[Skotch]

Hello everyone. I'm Skotch and I'm a long time lurker, sometime gamer. A little over a year ago, I got out of a 1 year LTR which was preceded by a 3 year LTR. I got burned pretty bad and it awakened me to the true nature of women. I decided I wanted to be a player. A friend had had some success with Roosh's stuff, so I jumped in. I read Bang (borrowed from said friend, not bought... sorry, Roosh....) and finished my first Program. I liked the idea proposed a while back that everyone have their own 100 approach thread, and I felt information on Japan was sorely lacking on RooshvForum. My program was far more successful than I could have ever hoped, so here I am.


First some info about me:

I'm 25 and I've been living in Japan since late 2010. I'm 6'4" 190 and play basketball religiously. I'm enrolled in a graduate program in Kyoto and live in Osaka. My Japanese is advanced. I work as a translator and English tutor on the side, so I'm pretty poor, but have a decent amount of free time.


Some things I learned about Game in Japan:

- Japanese girls have insane bodies, virtually no fat, and nice legs despite their small stature. If you don't mind small boobs, it's fucking amazing.
- To get girls, your Japanese has to be really great, or totally non-existent. If you're anything in between, you're not exotic enough to get by on foreigner appeal nor can you hold a conversation.
- Bad PUA and Game stuff is all over the place in Japan. Here, gaming is called "Nanpa," and women are quick to call you out on it. Simply talking to a woman you don't know can get you accused of Nanpa. I used to deny, but "agree and amplify" works much better.
- Japanese girls are really afraid of being sluts. Club rats are the exception. Obvious PDA is an no-no with a girl you haven't slept with.
- Because there are so many wannabe players here, waitresses, bartenders, and store clerks are hit on a ton. They are elevated to a godess-like status. They are the grail for Japanese men.
- If you can get a conversation going, Japanese chicks are easier to get contact info from than Western girls. They are, however, far flakier (I think).
- Text game is ridiculously important. Japanese people don't actually text, they send emails between phones. It's a stupid system that I could bitch about for ages. It can take a week to send ten messages (some girls text at normal rates, though). Messages like "what's up?" are called Tawaimonai (worthless, childish, and stupid), and should be avoided. I usually try to send something interesting and segue into asking a girl out immediately.
- If you can get the kiss, you can almost always get the bang.
- The are a shitload of gold diggers. Seriously, the hottest chicks go for the weakest, wealthiest guys. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a gorgeous woman walking hand-in-hand with a frail little dude who's holding her purse for her. Like young, awesomely hot girls. The really bomb ones go out and get rings fast.
- Clubs are, once you figure out the trick, very easy. Almost scarily easy... Seriously, be careful. Japan is the only industrialized nation where AIDs infection rates are going up. It's still relatively low, but Japanese dudes love raw-dogging and love to bust inside (Nakadashi), so raw dog at your own risk.

I'd like to get in about 200 or 300 more approaches and see if anything changes.


Some tricks I learned:

The ear trick.
Japanese girls seem to touch my ears a lot when I kiss them (they are kind of big, so this may not work for everyone). If I can't seem to escalate, I tell them not to touch my ears because it drives me too wild and it's dangerous. They touch my ears, pull their collar and bra down and lick their nipples, or stick my hand in their panties or something; escalation problem solved. I think it works because it gives them a bit of control, but they're not at fault for the consequences.

Cooking is like Jesusmagic.
Japanese girls love food, so if you tell them you want to cook them something and have a drink at your place, they'll come over on the first date. I like to meet them at the station, go to my place and drop shit off, go to the grocery store, go to the liquor store, and then head back. I think it's like an accelerated version of the venue-switch maneuver.

Cutesy Game Plays... Kind of...
Giving a girl a note or writing a little letter has been mildly successful for me. It's nice if an approach is difficult or you're running short on time. It could be that it's a numbers game and I just got lucky, but I think there's something to it. Japanese people are very shy around people they've just met, so expressing interest and giving them the buffer of a phone or message helps them, I think.

Mexican food.
Most Japanese people think they like tacos. Other than that they know nothing about it. Mexican restaurants are rare, but they usually double as bars and are open later than other restaurants. It's a good way to get a girl out. It's new and exciting, and you can have a light meal and get a couple of drinks in her at a late hour when the only other options are stinky Izakaya bars filled with businessmen.



I have a lot of information, but this post is getting really long as it is. I'll start posting my 100 approaches and try to finish over the next few days. Please feel free to ask some questions. The Osaka area is far different from Tokyo, so I think I can provide some valuable insight.

[JofSuperman]

Great write up! I have my eye on Japan one of these days. Went on a date with a hot Japanese girl, she had issues with me trying to make out with her in public and PDA. I thought "my game" was the problem but after some more Asian girls learned they were also part of the problem.

[Skotch]

Yeah. I think fundamentally Japanese girls aren't too different from Western ones, but you have to be careful of cultural stuff. They don't shave their crotches because they love public baths and they're afraid people will see their bare vag and think they're sluts. You should check it out. I've been to maybe 7 or 8 countries and I think Japanese women are the best.


Approaches 1,2,3.

(1,2) I kind of got approached. I was out in another prefecture (Mie) in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere to go to a party with people from an affiliated company. It was my first time out in a while, so I decided to start my program here. We were partying in the back room of a little bar. When I went into the main room to pee, two girls flagged me down. I told them "sorry, I had to go," took a pee, got a new drink, talked to the bartenders a bit (making sure that the girls could see me), and went back over. One was trashy-hot (7) and the other was pretty but quiet (8).

I sat between them, downed my whiskey, grabbed the bottle of Imojochu (Japanese potato liquor) they had at the table and poured myself a drink. They seemed happy to share, which wasn't the reaction I wanted, but not bad. I teased them a bit about their country-ass city and suggested we meet up after my party was over. The skanky one was down, but the pretty one said she wanted to go home. I got both of their numbers and went back to my party. I texted with both quite a bit over the next few days, but I never ended up going back to that prefecture.

(3) I went back to our private area and I sat in a big group of older ladies and one girl and shoot the shit. I got them all eating out of my hand and then made my move on the younger one. Short, awesome body, passable face, but loses one point for terrible teeth and another for being 28 years old (6). I got all the ladies' numbers and texted her immediately. "Let's grab a drink together after this." She checked her phone, turned bright red, and nodded.

The ladies wanted to take the party to a nearby shot bar, and I foolishly agreed. This is where I think I lost it, but I learned a valuable lesson about logistics. I sat next to my girl and grabbed her hand under the table. I moved to her thigh, occasionally giving her a little stroke. I took her hand one more time and placed it gently on my crotch. She left it there, so I took it as the "go" sign. I waited a while and slowly got up, put on my coat, and suggested we all go home. I grabbed girl's hand and walked out. My hotel was just down the street... I thought I was home free. The ladies pounced and threw her into a cab. I never heard back from her. I should have gotten her away from the hens, but I got cocky and it cost me. When I got back to the hotel I almost cried.

Batting Average: .000

[WestIndianArchie]

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[Skotch]

Train game. Impressive. I've tried, but I've gotten maybe one number. There are definitely more girls here that are suitable LTR material.



Approaches 4,5,6,7.

​Approached some girls in the square between the stations in Kyobashi, Osaka. It's infamous for Nanpa, so I didn't expect much, but I had about a half hour before I had to be anywhere and decided to practice my technique.

Japanese Lesson: Nanpashi = PUA

​(4) Saw really hot girl with pigtails and a short skirt (8.5) walking and texting. I asked her about her pink rabbit iPhone case (they were really popular there for a while), and we got a conversation going. She was laughing and seemingly having a good time when she suddenly said, "I hate Nanpashi, so I'm going to go meet my friend now. It was interesting though. I think the case thing must be a new technique." Not sure what I should have said here.

​(5) Next were two smoking hot girls who were sitting on a bench texting furiously (likely club girls trying to draw in clients for their evening shifts). They'd already been approached by two or three other Nanpashi, but I decided to give it a shot for shits. One had her hair bleached blond with purple color-contacts (9), and the other was tall with long hair and a super small skirt (9). I blasted them with English. It usually gets a good reaction, but they did nothing. I hit them again with Japanese. They didn't even look at me.

​Finally, I asked if they'd just help me practice my Japanese. The one with purple contacts looked up and said, "you speak fine, so clearly you just want something..." I told her I wanted to practice my Japanese with some cute girls. I asked her what the uvula is called. The Japanese word is basically 'throat penis,' so I thought she might react. She rolled her eyes, so I said, "You know, you're really cute. You could totally work at one of the cheaper hostess clubs or like a strip club on a weekday." Not exactly a great display of control, but it felt good....

​(3) Next up was a girl walking on the street near the beef bowl place. She was cute, nice tight jeans and high heals, very short (6). I waved to her and she stopped. She looked at me for a second and said, "It's been a while! Did you cut your hair? It looks good." I said, "Thanks... I don't know you, though... Are you trying to pick me up?!" She practically ran away.

​(4) I saw a girl I kind of knew from school. She's kind of a pinhead, but her body and hair are awesome. She loses an additional 3 points for extreme, almost unreal levels of stupidity (3.5). She was practically being chased by another Nanpashi. She had her hand over the right side of her face and had broken into as much of a run as her giant high heels would allow. I waved to her and he abandoned his target. I thought I could swoop her... We chatted for a bit and I asked for her number, but she declined and went on her way. It may have been just bad timing, but I can't help but feel that I could have pulled the number if my game had been tighter.

Batting Average: .000


I have a few lessons and a date this evening, so I'll call it a day. I'll try to post some more tomorrow. Going over my notes is pretty damn fun, actually.

[memcpy]

"Some things I learned about Game in Japan:

- Japanese girls have insane bodies, virtually no fat, and nice legs despite their small stature. If you don't mind small boobs, it's fucking amazing.
Agree with you here

- To get girls, your Japanese has to be really great, or totally non-existent. If you're anything in between, you're not exotic enough to get by on foreigner appeal nor can you hold a conversation.
My Japanese is somewhere in-between. The more you speak the better. The less you speak, it just limits you and your potential.

- Bad PUA and Game stuff is all over the place in Japan. Here, gaming is called "Nanpa," and women are quick to call you out on it. Simply talking to a woman you don't know can get you accused of Nanpa. I used to deny, but "agree and amplify" works much better.
All the nanpa guys do is (weak) street game. They will always be seen walking next to girls and spitting their game. They rarely stop girls from walking.

Example:
japanese guy:"domo konnichiha"
japanese guy:"Where are you going?"
japanese girl:"........"
japanese guy:"Are you going home?"
japanese girl:"........"

The handful of times i've actually seen them stop girls , I could tell those girls were DTF but they were just going for a flakey number. I was like wtf?

In addition to the nanpa guys you also have the Host club scouts who are looking for new talent, they are looking for girls to work in their host clubs.
I know an owner of a host club and was talking to him. I was asking him about how many girls he has to approach to get 1 number. His answer, as well as other host scouts i've talked to tell me it's like 30 girls for 1 number, is about the average for a host scout.

The street is not where i've been the most successful. Because of scouts and nanpa dudes. If you open indirect IN STORES (bookstore, grocery,etc.) you shouldn't get this. I've only been called out on it 1 time out of 800 or so approaches here, and this was over a text message. The other time was after I banged this girl and she asked me "why were you looking for a dictionary? Nanpa?" I just said "It was chance we met and I happened to be looking for one."

- Japanese girls are really afraid of being sluts. Club rats are the exception. Obvious PDA is an no-no with a girl you haven't slept with.
You can touch Japanese girls you haven't slept with. You can't kiss or make-out in public. Needs to be private. At the club anything goes, I agree.

- Because there are so many wannabe players here, waitresses, bartenders, and store clerks are hit on a ton. They are elevated to a godess-like status. They are the grail for Japanese men.
Japanese guys have bad fucking game. Guess what the most common koekakete approach to girls is ? "doku ikuno? where are you going? If you can do better than this then you are already ahead of the game, with these dudes.

- If you can get a conversation going, Japanese chicks are easier to get contact info from than Western girls. They are, however, far flakier (I think).
Japanese girls are easy and nice to talk to. Roosh's day game model works over here. It's true if she asks a personal question then its more likely to result in a date. They are flakey and will hand out numbers

- Text game is ridiculously important. Japanese people don't actually text, they send emails between phones. It's a stupid system that I could bitch about for ages. It can take a week to send ten messages (some girls text at normal rates, though). Messages like "what's up?" are called Tawaimonai (worthless, childish, and stupid), and should be avoided. I usually try to send something interesting and segue into asking a girl out immediately.
Follow Roosh's text guide thats all you need. I can confirm it works over here.

- If you can get the kiss, you can almost always get the bang.
Not always, they will sometimes give a shit ton of resistance in the bedroom.

- The are a shitload of gold diggers. Seriously, the hottest chicks go for the weakest, wealthiest guys. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a gorgeous woman walking hand-in-hand with a frail little dude who's holding her purse for her. Like young, awesomely hot girls. The really bomb ones go out and get rings fast.
True, but i've also seen some broke ass dudes. You know those bosousoku dudes who try to act all badass? yea they don't have shit but they always have nice girls. Lot of busted dudes here with nice girls.

- Clubs are, once you figure out the trick, very easy. Almost scarily easy... Seriously, be careful. Japan is the only industrialized nation where AIDs infection rates are going up. It's still relatively low, but Japanese dudes love raw-dogging and love to bust inside (Nakadashi), so raw dog at your own risk.
Stick to day game. Is probably true but I mostly do day game. Clubs in Shibuya are insane the first time I went. There are like 40 or so love hotels right next to the clubs in just a small area. It's not even a 1 minute walk from the club to the love hotel, good logistics. I'm not sure if this true or not but I heard the main form of birth control is abortion, correct me if i'm wrong on this.

[Laner]

This is great. Japan is the furthest from earth you can get without a space ship.

Love the place.

[Menace]

Fantastic post. Japan is definitely on my list and has been a long time. Did you have problems getting with girls prior to game ? I wound think that your phenotype would go over very well there.

[Skotch]

Tonight's date ended earlier than expected. I'm a little disappointed, but the next is set for Monday here at my place, so I'll seal the deal then.

@Menace. I never had problems really, but I've never been a player. I started my first LTR at about 16 and had never been single for more than a few months since. I wasn't always faithful, but I never smashed a bunch. Like I said, I got burned pretty bad on the last one so I wanted to try something better.

@Memcpy. You're probably right about day game being better here, but I've been doing both. I think Roosh said somewhere that you should do one or the other until you understand them both inside and out, but I feel like I'm progressing well enough. I just can't resist club game when I want a good fix. Any pointers are appreciated, though. Sounds like you've been putting in work here.


Approaches 8,9,10,11,12 (Super Hail Mary of all Hail Marys).

(8,9) Went out drinking in Osaka proper with a friend. He's hopeless. We successfully opened two groups, one of three girls, one of four, but he ruined it both times. He actually told a girl his IQ completely unsolicited. I told him to fucking chill, but he couldn't seem to keep his mouth under control at all.

(10) Met up with two other friends at a second bar. Not one passable girl, so we bailed and hit a ramen shop. A cute girl sitting with a trollbeast in the corner waved to me and said she knew me. Good face, big lips, cute hair, no makeup, wearing sweats, loses one point for heavy smoking (7). Her friend looks like she belongs under a bridge, loses another point for heavy smoking (0).

I ordered my food and went over to talk. She swore she knew me, but I had no idea. She pulled out her phone and produced a picture of the two of us posing together in the street. I'm wearing my basketball uniform and look completely trashed, she's sober wearing a short skirt and white blouse with proper makeup looking like a 9. It must've been a party after a game. I told her to give me her number. Her fat goblin friend wanted to exchange contact info as well, so I did that (not sure that was a good idea). I returned to my table and ate.

I meant to text her the next day or something, but forgot for almost a month. I hit her up again, but she flaked on the date. I never bothered with her again. Her orc friend still sends me LINE messages sometimes.

(11) I pulled the plug around 11ish, and me and the one friend hopped on the train home. The train was crowded and two older women were behind us (late 20s, early 30s). One is very pretty, loses one point for a pretty sizable pimple on her chin, gains one point for being super petite, loses another point for being older (5). The friend is ugly as balls, but has a nice figure (3).

I noticed the prettier one looking at me, so I winked. She giggled, so I opened her. “Why are you two so sober on a Saturday?” I talked a bit more and had my buddy keep his mouth shut. After a bit they asked us to drink with them in a town close to mine. I told her I'd think about it.

(12) It was then that 4 cute girls (easily 8s and 9s) and 4 guys boarded the train just blasted out of their minds. I opened the boys, talked a bit, and proceed to hit on the girls. They were laughing and having fun with "the handsome foreigner," so I got some contact info. I got a little carried away and started to pick on the boys... They seemed rather miffed, so I backed off a bit and offered to grab them a round. It was here that they told me they were high school seniors and that they'd been drinking in the park all night. Fuck.

I returned to my buddy and the older ladies. He did a good job keeping them engaged, so we went with them to a bar. I pulled the pretty one away to a couch out of sight of the bar and kissed her. She was terrible. Really and truly awful. But I was horny and she was pretty enough, so I downed a couple drinks and pulled the trigger. I got my buddy to take the friend to the station and got girl into a cab with me. Back to my place for some of the worst sex I've ever had. Not pretty, but that's number one on The Program.

Batting Average: .083

[bojangles]

nice you got a lay, great fucking thread, fuck I wanna visit Japan now.

[freshcream]

Japan is awesome. Wish I had the funds to take a longer stay there.

[Sargon of Akkad]

This is interesting, as I'm planning on spending this year in Osaka starting in April.

My last exclusive girl was Japanese, and as far as PDF was concerned, she did it more than me (though, admittedly, she even said she was not a typical Japanese).

One question, though: to what extent does gaming in Japan differ from running game in China, as I have quite a bit more experience with Chinese girls. Is it reasonable to go in with similar expectations, and can any parallels be drawn?

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They are, however, far flakier (I think).

This has been my experience, too, at least with Japanese exchange students where I live. I was surprised at how flaky those women were.

[booshala]

Great thread and very descriptive posts, skotch... One of my buddies there has a similar MO 6'4" gaijin who speaks great 日本語 and pretty much says the exact same shit. Unfortunately for me, my Japanese is terrible and I'm Asian American, so it's always been hard to find native Japanese that are into it.

Keep up the posts, very informative and entertaining.

[Skotch]

Yeah, these girls are flaky. I was supposed to meet a girl (6) for an experimental breakfast date this morning at 10, but she bailed. I've been using girls on the lower end of the spectrum to try new stuff out. I really want to try this breakfast date thing. Japanese breakfast is worlds different from Western breakfasts. They have French toast and waffles and shit, but they eat them for dessert or for snacks. Japanese pancakes are disgusting. I offered good American pancakes or French toast for girl if she brought all the stuff over. I think a morning rendezvous would eliminate girls having to leave before bedfunhappytime because there's no last train to miss. I also wondered if the Ben Franklin Effect wouldn't work in my favor. "I'm getting all this stuff for this guy and going to his house in the morning, so I must like him." I think there's something to this for girls who live farther away, so let me know what you think.



Approaches 13,14.

Japanese Lesson: Purikura = photo booth.

(13) I have mild near-sightedness. I look terrible in glasses and never could get used to contacts, so I suffer in silence. Saw a girl who I thought was a 7 waiting for a table to open up at Starbucks. Long hair, decent body, high heels just like I like it, but turned out to be kind of ugly (4). I opened her by saying, “If a table opens up, let's race.” She didn't bite, but she kind of laughed, so I asked her if she was a student. It turned out she was visiting from Nagoya. “Ohhh, Nagoya. I hate Nagoya.” She reacted well to this. I got the number and let her go to her table. She texted me several times over the next few weeks about going to lunch or some such nonsense.

(14) I sat and studied a bit. When I went to get a refill when a knockout came in. About 5'8" with high heels on top of that, good face, really long hair, loses a tiny bit for mild teeth funkiness (9). She sat down and started studying math. I approached her table, smiled and waved, and just asked, “how tall are you?” She laughed and told me, I introduced myself, complemented her tallness, and sat down. I asked her about the Purikura pictures on her key chain. I figured it'd be good since Japanese girls love the shit out of themselves. She talked for maybe 10 minutes solid. I didn't say anything and she offered her number. I teased her about being too aggressive and suggested dinner first. She declined, but said I could walk her to night school. Looking back I should have declined.

When I got her to the school, there were a bunch of high school kids there who greeted her using an honorific implying she was one of them. I texted her later and she admitted she was 17... About 90% of Japanese kids participate in after school activities, so I thought that I'd be safe around that time of day hitting on a younger girl in plain clothes. I put her on the back burner, but she stopped texting me.

Batting Average: .071

[rudebwoy]

Welcome to the board and very nice post!

Japan is top of my wishlist, I have friends who have lived there and rated it number one country in the world. Some are still there and have no plans to leave anytime soon.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(02-01-2013 10:10 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

Yeah, these girls are flaky. I was supposed to meet a girl (6) for an experimental breakfast date this morning at 10, but she bailed.

Any recommendation on what can be done about this? Supposedly, the exchange students in my city are not representative of most Japanese women, but, SHIT. With other nationalities I've encountered, flaking only occurs occasionally. With these Japanese students, I was at the point when I was surprised whenever the girl didn't flake.

[Skotch]

@Sargon
I've only been to China a couple times, and both were with my girlfriend, so I can't comment. I have a buddy who's living there and he seems to think Chinese girls are really easy to pick up. He's not particularly attractive, but he's pretty funny and very dickish. They have to have better senses of humor than Japanese girls.... Yikes.

As for the flaking, I still haven't found a great way to deal with it. I usually send a message like, "I don't usually chill with flaky people. You can buy me dinner," or "I guess I'll forgive you (using a Japanese form that puts me above them)." I think I got that from Tuthmosis.

Another way would be to avoid shit like breakfast dates... It requires a lot of investment on their part. I thought it would be worth a shot, but if she never shows up it's pointless. I'd like to try a few more times, just to see. At any rate, I think just keeping shit simple would be the best, and make sure you take charge and decide everything. Japanese girls like that and are feminine enough to admit it.



Approach 15.

I frequent a little food cart that serves chocolate covered waffles. The girl that works there never wears makeup and always uses a doctor's mask to cover it (that's really common here). I'd usually chat her up, but the mask and baggy waffle stand uniform meant I had no idea what she really looked like. She's now 20 and had a baby at 16, dropped out of high school at 17, married a man who was later arrested for armed robbery, and she smokes like a chimney. She's obviously a fucking moron, but I had this inkling that she might be really hot.... I decided to ask her out for shits. I told her there was a Mexican restaurant I wanted to try and set up a date.

The day we landed on turned out to be a day off for the restaurant, so I suggested we go to my place and make something. She agreed and we met in front of the grocery store by my place. She showed up with no mask and awesome makeup. Her nails, which had always been covered by gloves, were beautifully manicured. Her high heels made her butt stick out in just the right way and her boobs were much bigger than I'd imagined. She loses a point for smoking and half a point for a biggish nose (8).

I made German style mac and cheese with garlic toast and salad and made her do the cutting and the dishes. I got her over to the bed and started to make a move when her mom called and told her to get home and watch her kid. The stupid idiot left the kid home alone and just shot her mom a text saying she was going out. Fuuuuuuck.

I eventually got the notch (Mexican food → drinks at my place... This is when I decided to experiment more with the Mexican Food Trick). Her body is a fucking miracle. She's still in the rotation. She's a 5 or 6 without makeup.

Lesson Learned: Asian girls really are good at putting on makeup.

Batting average: .133

[RouteBackwards]

(02-01-2013 02:00 AM)Skotch Wrote:  

Hello everyone. I'm Skotch and I'm a long time lurker, sometime gamer. A little over a year ago, I got out of a 1 year LTR which was preceded by a 3 year LTR. I got burned pretty bad and it awakened me to the true nature of women. I decided I wanted to be a player. A friend had had some success with Roosh's stuff, so I jumped in. I read Bang (borrowed from said friend, not bought... sorry, Roosh....) and finished my first Program. I liked the idea proposed a while back that everyone have their own 100 approach thread, and I felt information on Japan was sorely lacking on RooshvForum. My program was far more successful than I could have ever hoped, so here I am.


First some info about me:

I'm 25 and I've been living in Japan since late 2010. I'm 6'4" 190 and play basketball religiously. I'm enrolled in a graduate program in Kyoto and live in Osaka. My Japanese is advanced. I work as a translator and English tutor on the side, so I'm pretty poor, but have a decent amount of free time.


Some things I learned about Game in Japan:

- Japanese girls have insane bodies, virtually no fat, and nice legs despite their small stature. If you don't mind small boobs, it's fucking amazing.
- To get girls, your Japanese has to be really great, or totally non-existent. If you're anything in between, you're not exotic enough to get by on foreigner appeal nor can you hold a conversation.
- Bad PUA and Game stuff is all over the place in Japan. Here, gaming is called "Nanpa," and women are quick to call you out on it. Simply talking to a woman you don't know can get you accused of Nanpa. I used to deny, but "agree and amplify" works much better.
- Japanese girls are really afraid of being sluts. Club rats are the exception. Obvious PDA is an no-no with a girl you haven't slept with.
- Because there are so many wannabe players here, waitresses, bartenders, and store clerks are hit on a ton. They are elevated to a godess-like status. They are the grail for Japanese men.
- If you can get a conversation going, Japanese chicks are easier to get contact info from than Western girls. They are, however, far flakier (I think).
- Text game is ridiculously important. Japanese people don't actually text, they send emails between phones. It's a stupid system that I could bitch about for ages. It can take a week to send ten messages (some girls text at normal rates, though). Messages like "what's up?" are called Tawaimonai (worthless, childish, and stupid), and should be avoided. I usually try to send something interesting and segue into asking a girl out immediately.
- If you can get the kiss, you can almost always get the bang.
- The are a shitload of gold diggers. Seriously, the hottest chicks go for the weakest, wealthiest guys. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a gorgeous woman walking hand-in-hand with a frail little dude who's holding her purse for her. Like young, awesomely hot girls. The really bomb ones go out and get rings fast.
- Clubs are, once you figure out the trick, very easy. Almost scarily easy... Seriously, be careful. Japan is the only industrialized nation where AIDs infection rates are going up. It's still relatively low, but Japanese dudes love raw-dogging and love to bust inside (Nakadashi), so raw dog at your own risk.

I'd like to get in about 200 or 300 more approaches and see if anything changes.


Some tricks I learned:

The ear trick.
Japanese girls seem to touch my ears a lot when I kiss them (they are kind of big, so this may not work for everyone). If I can't seem to escalate, I tell them not to touch my ears because it drives me too wild and it's dangerous. They touch my ears, pull their collar and bra down and lick their nipples, or stick my hand in their panties or something; escalation problem solved. I think it works because it gives them a bit of control, but they're not at fault for the consequences.

Cooking is like Jesusmagic.
Japanese girls love food, so if you tell them you want to cook them something and have a drink at your place, they'll come over on the first date. I like to meet them at the station, go to my place and drop shit off, go to the grocery store, go to the liquor store, and then head back. I think it's like an accelerated version of the venue-switch maneuver.

Cutesy Game Plays... Kind of...
Giving a girl a note or writing a little letter has been mildly successful for me. It's nice if an approach is difficult or you're running short on time. It could be that it's a numbers game and I just got lucky, but I think there's something to it. Japanese people are very shy around people they've just met, so expressing interest and giving them the buffer of a phone or message helps them, I think.

Mexican food.
Most Japanese people think they like tacos. Other than that they know nothing about it. Mexican restaurants are rare, but they usually double as bars and are open later than other restaurants. It's a good way to get a girl out. It's new and exciting, and you can have a light meal and get a couple of drinks in her at a late hour when the only other options are stinky Izakaya bars filled with businessmen.



I have a lot of information, but this post is getting really long as it is. I'll start posting my 100 approaches and try to finish over the next few days. Please feel free to ask some questions. The Osaka area is far different from Tokyo, so I think I can provide some valuable insight.

Through all the travel guides relating to game I've randomly read, I always thought Japan would be a cool location. This is dope stuff man. Keep dropping quality knowledge like this.

[memcpy]

(02-02-2013 04:54 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 10:10 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

Yeah, these girls are flaky. I was supposed to meet a girl (6) for an experimental breakfast date this morning at 10, but she bailed.

Any recommendation on what can be done about this? Supposedly, the exchange students in my city are not representative of most Japanese women, but, SHIT. With other nationalities I've encountered, flaking only occurs occasionally. With these Japanese students, I was at the point when I was surprised whenever the girl didn't flake.

All the foreign guys as well as the Japanese guys i've talked to say they are flaky even though they are very nice and gave you a number. Numbers don't mean anything here. The only thing I use is roosh's text guide. If she flakes then I have other numbers so it's no big deal. Keep approaching. Go for insta dates, rather than a number. Push as far as you can on the first encounter.

Here is what I send for a first text.
Hello j-girl, (my name) desu. ----(hello j-girl , it's ____)
saikin ha dou desuka? ---(how have you been ?)

I'll get a response and ask if she's free next week. If she flakes then on to the next.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(02-02-2013 10:32 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

@Sargon
As for the flaking, I still haven't found a great way to deal with it. I usually send a message like, "I don't usually chill with flaky people. You can buy me dinner," or "I guess I'll forgive you (using a Japanese form that puts me above them)." I think I got that from Tuthmosis.

I suppose the only decent sollution to unusually high amounts of flaking is to concentrate on night game, where you can directly take her home with you without worrying about the whole number exchange thing.

(02-02-2013 10:32 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

I've only been to China a couple times, and both were with my girlfriend, so I can't comment. I have a buddy who's living there and he seems to think Chinese girls are really easy to pick up. He's not particularly attractive, but he's pretty funny and very dickish. They have to have better senses of humor than Japanese girls.... Yikes.

I kind of get annoyed when I hear this. They're not hard, but they're not necessarily easy, either. You only have the advantages that A.) there's a foreigner-groupy crowd, providing you with a niche if you know where to look, and B.) 98% of the local guys have no game, whatsoever, so there you'll find less competition in a Chinese club. Also, they flake relatively less.

(02-03-2013 06:07 AM)memcpy Wrote:  

I'll get a response and ask if she's free next week. If she flakes then on to the next.

By flaking, I usually mean, agreeing to meet up with someone and cancelling on extremely short notice based on a BS-excuse (headache, etc.) without offering an alternative.

[Skotch]

(02-03-2013 06:07 AM)memcpy Wrote:  

Numbers don't mean anything here.

They don't not mean nothing...



Approaches 16,17,18,19,20,21.


This one's long, but I think I learned a lot about high level girls, so bear with me.

There's a college near my work, so Starbucks always has some hotties. I decided to try some day game there. I took a book figuring that if I didn't find anything, I'd at least get some studying done.

(16) I walked in to put my stuff down and immediately found a target. Long hair, cute face, big boobs, but a little chubby for a Japanese girl (6). Approached her by just saying "hi." Chatted for a bit, got the number. I texted her a decent amount, but she never would agree to a date.

(17) I moved to the second floor and found another good one. Short pixie-ish hair, awesome face, tight body, 5” heels, tight white jeans, small perky tits, loses half a point for sort of strange teeth (easily an 8.5). I decided to try blasting her with English. I think it went well because I had her qualifying herself quickly.

Me (in English): Are you going to finish that sandwich?
Her: Ehhh????
Me (slowly in English): Give me some sandwich, please.
Her (in Japanese): What?!
Me (in Japanese): Just a bite.
Her: No! What the hell is that?! You can speak Japanese... Why would you do that?
Me: You're a student over here at the University, yes? You need to study harder.
Her: I'm not a student. I'm a singer.
Me: No, you're not. I'm a singer. Singers know all the other singers.
Her: I am! I sing R&B!
Me: Really? Sing something then.
Her: Now?! It's Starbucks!
Me: Yes. now. 3,2,1, go. Go. Sing. I knew it... Professionals like me always know.
Her: I really am!
Me: Nope.
Her: Well... I want to be. I'm going to school for it.
Me: Is there really such a thing as “singer school?”
Her: Yes! It's like a vocational program. Let's be Facebook friends. What's your name?
Me (screaming FUCK on the inside): OK....

I should have told her I don't do Facebook and to give me her number. Lesson learned. I messaged her the next day figuring I'd make the best out of a Facebook close. This is getting long, but I want to show where I had luck in breaking with the text guide.

Me: Hope your performance went well. If you weren't making it up...
Her: It went so-so, I guess... Is your work going well?
Me: You don't have a job?
Her: No, I don't...
Me: That's great. I like having a steady paycheck, but I'd prefer to just sing my songs, you know... Maybe dance a little.
Her: You don't dance! LOL
Me: (radio silence)
Her: Teach me English.
Me: I'm expensive.
Her: We can figure something out.
Me: OK. I'll get you to do something fun for me... (winky face)
Her: I'm expensive.
Me: Ew...
Her: LOL
Me: How about you meet me at that Starbucks again and we can hit a bar afterward.
Her: That's Nanpa!!!
Me: Is it Nanpa if you just admit to having an ulterior motive?
Her: You have an ulterior motive? With me?!
Me: Yep.
Her: LOL. I don't mind, but why not just hit up a girl from the University?
Me: That's a tentative yes, then.
Her: Well, I just broke up with my boyfriend... Console me.
Me: Oh, I'll console you good.
Her: LOL. Let's go!

I thought it was on, but the date fizzled. We went for Mexican, of course. It was going great, but I lost it toward the end. I think my biggest mistake was paying for dinner. I had just gotten that job translating and the company covers meals up to a certain Yen amount per month. I figured I'd throw it on the company card, but she didn't seem impressed. That was exactly when the shit tests started. She accused me of going to Starbucks to prowl for girls. I just ignored it. When I started to touch her hands and forearms, she told me about how guys always get handsy with her. I just ignored it. She started talking about sex and how she doesn't like to date guys she sleeps with right away. I said, “they're not doing it right,” and changed the subject. The date ended with a shitty kiss.

I decided not to text until she did. She texted me a week or so later and said she wanted to go out again. I told her when and where, but she never responded. I still don't believe she can sing.


(18) I have an American FB that I met at my previous job. Half-Chinese, tall, cute face, loves to give head, but loses a point for being overly muscular (6.5). One day I went to her dance studio to watch her new hip-hop class. I thought it might be a good opportunity to get in some approaches on tough girls. I went in my basketball stuff thinking dancers might bite on that.

I showed up a bit late and one of the girls was practicing in the hallway. It turned out she was the girl who works the counter. Hair down to her butt, great body, very slim, big lips, and a smoky voice (9). I watched my friend for a bit and went to the counter to flirt. Opened her by saying, "I'm looking to teach a salsa class," and making up some obviously fake credentials. She seemed really interested so I pulled the number. When my friend finished her class she said she thought that reception girl was really into me.

I texted her later in the evening and she told me the studio was hosting a show that night. She said she'd put my name on the list to get in for free if I promised to drink with her when I got there. I agreed and hit up the show. When I got there, she was no where to be found. Stood around for a bit and she never showed, so I started talking to other girls.

(19) The first girl I talked to was really cute and well dressed, looked super bored (7.5). Opened her with Roosh's "you look like you're having the most fun here." Japanese people sometimes have a hard time with sarcasm. She just said, "No. No, I'm not." I bailed. I saw her talking to a couple of black guys later, so I'd like to blame that one on her jungle fever.....

(20) The second girl I approached was way skinny, but tall, and had a decent face (7). I asked her if she wanted to dance and she said she was too embarrassed. I told her to down her drink and come with me to the dance floor. She refused. Her shitty attitude was a boner-kill. I resolved to work on my club game.

(21) I approached a girl on the dancefloor and just started dancing. She wasn't great, but was in decent shape. She gains 2 points for a bunch of tattoos (7.5). She backed up on me. This was where I learned one of my favorite techniques totally by accident. I stuck my hand under her arm from behind, ran it up the inside of her forearm, and put the back of my hand into her palm. She grabbed it and put my hand on her stomach. We danced for maybe 10 minutes and I went for the kiss. She practically disappeared into thin air.

I waited around for a little bit more when they announced another act in the show. I turned around to look and the girl from the studio was up on the stage with four other girls. They were all dressed in leopard print underwear with cat ears. It was fucking awesome.

She came out about ten minutes later and found me. She was no longer in her cat costume, but she looked good. We grabbed some drinks, downed them, and danced a bit. Looking back I think I did OK, but my confidence was shot from Approach 21. I felt like she was judging me or something. I kept thinking “You fucking suck at dancing, bro. Girl works at a dance studio, dude. She has high standards.”

I pulled her back over to the bar and tried to run my normal game, but it was just too loud. She asked me to explain a joke. She thought I was making fun of her (I kind of was), so she HAD to know. That was another erection-stopper. She told me to wait a sec while she went to find her friends from the show. I waited about 30 minutes and bounced. Fuck that. That one should have been in the bag.

Lesson Learned: Clubs require a waaaayyy different strategy. High level Japanese girls, like high level American girls, will bounce at the first sign of weakness.

Batting Average: .095

[DirectDanger]

@Skotch
Any updates? I was really enjoying reading about all your approaches. Keep up the stories!

[Mersault]

Nice thread Sir. If you keep writing it up, i will keep reading it.

[Checkmat]

Great thread so far. I was really looking forward to Roosh making his way to Asia and destroying Thailand/Japan (can only imagine at least 5 tranny run-ins he would have had) so it was disappointing to read his taking-time-off post.

I had a friend who lived and worked in Japan for a few years. He was a black older guy from the US, and he said he didn't speak a lick of Japanese nor ever learned any. He seemed to feel that as an American, the Japanese will go out of their way to help you get around and figure shit out enough that he never felt he needed to learn Japanese. He said they love to practice English. He even married a Japanese woman who barely speaks English. Does all of that sound right?

[the virgin chronicles]

Had fun skimming through this thread. I can't believe Japan actually has a pickup scene or even a word for pickup. That's fucking hilarious. It just seemed to me like every man there is either living at work or living in an anime fantasy land.

If there's a bunch of people out there spitting bad game, good for them for trying and putting themselves out there. You guys might make fun of them but for all we know they don't even have fucking Mystery Method over there.