants the same as in Ukraine?

Glad to help. It wasn't that bad actually. I like big cities, so that helps. Service is on par with Ukraine, nothing special. The higher end places have better service, and probably a bit more English is spoken in Moscow.

(09-03-2013 01:08 AM)Hallasan Wrote:  

Can you mention a little bit about your buddy? I am similar height/weight and physique (although not Turkish/Persian looking). How skillful at game would you say he is? How motivated? The difference between 14 and 6 is quite dramatic.

Same age basically, he is very skilled probably moreso than me. He's been at this a lot longer than I, though from natural instinct than learning game. I'm probably more motivated, and more ruthless so that's why I probably got more bangs. If he was more determined, and a bit more selfish he'd but up there with me if not exceed me.

For example, in Kiev the last night he had a girl hooked but our new friend from Kiev who did help us out a lot really liked the girl. So despite likely being able to bone the girl, he pumped up the Kiev guy and handed her off to him. Even though I loved the guy too, as he helped us tremendously during our time there, and was super nice, I would not have done that.

(09-03-2013 05:48 AM)Akula Wrote:  

It continues to amaze me that there's not multiple things happening in Moscow from Sunday - Wednesday, particulary since there are over 14 million people here. But as you said it's just really pretty slow generally. Who would think that Kiev and even Tomsk would always have something going on while Moscow doesn't??

It's crazy I know. But it's not that terrible because you can just do your dates early in the week, go out on the weekend to refill the queue, and repeat.

Plus for me I should probably be in a city that doesn't have nightlife every night so I calm down and don't go out so much.

(09-03-2013 07:17 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Slubu, any time frame for moving to Moscow?

Nope. As my friend said, age doesn't matter there so there is no rush really. We rather be prepared than go back too soon and be stuck at the same level. You need money. You need the language skills.

The last weekend when we were at the club, there was a legit 9 body 9 face, could battle a victoria secret model. No english. She was still very nice, laughed with us, and entertained both my buddy and I on translator for a bit but while some girls are ok with the language barrier, you could tell this was not going anywhere. It's those type of girls that if you want, you need to have all your ducks in order.

[WanderingSoul]

Not sure if you can decipher this map, but does this gym seem close to where you stayed in Moscow? http://alliancegym.ru/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD...1%82%D1%8B

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 07:42 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Not sure if you can decipher this map, but does this gym seem close to where you stayed in Moscow? http://alliancegym.ru/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD...1%82%D1%8B

Only two metro stops from where we were. But that is very close to Gorky Park, which is the greatest park I think I've ever been to. Gyms were very expensive by the way, something like 375/month. Not sure about this one though.

[caveman101]

Hey slubu, how is interracial dating common in all the places you went? I ask because I'm Asian and I'm thinking about hitting Moscow, Budapest, Vienna and Kiev someday.

[WanderingSoul]

(09-03-2013 07:45 AM)slubu Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 07:42 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Not sure if you can decipher this map, but does this gym seem close to where you stayed in Moscow? http://alliancegym.ru/%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD...1%82%D1%8B

Only two metro stops from where we were. But that is very close to Gorky Park, which is the greatest park I think I've ever been to. Gyms were very expensive by the way, something like 375/month. Not sure about this one though.

Fuck me, that's ridiculous. Normally I prefer just a little shit gym with a squat rack, but this gym also has Jiu Jitsu and boxing. It definitely looks like some yuppy health club type of gym though, so probably very spendy.

[gadabout]

[quote='slubu' pid='525504' dateline='1378210382']


[quote]
It was brother Vorkuta who wrote that Moscow may be the best city in all of Russia in his epic thread here: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-20886.html[/quote]

That was a great thread, but that wasn't what I was referring to. Someone wrote a paragraph about how if you have money Moscow may very well be the greatest place on Earth for women. It was a post in some thread. I can't find it!

[quote]

Not saying it was me but I stated in my conclusion about Moscow that it would be the undisputed gamers paradise if it weren't for the high costs. But It's a double edged sword because it those prices that keep out the riff raff. But with Kiev being cheaper and better logistics I think it is a better option for most guys. Moscow will eat you alive unless you take the bull by the horns.

[thegmanifesto]

(09-03-2013 12:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Cost For The Trip - $14,395.37

That is actually pretty cheap for three months.

How did you keep your cost so low? You are a pretty heavy drinker too.

Were drinks just really cheap and food?

Any cost saving tips?

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Ugliest Dudes:
Winner - Novosibirsk. These guys could pass for trolls, mutants, freaks you name it. Lots of frankenstein types, bruisers with no brains, unibrows, askew heads, etc. We were models compared to these guys.

But didn't this work against you?

EE girls like uglier guys don't they?

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White God Factor:
Winner - Novosibirsk. Not even close. I will never in my life forget the girls from Posh, completely losing their shit when they found out we were from Los Angeles. They were screaming, complimenting our looks, they literally could not handle it. My buddy banged his girl although I could not connect with mine again as she left town and was a bit flakey. Their third friend would have been down too but they made her leave since it was only two of us. Of course there was the 3some night too, which I'm sure helped I was from Los Angeles. It was pretty outrageous.

Let's call a spade a spade.

This is called The California ID Factor.

[T and A Man]

(09-03-2013 09:54 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Let's call a spade a spade.

This is called The California ID Factor.

Is he in ketosis?

[Roosh]

Slubu has raised the standard for travel datasheet sharing, reporting, live updating, and statistical tracking. I believe his example sets the stage for a new golden age of the travel forum.

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 08:37 AM)caveman101 Wrote:  

Hey slubu, how is interracial dating common in all the places you went? I ask because I'm Asian and I'm thinking about hitting Moscow, Budapest, Vienna and Kiev someday.

I saw more in Moscow than other places, but I wouldn't be an authority on how accepted it is. Siberia a lot of guys look Asian anyway so that should be fine. Kiev is the most racist place I've ever been so I guess don't get your hopes up there but nothing is impossible.

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 09:54 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:00 AM)slubu Wrote:  

Cost For The Trip - $14,395.37

That is actually pretty cheap for three months.

How did you keep your cost so low? You are a pretty heavy drinker too.

Were drinks just really cheap and food?

Any cost saving tips?

Well Moscow skewed that number up higher, the other places it's pretty cheap to live in. We also bought groceries and ate at our apartment a lot, I'd say over 75% of the time. And when out if possible we would order Vodka which is cheaper than the other alcohol types. And we would drink a lot at home. Finally, cigarettes are dirt cheap - I'm talking $1-2 a pack.

Quote:

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Ugliest Dudes:
Winner - Novosibirsk. These guys could pass for trolls, mutants, freaks you name it. Lots of frankenstein types, bruisers with no brains, unibrows, askew heads, etc. We were models compared to these guys.

But didn't this work against you?

EE girls like uglier guys don't they?

I sense the sarcasm, but we did have girls burn us and leave with their men in Tomsk. That said, both my buddy and I were told we were a "beautiful man" multiple times in various cities. And we do not get told that in the US often, if at all.

Quote:

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White God Factor:
Winner - Novosibirsk. Not even close. I will never in my life forget the girls from Posh, completely losing their shit when they found out we were from Los Angeles. They were screaming, complimenting our looks, they literally could not handle it. My buddy banged his girl although I could not connect with mine again as she left town and was a bit flakey. Their third friend would have been down too but they made her leave since it was only two of us. Of course there was the 3some night too, which I'm sure helped I was from Los Angeles. It was pretty outrageous.

Let's call a spade a spade.

This is called The California ID Factor.

[/quote]

To borrow your favorite phrase, Zanziville OH would not have generated that response I imagine.

[slubu]

(09-03-2013 12:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Slubu has raised the standard for travel datasheet sharing, reporting, live updating, and statistical tracking. I believe his example sets the stage for a new golden age of the travel forum.

Thanks, I try. This forum has literally changed my life, that when I do have something to offer, I try to make it as robust and valuable as possible.

I sometimes look at photos of myself from 4-5 years ago, when I was in an LTR. I was pitiful. Horrible fashion, no hair style, somehow looked older, was straight up chubby. Now I'm enjoying life to the fullest in a very large part to everything I learned here.

Who knew googling "Medellin sluts" (how I found the forum) would change my life forever.