[Deepdiver]

Keep in Mind that the younger Russians (And Ukraine) love hip hop and the Urban look. There is a lot of emerging Russian Hip Hop across the country at one time Em'nEm was very popular and many still style after him - so if you have Skillz - Thrillz are sure to follow.

Takes some getting used to Accordion musik with Hip Hop beats though.

[Cad and Bounder]

American readers might appreciate a few words of insight on Europe. I've been living in Eastern Europe, and you guys might fund this useful for planning your trips.

One thing you have to look out for is EU vs. non-EU (Russia, Ukraine etc). In most countries in the EU (includes places like Croatia, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic) the young girls have an opportunity to travel/work in the West or at least will be burdened with anecdotes from friends/relatives. Unfortunately, this lowers the value of Western men, because it takes away the novelty of it all. It's better in non-EU.

Stag nights vs. non-stag nights. I can't stress how much I hate these cunts, or how they ruin it. If its a popular stag night location then the local girls' impression of foreign guys will usually be 12 loud, drunk, wankers being overtly obnoxious and pissing everyone off before they end up in a sex club. Nothing but nothing lowers the value of an English speaker more than these cunts. Of the cities on the list, Budapest is a major stag night location which is why night-game is tougher. They hear English and some of them just switch off immediately, or just pretend they can't speak English. Stay away from stag-night heavy places (Prague, Budapest, Barcelona etc) at least if you prefer to bang local girls.

[warder]

Round Trip tix from NYC to Moscow only $500 right now over Thanksgiving. Pretty crazy cheap. After reading this thread I'm definitely considering it.

Think I'd be ok to do it solo? I traveled to Rio solo for 10 days and had a pretty great trip.

[EU Explorer]

(09-24-2013 06:16 PM)Cad and Bounder Wrote:  

American readers might appreciate a few words of insight on Europe. I've been living in Eastern Europe, and you guys might fund this useful for planning your trips.

One thing you have to look out for is EU vs. non-EU (Russia, Ukraine etc). In most countries in the EU (includes places like Croatia, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic) the young girls have an opportunity to travel/work in the West or at least will be burdened with anecdotes from friends/relatives. Unfortunately, this lowers the value of Western men, because it takes away the novelty of it all. It's better in non-EU.

Stag nights vs. non-stag nights. I can't stress how much I hate these cunts, or how they ruin it. If its a popular stag night location then the local girls' impression of foreign guys will usually be 12 loud, drunk, wankers being overtly obnoxious and pissing everyone off before they end up in a sex club. Nothing but nothing lowers the value of an English speaker more than these cunts. Of the cities on the list, Budapest is a major stag night location which is why night-game is tougher. They hear English and some of them just switch off immediately, or just pretend they can't speak English. Stay away from stag-night heavy places (Prague, Budapest, Barcelona etc) at least if you prefer to bang local girls.

I would add Bratislava and Krakow to that list. I am ashamed to be English when I see those idiots appear on a Friday afternoon in an EU city fresh from a Ryanair flight half pissed by 1pm.

[Cattle Rustler]

EU Ex: Why can't they just get drunk in their own cities? I mean, it's not like they are there for the culture and local girls don't want to fuck them.

[Cad and Bounder]

You just need to adjust your tactics accordingly with this. For example, a lot of the places Slubu went too aren't typically stag night locations. You can still find these cities, or maybe take the second city approach that (I think) Roosh has written about before. You can also go to places like Scandanavia, which is too expensive for a stag-night culture.

You can also try and avoid the places that they go to within the city. So for example in Barcelona, if you want the local girls, don't go out at night around the Ramblas. Go to Tibidabo or Santalo instead.

The only good thing about the stag night twats is that they a marker of a touristic city, which means there will be single tourist girls in these places. Although, the issue here will be stopping the beta-boys in the hostels from cock-blocking you by them white-knighting the girls.

You just have to be a little smart about these things, and be aware of the social dynamics that are going on.

[wasssup]

(09-24-2013 06:16 PM)Cad and Bounder Wrote:  

American readers might appreciate a few words of insight on Europe. I've been living in Eastern Europe, and you guys might fund this useful for planning your trips.

One thing you have to look out for is EU vs. non-EU (Russia, Ukraine etc). In most countries in the EU (includes places like Croatia, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic) the young girls have an opportunity to travel/work in the West or at least will be burdened with anecdotes from friends/relatives. Unfortunately, this lowers the value of Western men, because it takes away the novelty of it all. It's better in non-EU.

Women from Ukraine, Russia and Belarus are way too overrated. because they have this slut gene, guys get validation there, and then think they're some big players..
for long term relationship, these women are absolute disaster.

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-03-2013 02:54 PM)wasssup Wrote:  

Women from Ukraine, Russia and Belarus are way too overrated. because they have this slut gene, guys get validation there, and then think they're some big players..
for long term relationship, these women are absolute disaster.

What about Croat women?

The one issue I have about CE/EE women is their propensity to show off. Hoes posting pictures of a BMW and drinking moet.....

[Courage Reborn]

(10-03-2013 03:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The one issue I have about CE/EE women is their propensity to show off. Hoes posting pictures of a BMW and drinking moet.....

Yup. The car/boat/jet pic. Which, you better believe was snapped by the last sucker she was with.

When I see this, be it on their social networking or dating profile, all bets are off with regards to gaming them like the status whores they are.

Huge turn off if you're looking for that end game girl.

[wasssup]

I wish luck to guys looking for a lovely, feminine Ukrainian wife..

Lot of you guys are doing it wrong.. splashing money, renting expensive apartments etc. with the end result of attractting only trashy gold diggers

[Cattle Rustler]

(10-03-2013 04:16 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 03:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The one issue I have about CE/EE women is their propensity to show off. Hoes posting pictures of a BMW and drinking moet.....

Yup. The car/boat/jet pic. Which, you better believe was snapped by the last sucker she was with.

When I see this, be it on their social networking or dating profile, all bets are off with regards to gaming them like the status whores they are.

Huge turn off if you're looking for that end game girl.

Exactly! There's nothing wrong with some luxury but these beeshes seem to bathe in it. The sad part is, most of them are village girls who 10 years ago were not having their 3 daily meals. That's what I hate about globalization, it turns the poor into snobs.

"Oh you drink beer? I don't drink beer, only whisky"....words of a Kazakh 20 yr girl whose parents bought her a Porsche and never had a job.

Personally, no 18-23 year old is suitable for marriage. I've talked to some UA girls who are older (29+) and they are more chilled out, they know no man wants them, wages are crappy, and their clock is ticking.

[Akula]

(09-29-2013 10:20 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

EU Ex: Why can't they just get drunk in their own cities? I mean, it's not like they are there for the culture and local girls don't want to fuck them.

There are so many cheap flights on Ryanair and Easyjet etc. from London now that it's almost cheaper to fly to Riga/Krakow/Prague etc. for these idiots than to do a stag in the UK (particularly London given how expensive it is).

I think they just like to look at the hot girls during the day or at the club, drink cheap beer and then move on to the strip clubs where they can get much better looking girls than they typically can back home (numbers-wise at least). I'm sure that during the original first few trips some of these guys actually hooked up too and then went back and told everyone how great Krakow or wherever is for a stag and it just went from that into a death spiral over period of time.

Of course they screw it up for the rest of us by having totally taken away the 'foreigner intrigue' over the past decade or so. In Wroclaw and Krakow I remember seeing numerous signs saying 'no stag/bachelor parties'. But the serious guy with game will still do well in most of these places as long as you stay away from these kinds of partiers.

[Akula]

(10-03-2013 04:16 PM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  

(10-03-2013 03:29 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

The one issue I have about CE/EE women is their propensity to show off. Hoes posting pictures of a BMW and drinking moet.....

Yup. The car/boat/jet pic. Which, you better believe was snapped by the last sucker she was with.

When I see this, be it on their social networking or dating profile, all bets are off with regards to gaming them like the status whores they are.

Huge turn off if you're looking for that end game girl.

Spot on CR. Some of these girls also have thousands of dollars worth of expensive gifts from past boyfriends/sponsors too. The Facebook/VK pages with photos of them at all these fancy resorts in Europe or wherever are a dead giveaway.

Sometimes I really fear that the current crop of Russian girls, at least in Moscow, are really catching up to the West and it's affecting them. As Roosh said, it can change FAST. There are tons of wealthy men here, married and single, who date 3-4-5 women at a time and have a stable of girls to choose from who they take on luxury vacations or expensive dinners and buy them gifts. And even if these guys aren't wealthy the Russian mentality is to spend what you've got so guys will go out and blow every penny they have to look like a baller and impress the girls. It's not everyone but it's plenty of guys.

The last few girls I've been with here where we've been out over the course of a few months have all inevitably started asking me for stuff (purses, bracelets (Pandora!!), etc.) and to take them on trips when I go away . Probably just a small sample size, but then again every girl here now has a smartphone/FB/Instagram account so they are catching up fast and all now soak up the constant attention like anyone one else does in the West I assume. And they are all well aware of their friends getting taken to Dubai or Bali or wherever 2x a year and living it up. One girl I have been seeing less than two months asked me point blank why I didn't take her to a wedding I went to in Egypt a few weeks back, this after knowing her a little over a month or so. That could just be a Moscow thing and is of course economy-dependent but Moscow's had a decent run post-crisis and expectations seem to have risen a lot.

[shotgun]

What is with Russian married women and cheating on their husbands? For my slow sample of Russian married women I've met, I've seen a shockingly big percentage of them doing it, with my own eyes. My impression is that after a few years of marriage, it won't mean much more than a transaction to them. They seem to have a very loose concept of fidelity. Isn't the divorce rate in Russia the highest in the world?

[Teedub]

(09-29-2013 06:01 PM)EU Explorer Wrote:  

I would add Bratislava and Krakow to that list. I am ashamed to be English when I see those idiots appear on a Friday afternoon in an EU city fresh from a Ryanair flight half pissed by 1pm.

On a recent solo trip to Hamburg (a very popular stag location) I was on a plane full of these types. I shot them an angry scowl whenever they started singing etc. Infuriating morons. I know I'll end up on one of those parties in the coming years as my friends get married, I'll be sure to keep them away from Ukraine.