[iknowexactly]

+1 good insight into the need for connection and how it seems to almost not exist there, from what you say

[ImmoralPsychology]

Thanks man. I appreciate it. However, it is just my take. I have plenty of friends that disagree with me. Either I am so bad I can only get the weirdos, or what I say has merit but they are such Japanophiles that they actually like all the stuff I hate. Don't get me wrong. There are lots of good things about the place, but for ME, the negatives have started to outweigh the positives by far. But who knows? I may end up missing it and coming back. LOL!

I am currently planning my exit strategy though. I'm outta here!

[Sargon of Akkad]

(06-25-2013 03:10 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Nice thread.

Personally, I'm totally over Japanese girls.

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Good post. Though I don't agree entirely (maybe it's because I've only been here for 3 months), I can definitely see where you're coming from.

For me the following wouldb be my list of pluses and minuses for the average Japanese women.

Positives:

1. They Know How to Dress
Firstly, most Japanese girls like to look sexy when they go out, and high heels, short skirts or anything that'll show off legs are in abundance. In general it can be said that the average Japanese woman takes very good care of her appearance, and the majority have a much better fashion sense than in other countries, such as China or Western countries. IP's statement about nearly feeling pain in your stomach simply because you can't fuck all of them can be very true.

2. Most are Very Feminine
Though you will find some women on the local sports team of their highschool or university who look masculine, the vast majority of women here are very feminine, though sometimes that can devolve into a type of faux-childishness. Whether this is good or bad depends on what you into.

3. Relatively Few Obese Women
Though there are more obese women here than in China, they are definitely fewer than in, say Germany or the US.

4. Most are Very Polite and Considerate
This is really something that applies to the Japanese population at large, which has to be one of the most civilized countries I've encountered.

5. They Age Well
I swear, nowhere but in Asia can I find myself legitimately attracted to a woman well into her forties. I even recall making out with a woman who claimed to be 50 who had the body of a 28 year old. While I'm not specifically into cougars, this definitely leaves more options on the table. Compare that to the way the average German or Central European woman cuts her hair short, puts on extra pounds and starts acting like an androgynous Lady Rambo upon hitting 30.

II. Negatives

1. High Maintenance
While they take care of their appearance, many Japanee women take this notion a bit too far. Most girls here put on WAY too much makeup, to the point where it's really not uncommon to find women who look like living manequins. Aside from that, dyed hair, fake eyelashes and the like are also common sights. Sometimes I'll look at a room full of women and it'll be easier to count girls who actually have a natural hair colour. One of the many things I think makes Asian women so attractive is their hair, but many of the girls here kind of ruin that.

2. Most Don't Realise There's a Fine Line between Sexy and Trashy
Japanese women can vary greatly in terms of style and demeanor. While one subspecies dresses sexy, classy and carries herself elegantly, you'll often find that they share their habitat with a close cousin: the trashy girl. This trashiness is reflected not only in the way they dress, it's in body language, tone of voice, the fake tan, blond hair, blue or purple contacts, and many other characteristics. Personally, I avoid these girls like the plague.

3. Flakiness...OH the Flakiness
Enough has been said about Japanese flakiness in the past, and I don't think I need to elaborate more on it. While it isn't as bad as I'd expected, it's definitely a factor that has to be calculated into planning your weekend.

4. Lots of Airheads
This may be coming from a biased sample, but from a country that practically has its adolescent population all but live in the classroom until university I would expect I higher degree of intellectualism. As IP pointed out, maybe it's an act, or maybe it's the 1950s style sexim that makes women here want to play dumb, who knows. Either way, as is unfortunately also the case in many parts of the world, it seems like a big chunk of Japanese girls here in their 20s have little more than their makeup, their hair and their iPhones on their minds, though admittedly, this is somewhat of an oversimplification.

All in all I suppose you could say the overall quality of women in Japan is pretty good. There are some flaws, and it's far from Punani Paradise, and I don't think they're the by any means the hottest female demographic in Asia, but at the same time I'd say the positives outway the negatives, at least for me.

...Personally, I prefer Korean chics.

[Skotch]

@Immoral

I think your assessment of Japanese girls is pretty dead on. Though, I'd say a Japanese girl's unwillingness to really deal with a guy she can't marry is a merit. It sucks if you want to bang her, but I can admire her more than girls on the cock carousel (if I ever get the motivation to dig out my notebook and finish this thread, I are a good example).

The super hottie money grubbers are a drag, but they're a product of the environment. Few young women + millions of sad sack men + antisocial culture with worse celebrity worship than even America = hot girls be gold diggin'.

I'm well past the honeymoon phase of Japan, and I can still say with confidence that the women here are worlds apart from Americans. Hell, their thin physiques and willingness to blow alone are enough for me.

[Lemmo]

(06-25-2013 03:10 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Personally, I'm totally over Japanese girls. They can't carry a conversation worth shit and bore me to fucking tears. They all attended uni but they are stupid as rocks. (Truly stupid or just pretending to be stupid to be more girly? I don't know, doesn't matter.) There used to be a time when I didn't mind all that much, but now, the idea of suffering through two or three dates of inane chatter is a complete turn off. I'm just so tired of it. Add to all that that they have no decent sense of humor at all and you can't even find an empty but still entertaining conversation. They don't like to express their opinions too much either so you can't really discuss different points of view on a subject well either. They don't get all that personal so conversation is constantly about the most superficial things. "Oh wow, you speak Japanese! It's hot, isn't it? How long you been here? It's hot, isn't it? This food is really good. No, I can't cook. What? No, I don't like to clean either. It's hot, isn't it? This is delicious! What do I do? Watch TV. One of my favorite hobbies is sleeping. Yes, that's right sleeping. It's hot. And listening to music. Yup, I call that one a 'hobby' too. It's hot." Talk to someone here in winter and you can switch "it's hot" for "it's cold". Be prepared. Once you get past the step-by-step getting all each other's data phase, you will have to carry the conversation every step of the way. There's also the fact that even when you get a decent one, the 'flow' is just off. It's really hard to explain this one but after a while, you might start to notice it. The give and take just isn't there in the same way as with western women.

I think girls saying their hobby is sleeping and not being able to cook is a very recent development. I've noticed it too. Part of the appeal of Japanese girls used to be that they had real interests and lived active lives rather than sitting around watching TV like their Western counterparts. And they all seemed to know how to cook and would offer to do so. It was part of their man ensnaring arsenal. Although I still think they are better at these things than Western girls, they have declined a lot in quality over the last 10 years.

[ImmoralPsychology]

@Skotch

I think you're referring to my post about wanting to be your gf before banging, right? Maybe the carousel isn't quite as big for them here, but all (some of them) want is for you to make them your gf and they will bang you no problem. But the thing is, by not wanting to go there, you're a rarity. J guys will say it and get it done with so I don't think they're as pure as some might be led to believe by their demeanor. I've got a few stories about pure-looking girls, not the trashy ones, that would make your head spin. I understand your reluctance. I used to be the same but I realized it doesn't matter anyway so now I don't care. It's just an ASD. No biggie. Then again, I'm not really into ruthlessly chucking them after one bang either so considering I'm likely to see her again anyway, as long as she thinks she's officially my gf, no one gets hurt. If she told me she was a virgin and was saving herself for that special guy though, I wouldn't do it.

BTW, did you reach your 100? What was your batting average overall?


@Lemmo

Perhaps, but I guess it depends on how you define recent. I've been hearing it since I got here nearly 20 years ago.




I'm totally fucked. If I live in Japan and even here I find that very VERY few women over 35 look too old to turn me on, where the hell is there left to go? I think there is no better country where women stay as slim and youthful-looking at that age as in Japan. So I guess I'm gonna have to keep pulling the under-30 girls until I can't anymore and then just move to Thailand and be someone's sugar daddy. LOL

[Skotch]

Just gonna resurrect this thread for a moment. I keep telling myself that I'll dig out my notes and finish this damn thread, but I just don't see it happening now. I'll just post my final stats and hopefully this thread can become a place to talk about Japanese girls. I'm on my third program now and I've been keeping meticulous records.

Stat whoring time:
Time since start of first program: 19 months
Final batting average for first program: .070 (7/100)
Final batting average for second program: .060 (6/100)
Current batting average for third program: .148 (9/61)
Total batting average: .084 (22/261)

Edit: Oh, and just an update from upthread... The girl from the train station waiting room is on rotation now.

[CJ_W]

(06-25-2013 03:10 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Nice thread.



Well, if you're new, for the first couple of years here, you'll find that they're all hot. The truth is, they're not, but you won't notice it for a while because you just got off the boat from a country where 80% of women are TFTF (too fat to fuck). Here, it's like 20%. Just by being thin in and of itself, unless her face is really horrible, you'll think she's a 6.5 overall. If she knows how to make herself up and dresses hot, you'll see her as a 7.5. If she's cute in the face, you'll see an 8 and if she's really pretty, you'll see an 8.5 or 9.

They really do act much more feminine. I don't know if this is a plus or minus because it also equates with childish here.

The flakiness is hard to put up with over time. It gets so fucking tiring. I can't count how many times I've talked to a girl where I KNOW I was the most interesting person she's met in five years and yet, no mail back.


The payoff for all that torture, should you choose to go through with it, is lame sex.

You are 100% right, but this quote right here is what caught me, because I have had that same feeling, Going through all of the B.S. with the J-girls over there doing day and night game and to get bad sex really just killed doing game for me there. So I just stuck to net game for a while and just bang easy girls lol. (takes a bit of time to set up but yeah)

There is one girl that I know (social circle from outside work I was doing) that is pretty much a 9.9 gyaru magazine model chased after by guys everywhere, I was talking to her at an outdoor event (went there for networking purposes) and actually got into a decent convo, get her info etc etc, but got cockblocked so hard that I just didn't care anymore (had another girl on rotation then who was just as hot but not a model for a magazine lol) anyway a few weeks later I saw a picture of her without makeup. . .she looked straight up like a 5. . .
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Also yes, the childish femininity really drove me up the wall at times. its a lot different from a really feminine woman (met a few chinese girls there that fit that bill). . .you can REALLY tell the difference.

I think the best part of the place though is. . .

the logistics. because of the amazing train system and the fact that there are decent bars to take your dates whenever, and the fact that with a bit of effort you can use online stuff to get your fix is what makes the place great. I got tired of the place too (which is why I left. . .) but there are ways to get girls there (not so much the super hot ones. . .only every once in a while) without dealing with putting all of that work in. Yeah when you're young and new to the place it doesn't FEEL like work because you're pretty much high on all the girls being hot, but yeah once you get used to it and deal with the same tired b.s. while day/night gaming it gets to you. . .

I would make a killing on meeting the decent looking white girls though. even though they are pretty much worshiped by Japanese dudes, I don't know why that was really.

oh and you totally forgot about the Japanese dues that cockblock you hard. . .HARD if you go to the really super Japanese clubs. I did pull sometimes though, but I would just speak in English as the clubs are just really too damn loud for me to converse in Japanese.

Overall I think its good for a few years, but then you need to visit other places for a while then come back. I never went to SEA while I was there and I think that if I did I wouldn't have gotten tired of the place so quickly.

Japanese guys are not your friends. BUT the few that DO become your friends (i.e. not cockblock you when you're chatting up a hot girl) are the ones you want to keep. There's is a guy I know in his mid 40's that is the most Charai (THIRSTY) dude I have EVER met, BUT he has some money, and status, so at worst people just ignore it, and at best, he gets laid. I hang out with him because he has hooked me up in the past. . .so while 99.9% of J dudes will pour salt on your game, that .1% are the friends that you need to keep.

[Skotch]

Japanese guys won't just pour salt on your game, they'll try blow you the fuck out if they can. Even guys you thought were your friends. I went out with some buddies to a bar like a month ago and the Japanese guy in the group shit on me. I pointed out a girl I was interested in and went to make a move. He came over after a bit and just stood there like a creeper. I gave him a 'get the fuck out of here' stare. He turned to the girl and said, "今すんごいいやらしい目してた。アナタ、可愛くて口説きたいってスコッチさっきゆうてた。" (Skotch just gave me a really perverse look. A little bit ago he said you're cute and that he wants to pick you up.) I said, "まぁ、否めない。" (I guess I can't deny it.) She walked away. I wanted to deck him.

When I first came to Japan I hated foreigners who only hung out with other foreigners, but now I fully understand.

[memcpy]

(08-06-2013 09:16 AM)Skotch Wrote:  

Japanese guys won't just pour salt on your game, they'll try blow you the fuck out if they can. Even guys you thought were your friends. I went out with some buddies to a bar like a month ago and the Japanese guy in the group shit on me. I pointed out a girl I was interested in and went to make a move. He came over after a bit and just stood there like a creeper. I gave him a 'get the fuck out of here' stare. He turned to the girl and said, "今すんごいいやらしい目してた。アナタ、可愛くて口説きたいってスコッチさっきゆうてた。" (Skotch just gave me a really perverse look. A little bit ago he said you're cute and that he wants to pick you up.) I said, "まぁ、否めない。" (I guess I can't deny it.) She walked away. I wanted to deck him.

When I first came to Japan I hated foreigners who only hung out with other foreigners, but now I fully understand.

I had a similar experience, made some japanese friends at the bar. Then I soon as I talk to girls they swoop in and Hijack the girls. Leaving me out. Was on the sofa making out with a girl , and they would not fuck off. They keep saying "hey , lets go dance!" "Hey, lets go dance!" Like 10 mins of repeating the same thing because I had a girl and was making out with her. I gave them the 'fuck off i'm busy' eyes, but they didnt get the hint. They were so pathetic I had to finally just give up and leave.

Another time at the club, I was making out with a girl and I felt someone trying to pull my arm off of her. They get so jealous when they see you get with there girls. Especially the hot ones. I'm surprised I didn't knocked over the head with a beer bottle that night.

If i go to the club, I have to have anti-friend making game. Because most of the time i'm the only foreigner there. So naturally people want to ask me where i'm from. I have to resist the urge to make friends with them because I know I will be cockblocked later by them.

[Laner]

Wow. I have never experienced anything like what you guys are describing. Haha, oh man.

I have been blocked by her friends though. Just another day in the game.....

One time I was at Womb in Tokyo up at the top floor lounge and this ridiculously hot girl at the bar was eying me so I moved in. She was so excited but then this guy rolls up. He was her boyfriend and he says "my girlfriend has never kissed a big, tall white guy before" so I pull her up for a big dramatic kiss. She was so light I had her right off her feet.

When I put her back on her stool she just clapped her hands together and wide eyed me and her boyfriend ended up buying us a few rounds of tequila.

This other night I was cockblocked by a friend of a friend, who was from England. We were in Shibuya and I am talking with this girl who was a total smokeshow, and I could tell was dirty. I had her all warmed up but left for a minute to see what $1000 of cigarettes looked like stuffed into a locker (it was after the big earthquake and smokes were rationed, and a buddy had a shady connection). When I came back the English guy was all over her. She ended up giving him the clap (twice), then he got her pregnant later down the line.

[ImmoralPsychology]

I wonder if Tokyo and Osaka guys are different? I've had guys cockblock me so often it's not funny.

[Global_Cocksman]

How old is too old in Japan? I mean is it common to see foreign guys in their 30 or 40s pulling 18-25 year old J women? Just wondering. I'm in my mid-20s and I already feel like I'll be too old in a few years.

I've read that the modern Japanese woman has become extremely picky in recent years thanks to Westernization, and obviously things aren't as easy as they were 10 or 20 years ago.

[ImmoralPsychology]

I don't know. Depends on the guy, I guess. I wouldn't say it's common but you see it sometimes. You'll have to work harder for it the older you get, of course, and it'll happen less often with age, but it can be done. My friend who is nearly 45 banged a cute 23-yr-old last week. I banged an 18-yr-old when I was 35 and dated a 25-yr-old when I was 41. If you're in your mid-20s, you're just starting the ride. Now you can date from 18 to around your age. When you're 32, the floor will still be 18 or maybe 20, up to around your age. Late 20s and early 30s is the perfect age to be here because age difference is not frowned upon as much as the west.

[Skotch]

I've been doing ok. Had a successful date with an 18 year old girl the other night, but I have noticed lately that girls sort of get a little turned off when I mention my age. I've been teasing them a little when they ask (they always do... maybe I look old?)

Here's an example dialog if anyone wants to steal it.

Girl: 何歳？ (how old are you?)
Me: え〜、失礼やろう… (wow, that's rude...)
Girl: なんでなんで？ (why why?)
Me: そりゃ男には聞きません！ (you don't ask boys that! The 'wa' there implies that it's ok to ask girls.)
Girl: 嘘ぉ〜！ (no waaay!)
Me: ほな、何歳なん？ (so, how old are you?)

I've been getting a lot of mileage out of that.

[ImmoralPsychology]

How old are you Skotch?

When a girl asks "nansai?", my copyrighted response is "tensai".

[iamdegaussed]

This thread has been amazing. Visited Japan last year for two and a half weeks, school thing (Yokohama) and fell in love with the place. Language skills were nonexistent but at a pub with my friends in Tokyo I asked some broad when her boyfriend was inside 'ogenki desuka' and her eyes lit up and she answered. It was charming.

I want to go back pretty bad, and my school has an influx of Japanese students each year that I help out with and have been practicing the language as much as possible. I know there will be five J-girls visiting my campus next week, and it's a lot easier with them being in my element. Hoping that they're cute!

Anyway, thanks for everything you've posted, it's all been really helpful. Not just skotch, either, all you guys.

[Skotch]

@Immoral. I'm only 26, but I've been going after college freshmen. Like I said, I had a successful date the other night, but I get some looks and sometimes the girls switch to super keigo when they find out my age.



OK. So, I never got around to it, but I figured out a good routine for the clubs in Osaka around the 70-90 range in my first 100 approaches. I got a private message asking to explain the trick, so I figured I'd throw it in the thread.

Fashion is a must. Here are some of my go-to outfits in decreasing order of flamboyance (Japanese girls expect foreigners to be hade (showy and loud), so I give them what they want):

Top: White shirt with a black tie → red cardigan → navy blue jacket with wooden buttons and dramatic lapels.
Bottom: Light blue jeans. White sneakers.

Top: White tee → pink gingham shirt w/sleeves rolled sloppily past elbows. Big Diesel watch.
Bottom: Black shorts → bright red leather belt. Black sneakers with red accents.

Top: Grey v-neck wool sweater. Understated watch with black band flipped around backwards.
Bottom: Dark jeans → black leather belt. Leather beach sandals.

I've had a lot of luck with outfits like these. Japanese girls are obsessed with fashion. They will notice. Maybe even more so than American women.

So here was my ritual. Feel free to critique.
1) A wing is a must. Pregame with him and get a good base buzz going, but don't get too drunk. Being hammered can only hurt your chances. We liked to grab the super cheap '1-Cup' sake cups from the convenience store and drink them on the train. If you want to make everyone in your train car giggle, say "よく働いた後のお酒は美味いわぁ" (Booze after a hard day's work tastes so gooood) like a true salary man.
2) Hit the club early and scope things out. Sometimes there are cute girls hanging out. If there's girls, get in a few friendly approaches so you have something in your pocket. You're not trying to pull just yet, so chill.
3) Leave. Hit another bar, talk to girls on the street, do something until 11 or 12 when the club fills up with girls who missed their train or "missed their train." You're going for the latter.
4) Go back and walk in like you own the shit. Hit the bar first and get a manly drink. I do whiskey on the rocks (this isn't as effective at Pure because you have your stupid little cup and no one can see what you're drinking anyway). Chill at the bar with your wing and scope out the situation. Pick a few targets, but don't be conspicuous. The best are obviously pairs of girls. Groups are OK too, but only if there are no men. Japanese dudes are, as we've established upthread, a nightmare.
5) Find a group of foreigners and make friends. If there aren't any, Japanese people will do in a pinch, but foreigners are less likely up fuck up your game later. I don't know that this is necessary, but I think it serves as social proof.
6) Start moving on one of your targets using the group of foreigners as your home base of operations. If she's dancing or standing by herself, simply get somewhere where she can see you and beckon her over (I use the stupid gay-wave style that Japanese people like). It's alpha-like and in my experience they come over pretty willingly. Your wing should handle her friend. Skip to step 8. If she's in a group, approach them and greet them in English.
7) Get greetings out of the way. Tell the girl "let's dance." I've found that even hot girls get flattered because Japanese guys don't do that. Don't pull her to the dance floor immediately. Instead, make friendly with the group for a few seconds. Pick the friend you think is most likely to cockblock you (read, the fattest one) and whisper to her that you think her friend is cute and ask her some questions. Tell her you need information. Obviously you want to make it seem like you have a cute little crush on her. Your wing should be working his target (or just preoccupying some of her friends if he's a super nice guy). Take her to the dance floor. Lead her by her hand or by the small of her back.
8) Dance just long enough to get her relaxed. Move behind her. Put your non-dominant hand on her hip and slide your dominant hand along the underside of her arm so her palm is on the back of your hand... it's difficult to describe. This is my favorite move. She should lock her fingers with yours and maybe cream herself a little. Dance for a bit and say funny stuff in her ear. I'm a terrible dancer, so the trick with me was to dance long enough to get her vag all tingly, but not long enough for her to realize I suck.
9) Tell her you're hot and want to grab a drink. If she doesn't want to join you, you likely have a bad prospect on your hands. Go back to step 6 with a new target. If she goes with you, you're probably in. Get tequila. The little ritual is fun and you can tease her about being a bad girl. If she seems eager to get to her friend or her group, get tequila for them too. You're part of her group now. At the club, you should have drink tickets. Let her use her own damn tickets. At Pure, it's all-you-can-drink, so just go for it.
10) Try to isolate. Be persistent, but not clingy. If more trips to the dance floor are necessary, do it. Kiss her. If you can't isolate (it's a little bit hard at Pure), kiss her neck or cheek when you're standing behind her. Talk in her ear a lot.
11) If all goes well, she should be clinging to you. I like to grab a hightop seat and have her dance on me. If your wing is doing his job, he should have the friend on lock as well. Try to get her to a hotel. You can try to pull to a karaoke room if that doesn't work, but make sure they don't have cameras. I actually asked one time and the stupid girl behind the counter didn't seem to realize what was about to happen.
12) Pound it.

In about 20 approaches and 5 nights out, I pulled 4 girls from Club Pure, 2 of whom I banged. I pulled another from Giraffe on a different night, but that was at a far later date.



I'll share my two favorite stories:

One night was the perfect execution of this routine. I was teamed up with a super-jacked military dude I'd met the night before. He was up from Okinawa and made an interesting partner. I'm 6'4" and about 180-190, and he looks like a football star at 6'ish and maybe 230 or so. We found a pair of really hot girls, one of whom said she loved "ripped military boys."

My girl was thin with a nice round butt, wearing a white tee with tight jeans and ridiculously high heels (easily an 8). She had her hair in a big dango (a bun on the very top of the head), which is my favorite hairstyle for Japanese girls. His girl was short and very thin, but with nice hips and a decent sized chest. She had a young, beautiful face and her hair was untied, flowing down past where her cutoff shorts ended (9.5+, no doubt).

Anyway, we got the girls outside and his girl is pushing for us to go to a hotel. I then have the shocking realization that I have pulled two tremendously whorey club girls and have no protection (not fearless raw-dogger-ing that). I tell the girls that I have to go back to the club because "my friend's stuff is in my locker and I have to get it back to him." I run to the convenience store, buy some condoms, unbox them, split them up so my new army buddy has some, and head back. I pick my girl up and start kissing her. He is sitting on a park bench looking sheepish with his girl clinging to his bicep.

His girl leads us to 3 or 4 hotels, all of which are full (I start to get the feeling that she's done this a few times before). We end up at a karaoke place. I get us set up in separate rooms and confirm that they have no cameras. I don't think the idiot girl behind the counter understood what I was about to do. I slipped dude his share of the condoms and headed up to my room for the score.

When our time was up, we headed back down. Dude was sitting on a couch near the front counter and his girl was clinging to his arm as before. The girl was so hot that I was almost more excited about his sex than my own. I asked him how it was and he said "not so good." He gave me back the condoms, hung his head and said "nothing happened." I almost felt contempt for him.



The other night was an utter shame, but kind of funny in retrospect. This was the last time I did the routine and I followed it to the letter. Unfortunately, my pregame that day had been a little bit much...

A friend was visiting from Hiroshima and we'd been pounding beers and playing Halo all day. Then when I made friends with the group of foreigners like I was supposed to, a girl wanted me to try her awesome cocktail. I, thinking I'd be funny, pounded the whole thing. She asked for my drink in return, but I told her "this is whiskey, it's not for girls" and pounded that too... I think you can see where this is going.

I found a really sexy girl in a big group. She was 27, banging body, white skirt and huge pin heels. She had jet-black hair down to her back and her makeup was surprisingly light for a Japanese girl (8.5). I won over her fat friend, took her to the dance floor for some fun times, held her hand, kissed her neck, said some stuff in her ear... everything was going great. Then I got to the tequila part of the routine and I don't remember much of anything. I have a vague recollection of throwing up outside the club, eating a mint and going back in.

I woke up around 5 in the morning inside my apartment. The girl was sitting at the foot of my bed playing Angry Birds or some shit on my tablet. I said something and she exploded. "折角ここまで来たのに、お前がつぶれた！格好悪過ぎやろう?こんなデカい外人がこんなに弱いとはなっ！うわぁ。。。あたし始発で帰るっ！”　（I came all this way and YOU black out! You're a loser! I never would have thought such a huge foreigner couldn't handle his liquor! Oooohh... I'm taking the first train home!) I tried to calm her down. I grabbed her by the small of her back and pulled her in for a kiss, but she wasn't having any of that.

I asked her if I could get her contact info. She said, ”なんでメアド教えなアカンわけ？” (why should I have to do that?). I will never forget how sexy she looked as she put on her monster high heels and clomped down the hallway of my apartment building.

The funny thing is, I still have no idea how we got back. It was 4 or 5 in the morning and no trains were running. My apartment at the time was about an hour from downtown Osaka by taxi and I had all my money in my wallet still. We probably got a ride from someone, but I like to think that she wanted me to bang her so bad that she forked out like 100 bucks for a cab ride.



I'm heading out to the bars. Wish me luck.

[memcpy]

Skotch , how do you study Japanese? you seem to have a lot of good shit to pull out of you're ass when you speak to these girls.

I watch TV, stumble through and article, read Nanpa blogs, etc.

[Felix88]

I guess I have different view on keigo than you since I'm asian, I just think they mean respect since you're older than them, personally I find that hot and doesn't mean shit, 'keien' where they're faking respect is a different story though.

[ImmoralPsychology]

By the way, guys, if you think that your (real, not perceived) age may have an effect on your results, the safest way out of that is to say guess when they ask. Whatever they guess, go with it. I've learned my lesson. I let them guess now. There are times I'll just blurt it out anyway if I'm not concerned with her walking away because of it but most of the time, I just go with their guess. I'll tell them the truth after the deed has been done and she'll forgive me.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Most girls tend to guess my age correctly, but I'm not sure if they're guessing down or not.

[booshala]

Haha great story about passing out on the girl. Glad you have a good sense of humor about it, Skotch. I had way too many instances where that shut happened when I lived in Korea. Just chalk it up to the game, neh?

[Skotch]

@memcpy. I stopped studying last year after I got JLPTN1. When I first started, I used Heisig Program 1&3 and just got all the fucking Kanji out of the way first. After that I would watch movies in Japanese with Japanese subs. Sometimes I'd watch 3 or 4 a day. Now that I'm in graduate school, they make me do everything in Japanese anyway, so I get a lot of natural exposure.



Just a quick update... Murphy's Law or Moore's Law or somebody's law struck me this week. After posting about Japanese club game, I got goose-egged in my first Kyoto club outing. I was on a hot streak, but in the last five days or so I've spiraled out of control. Here's what all has happened so you guys know what not to do:

On Friday, I went out drinking by myself. Got 3 seemingly solid leads and a makeout. Not so bad.

On Saturday I was riding high, so I went with my wing to Club World. We scoped it out, left and hit up a couple of bars as per my own guide. Met some really skanky/hot girls at a pub and got a conversation going. They were taking pictures and asking a lot of personal shit, but then they just evaporated. We'd see them at the club later...

We went back to the club at 11:30. I got blown out like five times before I spotted the best looking girl in the whole place standing a little bit behind the bar smoking a cigarette. Beautiful face, long hair, perfect body, wearing a silky dress that stopped at mid-thigh (easily 9.5+, the highest my scale goes). I decided I had to give it a shot, so I went up and said, "なんでこんなとこで隠れてんの？” (why are you over here hiding?) I grabbed her cigarette and took a drag (I don't even smoke, so I don't know what the fuck I was doing). She laughed and put her hand on my stomach and we started talking.

After a bit, we were basically groping each other. She kept touching my chest and face when she talked. I put my arm around her and went down to the lower area bar for a round of Jager shots. She paid for herself; a good sign. One of her friends who had been dancing bellied up with us, so I called my buddy over. She was ugly as balls and he basically snubbed her. He seemed angry that I'd make him wing that...

Girl was all over me, but she absolutely refused to dance. She told me she was a regular at World and didn't want to look charai. For some fucking reason I was dead-set on dancing and that would start a chain of horribly embarrassing n00b mistakes. I basically begged her to dance. She grabbed my hand and took me upstairs to have tequila with her friends. We did another round and I started teasing her about her college. Things seemed to be going well, but she pointed to my wing and said, "友達拗ねてるよ…彼の所に行ってあげて。” (Your friend is pouting. Go be with him.)

I should have taken the hint and met up with her later, but I hung around like a pathetic little puppy. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. After a while, I pulled her to a quieter area and went for a kiss. Those skanky girls from the bar before came by and poked me in the stomach. Girl gave me a little peck, but again said she didn't want to be charai. I told her that I don't get refused often and that it was OK because I'm charai enough for the both of us. I don't know where the fuck that came from, but it gives me goosebumps now. She said she'd call me later. My friend was still being a little pouty, so we bounced. I never heard from her again.

The next bar/club we went to was a string of hideous blowouts, including one where a girl went to the dancefloor with me and then immediately turned around and went back to her seat. I must've been putting off some n00b stink or something. My buddy and I called it a night.

On Sunday, the best-looking girl in my rotation came over. We cooked pasta together and got into bed. But when it came time to do the deed she suddenly had to leave. She won't text me back.

On Monday, I was supposed to meet with the number 2 girl in my rotation. That got cancelled and communications have completely stopped.

Cut to today. I had a lunch date and a dinner date set up with two of the girls from Friday. The first girl that showed up was not at all what I remembered. Either I was wasted as shit the night we met, or she had gained 15 pounds in 4 days. She was definitely DTF, very handsy and giggly, but I couldn't bring myself to take her to my place. I figured I'd do better in round 2. However, the girl that showed up for round 2 was also not who I remembered. This girl had aged 15 years in 4 days. She also smelled a little bit. I took her to eat and then steered her back in the direction of the station. She seemed surprised that the night was over and stood around for like 20 minutes trying to keep the conversation going. I decided to cut my losses and head out.

It was only 9:15 (I'd met up with the second girl at 8...lolz), so I decided to do some approaches. I hit up a group of 3 really gyaru-y girls. It was going great. One was a Kansai Gaidai student, so we had something in common. Then for some reason I tried to bail. The skankiest one asked me another question. I answered and tried to bail again. She saved me one more time. My brain was telling me that I had to fight to stay. They wanted me there, I should stand tall and make them all ruin their panties. I was at home with no numbers like 10 minutes later.

This shit could get out of control in a hurry. I have one of my remaining girls coming over tomorrow. If that shit doesn't go well, I'ma need a full on intervention. Wish me luck, chaps.

[Laner]

We have all been there. Its amazing how things can get so desperately out of control so quickly. And if thats not enough you start pouring a bunch of fuel on the flames and then start blowing on them.

Self sabotage is real.